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Not the Usual Christmas Songs

GUEST,Meryle (GUEST) 04 Sep 21 - 04:38 AM
keberoxu 27 Apr 18 - 06:42 PM
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Joe Offer 27 Jan 12 - 02:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,Meryle (GUEST)
Date: 04 Sep 21 - 04:38 AM

I'm trying to find the missing lines to a Christmas song my Mom used to sing - probably was sung in the 19-teens & 20s. I don't know the title, can't remember the first line.

---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Jimmy popped the corn
Elouise who liked to tease
Brought a tooting horn
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
And on that happy Christmas morn,
We had lots of fun.

The tune (roughly, numerically):
1 3 3 5 5 8 8
8 6 4   6   5
1 3 3 5 5 8 8
7 5 6 4 5
8. 5. 5. 3. 5. 2. 2.
8 5 5 3 5 2 2 3
1 3 3 5 5 8 8
5 3 4 2 1


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 06:42 PM

Timing is off, yes, I noticed that.
It's just that I wanted my info straight,
and it has taken me a long time to locate
the perpetrators, I mean, the authors
credited with this song, lyrics and music both.

The song is
Dear Santa, Have You Had the Measles.
Copyright belongs to three individuals:
Frank Kells, Sal Messina [sometime pseudonym: Al Arland], and Al Vann. Shawnee Press / ASCAP. circa 1958.
This thanks to
the Library of Congress Catalog of Copyright Entries, Published Music:
Third Series, Volume 10, Part 5A, number 1.
Washington, D. C.: Copyright Office, Library of Congress, 1957.

someone else is more than welcome to fetch the lyrics,
if you insist on knowing them...


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Joe_F
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 08:20 PM

Hot Buttered Rum


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Subject: ADD: There Are Much Worse Things to Believe In
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 02:32 AM

Somebody asked for this on the Facebook Mudcat page. Probably better that they be posted here.

THERE ARE MUCH WORSE THINGS TO BELIEVE IN
(Stephen Colbert)

There are cynics; there are skeptics.
There are legions of dispassionate dyspeptics.
Who regard this time of year as a maudlin insincere
Cheesy crass commercial travesty of all that we hold dear

When they think that, well, I can hear it.
But I pity them their lack of Christmas spirit.
For in a world like ours, take it from Stephen:
There are much worse things to believe in.

A redeemer, and a Savior,
An obese man giving toys for good behaviour.
The faith in what might be, and the hope that we might see
The answer to all sorrow in a box beneath the tree.

Find them foolish, sentimental,
Well, you're clearly none too bright, So we'll be gentle.
Don't even try to start vaguely conceivin'
Of all the much worse things to believe in.

Believe in the judgment, believe in Jihad,
Believe in a thousand variations on a dark and spiteful God
You got your money, you got your power,
You got your science, and the planet's going to end within the hour.
You got your dreams that don't come true.
You got the ones that do

Then you got your nothin';
Some folks believe in nothin'.
But if you believe in nothin',
Then what's to keep the nothin' from comin' for you?

Merry Christmas -- Happy New Year!
Now if you'll forgive me, there's a lot to do here.
There are stockings still unhung,
Colored lights I haven't strung,
And a one-man four-part Christmas carol waiting to be sung.

Call me silly, call me sappy,
Call me many things, the first of which is happy
You doubt, but you're sad.
I don't, and I'm glad.
I guess we're even.
At least that's what I believe in.

And there are much worse things.

http://www.lyricsmania.com/there_are_much_worse_things_to_believe_in_lyrics_stephen_colbert.html


Here's a recording of the song by somebody else: (click)


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: BTNG
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 03:58 PM

Christmas Must Be Tonight written by Robbie Robertson and recorded by The Band and The Albion Band

The Albion Dance Band - On Christmas Night All Christians Sing. (Trad. Arr.)


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE INNUMERABLE CHRIST (Hugh MacDiarmid)
From: Joe_F
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 03:44 PM

THE INNUMERABLE CHRIST
by Hugh MacDiarmid

Wha kens on whatna Bethlehems
Earth twinkles like a star the nicht,
An' whatna shepherds lift their heids
In its unearthly licht?

'Yont a' the stars oor een can see
An' farther than their lichts can fly,
I' mony an unco warl' the nicht
The fatefu' bairnies cry.

