BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?

Subject: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 04:39 PM

Place yer bets here.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 04:53 PM

If they can hold off until mid-November, then maybe....

Chongo?

Hmm. But are the liberals ready for as gutsy a leader as Chongo? I'm bettin' that they are too chicken...

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 04:54 PM

joe le plombier

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: bobad
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 04:54 PM

Gerard Kennedy is a fresh face, young, progressive (executive director of Toronto's Daily Bread food Bank for 10 years) politically experienced and without the baggage some of the other potential candidates are toting. Might be worth a look.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 04:54 PM

They'd have ta be bananas!

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 04:57 PM

They'd have ta be willing to go out on a limb.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 04:57 PM

Oops... X-posted... in response to "Chongo".

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 07:25 PM

It'll be either Dryden or McKenna.

Rae might work, but it'll never happen. Too much Ontario baggage.

But please, anybody but Iggy.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 08:16 PM

Whatever happened to Gerard Kennedy? I had hopes for him in the last Grits leadership race.

Think the Liberals have the guts to run with a leader NOT from Quebec?

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:32 AM

Hehehee....

Subject: RE: BS: Is Stephen Harper's Rule Ending ?
From: Jim Lad - PM
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:03 AM

Don Cherry

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 08:13 AM

Rick Mercer.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 08:21 AM

Rick? Yeah, I'd vote for him is he was bilingamal.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Peace
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 10:28 AM

We're gonna end up with McKenna.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: bobad
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 10:38 AM

I'd be a bit wary of McKenna's coziness with big business since leaving politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:30 PM

Nah... he's a Mirimichi lad and he's got money enough not to need to suck arse. Trouble is, he won't run... UNLESS he feels it's his duty. And, he's said many times that ten years of service was his committment, he did it, he left... as he said he would (he could still be Premier if he wanted). And, he's a man of his word... unless...

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:50 PM

I think he (McKenna) is too smart (and honourable) to run for public office again ... he's seen and had a taste of it ... did what he had to do and did it well.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Charmion
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:02 PM

Ignatieff, or Ken Dryden. You heard it here first.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: GUEST,Joe Kebecker
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:25 PM

The liberal party will appoint an interim leader to resupply the coffers (with stolen taxpayers money again) Then after much internal strife and media hype, John Charest will meekly offer to champion the cause, and crossover (once again) to become the next annointed liberal "saviour of Canada". Dragging a reluctant Justin Trudeau (as the next generation) to consolidate Quebecs domination of Canadian Politics. All this fully supported by the (politically neutral)CBC fanfare; and with much rejoicing by the left wing fanatics who run the media. In the meantime, the Bloc will hold the balance of power until the coronation of Charest. So predictable it is a farce.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Beer
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:37 PM

I'd back Dryden. Has been slowly getting the experience and he would please the Canadian fans which happen to have a few Quebec fans
ad.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:52 PM

Joe! Bah geeze oh! That sounds quite likely... but, Charest might be seen as untrustworthy by some. Of course, there might be just as many old PC's who would vote for him BECAUSE he once was in their ranks. Perhaps they would see his turncoat move as simply ensuring he could "fight again another day"?

Now, if Ken Dryden, as sIx has alluded to, was able to make a deal with Trudeau, ya got another Cup in fours straight!! I mean, what red-blooded Canuck wouldn't vote for a hocky legend? And, them there hockey mom's would love to see Justin stick handle.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Peace
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:56 PM

Ken Dryden has already held the country's top job (goal tender for the Habs), so why would he want to take a step backwards?

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:11 PM

He took that step... he became a lawyer... now, he might wanna climb back up.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:22 PM

good one gnu !

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 03:32 PM

I think he (McKenna) is too smart (and honourable) to run for public office again ... he's seen and had a taste of it ... did what he had to do and did it well
-number 6

It occurs to me that the name "McKenna" is awfully similar to the name of one of the American presidential candidates. Maybe come November 5th, that other one will realize that he has had enough of public office, though I don't think those adjectives used above truly fit him.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: bankley
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 02:16 PM

I know it'll never happen but....personally, I like Carolyn Parrish... she got booted out of the Liberal caucus for her outspoken anti-Bush comments, as well as other remarks about the Liberal Party, 'The Coalition of Idiots', missile defense sheild etc ... she had more balls than than the rest of the 'caucus' put together and was only one of two MPs* that addressed the huge demonstration throng gathered on Parilament Hill when GWB came to Ottawa... the Liberals have to clean up their act bigtime, no matter which new talking head they choose...





