BS: Troopergate, anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 02:15 AM

He could always apply for a trooper's position in Alaska, I hear they're in need of a new commissioner. Seems he might do well driving around the Governor. Had he done his job from the start & just given her a ticket & taken her in he'd probably still have his job today, no instead he had to call in the Calavary for a single handed move, make a mountain out of a mole hill, what would've been a hill of beans he turned into a night captains nightmare. He shouldn't be hired as a night watchman at the town dump.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 01:56 AM

Joe Biden's Troopergate:

By Bryce A. Priggemeier, Sr.

On January 1st, 2001 at about 1 o'clock in the morning, while employed as a police officer for the City of Newark, Delaware and on patrol, I observed a 2001 Ford Explorer pull along side of me at an intersection and proceed about a full car length past the white stop line. When the light turned green and we pulled away, we pulled up to the next intersection and the same vehicle came to a stop well into the middle of the intersection.

A traffic stop was initiated and the driver identified herself as Ashley Biden �" inquiring if I knew who her father was. I detected what I believed to be an odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from Ms. Biden. As per department protocol and because of Ms. Biden's public notoriety, I requested that a supervisor respond to the scene.

During the time period in which I was waiting for the supervisor to arrive, I performed two field sobriety tests while she was inside the vehicle (both of which she failed miserably). Ms. Biden was drunk. My sergeant arrived and was advised that it was my belief that she was intoxicated. As a new officer and fully aware of the political implications that could possibly follow, I looked to my superior for guidance.

I had an idea as to how I wanted to see things play out �" a win/win situation! I wanted to have one of the other officers park the vehicle in a parking lot and take Ms. Biden home. A win/win in my book, because she would have been off the road and any political snafu avoided. Is this right? Absolutely not, but when you see where this is headed �" if you don't understand my reasoning thus far you certainly will after hearing the outcome.

I was advised by my sergeant that I was to pull Ms. Biden out of the vehicle, perform the remaining field sobriety tests, and that if she was indeed found to be intoxicated and operating a motor vehicle then she was to be arrested and processed accordingly. Needless to say, when she performed the rest of the field sobriety tests she was barely able to stand let alone perform the tests. I looked to my sergeant for one final guiding point and he raised his arm as if to say "What are you waiting for, arrest her." I did..........
.....Two weeks later I was fired without just cause which they could do because of my probationary status as a new officer.....

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:08 PM

Great!!..you caught it!...paraphrasing is not the same as misquoting, as per aforementioned!!!,,good for you!!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:01 PM

Down's Syndrome doesn't mean Autistic. Autistic doesn't mean Down Syndrome. No point in not getting things like that right.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 03:28 PM

From: Peace
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 01:48 PM

Wanna bet she's pardoned by Bush?

yeah, but then what would you do?..sentence a mother, with and autistic kid to prison, for firing this idiot cop?

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 01:48 PM

Wanna bet she's pardoned by Bush?

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 01:24 PM

Monegan is suing Todd and Sarah Palin for defamation of character.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 06:53 AM

And if theres anything worse than a slimey lying thug....its gotta be a Republican slimey lying thug.

You guys are taking this all very personal.

Calm down! No tazer guns! no more taking mooses!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 04:18 AM

Rezko: no accusations have been made.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac: no connections to Obama.

ACORN: did their job diligently by separating out suspect registration forms (which, by law, they are required to turn in regardless of whether or not they are legitimate), flagging them with a description of the problem with each suspect form, and then turning them in to the authorities while requesting that the authorities investigate and prosecute anyone filling out bogus registration forms.


The above list of smears are an indictment of the people who are making them, not the people being targeted with them. They show that those who are using them to as smear tactics are slimy, lying, thugs.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 03:48 AM

Troopergate??...Rezko Rezko Rezko, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Acorn and Voter Fraud......Troopergate???????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 03:26 AM

Letter from fired police officer to Joe Biden

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:23 AM

Well, that lady is good at denial. She now says the committee report (with a Republican majority membership) clears her of any illegal act and any other ethical wrongdoing. I won't quarrel with her right as Governor to fire her Public Safety Commissioner without reason (even though she had one). But the committee report in its first finding was quite clear that her actions, her husband's actions, and her staff's actions to pressure the Commissioner to fire the trooper were an abuse of ethical standards for personal gain. This lady lies straight-faced; maybe that's what she thinks a "straight-shooter" is.

What makes this case even more ironic is that "abuse of power" is the charge that she used to unseat the previous Republican governor. She should have some familiarity with the concept and she does.

Meanwhile, there a report out on MSNBC that her newly constructed family home in Wasilla was the beneficiary of "in kind donations" from a major building supplier that was subsequently awarded a major contract for a $20 million sports arena. Maybe she learned something from Sen. Stevens. There's nothing like combining the personal goodies with the public good!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:23 AM

Yes, I do remember them. I have one. I guess Sarah got a twofer with her husband... a good man to spend her life with and someone to help her use her public office more effectively to promote what's good for the Palins (hence my comparison to Cheney).

