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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:42 PM In some respects I would tend to agree with you on that. Reagan was truly scary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:38 PM Frankly, I think Reagan was way worse than Bush II. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:31 PM George Bush in office was simply unforgettable, Bobert. Astounding, in fact. You can't lower the bar much further than that, can you? I think Sarah Palin is way smarter than George Bush, but I don't much like her philosophical outlook. I admire her pluckiness, but not her ideas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:28 PM Bobert - How long do you really think people will remember Georgie? They elected him only 12 years after they got rid of Ronald-pig-fuckin'-Reagan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Bobert Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:56 PM Well, LH, what you are overlookin' is George Bush... The ultimate anti-intellectual... Look where that got US... Intellect warfare aside, I think that folks have figured out that uneducated people don't run the joint too good... Sarah Palin, like it or not, ain't all that educated... I mean, if you can't even rememeber two words- Washington Post- then it does make ya' wonder just how well the gal did back at Mayberry Tech... (But, Bobert.... That sounds snobbish...) Yeah, I guess it does... And I guess that most Americans will remember George Bush for a long, long time... Sorry, Sarah... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:23 PM Sarah Palin strikes me as a tough character with a lot of staying power. Not the type one really needs to feel "sorry" for, exactly, because she can take care of herself. I think there may be more to see from Sarah in the future. Her instinct that there is a form of class prejudice behind the gleeful attacks mounted on her by various liberal pundits are quite correct...though that's not all there is to it, of course. But it's the flip side of the kind of class prejudice that the Right dumps on someone who is deemed to be a "liberal" like Obama...calling him an "elitist" because he talks so intelligently and gracefully...either way, it's a form of class prejudice that is being pandered to, one class or another, it's the tactics of divisiveness, and it's a form of prejudice pandered to very willingly by both the Right and the Left in America whenever they find it serves usefully for their cause. They just pick different targets, that's all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Bobert Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:02 PM Hey, Sarah is a looker but let's get real here.... She wouldn't know a Washington Post from any non-Ripple bottle of wine... George Bush is "Exhibit A" on why the country doesn't need any more stupid people in charge... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Jan 09 - 07:54 PM Unfortunately, though, the way things are shaping up, everyone is gearing their fund raising efforts after Obama's, since he demonstrated the one with the most money always wins. So you will have the right-wing-religious-wakkos raising money through their "faith based" web sites, and the left-wing-looneys raising money through organizations like MoveOn.org. Every body else will be cut out of the process. It's a scenario that plays right into Sarah Palin's hands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Jan 09 - 05:22 PM Greg F - 14 Dec, 1232 - I certainly hope so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Greg F. Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:38 AM I believe ya Bruce, but thousands wouldn't. Give it a rest, already. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:17 AM "How do you pronounce a parenthesis?" With a pee! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jan 09 - 01:21 AM "Question: How does one get a "pinched, tinny monotone" to "blare out"? " Two ways. 1. The speaker has to get really close to the microphone...or... 2. You turn the controls up to "11". (grin) Even a whisper blares out when your radio or TV is turned up to "11". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Barry Finn Date: 15 Jan 09 - 01:03 AM Shara who???? Goodnight Shara, the sun has already set on your future Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Ebbie Date: 14 Jan 09 - 10:43 PM "...Couric's small, humorless, agenda-ridden mind, still registered in that pinched, tinny monotone that makes me rush across the room to change stations whenever her banal mini-editorials blare out at 5 p.m. on the CBS radio network. " from article Question: How does one get a "pinched, tinny monotone" to "blare out"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: dick greenhaus Date: 14 Jan 09 - 12:54 PM How do you pronounce a parenthesis? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Jan 09 - 08:29 AM It's amazing to me that they keep going after her months after the election is over. If Caroline Kennedy had Palin's credentials, she'd be a shoo-in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 14 Jan 09 - 07:38 AM Jan. 14, 2009 | Dear Camille, Dick Cavett is someone whose column I almost always enjoy very much. But I agree that he put down Sarah Palin's use of language for no good reason. The example he cited (she was discussing Darfur and what Alaska had done in view of events there) was an almost perfect example of coherent thought on her part if you recognize that a longish sentence includes a parenthetical aside. Here is the bit he cites in his column: "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the relevance to me with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries there that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and the corruption of some collapsed governments on the continent, the relevance was Alaska's investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars." Here is my own very minor rework of her sentence (rework in italics): "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the