BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube

Subject: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Amergin
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 12:07 AM

Comedic singer Julie Brown has updated one of her songs in honour of the current farce here in the states.


The Ex-Beauty Queen Has Got a Gun

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 12:28 AM

There's a great video HERE called "Head of Skate - the Presidential Hockey Mom" which is pretty funny, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 02:01 AM

Christ. That song is even more annoying than Sarah Palin herself is.

Is there really any point in sinking to this kind of cruddy level of comment in regards to a national election?

Just think what it would sound like to you if it was about Obama instead...and it was similarly mean-spirited and nasty.

You wouldn't find it funny at all.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 02:20 AM

Well, gee, Little Hawk - if you get tired of the Sarah Palin stuff, you can go to http://obamagirl.com/

...or not.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 02:59 AM

Yes Hawk....there has been a nasty sort of elitism at work here since Mrs Palin appeared on the scene.

Those who profess concern over racism, homophobia,etc, have no hesitation about waving their "parrot papers" in the faces of those they perceive to be less worthy.

I disagree strongly with Mrs Palin's opinions, but to fight her on anything other than those opinions is cowardly!

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 03:17 AM

I hope everyone realizes that the photo is NOT of Sarah Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Emma B
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 06:48 AM

I'm with akenaton and Little Hawk 100%

I can't wait for this unworthy and apparently inexhaustible demonstration of mean and nasty malice to finally come to an end.

Thank heavens that we don't have a similar outpouring of bile and crude photoshopped images here about Obama from the folks who have the temerity to disagree with HIS opinions.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 07:23 AM

It's hard to be that inarticulate unless you have brain damage, Little Hawk. Try it and see what I mean. Almost any mudcatter could answer media questions with more coherence.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Amergin
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 12:40 PM

Wow it appears to me some people need a sense of humour for christmas.

Where is the malice?

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: PoppaGator
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 04:34 PM

Ms Palin is just such a woefully inadequate choice for nomination to the Vice Presidency that it's difficult not to express one's outrage and bafflement in ways that may be a bit obnoxious.

The person to blame is, of course, John McCain. He made his selection for shock value and to appeal to the know-nothing fundamentalist Republican "base" that is wary of him because he believes in evolution, etc. He and his advisers also apparently thought Sarah Palin could capture the votes of Democratic women who are disappoionted that Hilary Clinton did not win her party's nomination; I don't think that part of their strategy will hold.

In any event, her ascendancy is so blatently political, without the slightest regard to qualification, as to be laughable.

If she were really as smart as we're being asked to believe, she would have declined the invitation, spent a few more years as a governor, and then maybe become more ready to be taken seriously on the national stage.

In other words, she'd have done what Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana did when McCain (probably/seemingly) offered him the second spot on the ticket weeks earlier.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 04:38 PM

I think the meaness is a resentment at the insult of being offered, as a serious contender for the Executive BRanch of th enation, an individual who is all potential and no substance.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Bee
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 04:39 PM

Emma, you haven't seen the 'Obama Waffles'?

Video warning.

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Evan-Vucci-Family-Research-Council-political-satire-Democratic-presidential-candidate-Barack-Obama

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 05:12 PM

"think the meaness is a resentment at the insult of being offered, as a serious contender for the Executive BRanch of th enation, an individual who is all potential and no substance."
Hmmm....I think the meaness is because several Democrat Mudcatters thought they were about to lose what is turning out to be a pretty meaningless election.

Events on the finincial front have well and truly overshadowed the election circus.
These events should make it clear to all voters, not just those in the USA, how unimportant the political parties are. The $ystem is what matters to the string pullers. To save the $ystem everything and anything is on the table....and by that I mean our jobs, our savings, maybe even our lives...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 05:29 PM

This is what it has led to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RXpRVxiNfQ

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 05:41 PM

Petty scurrulous attacks on Palin are uncalled for and superfluous. You just have to listen to her and read her words.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 05:41 PM

"It's hard to be that inarticulate unless you have brain damage, Little Hawk. Try it and see what I mean."

Heh! ;-) Well, I'm not sure what you are alluding to exactly. Do you mean that Sarah Palin is inarticulate?