I' mony an unco warl' the nicht
The lift gaes black as pitch at noon,
An' sideways on their chests the heids
O' endless Christs roll doon.

An' when the earth's as cauld's the mune
An' a' its folk are lang syne deid,
On coontless stars the Babe maun cry
An' the Crucified maun bleed.[1]


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: BTNG
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 10:24 AM

Richrd and Linda Thompson: We Sing Hallelujah


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 10:16 AM

Merci beaucoup for the link to the noels, Monique.

We love noels!


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,Don Wise
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 03:13 PM

"King Herod and the Cock"..........

or any good Wassail song.

On the other hand, if you can find the texts,music,records:

"The Workhouse Boy", sung long ago by The Halliard

"Family Christmas", Roaring Jelly, on the LP 'Roaring Jelly's Golden Grates'( no,I've spelt it correctly!)


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Monique
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 07:06 AM

I didn't know where to post the link to the Scribd doc Noël, chantons Noël by Paul Arma, Les Éditions Ouvrières, Paris 1942, this thread should be ok for that. There are 151 French Christmas carols from the 13th to the 18th C. Most lyrics are in standard French even though some were primarily written in another language (the 3 Sabòli's Provençal carols in the collection have been translated). Whatever is not in standard Fr. is in its original dialect of French (=Oïl dialect)


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:57 PM

The Star Wars Carol: is that the one that starts "Yoda was an old man, and a very old man was he"?


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:07 PM

Sorry I missed this thread till now. Our band's annual Christmas, Advent, and Epiphany choices are quite unusual but you would have to hear them to appreciate them and I have no recordings. It's a little late now to catch them for this year, but PM if you want to explore further.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: old git
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 12:51 PM

not sure if anyone's mentioned it but on John Conolly's new CD "Grumpy old Men of Old England" ,the track "I am Christmas" is really worth a listen. Words by Bill Meek , tune by John Conolly.
To hear it go to www.myspace.com/johnconolly ,scroll down and click on the window with the Christmassy figure in it..

enjoy

geoff t


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,The black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 07:25 AM

We were out caroling (with instruments) for charity in the streets of Lancaster last night and we were asked to play........the Star Wars theme!

Merry Christmas to all Jedi Knights.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 07:00 AM

John Tams has written The Devonshire Carol for Warhorse now on at the National Theatre. It's on the soundtrack CD sung, I presume, by Tim van Eyken.

It's also on the new CD of another story by Michael Morpurgo, On Angel Wings, sung by Coope Boyes and Simpson. Chapters are separated by carols, mostly from South Yorkshire and North Derbyshire. Christmas performance at St Paul's cathedral is now sold out.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 06:22 AM

Another traditional American one: The Shepherd's Star, collected in shape-note arrangements in Southern Harmony (William Walker, 1835) and Christian Harmony (Walker, 1866). It appears on the CD Carols from the Old & New Worlds by Theatre of Voices, Paul Hillier, director.

The first verse ("Hail the blest morn, see the great Mediator") is also used for another shape-note carol, "Star in the East" ("Brightest and best of the sons of the morning"). See thread 42294 for words and links for both. In his post of 15 Dec 04, Burke supplied a transcription of the words to "The Shepherd's Star", though sadly they are not labelled as such.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 02:27 AM

"Portugal" sounds like a typical shape-note hymn name, so I searched for both and found...

In the shape-note book The Hesperian Harp, "Portugese Hymn" (pp. 378-9) is a 3-part variant of "Adeste, fideles": "Hither, ye faithful, haste with songs of triumph..."

(It also has a song named "Portugal", metrically similar to "Adeste, fideles", but the text bears no resemblance to the various translations of that carol.)

The New Oxford Book of Carols, gives much information on the history of "Adeste, fideles" (though its origin remains obscure), including this quotation of Vincent Novello, from Congregational and Chorister's Psalm and Hymn Book, 1843:

"This piece obtained the name of 'The Portuguese Hymn' from the accidental circumstance of the Duke of Leeds... having heard the hymn first performed at the Portuguese Chapel, and who, supposing it to be peculiar to the service in Portugal, introduced the melody at the Ancient Concerts, giving it the title of the 'Portuguese Hymn', by which appelation this very favourite and popular tune has ever since been distinguished;..."