*the other MP was Jack Layton

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 03:28 PM

Chongo is way better than any of those bums! Only trouble is, he doesn't have dual citizenzhip. He's Ay-murican. Gonna have to do something about that soon.

He speaks English way better than Jean Chretien did, but his French is barely passable. So a French immersion course is in order, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 03:52 PM

Unlike in the USA a naturalized citizen could become our leader so there is some hope for Chongo yet! He certainly wouldn't monkey around!

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:36 AM

How about Elizabeth May, wouldn't that hurl the cat among the pigeons.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 08:38 AM

Well, Frank said NO yesterday.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Bee
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 12:26 PM

I was afraid Frank would say no. I'm not backin' anybody until I see more clearly what the menu offers. Rick Mercer had a nice little rant a couple weeks ago about the Liberals stupid delegate system for voting for party leader. I agree with him.

Just please, please, NOT Iggy!

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: bobad
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 12:42 PM

Justin Trudeau top pick for Liberal leader: poll

Norma Greenaway, Canwest News Service Published: Tuesday, October 28, 2008

"........Among Canadians of all parties, it said, Mr. Trudeau finished first with 16 per cent of the vote. He also scored the most support among those aged 18 to 55, and he was the hands-down favourite among women voters.

Michael Ignatieff, the party's current deputy leader, and Frank McKenna, the former New Brunswick premier who announced Tuesday he would not be a candidate, were tied for second with 12% of the vote. The two men also were the most popular choice among Canadians 55 and older, each garnering 16% of the vote. Toronto MP Bob Rae, a former NDP premier of Ontario, finished in third spot at nine per cent.

Other potential contenders were well back. John Manley, a former deputy leader, had five per cent, and Toronto MP Gerard Kennedy, a former leadership candidate, had three per cent. New Brunswick MP Dominic LeBlanc, who has all but officially declared his candidacy, and Toronto-area MPs Martha Hall Findlay and Ruby Dhalla each registered one per cent."

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Bee
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 01:00 PM

Dammit, they didn't ask me, and I'm over 55.

And relevant to that, I have never in my life been invited to take part in a political poll. Yet here I sit, with the same land-line phone number I've had for fourteen years - the pollsters have no excuse except that they never poll outside urban centres.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 02:30 PM

I sincerely hope Justin does NOT offer. He could be a great PM, but, not now. He's just a pup and not yet weened.

Now, Dominic LeBlanc... I know, I know, BUT... I'll bet you that the power brokers are very seriously considering him. Whoever gets the job will have to do what Frank said he was not willing to do FOR SUCH A LONG TIME. LeBlanc has some very "old" and very powerful connections. If he was chosen to weather the storms of the next four to ten years (that there Harpie broke his own law, right?), it would leave the playing field wide open for himself, Justin, even Frank... hmmm... even Frank... hmmmm...

The thought plickens.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Bee
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 02:41 PM

I agree Justin is not ready, not so much too young but that he doesn't have enough experience, or hasn't really revealed his strengths.

I really wish the people who are starstruck over Ignatieff would take a harder look at him. I think he is in position to be the most likely pick among the tiny number of Liberals that actually have a say in who the leader will be. His whole life consists of a series of scenarios wherein he routinely ditches his family, friends, colleagues in order to make a move up in the world. I don't think he has much of a conscience left, and I don't want him leading our country. I think I'd vote for Stevie first, and that's scary.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 03:45 PM

Re Justin... exactly... not weened. Just a backbencher. Never even got to close the door inside a cabinet meeting. Same for Dom, but I wonder about a "deal", even with Justin.

As for Iggy, no worries. There would have to be some serious breakdowns in the chain for that to happen.

Ya know, if Martin had not been such a nice guy, he might be able to come back. His heart does seem in the right place. Of course, I haven't read his book yet, and a book is just words.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 06:04 PM

(sigh)

I liked the good old days when we had to choose between John Turnip, Ned Knockwurst and Myron Baloney. That was fun! ;-) In the end it was Baloney who won it and we all get to know a very memorable word.

