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You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly

Sleepy Rosie 14 Nov 08 - 03:44 PM
Jack Blandiver 14 Nov 08 - 04:00 PM
Sleepy Rosie 14 Nov 08 - 05:36 PM
Jack Blandiver 15 Nov 08 - 03:13 AM
Barry Finn 15 Nov 08 - 08:26 AM
GUEST,Rafflesbear 15 Nov 08 - 08:43 AM
GUEST,Rafflesbear 15 Nov 08 - 09:18 AM
GUEST 15 Nov 08 - 09:19 AM
GUEST,Rafflesbear 15 Nov 08 - 09:20 AM
Sleepy Rosie 15 Nov 08 - 09:25 AM
Dave the Gnome 15 Nov 08 - 10:22 AM
Dead Horse 15 Nov 08 - 11:05 AM
GUEST,Rafflesbear 16 Nov 08 - 05:55 AM
Jack Blandiver 16 Nov 08 - 06:05 AM
ard mhacha 16 Nov 08 - 06:12 AM
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Subject: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 03:44 PM

There's been quite an extensive discussion on the "Folk Club Manners" thread, about what constitutes either a worthwhile decent performance, or indeed an inexcusable and dreadful performance.

But without given examples, such a discussion can appear confusing, especially to an outsider or the uninitiated.

Some posters have begun to helpfully illustrate this debate by offering tentative examples of what might or might not be suitable in a folk venue.

I wonder if members here, would be willing to post links of what they consider to be worthwhile, excellent, poor, dire etc. (all dependent on a specific hypothetical context of course.)

>Holds breath and waits for scene of tumbleweed rolling accross desertlike thread....<


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 04:00 PM

This is me doing a Kipling / Bellamy classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KadKUACj_4c

This isn't bad miming, just crap sync on my old video editing software.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 05:36 PM

Nothing bad there Insane Beard, that was bluddy fabulous! I'm most impresssed, very intrestin...

Though you failed (regards the intitial posts brief), to help the uninitiated (be me) to know wetha the tubey proffered fitted any more 'collectively agreed' criterea...


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 03:13 AM

Here I'm treating YouTube as a singaround basically. I've always been troubled by notions of self-promotion which, in folkish terms, can be anything from judging oneself somehow qualified to sing a song in a singaround to having the audacity to make and promote your own CD/CD-R. On You Tube the critics are honest, often quite brutally so, which makes a change from the mutual sycophancy that typifies myspace, but video owners at least have the option of removing comments should things get nasty. This is something I never do myself, enjoying that aspect of YouTube as much as any other. A good example might be http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=993m0yRR0bg - which is a wee film I made of the annual Cheese Rolling in Chester which, for whatever reason, has stimulated some choice comments, though none of them directed at the film or its maker - or http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YVzsWVuDMm0 - my al fresco Long Lankin which at one point is dismissed as pretentious shite.

Not only must the lowly folk-singer be his own agent, but also his own critic; YouTube helps one objectify oneself in a certain respect, to help see ourselves as others see us, and to perhaps draw that awareness into a wider appreciation of what might well be a more collectively agreed criteria, depending, of course, on any number of variables, or foibles, or just the plain crankiness that might compel one to do it in the first place.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Barry Finn
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 08:26 AM

What happened? They're all no longer available.

Barry


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: GUEST,Rafflesbear
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 08:43 AM

It ain't 'appening for me either - do we need another shilling in the meter ?


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: GUEST,Rafflesbear
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 09:18 AM

let's try splitting it -

I have a wonderful example of the truly dire recorded at a folk club - sounds more like a primary school music lesson that's not going too well - but because of Folk Club Manners I ain't going public !!!


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 09:19 AM

on the other hand I love these guys and especially the little wiggle

Whip Jamboree

also - Mr nice-guy himself

Ed Mulrooney


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: GUEST,Rafflesbear
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 09:20 AM

plus the only duo I know who come to brilliance from the other direction

TDL

and for something a bit different how about this

Stellar Art Wars

(the last one was me as well)


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 09:25 AM

Comments on the cheese rolling vid are utterly hysterical. But I like the ref to the evidently more manly Gloustershire fest best,
"Real men, real cheese!" ...excellent.

Anyone else willing to put their tubeys up?


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 10:22 AM

Hi Sleepy Rosie

Pete Ryder

Just posted it on the Manners thread.

Did you pick up the Pagan-ish album yet? Pick up 'Lionize' as well - 25 years of live music at the White Lion.

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Dead Horse
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 11:05 AM

This pair will never amount to anything.
Trust me, I am a critic you know :-)


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: GUEST,Rafflesbear
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 05:55 AM

I challenge you to watch this without smiling :-D

chuckleworthy


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 06:05 AM

Sacrilege! Here's the original, as sung by The Avalon Boys:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A29n5-ZSW1w

One of those rare moments when the Logos reveals its smiling face to humanity through the medium of great art...


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: ard mhacha
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 06:12 AM

Brilliant Rafflesbear,very funny.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: RangerSteve
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 07:19 AM

I prefer version that Insane Beard mentioned. What a great way to start a morning. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Gedi
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 07:29 AM

Those cheese rolling comments were brilliant, not laughed so much for ages!

