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Subject: BS: Words to live by... From: dick greenhaus Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:18 PM Palin (on Couric interview)On whether the $700 billion bailout of the U.S. financial sector is a good idea. " That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Helping the—it's got to be all about job creation too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans and trade—we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as competitive, scary thing, but one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today—we've got to look at that as more opportunity." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: GUEST,lox Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:28 PM Don't know what it is about that ... er ... sentence ... hmmm ... but it kinda reminded of this. (If you are holding a hot drink put it down, if you have weak knees sit down and if you have a heart condition find a picture of something really boring to stop you laughing and look at it at frequent intervals.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Jeri Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:35 PM The Repubs have a presidential candidate that can't go to meetings and chew gum at the same time, and the VP candidate can't figure out how to get the gum wrapper off. Is it any wonder they're trying to keep the media away from her. It's a joke. I don't want to read the werdz again--is there a complete sentence in the whole steaming mess? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Amos Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:25 PM Words to spin byu. ANd no, it doesn't get any clearer. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Becca72 Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:26 PM Yeah, but she can see Russia from her house... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: dick greenhaus Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:28 PM Re Becca72s post: ouric: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that? Sarah Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundary that we have with Canada. It's funny that a comment like that was kinda made to … I don't know, you know … reporters. Couric: Mocked? Palin: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah. Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials. Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there… Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians? Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: gnu Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:29 PM It just gets worse. Tsk, tsk, tsk... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: bobad Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:38 PM When I heard a clip of the above exchange on the radio yesterday I thought it was a comedian doing a take off on her, couldn't believe it was actually Ms.Palin speaking, scary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: GUEST,az_skye Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:49 PM Plus ça change, et plus c'est la même chose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Amos Date: 26 Sep 08 - 02:00 PM I can see Russia now, the clouds have cleared; Nobody realizes its so near! And just by gazing toward Siberia's shore I can learn all the Kremlin knows, and more. I can read polcy in the clouds on high; I can see secrets that would make Putin cry. I can see Russian politics, north and south, I can see Russia, I can see Russia I can see RUssia from my house. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Ebbie Date: 26 Sep 08 - 02:14 PM Actually, Palin can not see Russia from her house - one has to travel to Little Diomede Island in the Bering Sea for that and that's not easily done on the spur of the moment. For that reason alone, I doubt her claim that she has expertise in foreign policy. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 08 - 02:19 PM Boston is closer to Moscow than Alaska Palin was just having a bad mouth day I am sure she could do much better with a teleprompter or earpiece |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Ebbie Date: 26 Sep 08 - 02:36 PM The city of Vladivostok has a larger population than the whole state of Alaska and it's not far away. I don't know if they still doit t - I haven't met any of them in recent years - but it used to be that every year a plane load of Russians traveled to Juneau and a plane load of Alaskans went to Vladivostok. Long before Palin's time though. We used to have music parties for them, and that is where one Russian told me in response to my having 'passed' my turn that in Russia it is considered very rude to not do something when it's one's turn; whether it's a song, a poem, a recitation or a dance, one does something. The Kamchatka Peninsula is close by as is Siberia. I just had a phone call from a friend who tells me that last night on Jimmy Kimmel Live Kimmel amplified on Palin's expertise. She, he said, is an expert on finance; right from her house she can see a bank. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 08 - 04:17 PM Dick greenhaus: Govenor Palin, Have you any thoughts about the Hadron Collider? ?? In what respect dick? ...respect dick! I din't mean to say well anyway you know I ah...what about the Halon Collector would you like to know? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:05 PM Just one funny thing ...You've got a Republican who is the most unpopular president for decades. The most unpopular war since the end of Vietnam, started by Republicans. A string of political fiascos and resignations by Republicans A finanancial meltdown of global proportions caused in large part by a Republican administration. Two Republical Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates who in your opinion are unfit to organise a booze up in a brewery, yet the Presidential race is still wide open. What does that say to you about the Democrats?? If the country could put their trust in Obama and the Democrats to provide REAL change, they(the Democrats) would be at least 20 percentage points ahead. It would and should be easy. The truth is that the Democrats have no intention of changing anything. Mr Obama is as tied into the discredited Capitalist system as Bush, Cheyney and Rumsfelt. Listen to his latest pronouncment on the bailout! You hate being fucked by politicians?...well it won't feel any nicer if you change the name....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: dick greenhaus Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:17 PM Ake- He'd probably pick up 10-20 points if he weren't black. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:19 PM Well who selected him? They must have thought it was a good idea at the time! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:23 PM And Dick....If you really believe that, why dont you emigrate? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:24 PM He is a dark Latte' not black |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: CarolC Date: 26 Sep 08 - 06:22 PM Now anyone can get some foreign policy experience... Little Diomede Webcam |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: katlaughing Date: 26 Sep 08 - 06:38 PM My sister's son-in-law is in the Air Force in Alaska. Do you reckon it's him and others whom she is speaking of here: It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right next to, they are right next to our state" Google news has a whole slew of her quotes: HERE. I didn't used to think anyone could be worse than the shrub! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: dick greenhaus Date: 26 Sep 08 - 07:43 PM Ake- Emigrate? To where? I think Obama is a good candidate who's more likely than most to be a good president. I personally don't give a damn whether he's black or green or purple. Sadly, a fair portion of our electorate seems to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 27 Sep 08 - 01:30 AM Sorry Dick...I didn't mean to infer that you were prejudiced against Obama's colour, or race in general. What I meant was, it must be difficult living in a country with so many racists in the population. I certainly would find it hard to vote for either party given, their historical and contemporary attitude to race. It appears that they both pay lip service to racial equality by the use of "tokens",(Miss Rice...Mr Obama) while remaining deeply racist at the party core. I have read that the Democratic Party are especially bad in this respect, condoning a large racist element in their Southern support. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: CarolC Date: 27 Sep 08 - 02:11 AM Living in a country with so many racists certainly presents a lot of challenges for people who are against racism, but how can people work to eliminate that racism if they don't stay here to fight it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 27 Sep 08 - 02:38 AM You need some proper weapons to fight with Carol. As far as I can see Mr Obama doesn't have the qualities required to rouse the troops. I'm afraid those on the right see him for what he is, a "token" for tyhe chattering classes. Why don't The American people get out on the streets? Are they all sheep to the slaughter?.....Don't they realise what is about to happen during the coming depression?. WHen the troops come out to put down the demonstrations, who's side do you think Mr Obama will be on? Will he march in the crowds like "Martin Luther"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Ebbie Date: 27 Sep 08 - 03:35 AM "I have read that the Democratic Party are especially bad in this respect, condoning a large racist element in their Southern support." Ake It's been a long time since the South was primarily Democratic, Ake; at least since LBJ and his Civil Rights push. And I think your view of our racism is simplistic. I don't think that Miss Rice or Mr. Obama is tokenism. We *have* changed a lot; it's just that we must change more. I hate to harp on it but I repeat that I get tired of people implying (not inferring) that the US society is more racist than many another society. One of the things I love about America is that she is far more open to criticizing herself with a sincere wish to improve. How many countries do you know whose favo(u)rite anthem has this kind of exhortation: God mend thine every flaw. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: CarolC Date: 27 Sep 08 - 03:57 AM I don't think Obama's a token either. I think he's just the guy who has been able to capture the imagination of a large segment of the country regardless of his color. But it's also true that there are some people who don't want him elected because of that color. Whether or not he is the guy who will fight corporatism is another matter, and remains to be seen. Certainly he's no Kucinich. But I think it's probably true that a huge segment of the electorate in this country really are sheep to the slaughter. The way I see it is that this country serves two main purposes for the corporatocracy - we are the breeding stock for the warrior class of the global empire, and we are the worker drones who provide the economic engine that pays for that empire. I don't know how much any particular candidate can do to change that state of affairs, but I'm probably going to vote for Obama anyway. If nothing else, I think he will at least help to stop the process of dumbing down of this country that has been happening under Bush, and that I see as the likely outcome of a McCain administration. And if we aren't being dumbed down, maybe we'll have better tools with which to fight the corporatocracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 27 Sep 08 - 06:12 AM Thanks Carol and Ebbie, nice thoughtful posts. Don't you think that things have just gone too far for anyone using the current political sytem to change...if they really wanted to change anything? As I said above, we are about to see lots of unemployment and deprivation associated with the financial collapse. Subsequent civil unrest could bring out the military and lay the foundations for Fascism. When this happens, what side will your interchangable political parties line up on? Its my guess ,that it won't be on the side of the deprived. Black white green or orange they will fight for what they have always fought for....Corporate America!! People power is the only hope. Get out on the streets "Stop the machine from functioning at all"(Mario Savio) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 27 Sep 08 - 06:26 AM On the theme of this thread, I does not matter how stupid Mrs Palin seems to pseudo intellectuals; to Middle America she believes what she says and is one of them! The Left must convince Middle America that we believe what we say and are not simply whining hypocrits. We must do the convincing in a language that middle America understands.........The left needs a rabble rouser, not a phoney intellectual....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: CarolC Date: 27 Sep 08 - 06:36 AM The foundations for fascism have already been laid. They've been chipping away at our Constitution for a while now, and that's the only thing that stands (or stood) between us and fascism. But I tend to see a different scenario being the one that would bring us up out of the status quo. I don't think people taking to the streets is what is going to do it this time. I think what happens is that the new way of doing things emerges sort of on its own, and once it's emerged enough to take the place of the status quo, the old way of doing things will just fall away. I see the new way of doing things already emerging, and I find it very encouraging. The new way I can see is people in ever larger numbers gravitating toward behaving consciously, sustainably, equitably, and with integrity, and making decisions both personal and in the market place with those things in mind. I don't think it's going to happen from the top down, but from the bottom up. The president of the US can't make it happen, but he or she can help to create an environment that will help to nurture it. I think Obama would do that. I feel quite confident that McCain would not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: CarolC Date: 27 Sep 08 - 06:45 AM The other thing I would say is that I don't think we will be able to continue to think in terms of polarities and expect to get anything done. We have to step outside of our notions of "left" and "right", "conservative" and "liberal", "us" and "them", and "intellectuals" and "middle America". As long as we're being batted back and forth between existig polarities, we really aren't moving beyond the old and into what needs to come next. We need to abandon all of our old ways of looking at things, and realize that it's not by fighting for old ideas that we will be able to correct the problems we face, but by finding and embracing new ways of thinking and doing things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Big Al Whittle Date: 27 Sep 08 - 07:02 AM Very disappointed. I opened this thread hoping for some words to live by. Never cross a motorway with you eyes closed. Don't wipe your bum on sandpaper. Instead, we get more about the Christian Athlete. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 27 Sep 08 - 10:09 AM Because I know how you think Carol, I would agree with much of that. I'm sure your intentions are good, but through my life, I have often seen the ideas you express used by the string pullers to manipulate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Ebbie Date: 27 Sep 08 - 10:14 AM Notwithstanding weelittledrummer's post (*g*), I don't envy either administration taking over the reins. (Obviously I am of the opinion that McCain/Palin/Lieberman/Ridge would continue our precipitous slide into chaos so it is really Obama/Biden that I have in mind.) The many-faceted and many-pronged problems that the new president will face are daunting, with no quick or easy or obvious solutions. If things get as bad as it appears they could, the people of the USA for the next several years will be an impatient, angry, frustrated, finger-pointing populace. They/we will want the president to fix things and it may not be possible to fix things for some time to come. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Bill D Date: 27 Sep 08 - 12:45 PM "The truth is that the Democrats have no intention of changing anything." ...and you know this by what means? The Democats changed a lot after Reagan was out of office, and there was a surplus in the budget until the Supreme Court put Bush into office. "The left needs a rabble rouser, not a phoney intellectual..." ...and YOU can tell the difference by? Or do you see any intelligent person who runs for office on the left as 'phoney'? Obama graduated from Princeton and the got a law degree from Harvard...that seems like a REAL intellectual to me. Then he worked in community organizing in Chicago....an intellectual who went out and dealt with real people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: dick greenhaus Date: 27 Sep 08 - 01:25 PM "On the theme of this thread, I does not matter how stupid Mrs Palin seems to pseudo intellectuals; to Middle America she believes what she says and is one of them!" I challenge anyone--High, middle or low American to explain the meaning of Ms. Palin's responses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Donuel Date: 27 Sep 08 - 01:39 PM I see Barack Obama having Lincolnesque qualities. If he had been purely formulaic or demographicly driven like most politicians, I would not have considered him the most viable candidate, despite his exquisite intellect and knowledge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Bill D Date: 27 Sep 08 - 01:40 PM Oh, *I* can explain them, Dick....she said "I want to win, and there are enough buzz words in my random mumblings to convince those I need to that I am a "good Amurican"." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Donuel Date: 27 Sep 08 - 01:47 PM I see Sarah Palin as Kiwanis Club winner of the Miss Wassilaa Beauty contest whose entire career is driven by skin deep impressions and perky deliveries of memorized sound bites. She has managed to violate the Peter Principle several times over due to the small sample size of her competition in Alaska. If she is homestly typical of the best Evangelicals have to offer, then the Peter Principle is obviously subject the the theory of Relativity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: CarolC Date: 27 Sep 08 - 01:56 PM I've seen the string pullers use the "take to the streets" message to manipulate the populace into doing its bidding as well. Personally, I would tend to trust a movement that emerges more or less naturally on its own and that spreads by example more than I would trust one that is instigated by people who are goading others into action. And I think such a movement will meet less resistance and will be much less susceptible to any kind of backlash. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 27 Sep 08 - 03:17 PM "Oh, *I* can explain them, Dick....she said "I want to win, and there are enough buzz words in my random mumblings to convince those I need to that I am a "good Amurican"." Exactly so Bill D! She has "connectibility", not with pseuds or even "real" intellectuals, but with the mass of ordinary people who have little intest in politics. This has always been the bane of the left, we have been perceived by the majority as hypocrits who simply want power for power's sake and in large part that perception is true. Thats why we need someone, both in America and Britain who speaks the language of the people and who is proud to expound left wing opinions ....who believes in his/her values at least as strongly as do the supporters of the right. In short we need a rabble rouser....we can sit here babbling about political theory till doomsday and it won't make a whit of difference, the election will be decided on a whim, emotion, a "buzz word" as Bill says, or just people becoming fed up with the same old faces and the same meaningless words. To raise the people you don't need fancy theory, or even the "truth". You need conviction and the ability to connect with those who haven't a clue what you are talkin' about.....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: dick greenhaus Date: 27 Sep 08 - 04:26 PM Ake- If I thought you were right I might just emigrate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 27 Sep 08 - 04:38 PM :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: GUEST,lox Date: 27 Sep 08 - 05:22 PM The whole thing reminds me of the film "trading places" with Eddie Murphy and Dan Ackroyd, in which two irresponsible old entrepreneurs bet each other a dollar that they can turn the millionaire chief executive of their organization into a bum and turn a bum into a successful chief executive. I imagine the likes of Cheney in the backroom betting a buck that they can get two Damn fools elected president and vice president. First there was Reagan, then there was Dan Quayle ... "ha ha - ok - you win ... what next ... lets see if we can make Arnold Schwarzzenegger the governor of california ... ha ha ha ... no way ... you won again ... ... ok ok ... I got a good one ... how about McCain and Palin ... bwa ha ha ha ha ha ..." It isn't funny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Sep 08 - 08:30 PM "it must be difficult living in a country with so many racists in the population. But we've got the same situation so far as that is concerned over here, ake, whichever end of the island we are living in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Joe_F Date: 27 Sep 08 - 08:43 PM It is rhetorically appropriate for nonsense to be expressed in nonsentences. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: akenaton Date: 28 Sep 08 - 02:02 AM Hi Mr McGrath! I'm not sure if we have such a big problem in Scotland. Race no longer figures much in discussion up here. We do seem to have a sort of reverse "racism" due to the failure of "multiculturalism". Several large ethnic groups which won't integrate due to cultural or religious reasons.....I don't really blame these groups for wanting to hold on to their culture, but it seems to me, that they operate a sort of cultural apartheit, which is certain to cause trouble in the future. This of course is a quite different situation from the one which prevails in parts of the USA....