Meech.

God, I love the sound of that. Meech. Meech. Meeeeeeech. Meech! One just never gets tired of saying that lovely word... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 06:23 PM

You are a sick ****.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 06:24 PM

And I mean that in the nicest, sickest, way.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 08:10 PM

The only winable place for the liberal party is to position itself again in the middle.(That rules Rae out). The far left and far right is taken. I suspect Ontario and Quebec, large voting block areas, are siginificant to this party. But who could bring them in? Beats me.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 09:09 PM

Gordon Pinsent.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Bee
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 09:27 PM

Gordon Lightfoot.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 09:30 PM

Gordon Sinclair.

No, wait. He's no longer with us.

But then again, neither is Ignatieff. I hope people know that.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 09:41 PM

Gordie Howe

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 09:48 PM

Gord Downie.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:20 AM

Howdy Doody.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 02:24 AM

Don Cherry? That'd shake things up some.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 03:10 AM

Arsely Macisaac.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:35 AM

Tom Green, Nancy Green, Red Green
Conrad Black, Bob White, Dominic Leblanc

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: bobad
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 08:51 AM

It's time for a leader from the First Nations community.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Mooh
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 08:58 AM

Pilfered from another site and unattributed:

Liberal Leadership Contenders:

The New Old Guard: Bob Rae, Mike Ignatieff

The Regular Old Guard: John Manley, Brian Tobin

Blast from the Past: Frank McKenna

I'm the Guy Who Got Dion In: Gerard Kennedy

The Heroes: Ken Dryden, Marc Garneau

Token Woman: Martha Hall Findlay

Hello Sailor: Scott Brison

DIVINE RIGHT: Justin Trudeau

Red Green makes more sense than all of them.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Willie-O
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 10:10 AM

Who the hell knows what's going to happen in the Liberal Party? I mean, who knew last time?

At the moment, I am in agreement with Charmion. You heard it here first. I like Dryden, (really liked his speech last time, he's a guy with both substance and mass recognition/appeal--I don't know why the party delegates didn't see that but he never had a chance with them) but still see Iggy as front-runner for better, worse or Liberal; if Manley commits it'll be interesting.

If they put their party back together sufficiently, it might be PM Ignatieff or whomever gets the keys to 24, but I would be totally unsurprised to see Elizabeth May as the next Liberal Minister of the Environment. (I admire her but can't quite figure out her game at the moment; the latter is also true of a lot of her own current party). And M Dion as a senior minister, perhaps External Affairs; he has shown his competency at that level before.   

All of this is secondary to the big question of how to re-align enough of the four parties in the centre-to-left that are splitting the majority of votes, and giving the Conservatives a free ride.

Perhaps that's for another thread. I don't have time to get started on the matter now.
Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: bankley
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 11:26 AM

Dr. Stompin' Tom Conners......and he'll be on a postage stamp soon..
he'd kick some ass... literally.... and maybe the price of beer and smokes would come down....

'The best man in Ottawa was Mufferaw Joe'

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:01 PM

How about Ricky from Trailer Park Boys, with Julian as his senior advisor behind the scenes and Bubbles as Deputy Prime Minister? Ricky can take his way out of everything. Julian won't back down and is always there when you need him. Bubbles is smarter than he looks.

Think about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:13 PM

Sorry, I meant to say that Ricky can talk his way out of anything. And that is a very valuable attribute for a politician. He also has nice hair, it's almost like Reveen's. ;-) He would be able to make the ordinary public understand concepts like "supply and command". If it ever proved necessary to "refuckulate" the Constitution, I think he would be up to doing that, no problems. He seldom loses his credulence.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: GUEST,Arnie
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:16 PM

Where's our Obama? Will a Canadian politician please show an honest and determined face to show that they want to really help people instead of always being blatant and overt political opportunists. Someone we can believe in?
So far- no.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:21 PM

Awww, geez, Arnie! You're, like, really askin' fer the sky, eh?

Yup, Obama-envy is hitting Canadian politics just like gettin' slapped across the face with a piece of fresh halibut right about now....