relevance to me with that issue (as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries there where we see the people succumbing to the dictators and the corruption of some collapsed governments on the continent), the relevance was Alaska's investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars." When she spoke, the sense of what she meant was clear, and a minor edit makes the sentence good enough for a print medium. No doubt she can be attacked in several areas on substance, but it is interesting and strange that instead people engage in elitist attacks on her for being a hunter or for the way she talks. In point of fact, she is a very able communicator, as time will bear out, I am sure, and yet the number of people on the left who recognize her political gifts is very small. Cavett will come back and entertain me again soon, I am sure, but this is one case where he's just lost his objectivity and comes off sounding like a prig. Blaine Walgren Excellent analysis! You have cut the entire ground out from beneath Dick Cavett's lofty claim of grammatical superiority to Sarah Palin by exposing his inability to sense a simple parenthesis in a spoken passage. I laughed heartily at your e-mail, for which I am most appreciative. As I have repeatedly said in this column, I have never had the slightest problem in understanding Sarah Palin's meaning at any time. On the contrary, I have positively enjoyed her fresh, natural, rapid delivery with its syncopated stops and slides -- a fabulous example of which was the way (in her recent interview with John Ziegler) that she used a soft, swooping satiric undertone to zing Katie Couric's dippy narcissism and to assert her own outrage as a "mama grizzly" at libels against her family. Ideology-driven attacks on Palin became clotted liberal clichés within 24 hours of her introduction as John McCain's running mate. What a bunch of tittering lemmings the urban elite have become in this country. From Couric's vicious manipulations of video clips to Cavett's bourgeois platitudes, the preemptive strike on Palin as a potential presidential candidate has grossly misfired. Whatever legitimate objections may be raised to Palin on political grounds (explored, for example, by David Talbot in Salon) have been lost in the amoral overkill that has defamed a self-made woman of concrete achievement in the public realm. And let me take this opportunity to say that of all the innumerable print and broadcast journalists who have interviewed me in the U.S. and abroad since I arrived on the scene nearly 20 years ago, Katie Couric was definitively the stupidest. As a guest on NBC's "Today" show during my 1992 book tour, I was astounded by Couric's small, humorless, agenda-ridden mind, still registered in that pinched, tinny monotone that makes me rush across the room to change stations whenever her banal mini-editorials blare out at 5 p.m. on the CBS radio network. And of course I would never spoil my dinner by tuning into Couric's TV evening news show. That sallow, wizened, drum-tight, cosmetic mummification look is not an appetite enhancer outside of Manhattan or L.A. There's many a moose in Alaska with greater charm and pizazz. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: PoppaGator Date: 15 Dec 08 - 12:58 PM I'm a little surprised that McCain mentioned two young Republican governors not including Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, who reportedly turned down the VP slot before Palin was ever considered. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Ebbie Date: 14 Dec 08 - 06:01 PM OK then. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Amos Date: 14 Dec 08 - 05:46 PM Wow!! Thanks, Ebb--I had forgotten how disadvantaged I truly am. I guess I should put on my light jacket and take a walk to reconsider. :D But please, do not think that I am looking down at your weather. One look at a map will show you that it is your weather that must perpetually look down on California, winter or no! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Ebbie Date: 14 Dec 08 - 03:59 PM I take exception to your condescension, Amos- there are people out there - and up here - who actually prefer our weather to your interminable - and frequently intolerable - sunshine that heats the dry winds that spawn sporadic devastating fires that swallow up homes, wild animals and people alike. Not to mention the ubiquitous possibility of the very ground beneath your feet disappearing into the bowels of the earth. So there. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Amos Date: 14 Dec 08 - 03:54 PM Seems John is not too sorry for her. "CNN) -- Sen. John McCain said Sunday he would not necessarily support his former running mate if she chose to run for president. Speaking to ABC's "This Week," McCain was asked whether Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin could count on his support. "I can't say something like that. We've got some great other young governors. I think you're going to see the governors assume a greater leadership role in our Republican Party," he said. He then mentioned governors Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and Jon Huntsman of Utah. McCain said he has "the greatest appreciation for Gov. Palin and her family, and it was a great joy to know them." "She invigorated our campaign" against Barack Obama for the presidency, he said. "Have no doubt of my admiration and respect for her and my view of her viability, but at this stage, again ... my corpse is still warm, you know?" he replied. In his first Sunday political TV appearance since November 4, McCain also promised to work to build consensus in tackling America's challenges, and criticized his own party for its latest attack on Obama. In his first Sunday political TV appearance since losing the presidential election, McCain rejected complaints from the Republican National Committee that Obama has not been transparent about his contacts with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich. "I think that the Obama campaign should and will give all information necessary," McCain told ABC's "This Week." "You know, in all due respect to the Republican National Committee and anybody -- right now, I think we should try to be working constructively together, not only on an issue such as this, but on the economy, stimulus package, reforms that are necessary." McCain's answer came in response to a question about comments from RNC Chairman Mike Duncan. The RNC also released an Internet ad last week, titled "Questions Remain," suggesting Obama is failing to provide important information about potential links between his associates and Blagojevich." