Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 04:33 PM

'Anyone else care to take a gratuitous parting shot?'

You mean like,'And that makes you part of the problem.'

Irish you're right, I don't like having the door kicked open and someone come in both guns blazing,especially when, at that point, I had no idea what the person was talking about. I tend to have this urge to want to fire back under such circumstances. After some brief research I finally figured out what it was all about, the event had already taken place, so there's not a whole lot to be done, short of burning one's De Dannan records, which apparently our friend is not prepared to do. After all this I find I'm part of some problem or other, this I can't be bothered trying to figure out...must be from the saying, if you're not part of the answer etc...

Cheers,
Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Wolfgang
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 06:54 AM

Frankie goes to Washington

Article from the Galway Advertiser with a bit more of information and some quotes by F. Gavin.

My God, I. Paisley and G. Adams will also be among those listening.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Ernest
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 07:12 AM

Your God was among the listeners, Wolfgang?

I never knew Sceptics had a god... St. Agnos perhaps?

Regards
Ernest (getting his coat)

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:30 AM

A quote from the man himself, could not have been put better:

"We are there to represent our own culture and Irish traditions and that is what we will do to the best of our abilities."

What better reason could anyone offer who plays traditional music.

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Roberto
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 01:02 PM

Before this thread, I did love Frankie Gavin's music and I didn't like Bush politics. After this thread, I do love Frankie Gavin's music and I don't like Bush politics. R

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 04:36 PM

and I still love the Dé Danann line up with Dolores Keane and their first record

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: irishenglish
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 04:44 PM

Thanks for the link to the Galway paper, and as I suggested, Frankie did clearly think about what he was doing, whether one agrees with him or not.

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Wolfgang
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:39 AM

Ernest and Roberto,

you've made me laugh out loud.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Roberto
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 11:41 AM

Dear Wolfgang, I'd like to know what made you laugh, and as it seems you didn't express your opinion about the issue discussed in this thread, I'd also like to know it, you could be convincing, or maybe you would help us enlarging the area of laughing people. R

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 03:16 PM

Explaining humour is not really feasible - but, whether it was meant to be or not, that line of Roberto came across as dryly humorous, largely by virtue of the way the words were neatly balanced, and also by the way it put the argument in this thread into perspective.

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Apr 08 - 08:32 AM

Roberto,

McGrath has nailed it. As for my opinion, I completely agree with your post.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Roberto
Date: 09 Apr 08 - 12:56 PM

Thanks, Wolfgang. That's right. I was in a fighting mood. R

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Fortunato
Date: 09 Apr 08 - 04:07 PM

As Louie DePalma said in the episode of Taxi where Jim has torched Louie apartment: "...there is a number". A number just high enough to assuage my feelings of political resentment and not so high as to price me out of the gig. Oh and a few other things.

Cash
2 Sets: 45 on 15 off
I don't carry anything bigger than my guitar
Jenna cannot sing...
Dick leaves his gun at home

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Apr 08 - 07:48 PM

A number just high enough to assuage my feelings of political resentment...

While I realize that this remark is probably tongue-in-cheek, it is nevertheless a sad statement.

Re-reading this thread, the following came to mind:
Frankie Gavin is quoted as saying "traditional Irish music and foreign policy should not mix and have no connection."

How many here would say that international sports (as in Olympic Games) and foreign policy should not mix and have no connection? The Chinese government's human rights abuses are just as egregious as the Bush regime's, if not marginally more so. Should they be ignored by athletes, or should the China Olympics be boycotted as a political statement?

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Barry Finn
Date: 10 Apr 08 - 01:42 AM

Is it Frankie's fault that after trying all these yrs to get an invite from the White House, it finally comes from an asshole that doesn't deserve to be there.

Barry

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Ernest
Date: 10 Apr 08 - 02:00 AM

Athletes taking part in the Olympic games always are (at least formally) amateurs and claim to be in for idealistic reasons.

Professional musicians on the other hand have to make a living by playing for various audiences (whose political opinions they seldom know).

Someone who claims to be into something for "higher" reasons than money has to fulfil higher standards than someone earning his money IMHO.

Regards
Ernest

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: GUEST,Chicken Charlie
Date: 10 Apr 08 - 10:28 AM

McGrath had a point: we should review the program before passing judgment. Perhaps the lad intends/intended to perform the smash-hit single, "If You're Happy and You Know It, Bomb Iraq."

Seriously, I tend to want to live life as a whole person. I can't lay aside deep beliefs in any category--political, personal, religious, whatever--and "just perform," or "just attend," or "just whatever." My sympathies are with the boycotters of the world. Maybe they can't topple the tyrants. Maybe the tyrants won't even feel bad because they're being boycotted. But at least the tyrants will know that somewhere in the world there are people who know that their shit stinks too.

CC

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: michaelr
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 07:56 PM

My point exactly, Charlie. Not standing up to injustice, or kowtowing to tyrants, makes one guilty of aiding and abetting.

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: GUEST,crusty4rich
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 08:46 PM

You are complaining that some guy played a gig for the U.S President yes? Correct me if Im wrong but wasn't he voted in by a majority of adults in his country? So if more than 50% of his nation surely support him whats so wrong with one musician playing for him?

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: michaelr
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 09:08 PM

Maybe if you read the thread...

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Elmore
Date: 30 May 15 - 10:43 PM

Always heard he was an a-hole, but saw him play The Burren in Somerville, Ma. tonight, and he is a great fiddler, Always was.

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 31 May 15 - 12:06 AM

I just love these Mudzombie threads!

Was being 'honored' by GWB any different? Are we even remotely familiar with the number of artists who cheerily posed with Bush-the-Younger at their Kennedy Center Honors? If not, you'ns have a powerful lot of hate and and "two-by-fouring" to catch up on here. Many, if not most, are already dead and you're not going to live forever either. Better get busy.

2001: Julie Andrews, Van Cliburn, Quincy Jones, Jack Nicholson, and Luciano Pavarotti
2002: James Earl Jones, James Levine, Chita Rivera, Paul Simon, and Elizabeth Taylor
2003: James Brown, Carol Burnett, Loretta Lynn, Mike Nichols, and Itzhak Perlman
2004: Warren Beatty, Ossie Davis & Ruby Dee, Elton John, Joan Sutherland, and John Williams
2005: Tony Bennett, Suzanne Farrell, Julie Harris, Robert Redford, and Tina Turner
2006: Zubin Mehta, Dolly Parton, Smokey Robinson, Steven Spielberg, and Andrew Lloyd Webber
2007: Leon Fleisher, Steve Martin, Diana Ross, Martin Scorsese, and Brian Wilson
2008: Morgan Freeman, George Jones, Barbra Streisand, Twyla Tharp, and The Who (Pete Townshend & Roger Daltrey)
2009(?): Mel Brooks, Dave Brubeck, Grace Bumbry, Robert De Niro, and Bruce Springsteen

And I'm thinking R. Reagan is a pretty sure bet on Mudcat so consider:
Katherine Dunham, Elia Kazan, Frank Sinatra and James Stewart stood together on one stage in 1983.

As you were.

Subject: RE: Frankie Gavin plays for George Bush
From: Elmore
Date: 31 May 15 - 12:07 AM

Please ignore my previous post. It was stupid.