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:45 PM

Fresh halibut? Too expensive. BTW. I hear the price of lobster is about to drop as the Yanks just ain't buyin any. Cept fer them fellahs what scuttled the boat and had to be bailed out. Throw yer traps overboard and the government buys ya new ones. Nice work if ya can get it. Net thread drift? Sorry....

Bill... yeah... Dryden. I can see that. And, your other comments are spot on.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 03:53 PM

Why not bestow duel Canada-USA citizenship to Palin. If she loses next week, just recycle her as a liberal. I'd wager she'd "track and bag" Harper within a year. I would even wager on her in a cage fight against May.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 04:17 PM

New cabinet... 38 ministers? 38?

Canada has lost a $12-billion surplus under this asshole and he is rewarding.... oh, nevermind... makes me sick.

Paul Martin... come back... PLEASE!

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Bee
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:07 PM

When have Conservatives ever been fiscally responsible while yelling about how stingy they really are?

Paul Martin? Heck with that, merge Martin and Chretien in a single cloned body, or a disembodied brain in a jar and have It run until Justin or someone else with a clue shows up.

Or elect the gawddamn NDP for once and give them a chance at running the country - they can't do any worse than Stevie's doing, and might actually get a little useful practice in before the Liberals win another election.

Two years 'til the next election? Not a chance. I give it eight months tops with the unemployment stats skyrocketing as the oilsands grinds to a profitless halt and other sectors stagnant or dropping.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:49 PM

Two years?... less? My darlin, better peel another turnip... the back of the stove is gonna be occupied longer than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: meself
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:54 PM

What's so great about Justin? Serious question.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 07:06 PM

That's really hard to say at this point.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 04:15 PM

"Premier Jean Charest ended weeks of speculation Wednesday by calling a provincial election for Dec. 8."

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 07:23 PM

A plate of poutine.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 07:30 PM

A bottle of Molson's Canadian.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: bobad
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 07:32 PM

"A bottle of Molson's Canadian."

It won't sell in Quebec.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: bankley
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 09:13 PM

"Le Fin du Monde" ou "Maudite"

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Beer
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 09:24 PM

F*%$^#.. Here we go again. Just when I thought there was going to be a little rest. Charest is right though. Even if the population is against it. He is taking one hell of a chance but I feel it will work for him. He is putting all the eggs in one basket in saying the economy is going to get worst and with a minority government it will be to difficult to make decisions. I'll back him on this one even thought I'm not a big fan. But then again, I'm not going to vote for either of the other two options.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 09:35 PM

oh merde !

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 08:09 AM

Everybody's got election fever right now.

Somebody give me a ballot.

For anything.

I don't care. I just wanna vote for something.

Or against something.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 10:32 AM

Quebec is a 'have-not' province and receives more than the others in transfer federal transfer payments. over $8,000,000,000. Ontario has recently joined the ranks by accepting approx. $350,000,000..

The squeaky wheel gets la graisse


B.C. and Alberta remain 'have' provinces

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: bobad
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 10:37 AM

"B.C. and Alberta remain 'have' provinces"

And we now have Newfoundland in that exclusive club also.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 03:50 PM

But, they are still gonna kill them fuckin seals.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 03:58 PM

Dominic is getting some swell from the old guard. His old man may be callin in favours??? And, ah, he has an "advisor" quite handy. Might even pull a few strings up there on Bay Street?? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.... don't blink. Ya might miss it!

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: bankley
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 08:43 PM

NFLD, you say ! who woulda thunk it.....and not a Fed Conservative in the pack...

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 03:59 PM

Kennedy says no.

Let the annointment continue!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 02:36 AM

Please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please not Iggy.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:31 PM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhggggghhhhhh.... you and yer.....

&*^%%^*$(&&*)^%$@%&*(*&Y*(&*()^!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 02:30 PM

So... Bob's yer uncle, Dom (Nic?) is yer nephew, and Iggy is... real iggy, isn't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:12 PM

I wish Iggy Poop would shut up and support a better candidate instead of muddying the waters. But that's the Liberal way, isn't it.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Beer
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:52 PM

Iggy Harper number #2

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:55 PM

The Liberal party, more than any other, needs a STRONG leader to keep those chaotic buggers in line.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Beer
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:59 PM

Yep!, but who?
At the moment Iggy is going to take it hands down.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 07:04 PM

There's Bob Rae.