Look, I don't like Sarah Palin at all as a candidate for VP, and I wouldn't vote for her, but I still think the song is totally obnoxious and that it betrays a kind of smug arrogance in itself that is just as bad as what it is leveling criticism at.

It's like the kind of thing that a little clique of nasty "popular" girls in High School would come up with to deride some other student they felt didn't rate in their glorious little peer group...like those girls in the movie "Heathers".

Conservatives form snide little sniping groups like that and attack liberals. Liberals form snide little sniping groups like that and attack conservatives. The small-mindedness is clearly evident on both sides of the fence.

I don't see why either one of them should get away with behaving like total jerks toward each other.

I'd rather see an election won on the basis of worthwhile ideas and policies rather than on the basis of hatred and contempt.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 05:50 PM

Petty scurrulous attacks must be stopped, We need to issue arrest warrants for the song writer, Sat Nite Live, Dr. DeMento, Tom Lehrer, Steven Wonder, Cat Stevens and a thousand more.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 06:18 PM

Oh, I'm not in favor of stopping anyone from expressing themselves, Donuel. I just know gang bullying tactics when I see them, I know the smugness of people who happily engage in gang bullying tactics, how much they enjoy egging each other on gleefully to attack their target of choice, and I tend to find such behaviour distasteful...no matter who is doing it...no matter what side of the aisle it's on. It's a very immature kind of behaviour. One of the things I like about Obama is that he doesn't seem to want to conduct himself in that fashion, and that speaks well for him. He shows more decency and dignity than most politicians when it comes to that.

Partisan politics brings out the worst in people. That's why I'd like to see an end to political parties altogether.

But I might as well hope for an end to nuclear weapons, right? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 06:41 PM

Someone mention Cat Stevens?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9_7f8JB1Hc

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 09:35 PM

Dis anybody notice that the hilarious parody of Palin on SNL simply quoted the Gov. in entirety. Spoofing her is like shooting a moose in a barrel.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 09:43 PM

I think a large part of the evil plan was to inspire the elitists and city folk to attack a down-home rural-ish Sarah Palin to inspire the rural base, and grab a few of the rural-but-not loyal. I really do.

I also do not look forward to her humiliation, at all. I was always disgusted by Lloyd Bentsen's famous put-down of Quayle.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 10:57 PM

That was opportunistic on Lloyd Bentsen's part, for sure...and quite cruel too, but politics is a very cruel and dirty business. They are taught by their handlers how to be opportunists, how to conduct character asassination on others, and the ones with the sharpest killer instinct usually seem to do the best at the polls. Sarah Palin is said to have a pretty keen killer instinct herself by many people in Alaska. How Biden rates in that respect, I'm not exactly sure, but I bet they'll both be trying hard to embarrass the other in some fashion.

After all, sound bites and fleeting (if vague) impressions are everything in the modern American election campaign, aren't they? Or at least it seems that way if you watch the media.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: kendall
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 08:00 AM

Dan Quayle was an idiot. Bentsen spotlighted it. Palin is an airhead and she proves it every time she opens her mouth.

I have a whole page of nasty cartoons with O'Bama as the fool. If I could post them here, I would. He's getting his share of the meanness.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Genie
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 01:21 PM

akenaton, you said "there has been a nasty sort of elitism at work here since Mrs Palin appeared on the scene.

Those who profess concern over racism, homophobia,etc, have no hesitation about waving their "parrot papers" in the faces of those they perceive to be less worthy.

I disagree strongly with Mrs Palin's opinions, but to fight her on anything other than those opinions is cowardly!"

Sorry, but expecting a US VP candidate (and potential President) to be well-educated (formally or otherwise) and of excellent intelligence and judgment in areas relating to national and international affairs (including law) is not "elitism." At least not in any negative sense of the term.
It is one thing to elect the average Joe or Jane, with no special training or experience, to the city council or even to the US House of Representatives. Electing such a person to the office of Pres. or VP of the nation is quite another thing.

Barack Obama gets ridiculed and criticized for speaking in an articulate, educated way and for coming off as cool, collected, and confident.   This makes him "an elitist?"   (Of course, if he spoke like a rapper, he'd be put down for not having a "Presidential" image or for sounding too "ethnic.")
But when Palin's critics point out that her interview answers are often superficial, circular, or even non-sensical, it's those critics who are being "elitist?"

