Not the Usual Christmas Songs

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Folkiedave
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 06:12 PM

And here is a great USA site.
www.glenrockcarolers.org

Subject: Beautiful Star Of Bethlehem
From: Genie
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 06:07 PM

Here's a better recording of Star Of Bethlehem and without the longer spoken introduction.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Genie
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 06:03 PM

I love this one, and while it's been around a while, it's not heard all that often:

Beautiful Star Of Bethlehem.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 05:46 PM

There are a few alternate Christmas albums available on CD:
(off the top of my head)

Greentrax has "Bah! Humbug!" (various)
Document has "Blues, Blues Christmas" (various)
Dust-to-Digital has "Where Will You Be Christmas Day?" (various)
Greenhays has Jean Ritchie's "Kentucky Christmas" (Jean Ritchie)
Fallen Angles has "Feasts and Spirits" (Finest Kind)
Granny Dell has "Christmas on the Mountain" (Sheila Kay Adams)
Homespun has "Homespun Songs of the Christmas Season" (Bobby Horton)
Park has "Carols and Capers" and "Carols at Christmas"as well as "Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh" (Maddy Prior and others)
Saydisk has "Christmas Now is Drawing Near" (City Waites)
No Masters has "A Garland of Carols" and "Fire and Sleet and
       Candlelight" and "Voices at the Door" (Coope, Boyes and
       Simpson)

And nary a Silent Night nor Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer in the lot.
And all available at CAMSCO. Of course.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 04:46 PM

Oh, good! I am glad you posted that link, Jed. Folks, give it a listen. It's a terrific song!

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: JedMarum
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 10:53 PM

Here's a new one that might bring good cheer to Mudcatter and similarly folk-music afflicted people.

;-)

Subject: Not the Usual Christmas Songs - This Endris Night
From: Genie
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 09:24 PM

This Endris Night (in the DT)
This Endris Night tune in ABC format
Other references to and info about this song:
here
here
and here

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 04:29 PM

I see in my search that the AntiCarol is attributed to John Pole, not Frankie Armstrong.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 04:24 PM

Frankie Armstrong's "Anti-Carol" might interest you....or it might not.

Here is someone else singing it, and the lyrics.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 02:14 PM

Can you read music? In my experience, you will save much time by simply getting a collection of carols and selecting the interesting ones. Start with your public library, then try a music store. Don't overlook hymnals.

If you can't read music, try this:

http://www.ylw.mmtr.or.jp/~johnkoji/hymn/xmas/

This site has both MIDI's to listen to and lyrics to read.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 04:09 PM

Sorry if it's been said, but I skipped a lot of the thread - life's too short... etc.

Pick up a copy of the Cowley Carol book - available occasionally from second hand stores, or the good old Oxford Book of Carols - there are dozens in there that are not overly familiar.

EFDDS might be able to help with a copy of the Folk Carol book - collected by Sharp or the other guy, although very few of them are Christmas/Yule orientated.

Good luck.

LTS

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Newport Boy
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 04:00 PM

Definitely in the traditional 'spirit' of the season is All Hail to the Days also known as Drive the Cold Winter Away.

The earliest copy of the words is from a broadside in the Pepys collection, about 1625, and the tune in Playford 1691.

The full 12 verses are at Hymns & Carols of Christmas here

I usually sing verses 1,3,4,5 and 11, sometimes adding verse 7. The tune in Hutchins (from that page) is the better version. The big jump at the end of the 6th line is a bit intimidating at first, but it soon becomes familiar.

I've sung it unaccompanied, with minimal guitar and with guitar and recorder, and it seems to go down well.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Monique
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 03:56 PM

There are quite a lot here and in many languages there

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 03:43 PM

Ramskyte's Dark December is amazing, very trad, some self penned stuff too.

DARK DECEMBER
'RAMSKYTE' are a four-part harmony group with Victory Morrismen. Pete Luscombe, John Bartlett, Brian Ingham & John Thornton.
20 seasonal traditional songs at their vocal best.
£12.00


you can buy it at the Morris Ring

http://www.themorrisring.org/Shop.htm#audio

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: topical tom
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 03:41 PM

Certainly not a classic Christmas song: "The Fugitive Prince" by David Massengill on his cd "The Return".

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Joybell
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 03:36 PM

"The Cherry Tree Carol" is seldom sung now. Too weird for many people. I always try to sing it at least once a year. Mary and Joseph out walking and Mary wanting him to pick cherries for her. Pure pagan theatre with down-to-earth sentiment expressed by Joseph:

...Then Joseph spake in anger. In anger spake he
"Let the Father of the baby pick cherries for thee!"..

Then Baby Jesus speaking from Mary's womb and the cherry tree hearing and bowing down obediently. Then the lovely scene with Joseph taking Mary, all stained with cherry juice, on his knee.
I love this one. OK the cherry juice was my idea.
Cheers, Joy

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Genie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 03:36 PM

Lots of good suggestions in some of these threads.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Genie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 03:30 PM

Sleepy, if you do a search here for "@ Christmas" or "@Christmas Song" I think you'll find a number of threads that suggest quite a few not-so-common Christmas season songs.

Some of the songs suggested (many with links or with lyrics and chords) are silly and/or irreverent, many are serious.   

I can make a few suggestions but I'm strapped for time right now, but the ones I'd suggest are all in those other threads (e.g., the thread titled "Know any Hard-hitting Christmas songs?").

G

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Arkie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 02:59 PM

Cathy Barton and Dave Para and the Paton Family released a Christmas album back in 1989 that quickly became one of my absolute favorite yule recordings. The title is 'Twas on a Night Like This on the Folk-Legacy label. While every single track is a gem, my particular favorites are "Sweet Lamb", "Dark December", "Last Month of the Year", and "'Twas on a Night Like This".