(ya, like THAT's gonna happen)

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 07:49 AM

Weasel One, Weasel Two and Dominic.... I'm tellin ya... as it stands right now... Dominic. I'll bet his old man is on the phone constantly, between naps.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 08:09 AM

Ya know... I just thought... Dom's old man's name is Roméo-ADRIEN... hmmmmmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 11:19 AM

Last time around the Liberal Party Of Canada was given a choice between a Canadian who wasn't really a Liberal and a Liberal who wasn't really a Canadian. It surprised everyone, including itself, by choosing a Canadian Liberal. But this time around I'm betting on the Liberal who isn't really a Canadian. He's the one who had originally been decided upon in hushed conversations between comfy armchairs in the Rideau Club reading room.

As for Chongo, why would he want to be P. M.? Chongo Messy already has the most important job in Canada, host of CBC Radio's flagship programme. Besides, the darn chimp can't even spell his own name.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 01:54 PM

Yessiree, Bob. That last minute score after the goalie was pulled was a hell of a surprise.

If anyone thinks Stevie is sucking up and Brian sold us down the river, just watch the Yankee Canuck if he gets in... Liberal my ass! I think he should be sent packing back to where he really comes from.

Ahhh... for our Yankee brothers and sisters, that is not in any way a slight on youse. Easiest way to explain the feelings of many Canucks about Iggy is... Bush of the North.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 04:38 PM

Except he's real smart. More like Cheney Canada, perhaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 12:58 PM

Oh!! Got a PM. Sorry....

Dom's Dad

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 12:59 PM

Try again.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:00 PM

It works when I test it....????

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:01 PM

http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/people/key/SP-BL/sen/index.asp?Language=E¶m=1&id=401

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:03 PM

Weird! When I paste it in here, it changes the addy when I post it.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:04 PM

Biography
The Rt. Hon. Romeo LeBlanc was appointed Speaker of the Senate on 7 December 1993. He resigned as Speaker and from the Senate on his appointment as Governor General, an office he assumed on 8 February 1995.

Senator LeBlanc was born at L'Anse-aux-Cormier, Memramcook, New Brunswick on 18 December 1927. He was educated at St. Joseph University and the University of Paris. Early on in his career he worked as a journalist and then taught for a few years at Moncton's teachers college. In 1959 he returned to journalism, signing on as the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (Radio Canada) correspondent for New Brunswick and later working in the Ottawa bureau before winning postings as a foreign correspondent in first London and then Washington.

Senator LeBlanc's political career began in 1967 when Prime Minister Pearson called on him to serve as his Press Secretary. He stayed on in this position when Pierre Eliot Trudeau replaced Mr. Pearson as leader of the Liberal Party and as Prime Minister in 1968. In 1972 he successfully ran for the Liberals in the New Brunswick riding of Westmoreland-Kent, a riding he continued to represent until 1984. As Minister of Fisheries in three of Prime Minister Trudeau's cabinets, he was responsible for extending Canada's coastal fishing zone from 12 to 200 miles. He also served as Minister of the Environment when this responsibility was grouped with Fisheries, and as Minister of Public Works.

Senator LeBlanc was summoned to the Senate in June 1984 on the eve of the general elections. He was elected Chairman of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration in 1988 at the beginning of the 1st Session of the 34th Parliament. He also sat on the Foreign Affairs Committee and on the Sub-Committee on Security and National Defence and was a member of the Canada-France Parliamentary Association and the International Association of French-speaking Parliamentarians. He was appointed Speaker on 7 December 1993. After less than a year in office, he resigned as Speaker and from the Senate on his appointment as Governor General, a post which he held until October 1999.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:17 PM

Senators... NB 8, NS 7, PEI 3, NF 5. Total is 94. 20% from The Maritimes. 25% from Atlantic Canada. Of course, they are all c... politicians too.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 03:37 PM

What ever happened to the Senate Reform the now-Conservatives were so big on a few years ago?

(I never understood how the Conservatives and the Reform Party could ally... Aren't those two party's ideals mutually exclusive? Then again the term Progressive Conservative is kind of an oxymoron.)