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 06:56 PM

The Village Carols publications have already been mentioned. One of my favourites, which has been sung at some of the festivals, but not this year, is an older translation of Adeste Fideles (Believers Assemble) with a more interesting tune (Portugal) than the well known one. So this is at the same time a close relation of the very well known O Come All Ye Faithful and yet very different.

And of course there are the umpteen alternative tunes for While Shepherds Watched.

Richard


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Subject: Lyr Add: SWEET WAS THE SONG THE VIRGIN SANG
From: Artful Codger
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 12:50 PM

There are some nice, less-heard carols on the CD Carols Around the World by the Quink Vocal Ensemble. For example:

Canción de Navidad, by the 20th c. Argentinian composer Carlos Guastavino. Thankfully, this isn't one of the gratuitously dissonant modern carols.

I Saw a Maiden. It's in the New Oxford Book of Carols, 109:II, setting by Edgar Pettman (1866-1943). It's a variant of "Lullay, my liking" (Myn Lyking); adapted from a 15th c. text.

Komt verwondert u hier, menschen and Herders, Hij is geboren, by Julius Röntgen (1855-1932). Maybe these songs are over-sung by the Dutch, but I'd not heard them before.


Lute-Book Lullaby:

SWEET WAS THE SONG THE VIRGIN SANG
(Lute-Book Lullaby)
anon., from the William Ballet Lute Book (17th c.)

Sweet was the song the Virgin sang,
When she to Bethlem Juda came
And was delivered of a son,
That blessèd Jesus hath to name:
Lulla, lulla, lulla lullaby,
Lulla, lulla, lulla lullaby.
"Sweet babe," sang she, "my son,
And eke a saviour born,
Who hast vouchsafed from on high
To visit us that were forlorn."
Lulla, lulla, lullaby,        [RVW: Lalula, lalula, lalulaby]
"Sweet babe," sang she,
And rocked him sweetly on her knee.

Ralph Vaughan Williams set this text in his cantata Hodie (1953-54, XI. Lullaby). Benjamin Britten also did an arrangement.


Barbara: As for "The Bitter Withy" not being a Christmas song, you'll find it at the Hymns and Carols of Christmas site, where their sources are Edith Rickert, Ancient English Christmas Carols: 1400-1700 (London: Chatto & Windus, 1914, reprint of the edition of 1910) and Cecil J. Sharp, English Folk-Carols (London: Novello & Co., Ltd., 1911). Sharp also references a version quoted by Mr. Frank Sidgwick (More Ancient Carols, Stratford-on-Avon, 1906).

Perhaps the "bright holiday" on which it occurred was Hannukah. ;-}


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 01:14 PM

Thanks for refreshing this thread folks. Now there's the small matter of learning some songs...


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: BB
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 08:11 AM

Thanks, Codger, I'll have a go sometime, when I've got time to take it all in. But I've printed off your instructions, so I will do it!

Barbara


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 09:09 PM

Barbara:
Italics, bolding and blickies are achieved by embedding simple HTML sequences:

Italics: <i>text</i>

Bolding: <b>text</b>

Blicky: <a href="URL">text</a>
Example: <a href="http://www.mudcat.org/">Mudcat Cafe</a>
is rendered as: Mudcat Cafe

Note that if your messages contain ampersands, greater-thans or less-thans, you need to replace them with the equivalent character escape sequences:
& = &amp;
< = &lt;
> = &gt;

See the Mudcat help threads for more info, or any web tutorial on writing HTML.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: RangerSteve
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 03:08 PM

try www.cyberhymnal.org. On the opening page, scroll down to "Topic", then click on "Christmas". There's quite a bit of less than common tunes. My favorite is "Beautiful Star".


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: BB
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 09:09 AM

Artful Codger, nor did I call it a carol - 'The Bitter Withy' is not a **Christmas** song, which is the point I was trying to make.

(I wish I knew how some people manage to do italics or bold on here!)