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:09 AM

Sounds like Todd Palin is Sarah Palin's Dick Cheney.

No, only her husband.....remember those?

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:04 AM

Imagine her as President. Hell, she's dumber than Bush--and THAT boggles the mind!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 02:33 PM

"Most would agree that Monegan is truly a class act. And the story of who Sarah Palin chose to replace him is one I covered quite a bit before Sarah's VP nod. Chuck Kopp stepped into the very big shoes of Walt Monegan, and remained there for two whole weeks before slinking away with a $10,000 severance check, embroiled in a sexual harassment scandal. He wasn't properly vetted. Is anyone surprised?"

Above from the Alaskan Mudflats, read the rest Here.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 02:14 PM

She previously had astronomically higher approvals because people hated the "other guys" so much. Now that she has revealed more of her embarrassing self, Alaskans are coming out against her.
Reported in the Anchorage Daily News:

Oct 10
"the same poll places Gov. Sarah Palin's approval rating in Alaska at about 62 percent. That's based on a survey of 500 likely Alaska voters.

Anchorage pollster Ivan Moore released new results this week too, including similar approval numbers for Palin, which he says are slowly falling.

Her positive-to-negative numbers dropped 3 percentage points in the past two weeks, to 65 percent favorable and 30 percent unfavorable, Moore wrote.

That's compared with 68-27 in late September and 82-13 just after McCain chose her as his running mate. "

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 02:03 PM

I thought 80% of people in Alaska thought she was the moose's antlers...

I didn't like her at the start because I thought she sounded mad as a hatter. However I think it has all the makings of a good sit com, and I now find her very entertaining.

Do a lot of people like this get to be State Governors?

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 01:59 PM

But that's pretty typical of a politicians answer to a question like that. "Tell me what your weakness is" - "Well moderator - I guess my weak point is that I love America SO much that I'm willing to work massive amounts of overtime just to GET THE JOB DONE!!!"

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 01:20 PM

She also seems to think Achilles Heel refers to her strengths, not weaknesses, according to the way she answered that question in the debate. I've read discussion of Palin's low SAT scores and barely passing grades in school on the Alaska forums. People there are really getting fed up with how she is reflecting on Alaskans.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 01:14 PM

To me, the most fascinating thing about the whole affair is Gov. Palin's statement that the report exonerated her. Either a monumental lack of comprehension, or an inability to read.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 12:22 PM

I had to laugh at Bill Mahrs comment from Friday nights show. He said that he hoped that Sarah Palin would be sent to jail over this matter. At least she'd be able to complete a full sentence.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 12:11 PM

"I think you should vote for her."


                     So do I!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 12:04 PM

Sounds like Todd Palin is Sarah Palin's Dick Cheney.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:46 AM

Even Teddy Roosevelt didn't stock wild game on the White House lawns. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:40 AM

Just imagine when she's in the Oval Office.

dashing in from soccer matches, tazer guns, troopers in cowboy hats and people taking mooses!

makes Clinton's cigar look a bit poxy and insignificant.

and it sounds fun!

I think you should vote for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 10:39 AM

"Testimony compiled as part of the inquiry, and The Times' own review of e-mail logs from the administration, show that Todd Palin was a fixture in the governor's office, spending about half of his time there," the Los Angeles Times says. "He attended Cabinet meetings that are supposed to be closed to the public, and was copied on a wide variety of high-level government correspondence on issues such as contract negotiations with the police officers union, Alaska Native issues and the privatization of a dairy near the Palins' hometown of Wasilla."

From an article on troopergate today at:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/13/1538435.aspx

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 10:18 AM

I found some!

Sydney Laurence, painter
Susan Butcher, dog musher
Elizabeth Wanamaker Peratrovich, civil rights activist
Jewel, singer
Robert Stroud, Birdman of Alcatraz

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 10:14 AM

wld - We're still waiting for the Robin Hood of Alaska to emerge.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 08:53 AM

There's First Officer William Riker from Star Trek comes from Alaska. Alright, he's a made-up character, but then so are most politicians.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 04:22 AM

This explains why she's got an 80% approval rating - local gal made good. risen to be the second most powerful person in the world - not bad going.

Nottingham's just down the road from me (population 288,900). Lot of famous people from there. I was just thinking there must be some more people from Alaska -whom I heard of, but didn't know they were from Alaska.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 02:25 AM

This link will open a pdf file that is a letter of recommendation written on Wasilla mayor's office stationery by Sarah Palin (complete with spelling errors) to recommend her brother in law, Mike Wooten, for a job in law enforcement.
It is interesting that she not only unethically used the power of her office when she wanted him fired... she also used the power of her office unethically to try to get her relative hired.
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site163/2008/0721/20080721_111415_P

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:32 PM

A vote for McCain is a vote for Palin, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 10:43 PM

I don't see the same possibilities with McCain as president as I do with Obama as president. And the possibilities I do see with a McCain presidency, scare the shit out of me. The possibilities I'm talking about with regard to Obama don't scare me.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 10:13 PM

Ebbie - After seeing what McCain has been through, that argument doesn't move me.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 09:54 PM

Rig, has it occurred to you that the US presidency is awfully hard on its presidents? Look how young and vital Bush looked eight years ago - contrast that with the withered, gray, defeated man you see today. And Bush is hardly the person you would suspect would be that sensitive.