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 05:55 PM

"I never understood how the Conservatives and the Reform Party could ally"

Mutual self-interest brought them together. As long as they existed apart it guaranteed that they would both never win another election.

The Liberals, who see themselves as "the natural governing party of Canada, haven't become desperate enough yet to resort to the same imperative and form an alliance with the NDP. ;-) As for the NDP, they're already well accustomed to the idea they can't win a federal election, so they're not desperate enough to join with the Liberals either. Not even close.

Furthermore, the success of the Bloc Quebecois strictly in Quebec has thrown a new wrinkle into the equation that none of the old parties had anticipated. The Liberals always counted on Quebec to tip the balance and get them elected, but with the Bloc doing well in Quebec, that gambit doesn't work anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 05:55 PM

And how about that Obama envy, eh? (grin)

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 06:03 PM

Well, the avearge Canuck said, "What the fuck? That would be one step away from mob rule." Having the Upper House membership decided on by the general public? Why... the next step would be asking Joe Public to vote on propositions on ballots like they do in The States. Ludicrous beyond all common sense!

Remember that dashing young man on the sailing machine? The one that proposed a referendum be granted if 350,000 Canucks signed up? 22 Minutes kicked his ass on behalf of every sane Canuck and Doris had to slink away. Same deal. Mob rule.

We have an excellent political system. It shows... well, it did before the politicians got money fever, anyway. Can you say "offshore"?

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 07:02 PM

Mob rule? The will of the common man? Horrors! It sounds too much like...democracy.

No, it's much safer to simply place power in the hands of a rich and unnamed elite of bankers and major corporation CEOs, right? ;-) They wouldn't act against the common interests of the ordinary citizens, would they???

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 05:53 AM

That's why it's so important for us to choose our leaders wisely and hold them accountable. The accountability part has been sorely missing. And the lack of voter participation indicates that "wise" choices are not available.

Re accountability... not only at the polls, but in the courts. I don't want to get into that, but I am sure a couple of instances come to most Canucks immediately. Especially if you are thinking about a vacation involving flying to a golf resort.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 02:18 PM

Apropos of the above, Bob Rae apparently walked out of a Liberal Party meeting on the future of the party and the leadership race because Ignatieff insisted that it be held behind closed doors while Rae wanted it conducted with free and open access to the public.

I'd have to side with Bob Rae on this one. It doesn't bode well for the Liberal Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 04:05 PM

Well, it's party policy, so Bob was just making an ass of himself, again.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 04:36 PM

If it is party policy, is it a good one?

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 06:45 PM

Doing shit behind closed doors was what lost the Liberals their #1 spot in Ought Six. I am with Bob on this move.

Little Hawk is right about The Bloc. Though lots of people question the "appropriateness" of a federal party which is anti-federal and doesn't run for seats across Canada, it's somewhat good for the rest of Canada. Though it gets Quebec's issues brought forth in the House, and provides Duceppe with a bargaining chip for alliances come MP votin' time, it really does Quebec out of their trad bit of leverage in the Federal elections.

As long as Quebeckers vote as a block for the Bloc, they don't get to decide which party forms our government, like they used to with their 75 seats (second only to Ontario's 106). Quebec usually voted almost unilaterally behind one party or another, swinging elections and putting in majority governments.

The Bloc will never form a government party; the best it can hope for is Official Opposition (in a set of freaky deaky circumstances) or as moody little brother of a coalition . They have effectively taken themselves out of the equation with the Bloc, re: electing the government. The government is decided by the rest of the provinces... especially Ontario, though that province is quite balkanized in its party support.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 11:41 PM

Dead right, Cluin. It's a whole new ball game now. Quebec no longer controls the agenda as to who becomes the governing party in Canada.

For the Liberals the rise of the Bloc must have come as a terrible shock. They used to generally depend on the Quebec vote to give them a solid majority...and it's why they so often went for party leaders who were from Quebec. This resulted in an unhealthy national situation and it caused great resentment of Quebec in English Canada. That wasn't good for Quebec, nor was it good for the rest of the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 01:42 AM

The Bloc is another legacy we can thank Lyin' Brian Mulroney for. It was dissatisfaction with the other Federal parties that resulted in the formation of the Bloc, thanks largely to the failing of the Meech Lake Accord. The atomic jawed BM promised Quebeckers something he couldn't deliver: a Constitutional veto on a silver platter.