Babrara


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 03:29 AM

Arkie: Check the ingeb.org website, a great German-based folk song site. If you search there for "zu Bethlehem geboren", you'll find several carols that include that phrase, including one by that title (by Friedrich von Spee), for which both a text and a MIDI are supplied. Other possibilities there, also with MIDIs:

Als ich bei meinen Schafen wacht = While shepherds watched their flocks*
Es kommt ein Schiff geladen (A laden ship comes)
Heilige Nacht** (Holy Night): "Geboren ward zu Bethlehem..." [No MIDI]

* The "While shepherds" setting with this chorus:
How great their joy! (Great their joy!)
Joy, joy, joy! (Joy, joy, joy!)
Glory to God in Heaven on high!
Glory to God in Heaven on high!

The melody in these MIDIS is carried by an interior voice; it is not readily apparent.

Also at ingeb.org is "Die Blümelein, sie schlafen", a song with a setting by Johannes Brahms based on "Zu Bethlehem geboren". The tune here is more distinct.

Please let us know if any of these is what you remember.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 02:03 AM

The Little Blackenham Carol, posted above, is a variant (in text, at least) of #140 in The New Oxford Book of Carols: "Let all that are to mirth inclined." The authors include 16 verses, with a setting by [Davies] Gilbert, 1822, noting that it's "found in several forms: see 'Good People All' (162)". If someone has both Artisan's recording and the NOBC, perhaps they could compare and comment.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 01:42 AM

Barbara: Ahem, I mentioned "The Bitter Withy" because of its joyful irreverence--and Rosie was requesting something different to sing. You'll note I didn't group it with the carols.

On the other hand, perhaps irreverence is the last thing needed during the annual Christmas frenzy, as the carols and such forth are mainly pressed into the service of Baal these days.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Tootler
Date: 12 Dec 08 - 06:53 PM

"Knock at the Knocker, Ring at the Bell" is an excellent Christmas Album by Magpie Lane. A collection of folk carols and seasonal songs and tunes. I was given it for Christmas last year and have just dug it out again. I had forgotten just how good it was.

Not on the above album, but I like "Down in Yon Forest" An interesting song with interesting imagery. Not the usual type of carol, but worth singing.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: BB
Date: 12 Dec 08 - 05:25 PM

'The Bitter Withy' is a wonderful, sort-of religious song, but it's not a Christmas song in any sense.

Barbara


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Arkie
Date: 12 Dec 08 - 04:03 PM

A song I discovered a few years back and then remembered a few days ago is Zu Bethlehem Geboren which I think may be German and translated, I think, In Bethlehem Born. Very nice melody but since I have only heard two vocal versions and both are in German I have no clue as to the lyrics. Have heard several instrumental versions which I liked. I did a little research and it appears the song goes back to the 17th century. Have no idea how widely circulated the piece may be.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Artful Codger
Date: 12 Dec 08 - 03:35 PM

Some of my favorite, less often performed, traditional carols not mentioned above:

Allons, gay bergeres (French)
Beata viscera (12th c. Latin, by Perotin[us] and Philip the Chancellor)
Gabriel from Evene King (13th c. English)
Jesus Christ, the Apple Tree (Ingalls' setting)
Nesem Vám Noviny (Czech)
Over the Hill and Over the Dale (words: J.M. Neale)
Shepherds, Rejoice (William Billings' "Boston" setting)
Tau garço, la durundena (Catalan)
While Shepherds Watched (Daniel Read's "Sherburne" setting)

"Jolly Shepherd" (by Ravenscroft) is a nice round.

To counter the cloying sentiment of the season you can sing "The Bitter Withy".


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Folkiedave
Date: 11 Dec 08 - 06:31 PM

Joanne - if you are doing Scarlet Raygun (John Connoly) then try "I want a Hippopotamus For Xmas".

And the story behind it is interesting too.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,CupOfTea at work with no cookies
Date: 11 Dec 08 - 06:12 PM

I've a delight in offbeat Christmas songs that has been both reinforced and substantially added to by some friends of mine who perform them as the "Bittersweet Christmas Band." Richard Thompson's (a fine Brit) "We'll Sing Halleluia" is deliciously existential, though there are children in the Chicago area who think this IS a traditional song for Christmas. They are just putting out their second album of odd, funny, sweet, pointed and traditional songs - including some fine originals. (Sing in the Dark of the Year is an especially inclusive Christmas/Solstice/Chanuka song with a spiffy chorus). Well worth a listen.