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: GUEST,lox Date: 28 Sep 08 - 08:08 AM Ake and McGrath, This might prove useful. Racism in Scotland. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: GUEST,lox Date: 28 Sep 08 - 08:17 AM More specifically, a snapshot of society |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: freda underhill Date: 28 Sep 08 - 08:31 AM Scary Palin reminds me of Pauline Hanson, an outspoken, confident fish-and-chip shop owner who was elected to parliament and rose to infamy after her maiden speech. She ripped into Indigenous Australians, "fat cats, bureaucrats and do-gooders" under the guise of "standing up" for ordinary Australians. Her message of bigotry and intolerance was given with same same confidence and misinformation that Scary Palin eminates, and Pauline became a sort of Joan of Arc of rednecks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Riginslinger Date: 28 Sep 08 - 01:14 PM Yes, Pauline Hanson enjoyed a large following here is the states. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Amos Date: 28 Sep 08 - 01:16 PM Freda: An interesting counterpart. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Amos Date: 28 Sep 08 - 01:31 PM Herbert, NYT: ..."The McCain campaign has done its bizarre best to shield Ms. Palin from any sustained media examination of her readiness for the highest offices in the land, and no wonder. She has been an embarrassment in interviews. But the idea that the voters of the United States might install someone in the vice president's office who is too unprepared or too intellectually insecure to appear on, say, "Meet the Press" or "Face the Nation" is mind-boggling. The alarm bells should be clanging and warning lights flashing. You wouldn't put an unqualified pilot in the cockpit of a jetliner. The potential for catastrophe is far, far greater with an unqualified president. The United States has been lucky in terms of the qualifications of the vice presidents who have had to step in over the last several decades for presidents who either died or, in Richard Nixon's case, were forced to leave office. Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson became extraordinary presidents in their own right. Gerald Ford successfully guided the nation through the immediate aftermath of one of the most traumatic political crises in its history. For those who think Sarah Palin is in that league, there is no problem. But her unscripted public appearances would lead most honest observers to think otherwise. When asked again this week about her puerile linkage of foreign policy proficiency and Alaska's proximity to Russia, this time by Katie Couric of CBS News, here is what Ms. Palin said she meant: "That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land — boundary that we have with — Canada." It is not just painful, but frightening to watch someone who could become the vice president of the United States stumbling around like this in an interview. Ms. Couric asked Ms. Palin to explain how Alaska's proximity to Russia "enhances your foreign policy credentials." "Well, it certainly does," Ms. Palin replied, "because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there—" Gently interrupting, Ms. Couric asked, "Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?" "We have trade missions back and forth," said Ms. Palin. "We do. It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to our state." It was surreal, the kind of performance that would generate a hearty laugh if it were part of a Monty Python sketch. But this is real life, and the stakes couldn't be higher. As Ms. Palin was fumbling her way through the Couric interview, the largest bank failure in the history of the United States, the collapse of Washington Mutual, was occurring...." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Ebbie Date: 28 Sep 08 - 03:45 PM "Yes, Pauline Hanson enjoyed a large following here is the states." Rig Rig, evidently you have lived too long in southern Oregon- I lived in northen Oregon for most of my life and I have never heard of Pauline Hanson until now. As you know, southern Oregon is notoriously segregationalist, isolationist, racist and fearful. If you made an effort to get out more I think your views would change. Like me. I started out thinking I was Republican, because my father was. Poor excuse for a political philosophy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Sep 08 - 03:57 PM "It's funny that a comment like that was kind of made to — cari — I don't know, you know? Reporters ..." I imagine "caricatured" was the word she sort of had in mind there, but couldn't get out. "Mocked" is easier to say. And I imagine more people would know what it means. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Words to live by... From: Donuel Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:19 PM Suspending a campaign, suspending ads, suspending a debate, postponing a debate.... all good trial balloons to float a famiiarity to the idea of SUSPENDING an election. Shutting off gas deliveries to the South East, bringing an entire battaion back into the US to be deplyed for civil unrest and engineering a bail out that will take half the income from Americans. These things have happened already, maybe the BIG Coup isfinally just weeks away. maybe. |
