BS: And for VP?????

Subject: BS: And for VP?????
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 May 08 - 11:34 AM

All the pundits say that Clinton is out because the two of them carry too much baggage plus Bill is a loose cannon who will try to upstage President Obama. So who will it be? And why does no one (among the "experts")mention Al Gore?

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Bobert
Date: 11 May 08 - 11:50 AM

Al Gore wouldn't take another 'round as VP...

Ohio's Governor, Ted Strictland, is being talked about as someone who, as a strong Clinton supporter, might be attractive to Obama in terms of gettin' the Clinton's to play nice and also giving Obama a leg uip on Ohio, perhaps western Pennstylvania to go with Philly and as a pure political choice, might be helpfull???

I still like Bill Richardson or Mark Warner..,.

B~

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Amos
Date: 11 May 08 - 01:11 PM

I think Bill Richardson would make a fine Veep.

There are many others on the long list about whom I know very little.

A

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: mg
Date: 11 May 08 - 01:58 PM

I liked what I saw of Chris Dodd this morning. Lots o people like Sibelius..I know nothing about her but a woman would be good...

I want edwards for attorney general, although ti sounds like he is arguing for a new anti-poverty cabinet post...not a bad idea...General Honore for FEMA or homeland security...I like Maria Cantwell..Richardson ..I don't think a good match for Obama just style-wise..they don't match. Defense? He needs a very very good one who he will listen to. Health???

mg

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 11 May 08 - 02:19 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess (and it is only that) he might pick a woman, to unify the party and attempt to appease the Clinton bloc.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 11 May 08 - 02:20 PM

But it won't be Hillary. :)

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Amos
Date: 11 May 08 - 02:35 PM

I think there's no chance at all he would make her the offer.


A

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 11 May 08 - 02:38 PM

Which is what I just said.

I said I'm *guessing* he *might* nominate a woman, but it wouldn't be Hillary Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 11 May 08 - 03:50 PM

good play if there's a good candidate AND (but?) it would be a real kick in the balls for Hillary

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: bobad
Date: 11 May 08 - 04:27 PM

"it would be a real kick in the balls for Hillary"

She's man enough to take it.

A hypothetical question - can Bill Clinton be vice president?

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Bill D
Date: 11 May 08 - 06:44 PM

Since he can not be president again, I would doubt that he'd be allowed to hold a position putting him in a direct line.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: bobad
Date: 11 May 08 - 07:04 PM

From Wikipedia

"....it is unclear if a two-term President could later be elected—or appointed—Vice President. Some argue[who?] that the Twenty-second Amendment and Twelfth Amendment bar any two-term President from later serving as Vice President as well as from succeeding to the presidency from any point in the United States Presidential line of succession. Others contend[who?] that while a two-term President is ineligible to be elected or appointed to the office of Vice President, he or she could succeed from a lower position in the line of succession which he or she is not excluded from holding. Others contend[who?] that the Twelfth Amendment concerns qualification for service, while the Twenty-second Amendment concerns qualifications for election. Neither theory has ever been tested, as no former President has ever sought the Vice Presidency, and thus, the courts have never had an opportunity to decide the question."

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 May 08 - 08:13 PM

"he might pick a woman..."

Katherine Sebelius has been tipped.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Bobert
Date: 11 May 08 - 08:35 PM

I could live quite nicely with Sebelis... She could bring a lot of excitment to the ticket and a few mid-western states as well...

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 May 08 - 08:40 PM

So far as the Bill Clinton option goes, I can't see how that 22nd Amendment would be relevant, and would make him ineligible to be elected VP.

On the face of it, it just means he can't be "elected" president again. But a vice president who becomes president because a vacancy arises hasn't in fact been "elected" president, but has succeeded to it by virtue of being next in line next in line.

And the Twelfth Amendment doesn't alter matters - "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." But being ineligible to be elected President is not the same as being ineligible to actually be president through some other mechanism which does'nt involve being elleced to the position.

Of course the Supreme Court might be quite capable of deciding that the words didn't mean what they said and meant something else, and it wouldn't be the first time that's happened. But until and unless that has happened the clear meaning of the amendments is the one that holds.

But I think it's fairly safe to anticipate that the situation isn't going to arise. Not even if Mrs Clinton were the Democratic presidential nominee.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 May 08 - 08:52 PM

It won't be a Clinton.

A Rust belt Governor or former governor or a former general or security expert might be in order.