Some one earlier mentioned Artisan in passing - They've got multiple Christmas albums and a number of songs that were new to me ( in the US) and I dearly love. I've heard that "The Mistletoe Bough" is cliche in some places, but the combination of Victorian sweet and corpse creepy tickled my fancy. Their album "Paper Angels" has some gems, particularly the title song and "Scarlet Raygun"(to the tune of "Scarlet Ribbons").

I also endorse Barton & Para & etc.'s On a Night Like This - all the folks on that album are world class "sing this with me" sorts of people. I especially like "Dark December" as it describes what that month is like here in the Midwest.

Joanne in very cold Cleveland


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Folkiedave
Date: 11 Dec 08 - 05:43 PM

The vengeful christ song about the beasts ploughing is Roud S156927.

The original recorded by Fred Hamer from May Bradley, found in the book Garner's Gay and on the CD "Century Of Song" EFDSS 1998.

It has also been recorded by Spiers and Boden.

Both recordings use the title "On Christmas Day."

At the risk of a far too blatant plug - the May Bradley version will be broadcast towards the end of my programme Thank Goodness It's Folk tomorrow, along with a number of other carols. It's in the second half (first half is an interview with Martin Simpson (!!) )

I also did a whole hour the week before this is still available via the web.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Genie
Date: 11 Dec 08 - 05:19 PM

Dan Fogelberg's 1999 album "The First Christmas Morning" has several traditional and/or well-known Christmas songs - including one of the most beautiful versions of "This Endris Night" that I've ever heard.   It also includes 5 or 6 new compositions by Dan, most of them with a decidedly "trad" or "old" (e.g., Renaissance or 19th C) feel to them.

I've posted lyrics and links to sound clips here:
   Dan Fogelberg: Christ The King
Dan Fogelberg: At Christmas Time
Dan Fogelberg: The First Christmas Morning

Clips from all the songs on the album, as well as lyrics to the ones that have lyrics, are here: Dan Fogelberg album: The First Christmas Morning


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,Working Radish
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 08:15 AM

I think you'll find it was in Dessexshire that it befell. (I first heard that song on a James Yorkston record & was convinced it was a clever imitation of a traditional song, mainly because of the title. I guess Travellers didn't always have the clearest idea of which county was which.)


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,Suffolk Miracle
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 07:04 AM

Since you are in East Anglia what about a fine example of Christian love at Xmas in Essex?

In Essexshire it happened so
A man went out all for to plough,
As he was ploughing along so fast
Up came sweet Jesus himself at last.

"Oh man, oh man, why dost thou plough
So hard upon the Lord's birthday?"
The farmer answered him with great speed,
"To plough this day I have great need."

His arms did tremble through and through,
Until that he could no longer plough.
The ground did open and he fell in
Before he could repent his sin.

His wife and children are out of place,
His beasts and cattle now all are lost.
His beasts and cattle they die away
For ploughing on the Lord's birthday.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,Rob the Roadie
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 03:24 PM

Angie Wright has very good version of "GAUDETE".....translated using her "O" Level Latin Grade D.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,folkyfan
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 03:11 PM

I saw Belinda O'Hooley at the Frazer Theatre in Knaresborough lastnight, she sang a lovely song about 'one more Christmas with her mum' which moved me to tears


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,KP
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 02:48 PM

This is a bit spooky:
Innocents Song
Phil beer does a very evocative version on the Show of Hands Album 'Witness'

KP


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 12:43 PM

Elsie`s Band have a couple of unusual Christmas songs they do each year at the Mumming night.
"The Carol Singers" (All about singing Christmas Waits)
"The Cowboys Christmas Day"


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 12:05 PM

We have this on tape, play it every year.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 10:11 AM

Quote from an Amazon.com profile :-

"This Easily Becomes One's Favorite Christmas Album, December 15, 2005
I bought this CD several years ago and bought copies for friend after friend as Christmas presents. The style is pre-modern English folk carols, played on period instruments and sung in the everyday accents of the English countryside. One has a sense of Christmas relieving the tedium of a rural northern winter bringing a different, perhaps deeper, joy than it brings today. What other Christmas album could include the provocative line, "Remember, man, that thou art made of clay, and in this world thou hast not long to stay," and yet make the listener want to play the carol over and over? Of my many, many Christmas albums, this has emerged year after year as the favorite."