I think Thom Hartmann addressed the "elitism" issue very well:

Reclaiming The Issues: Bringing Back The Elites


[Excerpts;]MSNBC's Chris Matthews Friday suggested that Barack Obama is "elite" in part because Obama was wearing sunglasses:
"Can Barack Obama, a man of elite education if not elite background, break into the middle class and talk regular? Can he talk to regular people in their kitchens tonight, in their living rooms?

[...]

Everybody thinks Barack is too cool. In other words, there he is with the shades, getting on the plane. A little bit too elegant, a little bit too proud of his own bearing. Is that a problem, that he's just too cool for words? In other words, elite?"

Chris Matthews is wrong.

...


If George W Bush has taught us one lesson, it's that the god-awful consequences of having the guy you want to have beer with running the most complex, powerful, and massive institution in the world, the US Government, is a terrible mistake.

John McCain graduated from the Naval Academy in June 1958; he was fifth from the bottom, 894th out of 899. He has no training at law. Sarah Palin attended 5 schools before getting a degree from North Idaho College that qualified her to be a TV sportscaster. North Idaho College takes pride in its "open-door" admissions policy. She also has no training at law.

Most of our great presidents have been trained in law, from John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to Lincoln to FDR and Clinton. Bush and Cheney have no legal training and we were told how great the MBA presidency would be.
It's been a disaster.

Barack Obama got his B.A. from Columbia University in New York and his J.D. from Harvard. While at Harvard he was president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review. He was a professor of constitutional low at the University of Chicago. Joe Biden similarly has a JD degree.

It's time for an elite presidency. It's time for the best and the brightest to once again lead this nation.[/quote]

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 03:11 AM

Genie...Two Democrat lawyers eh?.....Intellectuals perhaps, but without doubt members of the most mistrusted profession on Earth.

Mr Obama keeps strictly in character, speaking much but saying very little. A lawyer does not seem to me the ideal vehicle to bring about progressive change.

Mr Biden also an "educated man" with seemingly no knowlege of American history ...or technology.

In my experience the most well educated can also be the dumbest and the most crooked.

The test of someone who wants something from you (in this case your vote), should be whether they actually mean what they say.
I think Mrs Palin, although perhaps not well educated, is intelligent...a street fighter, who's attributes were misused by the Republicans.

I say this while disagreeing with most of her opinions.

Even in the darkest days of this financial crisis, Mr Obama has made no comment on the robbery being perpetrated on the ordinary Joes by the Capitalists, yet he espouses massive change in America.
How does he hope to achieve that change without tackling the system?

One of the "brightest and best" should be able to add 2+2 and not get an answer of 5.
Do I think Mr Obama stupid?......No    Do I trust him.....No..Ake

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 03:33 AM

The mean, vicious, petty attacks on Obama in this campaign have bothered me considerably more than the ones on Palin. Yes, it is ridiculous when "Barack Obama gets ridiculed and criticized for speaking in an articulate, educated way and for coming off as cool, collected, and confident." The way he carries himself speaks well for him and does not make him an "elitist", it just makes him an intelligent person, period.   

However, I am simply commenting on the meanness and pettiness on both sides of the line.

You cannot legitimately complain about others using dirty tactics in politics on your favorite candidates when you smugly use equally petty, vicious and dirty tactics on those candidates whom you are opposed to.

Why? Because it's hypocritical, that's why.

But in any "in group"...people seem to get away with it, don't they? In fact, they delight in it. That's what I'm commenting on.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 03:55 AM

Gee Hawk....Can you get an "in" group of one!!

If you can, well I'm IT!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Genie
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 04:35 AM

Ake,
Yes, Biden and Obama are both Democratic Senators who have studied and practiced law. (Once again, the adjectival form is "Democratic," not "Democrat.")
Joke all you want, but having a doctorate in law, including Constitutional law, is an important asset for someone in either the legislative or judicial branch of government -- and it's kind of important for those in the executive branch to know a good deal about the law too.

