combustible folk

Subject: combustible folk
From: glueman
Date: 18 Jun 08 - 06:40 PM

The tradition is under threat - not true, the tradition almost died and is in rather good health.
Englishness is under threat - does anyone have the faintest idea what this means?
'This one's not worth it' - my greeting on the board.
1954 - the Rosetta Stone of the tradition. Just saying it puts you to the top table.
Unfolk - Unthank, country, blues, folk-rock, Mike Harding, the young, almost anything.

All things I've learnt in the last two months here. Anyone want to play shibboleth bingo?

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Gene Burton
Date: 18 Jun 08 - 06:55 PM

I didn't understand a word of that, but this thread looks like being good fun, anyhoo...ENJOY!

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Gene Burton
Date: 18 Jun 08 - 06:58 PM

P.S. I sold some Cds tonight, so I'm in a good mood. Which almost certainly means the tradition is, indeed, under threat...LOL

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: glueman
Date: 18 Jun 08 - 07:00 PM

Just a theory Gene, that almost anything upsets someone. Folk is the Princess and the Pea of musical genres.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Gene Burton
Date: 18 Jun 08 - 07:00 PM

How dare you!

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Gene Burton
Date: 18 Jun 08 - 07:03 PM

In all seriousness, though, I've always been of the opinion that more often than not, the state of being offended is the product of the offensive mind.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Escapee
Date: 18 Jun 08 - 11:28 PM

Some people just aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something.
SKP

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned A Monster
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 02:34 AM

...and yea! Verily they gather together at Mudcat!

I tell you Gluey, we need a concerted effort to wake up Harvest Home...

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Banjiman
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 03:20 AM

Right-on dude......what?

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: davyr
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 04:16 AM

Why did I think this was going to be a thread about Phosphorus?

http://www.phosphorus.org.uk/

:-)

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 04:57 AM

.....I think the whole trouble with Folk is....sorry...there's someone at the door....


:0)

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Zen
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 04:58 AM

Some people just aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something.

I couldn't have put it better...

Zen

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 05:02 AM

Theres this hippy comes to see me play sometimes. he always says, 'wow!.... like man you were on fire tonight....'

Bob Stokes the Dublin Busker was gigging The Poets Corner (a rough Irish pub in the Meadows area of Nottingham, despite its genteel name) when someone set fire to the pub during his act. The next time he did it, there was a murder outside in the car park.

I remember Mick Peat organised a Pie and Peas Night, with Derek Brimstone doing the cabaret, when suddenly pie kitchen was ablaze. We had to evacuate the building.

I hope this is seen as a valid contribution to this cryptic thread.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: glueman
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 05:18 AM

Haven't drunk in the Poet's for many a year, though old Arkwright St. used to have some good boozers. The inflammability of Mudcat is due in no small to the fact that somewhere along the way Folk stopped being a musical style you either liked or didn't, and became a moral crusade. Since then every subject is dry tinder, each instrument a box of matches and every singer a potential log on the wickerman.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 07:36 AM

I remeber someone once singing Leon Rosselsons song ' Tim Maguire ' then spontaneously bursting into flames, then someone said " don't poke him, he'll burn longer "

eric

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 07:53 AM

.....it was the post person.....now what we really need to do about folk music is....d**** there goes the 'phone.....

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 08:11 AM

"Folk is the Princess and the Pea of musical genres. "

Hmmm, I'll have to sleep on that one.



"I couldn't have put it better..."

Well I bloody well could but, hey, what's the point......Pass me that can of petrol and the matches,someone.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Les from Hull
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 08:11 AM

It'll be that 'Person from Porlock' again!

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Surreysinger
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 08:16 AM

Didn't know we had a problem with albatrosses... someone once told me that all folk songs were about sheep... sorry, it's nearly time for "Doctors" on the box ... must dash!

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Surreysinger
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 08:32 AM

"every singer (is)a potential log on the wickerman."
Nobody warned me of this when I started off singing so many years ago ... I'm off for a singing weekend in Dorset tomorrow. It never occurred to me that putting fire and spirit into a song might be a hazardous thing. Should I be taking an asbestos safety blanket and an extinguisher with me ? Back to "Doctors" then......

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Les from Hull
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 08:38 AM

Try to manage as best as you can without!

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: glueman
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 08:46 AM

Let's put it another way. Is there a single musician, vocalist or instrument that everyone can agree on?

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 08:58 AM

"every singer (is)a potential log on the wickerman."


We do still burn witches in our village from time to time, but it's not a religious thing now - just a bit of fun. We've stopped ducking them first, though, because it makes them so hard to light and with the price of petrol what it is....

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: GUEST,Trev
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 09:04 AM

"Some people just aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something."

Nobody's happy until they have a mortgage to moan about.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned A Monster
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 09:21 AM

It's ok to be a log for the Wickerman: however big the fire, there's always someone round the corner happy to piss on it.
Meanwhile...

Is there a single musician, vocalist or instrument that everyone can agree on?

Now then, don't be silly.

And it depends if you mean we all agree they're blooming marvellous or all agree they're shite.

