BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes

Subject: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 12:25 PM

John Cansius (pronounced Kansas) used radio equipment pie pans and hot dogs to develop a cancer cure.

THis is not merely the cancer cure du jour but the most straight forward and safe means to cure cancer with no side effects from therapy.

Its 2 years until human trials as the nano receptor/metal particles are being refined.

What did you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 12:38 PM

Got any links to info on this?

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 12:41 PM

The inventor is not liekly to see his invention fully utilized since he has a serious lymphoma.

This episode aired last night on CBS 60 minutes.




It may have been pre empted in your area by the Billy Graham Tribulationathon.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:15 PM

Leslie Stahl did the interview.

btw Leslie is a founding member of wowwowwow.com a new website for and about women

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:16 PM

Saw that segment. Hope that this is a project that really can save lives in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:18 PM

Here is a link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/10/60minutes/main4006951.shtml?source=RSSattr=Health_4006951

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:34 PM

Absolutely astonishing and hope-inspiring! Thanks Donuel for the info and thanks Sins for the link.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:38 PM

thanks Sinsull,

I am link challenged.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:43 PM

Just like Bones said in the Star Trek movie "My GOD man you can't leave Chekov in the hands of their savage nuclear medicine!"

We always knew that once we found the right frequency. progress would be made.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:45 PM

Most interesting.

Another approach they are examining is the idea that a cancer cell may be an inflammation of some sort; that thought opens a wide new avenue.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 01:49 PM

Ebbie I spoke of the inflammation theory of cancer exactly 40 years ago...

to which the response was "bad jokes are irritating, do you propose that they cause cancer?"

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 02:39 PM

Wow, this is inspiring!

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 03:03 PM

Donuel, on which 40-year-old thread is that proposal? :)

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Tweed
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 03:18 PM

This is the same guy that found he could burn salt water using radio waves while trying to find the cure isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 03:23 PM

Not everything happens on a thread Ebbie.

My conversation about cander and inflamation took place during a barbecue on the shore of Lake Cayuga in the summer of 1968 when we rented the Della Joyo house on the lake.

Our next door neighbor was Rod Serling, whose 2 Irish Setters were always on hand for a hand out.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 03:55 PM

:)

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 04:17 PM

Pedant note: the CBS reports spell the guy's name "Kanzius."

He has been working on his "theory" for some time, and has gotten some interest from a number of researchers. Quite probably the idea has popped back up in the news due to an agreement by a Houston Cancer Research group to do a study and to seriously try to advance the potential of what's been done.

His latest "advance" was a demonstration that carbon nanotubes could be "blown up by heating" using his rado wave machine. (An impressive demonstration perhaps, but not unexpected.)

There remains the problem of placing "nanotubes" (or other conductive/resistive material) in the cancer cells while excluding them from other "innocent tissues" - and determination of whether it's less risky to have appropriate "receptor" materials in the body than to use other treatments.

Down to its basics, the proposed method is much like X-Ray therapies but at somewhat lower frequencies. Recent articles don't comment on where Kanzius marks the division between X-Ray, nanowave, microwave, and "radio wave" frequencies and energies, but the effect on his test nanotubes would imply very short wavelengths - more like advanced radar than radio(?).

Much research is still needed before the method will - if ever - be useful.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 05:20 PM

I thought of you when I watched the show John,
also I meant to spell cancer - not cander or candor.

yes finding the right combination of receptors that are bound to metallic nano particles (even gold dust works) that then find and are "absorbed" into the cancer cell is the work being done now.

What was personally encouraging was that a promising yet hair brained idea came from someone outside the established academia or lab. I've only had about 6 hairbrained ideas that would actually work. Only 1 of which is being used by a million people or more today.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 06:00 PM

The idea has been around for some time. The credit to Kanzius is that he's kept "advocating" for his particular version.