If you're going to diss all lawyers, you'd have to put down most of our best Presidents and all of our judges.   If you think having a background in sports journalism or having been a relatively low-level military officer is better qualification, I'd say you don't understand what being the chief executive demands.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Genie
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 04:50 AM

Also, Ake, you say, "the most well educated can also be the dumbest and the most crooked."
I don't think you can be really well educated if you're really dumb (although book-learning and common sense are not the same thing), but you're right that being smart and educated doesn't make you honest. (It just makes you a better crook if that's what you were anyway.)

What I want in a President is someone who has (relevant) education, intelligence AND integrity.   I don't agree with all of Obama's stances, but I agree with him more than with anyone else who has a chance of being elected President this year.

I think Sarah Palin is probably a lot smarter than people give her credit for, but she just plan has not been dealing with national or international issues and concerns very much in the past, and until a couple years ago, her political concerns were pretty much limited to being a small town mayor.    I don't think you can make up for such a dearth of education/experience/knowledge of national and international issues in a matter of a couple months.   If she becomes VP, by the end of McCain's first term she well may be qualified to be President (although what I think her world view is scares me).   But I want the VP to be ready to step in as chief executive on day one, if need be.

I also don't think she's all that honest, from a number of reports I've heard and read from people who have dealt with her in Alaska. She may be a street fighter, but I'm not sure that's a great attribute for our VP or President.


BTW, both Kay Bailey Hutchison and Elizabeth Dole are former beauty queens. While I don't share their political views, I think either one would be qualified to be VP (and potentially President.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 12:22 PM

Hi Genie, Don't see you here often but it's always a pleasure to discuss these matters with you.
One of the handful of reasonable and fair people on the board.

I think you know the point I'm trying to make ...and thanks for not jumpin' on me with your big hobnail boots....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 12:35 PM

"Gee Hawk....Can you get an "in" group of one!!"

Heh! Yeah, I guess so, Ake. I think there are quite a few of us who are an "in" group of one in our own minds.

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Amos
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:21 PM

Mr Obama keeps strictly in character, speaking much but saying very little.

I submit, good Ake, that you may be filtering out the substance in your desire to hear the noise; perhaps you should listen more carefully. He has frequently, for example, discusse dhis deep concern for the impact of these economic upheavals on the working Joes of the country--I've heard him address the topic half a dozen times without even particularly being on the lookout for it. So it's a filter problem at your end.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Ex Beauty Queen-Youtube
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:39 PM

It's a "filter" problem at virtually everybody's end as far as I can see, Amos. They "hear" what they have already decided to hear and "see" what they have already decided to see.

And why? Well, that's a long story. I think that in most people's case it goes back to things that they have been exposed to and influenced by ever since they were children.

For instance...in the household I grew up in socialism was seen as a good thing, and was spoken of in those terms. It was seen as something which helps the ordinary public, provides work for people, takes care of those in need, provides health care and public services, assists the poor and disadvantaged, etc...it was seen as a VERY good thing in my family.

Therefore when I hear the word "socialism", I automatically get a positive signal in my brain.

I would assume that in DougR's family socialism was seen as a very bad thing. It was associated with communism, dictatorship, government oppression, a police state, government waste of money, inefficiency, etc...

Yet DougR and I BOTH want to see a society that helps the poor, provides work for people, takes care of those in need, provides good health care and public services, etc..... ;-)

But we react differently to the outward symbols and words, while actually holding the same hopes for humanity in general! Therein lies the problem.

Most people have hundreds of unconscious buttons in their minds that are pushed by different words, symbols, appearances, party labels, and other mental triggers that flip a person in an instant to a positive or negative reaction. Once the reaction is there, the mind busily starts filtering on the basis of the reaction...and away it goes.

People are highly subjective, but they don't usually realize it. They think they are being objective when all they are usually doing is rehashing their old emotional blocks and patterns, and reacting to superficial stimuli.

They are also astonishingly loyal to their established argument, once they have decided upon it...regardless of new evidence that might suggest altering their position. Why? Because their established argument has become a part of who they are. They defend it as they would defend their own identity, and they will continue defending it out of sheer pride and stubbornness to the bitter end...because to not do so is like letting part of oneself die or be destroyed.

That's why most of the political arguments between people here are endless, essentially futile, and have no likely resolution.

However, we all like to express ourselves, don't we? So expect more of the same...