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Amos Date: 14 Dec 08 - 03:43 PM If only they will just keep her up north in her Castle of Isolation. She's too brazen to feel sorry for, although I pity her for the weather. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Bobert Date: 14 Dec 08 - 12:43 PM I have an alibi... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Greg F. Date: 14 Dec 08 - 12:32 PM I'm with David Brooks ( a REAL conservative- not your average BuShite NeoCon jackass ): "[Sarah Palin] represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Dec 08 - 12:29 AM She's a political creature. It's an instinct. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: katlaughing Date: 14 Dec 08 - 12:17 AM Too bad about the church, but she certainly is getting her spin on it in early, no? she said she stopped by the church Saturday morning and offered an apology to the assistant pastor "if the incident is in any way connected to the undeserved negative attention the church has received since she became a vice presidential candidate." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Amos Date: 13 Dec 08 - 11:38 PM A "suspicious" fire devastated the church attended by Alaska Gov. and former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Friday night in her hometown of Wasilla, the church's minister said. Officials are considering arson in fire that broke out Friday at the Wasilla Bible Church in Wasilla, Alaska. "We have no idea what caused it," the Rev. Larry Kroon of the Wasilla Bible Church said Saturday, adding that investigators were considering arson and other possible causes. A ladies' craft group was in the building when the fire broke out, but they got out safely, Kroon said. "No one was hurt," he said. Central Mat-Su Fire Department Chief James Steele said the department was "treating it as suspicious and as potential arson at this point" but did not elaborate, The Anchorage Daily News reported. The newspaper said Palin released a statement after the fire in which she said she stopped by the church Saturday morning and offered an apology to the assistant pastor "if the incident is in any way connected to the undeserved negative attention the church has received since she became a vice presidential candidate." Steele said that as many as 40 firefighters from his and neighboring departments fought the blaze, which started about 9:40 p.m. Friday (1:40 a.m. ET Saturday). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Bobert Date: 15 Nov 08 - 03:41 PM I don't feel sorry for Ms. Sarah... I mean, lets get real here... Alaska is about the most redneck state in the entire country and she is the perfect governor for such a state... Nowhere elese in the country, maybe with the exception of Soputh Carolina, could she become governor... Which brings up another question and that is 2012... If there are only two states rednecky enough to have Ms. Srah as their governor, exsactly where is this hidden path to the nomination??? The Repubs have been goibng over thsi last whuppin' and the one's I have heard are trying ways to rebuild a party that is less dependent on the old threadbare Southern Startegy which has run it;s course... So, if Ms> Sarah is going to be a party nominee in 2012 it would have to be for a reborn Dixiecrat Party, not the Republican Party... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Jayto Date: 15 Nov 08 - 02:47 PM NO WE SHOULD NOT!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:00 PM Well, Riginslimer, if you post things you wish you hadn't, just think, you always have the option to actually think before hitting "send". Or even read your post afterwards and post a correction. Actually it's fairly evident you really have no ability in writing, research --or probably anything else-- except to smear. But that you have well in hand. Congratulations. If you like , I can give you chapter and verse from your own collected works. And it's interesting you think I live in a tiny world. After all, if you recall, I'm not the one who has no use for Mexicans or any blacks in public life. Or who ascribes all the ills of the world to religion--rather than to people who refuse to think---like your good self? Let's see, first you spent months telling us how much better Hillary was than Obama. Then you spent more months attacking Obama and defending Palin. Have fun getting used to saying "President Obama". Hope it doesn't hurt you too much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Nov 08 - 08:45 AM I've posted some things in the past, Ake, that I wished I hadn't, and felt very bad about it later. It's hard to change somebody's mind and attack them personally at the same time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: akenaton Date: 15 Nov 08 - 08:16 AM Congratulations on keeping control of your temper Rig....The children are even more tiresome today. why dont some of the mods give them a good smacking.....are they ALL Democratic misogynists?..Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Nov 08 - 07:27 AM You must live in a really tiny world, Ron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Nov 08 - 12:03 AM By the way, Mr. Riginslimer, you also missed the reference to MSNBC earlier. I clearly stated that my quote was a comment--not an objective evaluation. I never claimed it to be objective. I just felt the poster expressed the situation quite well. If you don't learn to read, I'm sorry to say that your postings may never have any value--not that that is a surprise to anybody who has wasted any time reading your contributions--actually that's redundant (look it up). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Nov 08 - 11:46 PM Mr. Riginslimer-- The point, which you as usual miss, is that the right wing is not all there is to the Republican party these days. That--not any imagined ax-grinding-- is why there is a split--which was reflected in the election, is not restricted to Pawlenty , and has not disappeared. Not that you can be expected to understand it. If it's less subtle than a sledgehammer, it somehow escapes your mighty brain. Perhaps you should return to plumbing. No wonder you defend Sarah. Dull minds also think alike, it seems. You and Sarah might as well go back to Smears R US. It's the only thing you both have mastered. But let me compliment you--both-- on your excellence in smearing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Nov 08 - 11:06 PM Wrong again, Ron. Whitman, Pawlenty, and a few others with their own political axes to grind, wish to withhold their enthusiasm for Sarah Palin, of course, but the right-wing loved her. I shouldn't be in a position of defending her, and wouldn't--her political veiws are a lot different than mine--except the events of the last few weeks are so unfair and cowardly, I don't know what else to do with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Nov 08 - 10:29 PM Correction: she received a polite reception. When members of a panel including Christine Whitman and Tim Pawlenty were asked to vouch for Sarah's credentials as a future president, they somehow were not able to do so. Not that Mr. Riginslimer would understand the reference--(educating him is just too great a task)-- but it was "modified rapture". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Nov 08 - 08:58 PM Getting back to the subject, should we feel sorry for Sarah? No! She was a big hit at the Republican Govenor's Conference. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Don Firth Date: 14 Nov 08 - 12:43 PM Yeah, Rig. Speaking of "mired in myopia, intolerance and divisiveness. . . ." Keep those smears a-comin',Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Nov 08 - 10:27 AM Yeah, but McCain didn't go to school in Indonesia! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Nov 08 - 10:24 AM Actually if you were going by the plot of the Manchurian Candidate, the one in the frame would have been McCain, as having been potentially subject to brainwashing during his captivity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Nov 08 - 11:42 PM Ron - Haven't you been paying attention to the news. MSNBC is the source of all of the disinformation. They have no credibility at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Nov 08 - 10:28 PM Rove appears to be speaking primarily of state house and state senate makeups in the South, though he notes that Democrats picked up only 10 state senate seats out of 1,971 in the whole US, and 94 state house seats out of 5,411. Then of course you'd have to know how many the Democrats started with--which he doesn't say. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Nov 08 - 10:23 PM Ran across a particularly good summation of Palin and her current situation--think this is from MSNBC First Read--a comment. "I'm incredulous that Sarah Palin is crying the blues about the rumors coming from her own party and campaign and how badly she was treated. Sarah Palin launched one of the most vitriolic scorched-earth campaigns in US history. Her campaign rallies were more akin to Nazi Germany than US politics. If anyone saw some of the crazed bigots headed to her rallies you saw what most Americans rejected. No wonder the GOP's run was an abject failure. This country cannot move forward mired in myopia, intolerance and divisiveness. Until the GOP moves back to the center and becomes more diverse, it will never rise in this country. America will never become Nazi Germany. For those hoping for most Americans to embrace the hatred and hypocrisy of the GOP base, I feel sorry for you." Interestingly, Karl Rove--yes, he's not going away--has a counterpoint to this. In today's WSJ, his column notes that Republicans gained legislative seats across the South. Which may tend to support the idea that myopia, intolerance and divisiveness still have a home in the US--in fact their traditional home in the Old Confederacy. Though it would be interesting to know who gained seats in Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. Rove speaks of Obama's "reverse coattails". Maybe it's not that simple. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:36 PM "Specifically and explicitly defend your use ofr "Manchurian candidate" to describe the President-Elect of the United States," I was hoping to catch Ron Davies' attention! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Desert Dancer Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:21 PM Fox News says "The hoax was limited to the identity of the source in the story about Palin -- not the FOX News story itself. While Palin has denied that she mistook Africa for a country, the veracity of that report was not put in question by the revelation that Eisenstadt is a phony." The NY Times report did not state this unambiguously. I really wanted to be able to cut her some slack... but I guess not. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Barry Finn Date: 13 Nov 08 - 12:35 PM Sara's about to help redifine the republican party's image In the likeness of God. God help him Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: Amos Date: 13 Nov 08 - 12:14 PM Rig: Specifically and explicitly defend your use ofr "Manchurian candidate" to describe the President-Elect of the United States, sir. Or, if you will not, confess to being scurrilous and be done with it! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should we feel sorry for Palin? From: SINSULL Date: 13 Nov 08 - 12:06 PM I feel sorry for her today. It looks as if Stephens is going to lose via early ballots just being counted. There goes her Senate seat. M |