Now if this poor lass turned up at the Beech (not that that's likely given that she's Japanese), I'd be outta there like a shot....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XR3c0xlQIEM&feature=related


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Will Fly
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 07:31 AM

Was Doodles Weaver one of the Avalon Boys? Looks like him in the film - he went on to sing with the great Spike Jones.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: treewind
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 09:09 AM

Have to agree - original Laurel & Hardy + Avalon boys is simply fabulous!

A.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 09:33 AM

Laurel and Hardy Rock...!

Would it incite riots for me as a general 'innocent' to folk, to suggest that Maddy Priors singing, was a bit err turgid and cardboardlike? >gets coat<


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 10:21 AM

Nah, would it heck, Sleepy Rosie. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. As long as you accept that mine is right:-)

DeF


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Will Fly
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 10:25 AM

All the world's queer, Sleepy Rosie, save thee and me - and I'm not so sure about thee... :-)

I think Maddy's voice on the early Steeleye albums was very pure and clear and quite delightful but - as the cunning D el G has intimated - it's all personal taste in the end.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 12:03 PM

As an amatuer singer, I've been told that my voice is "very pure, beautiful and clear", which of course is jolly nice to hear an awl that.

Objectively however, I can hear both the qualities of my voice alongside it's limitations: meaning I can see that I have plenty of 'prettiness/light' but lack enough 'dirt/earth' for my own taste.

I dunno wht I can do about that, except possibly run with what stregths I may have...

But then I've read on this same forum, that pure and lovely voices, just aint interesting for folk song. They are dull. And as a listener, though I probably sit somewhere in the middle, I do well understand that complaint.

For as a listener, I'd probably be more interested in a more rough yet innovative vocal expression, than a classically 'lovely' one.

Errgh! Thorticles?


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 12:08 PM

I think I got me abit muddled bout what threads I was meaning to post the above question to.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: GUEST,Rafflesbear
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 05:57 PM

Endearing young lady but not sure what's going on in the background

Rolfie


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: peregrina
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 06:20 PM

Classic: 'Ah cud hew' unaccompanied
here


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 23 Nov 08 - 01:19 PM

Find this so charming! From the school of minimal acting...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=55w7nOtWx8s


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 23 Nov 08 - 01:29 PM

for cringe factor


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nyLTVZLE1rY


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Will Fly
Date: 23 Nov 08 - 03:06 PM

Ah - the wonderful Jo Stafford as "Darlene Edwards"! My favourite Jo Stafford persona was "Cinderella Stump" in the Red Ingle recordings "Seratun Yob" (Nature Boy) and "Timtayshun" - musical comedy perfection.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 23 Nov 08 - 03:28 PM

Jonathan and Darlene's Greatest Hits vol II. Really pciks me up when I am blue.

I must build my PDQ Bach collection up again. I left mine behind with daughter when I moved to UK. Really miss it.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:59 PM

I've lost the other thread that got merrily derailed in a random YouTube fest. So here's this 'un instead.

Catdudepeeps, please post your random musical (non-folk) tubicles here for delectisisation and musical informisation...

Whatever happened to Old School...? It's all big arses and bling now. But there's still some real rythm poets out there. This all new I recently discovered slick classy noise

Ain't she de'lovely? If I were gay this would seduce... Honey, honey, honey

And recent apocalyptic dreamings posted on this very list, send me back yet again to this. The most excruciatingly and impossibly exquisite Louange à l'éternité de Jésus From the Quartet at the End of Time. Sigh....


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:34 AM

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fGIelcG0r3s


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 10:56 AM

Heh, I love that as it happens.

I fink this thread is going to turn into pure self indulgence...

I like virtually all the tracks off the ambienty Eno B Side of Heroes, but haven't played my dusty old stash of vinyl for a good while, quite nice to find Moss Garden

And the wickedest lyricist I ever heard! From another album I havn't listened in yonks. Pity about the shite sound quality, but worth enduring for the vile brilliance of his wit.
Fabulous blasphemy...
Since their neurosis is what passes for normality...
Beautiful - god bless you YouTube.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: kerry and Mandy
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 12:51 PM

dont forget we are there to. he he he.
http://uk.youtube.com/profile?user=dubris22&view=videos
as well as Paul Sirman, Ron Trueman-Border and mick Valentine.


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: kerry and Mandy
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 12:52 PM

and the great Johnny Collins as well


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 05:21 PM

I must confess my interest is purely selfish.
I adore finding new good music... In fact I need it.
Please expose me?
Pathetic please?

This is quite good, turn it up *ear-splitting loud.

Do post interesting tubes. I love interesting music.......


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 04:10 PM

J.J. Cale at his sublime creamy loveliest? Ohh... yeah, I think so.

Do I care that no-one else gives a shite? Well no of course not, when beholding musical beauty like Your Silent Face strips my mind bare.

You will miss this, if you are a musically derilect imbecile: Japanese Death Jazz. Trust me, it's quite f*ing good... ;-)

Come along, I'm still convinced that the folk on this list have an obscure and interesting variety of Marmite in their musical palettes?


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Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly
From: GUEST,The wanderer
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 09:34 AM

Tap in Dentdale show 2008 for a bit of a laugh and some of you might recognise one of the nutters being featured


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