The album referred to is "Christmas Now Is Drawing Near: English Folk Carols" by Sneak's Noyse. The cassette played endlessly in my car about fifteen years ago (until I had, regretfully, to return the tape to its original owner). Sneak's Noyse were (are?) members of City Waites, augmented by the folkier voice of Tim Laycock. The album was produced by Saydisc and is still available on both CD and cassette (at least on Amazon.co.uk). The title song is the one quoted above. Its tune is similar to the Watersons version mentioned above, but the words are different, while reflecting the sceptical spirit. The last line, which follows that quoted above, is "This wicked world will never be content With all the gifts that our great God hath sent." Can't find the rest of the words at the moment, will post if I find them. It's in my head that there is an American trad song with a similar tune (I'll try looking amongst the Jeff Warner stuff), but I might be thinking of another carol on the album.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Genie
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 02:39 PM

Also check out this thread: Hard-Hitting Christmas Songs


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Genie
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 02:37 PM

Here's one of my favorites that's not heard all the time:

Riu Riu Chiu


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:40 PM

Free Reed's Midwinter 4 cd set has some interesting stuff...but a bit of a hefty investment price wise.

A personal favourite is Pete Bellamy's setting of Kipling's Eddie's Service

Baz


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE LITTLE BLAKENHAM CAROL
From: Menolly
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:33 PM

An East Anglian Carol - The Little Blackenham Carol from Suffolk, just 14 verses long Can be found on Artisan's first Christmas CD.

THE LITTLE BLAKENHAM CAROL
Suffolk Carol
Given to the vicar more than 100 years ago


1/ Let all who are to mirth inclined,
Consider well and bear in mind
What our great god for us has done
In sending his beloved son.

2/ Let all our songs and praises be
Unto his heavenly majesty,
And ever more among our mirth,
Remember Christ, our saviour's birth.

3/ The twenty fifth day of December,
We have great reason to remember,
In Bethlehem upon that morn,
There was our blessed saviour born.

4/ The night before this happy tide
The spotless virgin and her guide
Were long time seeking up and down
To find some lodging in the town.

5/ But mark how all things came to pass,
The inn and lodgings filling fast
That they could have no room at all
But in a field, the ox's stall.

6/ That night the virgin, Mary mild,
Was safe delivered of a child,
According unto heaven's decree
Man, God, our saviour for to be.

7/ Near Bethlehem some shepherds kept
Watching their flocks, while others slept,
To whom God's angel did appear,
Which put the shepherds in great fear.

8/ "Prepare and go", the angel said,
"To Bethlehem. Be not afraid,
And you shall see this very morn
The blessed babe, sweet Jesus, born."

9/ With thankful heart and joyful mind,
The shepherds went that babe to find
And as the heavenly angel told,
They did our saviour Christ behold.

10/ And in a manger, he was laid,
The virgin Mary by him stayed
Attendant on the lord of life,
Being both mother, maid and wife.

11/ Three eastern wise men from afar,
Directed by a glorious star,
Came boldly on and made no stay
Until they came where Jesus lay.

12/ And when they came unto that place
And where our blessed saviour was
They humbly laid before his feet
Great gifts of gold and odours sweet.

13/ Let all who are to mirth inclined,
Consider well and bear in mind
What our great god for us has done
In sending his beloved son.

14/ Let all our songs and praises be
Unto his heavenly majesty,
And ever more among our mirth,
Remember Christ, our saviour's birth.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Cyparissa
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 08:06 AM

There are loads of gorgeous Christmas songs on Loreena McKennitt's CD "To Drive the Cold Winter Away." [link] My absolute favorite Christmas song (Balulalow) is recorded beautifully. "Let All That Are To Mirth Inclined" and "The Wexford Carol" are also absolute gems.


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 03:43 AM

You can also purchase recording and booklets of the South Yorkshire and Derbyshire carols from

http://www.villagecarols.org.uk/CAROLS/vcpublications.htm

I have put the shhet music and MIDI for a number of them, like 'Back Lane' and 'Diadem', on the folkinfo site. See http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/keywordsearch.php?keyword=134


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Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 06:41 PM

And here is Camsco to which Dick referred and if you call him, you'll have a nice visit, too!


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