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CW (inactive) 03 Jun 99 - 10:17 PM
Songbob 04 Jun 99 - 12:20 AM
Bert 04 Jun 99 - 09:10 AM
Wolfgang 04 Jun 99 - 09:32 AM
Amos 08 Mar 04 - 08:50 PM
Walking Eagle 08 Mar 04 - 09:32 PM
GUEST,reggie miles 08 Mar 04 - 11:27 PM
Peace 08 Mar 04 - 11:32 PM
George Papavgeris 09 Mar 04 - 11:12 AM
GUEST,reggie miles 09 Mar 04 - 12:16 PM
McGrath of Harlow 09 Mar 04 - 12:53 PM
Kevin Sheils 09 Mar 04 - 01:28 PM
dwditty 09 Mar 04 - 01:57 PM
harvey andrews 09 Mar 04 - 02:44 PM
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Subject: songwriting
From: CW (inactive)
Date: 03 Jun 99 - 10:17 PM

I've written several folk and country songs, and have been told by local musicians to publish them. I'm not sure how to go about it. Any thoughts on how to get them played/sung/published? (I am not a musician.)


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: Songbob
Date: 04 Jun 99 - 12:20 AM

Well, there's self-publishing, whereby you put out a book or tape, but "real" publishing, whereby someone else takes a flier on your words and music, and tries to "place" the song with a performer or two, that's a different thing. For lots more info than you need, try rec.music.makers.songwriting (a newsgroup) or do a search on "songwriting" or "songwriter" on the web, and settle down for a few months of reading (assuming you look at every site).

I personally haven't had any luck with my songs, but then I haven't tried all that hard to find a publisher. It depends on the style, too -- rock songs are harder to place than country, since so much of rock music is self-produced (i.e., performer-written), one cause of the [sarcasm on] high level of quality we see in rock music today. [/sarcasm off]

You can try a web-site, too, like mine, at

http://members.aol.com/rjclayton

But it won't get you much more notice than you've had so far.

Good luck!

Bob Clayton


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: Bert
Date: 04 Jun 99 - 09:10 AM

Bob,
That 'sarcasm on' should be an HTML tag!

Bert.


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Jun 99 - 09:32 AM

CW, perhaps you'll find some information in the How do I copyright a song? thread

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: Amos
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 08:50 PM

Gee -- what was that?


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 09:32 PM

I'm just at the amature stage. I'm hoping to take the song writing class at Augusta this year. What I have in mind doing is to use two poems that I love and set them to music. I've checked on one and I know that no song was written about her, Anne Bailey. I know that no one has set my deceased friends' poem to music. I won't be selling them. I may give the Anne Bailey one to the WV Cultural Center for them to sell. Good luck in your endeavors!


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: GUEST,reggie miles
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 11:27 PM

Okay, I know it's early in the thread, but I hope a bit of thread drift is tolerable. The original question was posed way back in '99 so I'm assuming it has been answered. I was just thinking about starting a thread about songs, and bingo! The moon phase must be with me. I jump on the Cat, and here one is to post to with a title that's got reasonable latitude.

So, here's my twist. I've written a few songs of late too, and have noticed a curious side effect. They not only wish or sometimes demand to be written, but then they seem to insist on being heard as well. It's as though they have a mind of their own. Like a junkie lookin' for a fix, I find myself drawn to any sort of venue that'll have me, just to satisfy THEIR desire to be heard. Once performed, the feelings subside, but not for very long. Soon I find myself needing to seek another venue, not to play the old obscure stuff I've played for years, but to release these new songs. It's a feeling very much like lifting a burden from within. It's as though they (the songs) expect this as part of the bargain. They reveal themselves to me at times, it seems, from the ether, and for that privilege, I must also agree to perform them. That last part, about performing them, must have been in the fine print section of whatever contract I signed because I had no idea it would be like this. I don't really mind singing them. Hey, who else is going to do it? But it's this compulsion inside, this weird feeling that's a little spooky. It's as if I'm being driven to sing them. Folks still enjoy all of that other stuff I've been singing and request it, but it's as I said, I find that these new songs want or desire to be heard. They nag me, and drag me to my keyboard late at night or early in the morning to write them down, but that isn't enough. Then they gnaw at me to memorize them and learn their melodies. Once that's done they're still not satisfied until I bring them to a gig and perform them. It's as though the birth or the idea of the song was not enough. Once born, written down, and joined with a melody, they grow needy with desire to complete themselves and finish their circle, their cycle, and be heard or consumed by those who would listen.

Kinda weird huh?


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: Peace
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 11:32 PM

GUEST,reggie miles,

It's late in the thread. The thread started on June 3, 1999. What you say about the writing is neat, and some of that has been my experience, too.


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 11:12 AM

I find the same too. I have come to think of them as children of mine - giving them birth is not enough. They constantly require new clothes (arrangements), evenings out (sung at clubs), spending money (for recording). And after a while, they also want to go out with others (other singers asking to sing them).

But that's not the worst of it - a few flourish under the attention of others more than under mine (daughters getting married?)

Still - we wouldn't be without them, would we?


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: GUEST,reggie miles
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 12:16 PM

No, you're right, I do enjoy them and think of them as gifts or surprises at least that arrive sometimes hurriedly or sometimes with much labor but always welcome and appreciated.


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 12:53 PM

And until you've sung a new song, you can't really get your head round writing another one, I find. Like it's blocking up the platform so the next train can't get in the station.


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 01:28 PM

Yes McG of H, "There's another train, there always is" as Pete Morton wrote


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: dwditty
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 01:57 PM

This is not an ad, but I have taken several courses, including a songwriting course, at Berklee College of Music via the web. Info is HERE

If my clicky works, it will be the first in a long time...

DW


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: harvey andrews
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 02:44 PM

And of course, anyone in Europe can come on my songwriting course in France in the summer. El Greko is! Details on my website www.harveyandrews.com or from Martin Wyndham Read.


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 03:25 PM

Here's the link to that on Harvey's website, pictures and all...


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 04:00 PM

Indeed I'm going to Harvey's course, and I'm really looking forward to it (while at the same time dreading that I might "dry up" that particular week!). It's an 18 month promise to myself that I can at last fulfill. Do yourselves a favour and snap up any remaining places - if indeed there are any left still...


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: Crane Driver
Date: 09 Mar 04 - 08:10 PM

I completely agree with Guest,reggie miles, and it's a relief to find that it's not just me! I've been writing songs in a very traditional style about events and people from local history for a few years now, and there is a compulsion about it. It's as if the songs have been hanging around since the events occurred, waiting for someone to write them. They latch on to me, and won't let go until I finish them. The more vigorous songs write themselves in a few hours, lazier ones take months to finish. And it is a real frustration if you can't get to perform them. I seem to have forgotten most of my earlier repertoire ...... damn!

Andrew


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Subject: RE: songwriting
From: Clean Supper
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 06:10 AM

I also agree with reggie miles (but I'm inclined to put it in less magical language...). I write political songs and I feel like I'm having my say when I perform a song. Even writing it gives me some of that feeling but it's not quite complete until I get up on front of people - preferrably strangers - and let them have it.

I'm a bit stuck on getting back to my hemisphere from this strange and freezing North now, though, so gigs are few and far between (geographically as well...). I'm making do with publishing my songs on a web page and telling everyone I can get hold of about it (this now includes you). It's not too hard to create a web site - getting anyone to se it is trickier and putting music on it takes a little learning too. (and SPACE - roger me sideways, even MP3s are quite big, full audio files are enormous!)

go well

salad of raw tomato, onion, garlic, parsley, basil and olive oil :)


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