A "small" (no pun intended) problem that's becoming more generally recognized is that nano materials can have very different biological effects than we're used to for "bulk" versions of the same materials - even including as bulk colloidal materials (gold etc). It can't be assumed that nano versions of materials that have been used safely in common forms remain "safe" in nano form, and the learning about this effect is still pretty infant(ile).

And it remains necessary to find ways to deliver the proper "receptor" materials in the right places, without leaving bits around elsewhere.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Alice
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 06:11 PM

Saw that last night.
Very uplifting.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Zen
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 07:24 PM

As JohnInKansas correctly says, heating of various types of nanoparticles using external energy sources, e.g radio-frequencies, magnetic fields (magnetic fluid hyperthermia, interstitial heating), ultrasound, etc. for the thermoablation of many types of tumours is quite a large field of research these days and some products, e.g. from Magforce Nanotechnologies have already reached the market. This is my current professional field of work, especially concerning the safety aspects of any such targeted nanoparticles, and what their effects in the body are. As John also correctly states, the properties of materials at the nanoscale is quite different from bulk materials and for a great number of the novel nanoparticles, risks have to been assessed before any treatments can go through the regulatory process and become widely available. So yes... a very exciting prospect indeed but still some years to go.

Zen

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: GUEST,Keinstein
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 03:40 AM

Terahertz radiation is found in the electromagnetic spectrum between the microwave region (where satellite dishes and mobile phones work) and infra-red light, but ways to generate detect and analyse terahertz radiation are not as advanced as other imaging techniques.


The big problem in using this band for direct treatment of cancers is that it has not yet been demonstrated to have any influence, for better or worse, on tissues below the intensity at which burns due to absorption of very high levels of RF occur (as happens with all radio waves). It is the up-and-coming technology for imaging, though, having better resolution than ultrasound without the side- effects of X-ray.

I'd be mildly sceptical about the report- RF treatment has been experimented with since the 1900s, electrical treatment since the 1800s, and magnets long before that, without any spectacular breakthroughs.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Zen
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 04:49 AM

There is a strong tendancy nowadays to look at low-frequency or "softer" energy sources such as laser or near-infrared light (photodynamic therapy), ultrasound and magnetic fields, both for imaging and treatment (sometimes combined in "theranostic" treatments), due to the reduced damage to tissues. This may often be combined with the use of magnetic, metallic, semi-metallic or functionalised nanoparticles to achieve local heating, higher-resolution imaging, activation of drug release, directed movement within the body or various other functions. The trend, in general, is towards less invasive and highly targeted treatments, e.g. localised rather than systematic release of cytotoxic drugs. The potential reduction in the length of hospitalization and improved prognosis is likely to offset the (initially at least) higher cost of the treatments.

Zen

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 02:50 PM

I've only had about 6 hairbrained ideas that would actually work. Only 1 of which is being used by a million people or more today. -Donuel

Nice teaser! OK, let us know what it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 06:18 PM

"properties of materials at the nanoscale is quite different from bulk materials "

Wonderul novel by the guy who wrote 'Andronema Strain' and others, called 'Prey' - supposedly on way to movieland...

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Zen
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 06:55 PM

Yes... Michael Crichton. Good novel... science is somewhat futuristic though and got a lot of people aired up and the Royal Society running all over the place to reassure the public that self-replicating Prey-type "nanobots" would not take over the world imminently. I use the example a lot in teaching about nanotechnology and risk.

Zen

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 09:25 AM

Using salt water as a fuel (YouTube)

If the same device can burn salt water and cure cancer it may also stop wars, feed the hungry, and counteract global warming. If something sounds too good to be true it may not be true after all.

However, the cancer cure claim is, relatively, much more likely to be true than the new fuel claim though still not very likely on an absolute scale. I'm looking forward without high hopes to see articles presenting clinical data. Before that happens we can only speculate.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Cancer cure on 60 minutes
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 09:26 AM

Souds a bit like this:

http://www.thefinchleyclinic.co.uk/nojavascript/therapies/ect/what.htm