Rendell and Bayh are possibilities a or Wes Clarke or Sam Nunn. I wonder would Colin Powell be interested? Toni Zinni? Condi Rice?

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 11 May 08 - 10:14 PM

Here is the list from the Washington Post, both parties:

MOST LOGICAL VEEP CHOICES?

Here is the Post's list of the "five most logical veeps," assuming McCain and Obama are the candidates, ranked in the order of the likelihood of being chosen.
REPUBLICANS

5. Former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts

4. Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida

3. Former Rep. Rob Portman of Ohio

2. Sen. John Thune of South Dakota

1. Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota

DEMOCRATS

5. Former Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia

4. Gov. Tim Kaine of Virgina

3. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York

2. Gov. Ted Strickland of Ohio

1. Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 11 May 08 - 10:18 PM

Actually, I think there is a chance McCain will pick a woman.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 11 May 08 - 10:23 PM

And I think Tom Daschle is a very real possibility.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Bill D
Date: 11 May 08 - 10:29 PM

I think Daschle has been out of the public eye too long....and has made little attempt to be part of the furor.

I think I'll just wait and see....

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 May 08 - 11:49 PM

I wonder why Webb did not make the Post list. He would provide rock-hard military credibility--especially considering his Vietnam service--and might help bring Virginia along. I would bet that Obama can get Ohio without Strickland--since it's a state in economic distress--and McCain's base will only allow "market-based solutions"--a Bandaid on a gaping wound. Also Obama can be far more credible on health-care reform--again McCain is hamstrung by a restriction to "market-based solutions"--shorthand for making the sick pay more.

It won't be necessary to pick a woman for VP if Obama makes it blazingly clear he is against any attack on Roe v Wade--and you can't say the same for McCain, to put it mildly. And strongly advocating health-care reform--with specifics, a la Hillary, will help with her voters. Especially since Obama is in fact in favor of health care reform. McCain--not exactly--only if it's done through "the market". Which, as I said, boils down to making the sick pay more.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: irishenglish
Date: 12 May 08 - 01:16 PM

I have a strong feeling it might be Richardson, I think he is fully qualified. Only potential problem with that is he comes from such a small state, population wise, and Obama might choose someone from more of a major player-Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc. A good VP pick can definitely add to the vote total.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Donuel
Date: 12 May 08 - 01:20 PM

VP selection is life insurance as much as anything.

The other factor is a name short enough to fit on a sticker.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Bobert
Date: 12 May 08 - 01:29 PM

Webb is too quirky, Ron... I used to think he'd be a good addition but he is a maverick...

Mark Warner would be a much better choice...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 May 08 - 01:53 PM

VP and cider...helluva mixture....

Hamish Imlach, you wrote my life......

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 May 08 - 02:03 PM

This is a no-brainer. VP = PV = P-Vine. (Mudact's dylsexic dontchaknow.)

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Bill D
Date: 12 May 08 - 03:43 PM

Webb? nawwww...way too honest & direct! (plus, he's new on the scene) maybe when he's mellowed a bit.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 12 May 08 - 07:19 PM

Webb would be perfect regardless of the party!

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 May 08 - 09:47 PM

Richardson would also possibly be a good choice--especially in trying to anchor the Hispanic vote this year--which is likely to be essential. I wonder how many Hispanics agree with Carville's labeling of him. Obviously if many do, he'd not be a good choice. But since VP is often heir apparent, I'd think many Hispanics would be in favor of Richardson as VP.

His military credentials are not remotely comparable to Webb's. How important is that?   And you balance the chances of helping to bring Virginia along versus the attracting the nationwide Hispanic vote---which of course should be happening anyway --if Obama comes out strongly for a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, without first insisting on the "border security" chimera, and pushes hard for real health-care reform--not the "market-based" reform McCain will offer.

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 May 08 - 09:49 PM

"versus attracting..."

Subject: RE: BS: And for VP?????
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 13 May 08 - 07:59 AM

Obama needs someone older than him with a lot of experience, to counter the "experience" problem with his negatives.

Which means an inside the Beltway Dem.

Daschle has been one of Obama's closest advisors, and still rules the roost within the pro-Obama faction of the utterly despicable DLC wing of the party.

It would be incestuous, to be sure, for Obama to pick Daschle. But politically it would be a very savvy move on his part.

It would also be a very "in your face" thing to do to the neo-cons, who still have that notch on their belt for targeting the Senate majority leader, and driving him out into the wilderness.

Richardson doesn't bring the goods the way Daschle does.