What do you think McCain would look like in, say, two years? He already doesn't look well; his color is terrible.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 09:41 PM

That's true of McCain as well!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 09:40 PM

Re: the question I was asked shortly after my last post...

There are definitely things that Obama says that I disagree with. Quite a few of them. However, I see possibilities with an Obama as president that I don't see with McCain. And I want to give Obama an opportunity to make these possibilities reality. It's possible that he won't do it (and it's also possible that he will). But I will never find out if he doesn't get the opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 09:17 PM

"Cross your fingers that more smart people get out and vote for Obama..."


                        Okay! Why would smart people vote for Obama when there are real problems that need to be addressed in the world?

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 04:29 PM

"GUEST from Sanity" is sounding positively shrill these days, more unbalanced than usual.

but it does make it impossible for Palin to position herself as an ethical and honest politician, a "new" politician, while making accusations about Obama's trustworthiness.

Well, as we see from Alice's posts above and the news sound bites playing, Palin is playing this decision as if it was entirely in her favor, vindicating her behavior and nothing is amiss. Like maybe no one will read the news (or she hasn't read it all) and know the difference.

I suppose it could work--there are still a lot of idiots in America. Dubya actually did get elected the second time. Cross your fingers that more smart people get out and vote for Obama to cancel out the stupid voters this time who are swayed by the Palin popularity contest.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 03:49 PM

Why?

If it's a matter of "famous", I suppose numbers might come into it. If it's a matter of greatness or creativity it's surely pretty irrelevant.

In fact relatively small scale societies probably have a better record than megapolis when it comes to that kind of thing. And people who are into folk music are particularly aware of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 03:29 PM

But what percentage of the global population were those cities, McGrath? Surely 10% of a small population is more significant than 10% of a huge population? Just askin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 03:18 PM

How many "famous" people do you know, weelittledrummer, who come from a town of a half million people?

I suppose it depends what you mean by "famous".

Two cities generally reckoned as highpoints in human culture (which doesn't mean they weren't deeply flawed in other ways) were 5th century Athens and 14th century Florence.

5th Century Athens had about 200,000 people in all.

14th century Florence had maybe 80,000.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 01:17 PM

In the recent poll in Alaska on Palin's approval rating, Rig, it has dropped lower than that among Alaskans. She had astronomically higher approvals because people hated the "other guys" so much. Now that she has revealed more of her embarrassing self, Alaskans are coming out against her.
Reported in the Anchorage Daily News:

Oct 10
"the same poll places Gov. Sarah Palin's approval rating in Alaska at about 62 percent. That's based on a survey of 500 likely Alaska voters.

Anchorage pollster Ivan Moore released new results this week too, including similar approval numbers for Palin, which he says are slowly falling.

Her positive-to-negative numbers dropped 3 percentage points in the past two weeks, to 65 percent favorable and 30 percent unfavorable, Moore wrote.

That's compared with 68-27 in late September and 82-13 just after McCain chose her as his running mate. "

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 12:50 PM

Baked Alaska- works for me.

How many "famous" people do you know, weelittledrummer, who come from a town of a half million people?

I love living in Alaska but she has unique problems. So many people come north because of Alaska's mystique of the "last frontier", a vast place where you can do what you want and no government will bother you, a place where you can hide yourself in the wilderness, build yourself a cozy shack and get away from people, a place where you can live off the land and sea, a place where you don't need money or have to deal with any of the corruptions that modern people accept.

Then they come north - and find it is not true.

But they stay on- and they vote for people they think are like them. We have voted in some real oddballs.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:36 AM

Out of interest....who are the other famous Alaskans?

apart from Baked Alaska.....

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:28 AM

Well, I'm not in Alaska, but I heard last night that her approval ratings have dropped from 82% to 80%. Not much of a format for impeachment. And once the campaign is over, she'll either be back there to shore up her support, or she'll be in Washington, and Alaska will have a new governor anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:20 AM

Well, maybe impeachment in Alaska will come of it, or at least the downfall of her career according to the way Alaskans are now turning against her. Guess you think that isn't "very much".

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:11 AM

In any event, it doesn't look like much of anything will become of it!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:08 AM

From the mudflats of Alaska,
"If you want to read Lisa Demer's full account, and hear the interview in the Governor's own voice: Click here   That way you can just, you know, hear her talkin' to the people, and bein' what she is, also, and gettin' her statement out there and rufflin' feathers so as to serve the people of Alaska there also."