Canada had a rarity... a referendum and spoke out loud and clear: NO vague loopholes to tie the Constitution up in the courts and provide fortunes to lawyers arguing useless points in perpetuity. Separatists ground away on their own hatchets and called it a vote against Quebec, but it wasn't. It was a vote against a lousy package full of vague wording and ill-thought-out compromises.

I hear Brian Mulroney still thinks he was the greatest and most-loved PM Canada ever had.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 01:57 AM

Brian Mulroney's delusions in that respect are, I suppose, as grand as his chin. ;-)

Bob Stanfield could sell underwear
And Trudeau could certainly swear
But Brian Mulroney
Just gave us the looney
Aside from a lot of hot air

Joe Clark had not much of a chin
But "Don't worry!" said Brian to him
I can take up the slack
And lead the attack
For mine's long as the road to Berlin

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 05:21 AM

"If it is party policy, is it a good one?"

Don't make no nevermind. Iggy, no matter how much I despise the rat bastard, was following party policy, along with the REST of the party, and Bob takes a hissy fit like a weeny child for a photo-op instead of acting like a gentleman. That don't earn no points wit the girls I goes wit.

I wonder.... IF Bob's yer uncle, do you think Stevie and Jack will play up the turncoat issue, thereby attempting to spread mistrust, or go the opposite way in case NDPers might turn their support to a double-agent? Intriguing, no?

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 11:13 AM

The trouble with politicians is they play too much politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 12:52 PM

Yeah, that's it all right. They're in a profession which, by its very nature, is beholden to huge, entrenched special interests. Yet they must attempt to or at least pretend to attempt to represent the common public. This requires an act, one that might be compared to the performances of the Tin Man, the Scarecrow, and the Cowardly Lion...while the Great Oz (a group of rich men in suits) remains forever hidden behind the impenetrable facade of government. It's all rather sad, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 02:37 PM

Very sad, indeed, Cluin and LH. But, we could elect Dominic. The folk round aboutst where he comes from are "backbone" types... lumber, fishing...

If he sold the country down the river or took dirty money, he'd never get taken to court. He'd be stinkin up the pot right quick (lobster bait).

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 03:10 PM

Old style (medieval) politics, right, gnu?

I think Canada's House of Commons could use more fist fights. It always looks so cool when other countries do it.

Maybe even old style duels.

It might bring the passion and interest back into politics for more Canadians and mean a better turn-out at the ballot box on 'Lection Day.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 12:58 PM

Back when it was a 3-way race between Brian Mulroney, John Turner, and Ed Broadbent, I envisioned this scene unfolding during one of the televised debates between the 3 candidates:

Following a spirited exchange of accusations and counter-accusations between Mulroney and Turner, as Broadbent looks fretfully on waiting for a chance to jump in and score a devastating point, John Turner suddenly loses his temper altogether, points his shaking finger at Brian Mulroney and says,

"You, sir, are nothing but a pompous pontificating poseur who has led this country precipitately down the pandering path to perdition...you and your smarmy wife Mila with her perky smile and her phony lively enthusiasm...."

At which Mulroney turns white, steps away from his lectern, and advances grimly on Turner, saying, "Don't you DARE say that about my wife, you miserable Liberal scumbag!"

As the members of the press stand transfixed in frozen astonishment, Turner and Mulroney leap on each other like mad dogs and roll around on the stage attempting to throttle one another. Microphone stands tumble, feedback screeches from the sound system, and pandemonium ensues.

Ed Broadbent rushes forward and attempts to separate the combatants. "Gentlemen!" he blurts, "You forget yourselves! We are on national TV!"

Turner and Mulroney release their bulldog grip on one another for an instant, glare at Broadbent with mutual looks of pure hatred, and both of them sieze the NDP politician by the arms, swing him vigorously back, then hurl him bodily off the stage into the orchestra pit! They then resume their violent fisticuffs upon one another careening around the stage and wrecking havoc as studio technicians and a number of RCMP officers storm onstage trying desperately to restore order.

