BS: McCain = The Draft?

Subject: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 05:32 AM

He agrees that he needs it to keep Osama promise.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: Lox
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 05:42 AM

I enjoyed the video about three or four down on the left which covered Bush's alleged plagiarism of Obamas foreign policy ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: Lox
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 05:44 AM

Sorry - should have given you a blicky.

Here's one now.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: kendall
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 06:49 AM

I couldn't get any of them to play, and I had to hit "Esc" to get rid of the page.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: GUEST,jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 07:34 AM

how bout this one kendall?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 07:37 AM

wwIII draft

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 07:46 AM

And here

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 09:37 AM

Have a text version? I don't do talking heads.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 10:10 AM

JayJay,

What is the connection between supporting Republicans and lack of basic math skills?

Lets take you silly assumption about 50,000 troops, which would be non combatants according to Obama's stated plan as accurate.

Lets say that he moves 50,000 to afghanistan instead of his stated 12,000.

The surge peak was 140,000, that leaves 40,000 troops who can stay home and rest and would not require a draft.

Realistic numbers 20,000 in Iraq total, 20,000 more in Afghanistan and the reserves and National guard come home and take care of business at home, leaving nearly 100,000 troops to rest.

On the other hand. He could get a serious increase in volunteers if he shows a serious attitude towards getting Bin Laden and a sane attitude toward Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 11:45 AM

The draft is not what will happen. In Vietnam they've already figured out the downside of having middle class and upper-middle class kids serving as enlisted people in the military.

                   What they will do in the future, for purposes of increasing numbers, is hire more "security" folks from contractors like Blackwater and use more and more of them in combat. That way they don't have to worry about a backlash in the states. The only people getting killed will be mercinaries and poor folks.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 06:06 PM

The Obama war plan is to stop fighting it. What part of that do you not understand?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 06:20 PM

Not right away, of course, but...

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 06:30 PM

16 months. Pretty clear.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 06:58 PM

It is unfortunate that the US became embroiled in Iraq. However, a troop withdrawal would I think precipitate attacks on the troops a la Saigon in 1973(?). Until there is a police force and army in place in Iraq--made up of Iraqis--sudden withdrawal would be tantamount to requesting lots more civilian deaths. IMO, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: Goose Gander
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 07:09 PM

Riginslinger is correct, I believe; 'private' armies, mercenaries, etc. are the future of warfare in the twenty-first century. Paid for, of course, with tax revenues, drug money, etc. Mass distraction will replace mass mobilization. We'll all be watching 'Dancing with the Stars' (or something like that) while Blackwater-type paramilitary forces do the empire's dirty work.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 07:19 PM

The mercenaries are hideously expensive. I think their use will go way down under Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 08:29 PM

Peace, the final attack on Saigon happened in April, 1975. By then, the only US troops left in Vietnam were the embassy security guards. Two of them were killed in the process of getting the civilians out.

Blackwater and its ilk are used primarily as security guards, "protecting" high-profile civilians and non-military convoys. They rarely, if ever, participate in actual military operations - that is left for the Army's $24,000/year soldiers, $35,000/year sergeants and $48,000/year lieutenants. Many of the contractor employees, BTW, are from third-world countries and don't get the rumored six-figure salaries.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 09:07 PM

"The mercenaries are hideously expensive. I think their use will go way down under Obama."


                You don't think he would be tempted to get involved in a place like Darfur, for instance, or Burma?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 09:09 PM

Thanks, Art. My memory isn't peaches and cream anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 08:47 AM

If they do Darfur, I think it will be tactical support for African or other international peace keepers.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain = The Draft?
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 01:59 PM

Vogue McCain.