BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression

Subject: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Supression
From: lisa null
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 12:44 PM

The airwaves still pulse with talk about the "Bradley Effect," and a friend of mine worries that this could be floated by those who want to soften the electorate up to "buy" this theory should the reported poll counts prove significantly different than the voting results themselves. He says the pundits are parroting this hypothesis instead of asking, "who is pushing this?"

With concern, he wrote a letter to his congressman saying:

" Here's the scenario that worries me. That scenario is tampering with
computers in key battleground states so they report a narrow win by
Republicans, then blame the discrepancy between the electoral outcome and the polls on "hidden racism".

As a nation, we have been pre-conditioned to accept hidden racism and false responses to pollsters as plausible explanations for an election-day reversal of what the polls predict."

"Do Democrats have a contingency plan for dealing with this scenario?"

That's the question he wants to ask, and it might be worth airing that same question here.

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Supression
From: Amos
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 12:51 PM

That's a tough, sharp question. Uncompromising legal and investigative actions launched at the first hint of vote malfeasance (mechanical, electronic, or socially engineered) should be made the first line of defence.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Supression
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 12:54 PM

Start with ACORN!

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Amos
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 03:00 PM

ACORN, ding-dong, has commited no vote fraud; it has instead been defrauded by low-wage temp workers. It has taken all reasonable measures to ensure any bogus registrations are brought to the Registrar's attention. Why do you insist on making this shit look like something it ain't? Stick to the facts, you!!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 03:12 PM

It may be a case of "softening" the electorate, but isn't the reverse also true - if Obama loses, won't we blame it on a "fixed" election once again?   From what I am seeing - there is more mention of Obama's high poll numbers than there is of the Bradley effect. The press has the McCain handlers all but packing up the boxes and shutting off the lights behind the scenes.

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Barry Finn
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 03:45 PM

There is also the noted "reverse Bradley Effect". Reporters have noticed in many rural areas that many are saying that they're voting for Obama but don't want their neighbors to know until after the election. This was reported in what was once areas that were republican strongholds.
It seems that the republicans are also losing their long time bases, both the House & Senate looks to be Democratic veto proof that with a Democratic administration will be a blessing that hasn't happened since the 60's. IT'S ABOUT TIME, I'm so thrilled!
Now to work on a Lib/real Supreme Court.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 04:46 PM

ACORN has sent half a dozen blokes off to a plastic surgeon to make them look like Joe the Plumber. They will all be voting in Ohio.

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 05:51 PM

Maryland & Virginia plan to throw out voting machines and go back to paper ballots. (In time for 2010 elections) Maryland, (where I vote) has no paper trail or other way to cross-check ballots. Maryland is pretty safe for Democrats, but Virginia is not. We're heading in the right direction

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 09:48 PM

This is certainly a question that has crossed my mind more than a few times. I definitely think there's a very real possibility (probability) that this is what they are trying to do. A whole bunch of early voters in West Virginia who voted for Obama/Biden have reported that the machines registered their votes for Obama/Biden as votes for McCain/Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 09:53 PM

There is no such thing as the "Bradley Effect." One California pundit pondered it as a possiblity and it somehow became etched in stone. It has been disproven. It doesn't exist.

Why waste your time worrying about it?

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 09:58 PM

Whether or not it exists, the Republicans are promoting it as if it was a real thing. The fact that they are doing so makes me think they intend to use it as cover for taking the election through widespread election fraud (along with their bogus campaign against ACORN).

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 10:01 PM

In Australia, we have a Govt body that deals with all the electoral rolls - anybody else is not welcome to stick their noses in their business. Unlike USA, Public Servants here have a 'British code' that they are 'above politics' - see 'Yes Minster' - and they insist on doing things 'correctly' - well their version anyway - but they insist on being 'bloody mindedly fair'...

A couple of young pollies in training (they were on the Uni of Qld Student Council when I was, funnily enough!) tried a few rorts, and got caught - and got booted out of their parties.

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Nov 08 - 08:39 PM

ACORN is at the root of the whole thing!

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Nov 08 - 08:49 PM

"ACORN has sent half a dozen blokes off to a plastic surgeon to make them look like Joe the Plumber. They will all be voting in Ohio."Rig

Ha. That is not impressive. Do you realize how thinly "half a dozen blokes" would spread across the nation? When you can assure me that ACORN has remade 6 thousand blokes to look like Ohio's Plumber Joe I will be suitably impressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Nov 08 - 08:54 PM

I understand the RNC is short on surgeons!

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 08 - 08:54 PM

Well, in most state's the election is still in the hands of the Repubs... That's a bad thing at a time when the Dems are poised to knock them out and so...

... yeah, there are more schemes than can be addressed to supress Democratic turnout... Here in Virginia letters were sent out saying that the Repubs would vote on Tuesday and the Dems on Wednesday???

Yes, voter suppression is in full swing...

Even all these stories about having to stand in line for hoursand hours adds to voter supression... Voting oughtta be like it is in the rich neighborhoods... Half an hour at worst... But get into the poorer neigborhoods and it's 4 hours???

Where is the push for democracy here???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 01:45 AM

Democrats are to dumb to even design a ballot that people can understand. Somebody has to do the job they are incapable of doing.

I know groups of Democrats and Union workers that told me voluntarily that they are registered Democrats and have always voted Democratic but this time they are voting all Republican. I never discussed it with them because I thought it would end in a disagreement.

And there is not a dope smoker or anarchist in the bunch.

I expect to see riots before it is over.

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Cluin
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 02:06 AM

Blame it all on Al Gore for wimping out and giving up in 2000.

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 09:17 AM

I know groups of Republicans whohave always been Republicans but have said this time they are supporting the Democratic candidate.

Here's a list.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 10:28 AM

I heard yesterday that something like 13% of Republicans are voting for the Democrats this year.

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 10:33 AM

Sawzaw appears to be confident he has the olfactory abilities of a sniffer dog. Does that come along with other canine characteristics?

I see the latest term, moving on from "liberal" to "socialist" to "communist" and "teroris" is "anarchist". I imagine it will be "satanist" next - but where then?

Subject: RE: BS: Bradley Effect and Voter Suppression
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 12:05 PM

" know groups of Democrats and Union workers that told me voluntarily that they are registered Democrats and have always voted Democratic but this time they are voting all Republican. I never discussed it with them because I thought it would end in a disagreement.

And there is not a dope smoker or anarchist in the bunch." Seeznuttin'

You know, somehow I don't believe you. Not that I'm calling you a liar or anything.