Maddy Prior has several Christmas CDs and there are lots of winners there as well.

Jackson Browne's "The Rebel Jesus", which I discovered through a previous Mudcat Thread is not a typical Christmas song but does make one ponder the meaning of the holiday.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 02:56 PM

Acorn4, that sounds like just the kind of thing to pique my interest: less familiar songs, origonal tunes and regional variations, all. Many thanks indeed for the kind offer of your own copy, but I reckon I'd prolly need the tunes too. So I will contact the club. Cheers for the help, Rosie

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 02:43 PM

MMario, I might not know many (or any) of the less well known songs, but if I were to list those classic Christmas songs that I do know, it'd still be a pretty long list to type out in it's entirity 'cos it'd include all the stuff I've heard since a wee 'un: 'Away in a Manger', 'Noel', 'Ding Dong Merrily on High', 'Good King Wenceslass', 'Silent Night' etcetera, etcetera. Forgive if I don't cite 'em all! But I think you get my drift.

Hi Old Roger, that sounds an interesting project! What cultures or nations are you sourcing your non-British Christmas songs from, may I ask?

I'm in Essex BTW, not too far from Colchester if that helps?

As you hail from this part of the UK, although it's rather the opposite of your own far more cosmopolitan brief, I wonder if you happen to know of any Christmas songs that are specific to East-Anglia? Some nice helpful people directed me to the song gatherings of Ralph Vaughn Williams for songs from these counties. But I haven't quite got as far as looking into possible Christmas songs from these parts as yet.

Rosie, the rosier for a mid-week glass of wine..

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 02:36 PM

To the tune of The Magi:

Ancient humans came from darkness and they spread across the planet
They saw the sky above them, and they learned to find their way
Out of ignorance and shadow to the hope of human kindness
They were strengthened by the knowledge that they gathered every day
And all wise folk speak of peace on earth, of harmony and struggle
Yet another cycle's gone, and a new one will begin
On this darkest day of winter, we recall that the Spring will come again
On the darkest day of winter, we cherish light with green and kith and kin...
Well now, each of us must travel, yes we all must make our journey
It seems that time is telling us to use all we can know
To help lift up the fallen we must sow the seeds of goodness
The torch has passed among us now to light the way to go
For our hearts are as a chalice, and our dreams are of the sunlight
They burn away the darkness as we kiss 'neath mistletoe
Unlike eagles, flying higher, unlike rivers down their canyons
When diamond stars shine down on us, we know whereof they glow...
And the wise still speak of peace on earth, of harmony and struggle
Yet another cycle's gone, and a new one will begin
On the darkest day of winter, we remember that the Spring will come again
On the darkest day of winter, we cherish light with green and kith and kin...

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Rog Peek
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 02:23 PM

Here's a few:

thread.cfm?threadid=28738#358946


'The St. Stephen's Day Murders' is one I particularly enjoy singing and resurect each Christmas when the family are 'round.

Rog

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Acorn4
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 02:17 PM

Every Christmas the "Grand Union" at Barrow on Soar, Leicestershire runs a carols session. These are either ones you don't normally hear or familiar ones to the original tunes or regional variations.

I have an old copy of two years ago, but it only has lyrics not tunes. If you pm me I can put it in the post.

Alternatively contact the club:-


Grand Union Folk Club, Soar Bridge, Barrow upon Soar. 2nd Monday of month at 20:30.
Bill:                01509 813566       , email: [e-mail]
(10 miles from Leicester)

This years session is actually on Monday Dec 8th, but tickets usually sell out before the night.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Old Roger
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 02:14 PM

Hi Rosie,

me and my other half plan to sing non British traditional carols at our folk club (The Wolf Folk Club) at the session just before Christmas and we are encouraging our members to try something a little less usual too. After all, the big retail outlets and the broadcasters will give us enough of the top selling carols. We are in East Anglia too. Whereabouts are you.

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: MMario
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 02:11 PM

Rosie - since you are in the UK - and some of us are in the US - what are the carols **YOU*** hear over and over ad nauseum?

MMario

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 01:58 PM

Hi Claire,
Well I'm in the UK, East-Anglia in fact. I keep forgetting that this list has lots and lots of members from across the pond!

And I must confess that the only Christmas songs I really know, are the ones that >ducks flaming mince pie missiles< are the carols that are sung to death every year in every junior school, high street and village... So what will be completely unfamiliar to my ear, will probably be just 'the usual' to most folk on here!

As for a potential audience, just family, friends or a local pub eve. Or maybe even a little busk with my Da, we keep talking about doing it! Maybe this will be the year we do.

Pagan(neo?) or Yule songs would indeed be very interesting, as I'm a bit of a heathen at heart myself.

As would songs that are about interesting or obscure little Christian stories.

Anything in the traditional 'spirit' of the season. Does it help if I mention the fact that I'm quite fond of Medieval Mystery Plays and such-like?

Cheers, Rosie

Subject: RE: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: ClaireBear
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 12:35 PM

Rosie, if you don't mind my asking. are you in the U.S., in the UK, or somewhere else? That will help us know what the "usual" songs might be.

Also, where will you be singing? To other Mudcatters or in a folk music venue? In shopping malls? Out caroling? At parties?

And finally, are you hoping for secular seasonal songs, less-known Christian material, pagan Yule songs, or...?

Claire

Subject: Not the Usual Christmas Songs
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 12:18 PM

The 'Five Weeks' thread made me think on this.

If I fancied learning something a bit different for singing around Christmas, what traditional seasonal songs are out there, which will be less familiar (and perhaps a bit more interesting) to the average person like me?