What we're looking for is someone who's a traditional singer and a singersongwriter (or neither); as old as the hills and the new kid on the block (or neither); is part of the folk establishment and is a shunned, reviled rebel (or neither); is an inspector in the folk police and and a hunted fugitive from justice (or neither); has paid their dues round every godforsaken folk club in the land and wouldn't piss on the last folk club standing if it was on fire (or neither); is playing the latest cutting edge ambient folktronica and has taylored their entirely career to getting onto 'wonderful' radio two (or neither); is a proudly amateur folk singer who thinks turning professional is a betrayal of the entire movement and is a pro with major label backing and a brilliant PR machine (or neither); thinks 1954 is the holy word of god and a random year halfway through the last century (or neither) or is anywhere (or nowhere) on the continuum (or not) between the two (or more). (Or less).

And their name is....

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Paul Burke
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 09:26 AM

WEhat's all this about 1954? What happens at 6 minutes to 8? Is that when the residue impinges on the ventilator?

Of course there are singers and instrumentalists that everyone agrees on. But I won't say who because it would start a row.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 09:27 AM

I was married but now I'm a single musician again, this is a matter of fact ! so everyone must agree.

eric

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a Monster
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 09:32 AM

Of course there are singers and instrumentalists that everyone agrees on. But I won't say who because it would start a row.

Go on, you know you want to!

And I'm intrigued to know who these all-encompassing figures are...

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: glueman
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 09:33 AM

You got it ESAM. If I were to think of someone who represented the folkish virtues, was generous to a fault, held the tradition in high esteem and pursued unswerving devotion to their craft, I could guarantee within ten minutes someone would claim they were an unskilled arriviste, a monsterous libertine, and couldn't pluck fluff off a jumper or wipe the shin(t)e of xxxxxx's shoes.

It's a form devoid of not bad, fair do's and shades of grey all round with polarised, seething antipathy seen as the jolly norm.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Zen
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 09:43 AM

It's a form devoid of not bad, fair do's and shades of grey all round with polarised, seething antipathy seen as the jolly norm.

Replete with bad trousers.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: glueman
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 09:44 AM

...and tankards.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 09:47 AM

Actually, Jim (not Jim Carroll) put himself on the fire at Knockholt one year

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Paul Burke
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 10:06 AM

Well here are a few:
        
Kattett Løpkile
Dedo del Pielevanta la Rodilla
Mojezabić Człowiekagore
Tyvyhrál Můjuhlí
K. Nosač Pčelinji
A Fiação

There. That's enough for now. All agreed?

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 10:15 AM

...oh oh....the fat's really in the fire now!

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 10:17 AM

ah...! metaphorical combustion!

Or look at it another way, we are all frogmen in this great ocean of.....ethnicity!

or we are all potatoes, singing our potato songs in the subterranean dark and hoping to be dug up and end up on the right table.

or we are all little songbirds gracing an uncaring firmament with the spiriual magic of melody and the passion of our words.

Earth, Water, Fire and Air

We're an elemental force.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Surreysinger
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 10:34 AM

...Ah, but are we an elemental force to be reckoned with ?

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 10:43 AM

I don't believe in force , could you make that elemental persuasion?

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a mOnster
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 10:46 AM

A Fiação pode ser definida como uma seção de operações que transforma uma massa de fibras têxteis inicialmente desordenadas (flocos) em um conjunto de grande comprimento, a qual sua seção possui algumas dezenas de fibras mais ou menos orientadas e presas a si mediante uma torção. As fibras têxteis podem ser de origem natural, química ou mineral.

As far as I'm concerned, anyway.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: glueman
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 10:51 AM

Earth, Wind and Fire. Did Maurice White not sing of those grand times when the crops were in, the last fender was attached on the line and a young man's fancy turned to a little step dancing in Boogie Wonderland? T'was joy that eve to be alive under the harvest moon, and swap it for a glitterball in the inn at Studio 54.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: AggieD
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 11:00 AM

'What's all this about 1954?'

Best year ever of course 'cos I was born in that year.

And really glad to know we're not the only village that still burns witches, wicker men and the odd stray duck that we don't like the look of or doesn't quack in the style that we'er used to

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a moNster
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 11:01 AM

Studio 54

Wouldn't that be Studio 1954?

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Paul Burke
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 11:04 AM

Massa de Fibras - he was one of the greats.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: glueman
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 11:07 AM

"Wouldn't that be Studio 1954?"

If I was in the smiley racket I'd award that a whole row of the beggars.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Les from Hull
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 11:19 AM

Don't tell me Massa de Fibras has passed on. We'll never see his like again. Or perhaps we will.

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Zen
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 11:42 AM

I googled "1954 definition" and it brought up

A review of reproductive strategies in cephalopods

Is this what is causing all the fuss?

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Surreysinger
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 11:43 AM

Well personally I always had a great liking for Desordenadas Flocos myself ... but then what do I know ??

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Def Shepard
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 11:50 AM

1954, the Club 54 for some folkies. :-D

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Surreysinger
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 11:50 AM

Zen - no, I think you may be barking up the wrong tree there. 1954 was the year which saw the international definition of the nautical mile - surely this must be the yardstick we are all seeking for (unless of course the yard was redefined at the same time).

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: Def Shepard
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 11:53 AM

This is probably not what is meant by the 1954 definition :-D

Subject: RE: combustible folk
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 12:05 PM

OOh, I don't know, though..... and as for the cephalopods, I've heard the phrase 'I'd swim under water and f**k fish for that' ....but octopusses (octopussies, octopi?).