At the height of the confusion Ed Broadbent reappears! Leaping back onto the stage, he utters a shrill cry of inarticulate fury and hurls himself upon Mulroney and Broadbent. The three of them fall off the stage in a mingled ball of kicking, gouging, biting, hair-pulling frenzy as the TV screens around the country suddenly go blank and are replaced by.....

******

WE ARE EXPERIENCING TECHNICAL PROBLEMS

PLEASE STAND BY

*******

Would have made for one hell of a memorable election, wouldn't it? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 03:31 PM

Another sacrificial lamb... John.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 06:27 PM

Does Romeo Leblanc now have Alzheimers? I heard this is so, and that he does not now recognize anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 06:33 PM

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/sto

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 07:03 PM

I talked to Romeo on the phone in late winter. He seemed fine to me. But, that don't mean squat, even back then... with OldTimers, you can be fine on the phone and piss in the clothes hamper next.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Beer
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 10:12 PM

Gnu you brought up an old memory that i have to relate. Can it be tied into politics I'm sure someone can.

Years ago when my son was about 3 and not 34 he came down stairs one evening when me wife and I were watching T.V. This was around 10 in the evening. I watched him walk by us and go into the laundry room. My wife asked me what Aaron was doing. I said he was having a pee. She said , "In the Laundry Room?'. I got up and went in the room and asked "What are you doing?" He said "Nothing". Proceeded to give it a shake with a little shiver then turned around and went back up stairs to bed. He had pissed in all of my wife's baskets that were filled with balls of wool.
Thanks for bringing back this memory Gnu.


Back to the topic.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 11:12 PM

Strange that no one has suggested Celine Dion yet...

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 10:01 AM

That's sick.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 12:37 PM

Hey! It could be a whole new fresh start for Canadian politics.

Look, if Paris Hilton can run for president, why shouldn't Celine get to live at 24 Sussex Drive? I predict that once there, her term would go on...and on....

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 01:10 PM

Hahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!! GOOD ONE, LH!

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 04:08 PM

gnu - I got my information from a friend that worked for Romeo for quite a few years, and recently visited him at his residence.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 04:17 PM

Oh my. What a shame. When I talked to him, he was to visit my Mum to see a video magnifier she had just purchased. His eyesight was bad - a LeBlanc curse which I am destined for if I live that long. He had just misjudged a curb and fell, injuring himself quite badly. But, he never showed up, so.... ???

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 05:29 PM

Chretien gives Iggy true Shawinigan handshake

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: ollaimh
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 10:10 PM

who the hell is chongo?

if the next election leaves the cons a minority--no certainty--then the liberals may go back to the french english taking turns. that heavily leans to leblanc or trudeau.

justin trudeau has been doing a lot to rebuild the party in quebec,but the fruit of that may still be two elections off.
but we do need rescue from these neo cons who are driving us into insolvency faster thasn any previuos government with their irresponsible tax cuts and equally irrespobsible spending sprees/ eighty billion at least beofre the economic downturn. id martin were still in power we would have been free of deficit untill next year and then not the record the cons have set.

harper and his cronies are bought and sold by oil interests who are the people of the past , stopping the changes needed untill the last minute

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 02:53 PM

$54B estimate now.

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 02:59 PM

"who the hell is chongo?"

Chongo is a monkey which is Little Hawk's alter ego.

It's complicated, but somewhat tiresome and boring ... don't worry about it ... you'll get the picture after a while.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Liberal Party Leader... who?
From: ollaimh
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 01:25 PM

the state ofn our corporate controlled media is terrible. they used to ask the hartd questions, back thirty years ago if a politician proposed to solve things by free votes in parliament they would have hounded him to say how he'd vote on each and every issue, and then poll his cacus. the one time this was asked of harper his cronies shouted down the qwuestioner--julie van dussen. and that ewas that

they let him off the hook with a pure fudge.

and the treatement of dion whose green shift was less than the us or most european counrties. we have become the enviornmental neanderthalls of the developed world and reversed the good fiscal management.

the tar sands will destroy the second lasgest water shed in north america before they are through and the oil men who own harper will tell canada to pay for the clean up because alberts will be broke by then. hell in a hand cart