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Review: A Red Red Rose, sung by Andy M. Stewart

olddude 01 Jan 09 - 03:11 PM
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Subject: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 03:11 PM

Wow, so darn beautiful
Red Red Rose


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: GUEST,the lemonade lady
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 03:16 PM

Should only be sung by a Scot. it's beautifully sung and nicely produced.

All Scots songs should be sung in a Scots accent by Scots and not by sassenachs pretending to be Scots.

I feel quite passionate about that!

Sal


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 03:28 PM

Dear Sal

WTF

Andy M. Stewart (b. 8 September 1952, Alyth, Perthshire) is a Scottish singer and songwriter

unless Perthshire is not Scotland?


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 03:32 PM

Sometimes I wonder if I am wasting my time here
maybe I am. Last time I will post some nice music for others.

Born in Perthshire, Scotland, Andy grew up in a family noted for its fine traditional singing. He first drew the attention of the music world with his work as lead singer and instrumentalist for Silly Wizard, with whom he toured until their break-up in 1988. It was while Andy was in the Wizards that he gained much recognition for his beautiful interpretations of the traditional songs of Scotland and Ireland and also became known as a master of songwriting in the traditional style. Self-penned gems such as "The Ramblin' Rover", "Golden, Golden", "The Queen of Argyll", and "Where are You Tonight, I Wonder" have become almost instant classics, and have been recorded by June Tabor, The Dubliners and Deanta, to name a few. As an accomplished banjo player, his ear for a good tune has been displayed in his arranging and composing abilities; a style that set the precedent for many an up-and-coming band in the ever-expanding world of Celtic music.


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: maeve
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 03:35 PM

I love his work, olddude. Thanks.

maeve


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 03:37 PM

You and WAV have a lot in common you will enjoy the immigration poetry. By the way, don't listen to any American tunes sung by non Americans, Or Irish , Or British or ........ everyone else who wishes can add your own here to the list.   Forget it is great music, great poetry by a great singer featuring the artwork of Scotland

I am outta here for a bit ... I am wasting my time here

WTF


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 03:40 PM

Sal was approving that the song was by a Scot. She did say it's beautifully sung and nicely produced.

I like the song like a Stewart's voice. I do not like the musical arrangement.

Should be sung simply and unnaccompaied so the poem and singer's voice shine.


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 03:43 PM

I should say - Sal implied approval in her statement. I think you misinterpreted her.


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 03:54 PM

Should ONLY be sung by a SCOT
No I understand a bigot


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 04:03 PM

Should only be sung by a Scot

All Scots songs should be sung in a Scots accent by Scots and not by sassenachs pretending to be Scots.


then all American songs should be sung by americans right, and all American accents should be by true americans. Not those pesky Europeans who pretend to do rock and roll as americans or Rap musicians or Irish folk artists or ....

What Bigotry ... sorry but I do not tolerate a bigot in any aspect of my life music or otherwise. If anyone else thinks it is ok in this community then you are mistaken sadly not for this guy. But then again who am I but a wanna be musician

see ya


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Nerd
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 04:21 PM

Also, while Burns translated "Red, Red Rose" into Scots, it's really a version of "Ten Thousand Miles," an internationally-distributed English-language folksong. The first verse was taken from "The Wanton Wife of Castle-Gate," which I believe is English in origin. So it isn't really Scots in origin or in essence. There's no reason it can't be translated back into English and sung that way!


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 04:22 PM

maybe I am just in a bad mood
but I call em as I see em
sometimes people can write something that comes across the wrong way. I don't know the person but sure didn't like the comment

anyway, I hope everyone enjoys the New Year

Dan


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Maryrrf
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 04:40 PM

I'm not of the opinion that only a Scot can sing scots songs, but they usually do a better job of it than a non Scot. In this case Andy's version is exquisite - but then again he's one of my all time favorite singers.


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 08:39 AM

OldDude

Sorry i misinterpreted your response to Sal. Looks like misunderstandings are the order of the day.

Genuinely wishing you a happier new year than it seems to have been for you thus far.

from am an american who sings all sorts of stuff


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 09:05 AM

Virginia
Thank you and you to. Just grumpy that's all. No apology needed. Sal pressed my buttons the wrong way. I remember 15 years ago visiting Ireland and playing Hank Williams in a small pub with some locals. What joy to hear them play even with their "made up southern accents" The joy on their faces playing the old American Country Music tunes. As long as people enjoy music, want to play music who cares, isn't that what this place is supposed to be about. Sharing folks music. Not sharing folk music only for specific cultures.

George P here on mudcat IMO made a masterpiece interpreting a Greek Folk song. Translating it to English ... Why ... now others will be able to hear, understand, learn and enjoy ...

"Nationalism" it only leads to hate. We only need to look at the middle east right now to see what it does.

Anyway, I am done with my rant, I am normally not so grumpy. I need to step back for a little bit. But none of my rant was to hurt you or anyone else.


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Tootler
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 09:51 AM

I understand exactly what riled you, olddude.

This summer, at Folkworks Summer School, I was talking to Janet Russell - very much a Scots Folksinger - about singing Burns if you did not have a Scots accent. (I had just heard her sing "The Lea Rig") Her response to me was "go ahead and sing them and make them your own".

I am Scots born, btw, my Mother was from Aberdeen and my Father from Saltburn in North Yorkshire. I have lived most of my life in England and very much have a Northern English accent. I do enjoy and sing Burns songs and I am not going to let the likes of TLL stop me. If she does not like it, well she knows what she can do.


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Tootler
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 10:04 AM

It was very well sung, btw and the accompaniment complemented the singer very well I thought. Also some very fine fiddle in the middle.

Here is The Lea Rig


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 10:30 AM

Tootler
Roddy Woomble - absolutely beautiful thank you for sharing that with me


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 11:02 AM

Thanks for posting, olddude. It's a lovely start for a new year.

(I share your views on people who exploit music to start ethnic squabbles. There's too much of that in this world.)


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: maeve
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 11:12 AM

I sing what I am moved to sing, seeking to make words and tune my own while respecting the tradition and history of the song and those who have sung it before. I work hard at understanding both.

I don't know the reasons Sal has for speaking so strongly but she seems a reasonable and friendly person in other posts and I assume she has reasons. I have been repulsed by singers who put on a false accent as I put on a pair of shoes, to be kicked off as they leave the stage. I've also been moved and enriched by the evidence of both personal and artistic connections a musician can discover with cultures and experiences that would seem to be far from his or her own life.

I do know I respond to the joy and effort a person puts into his or her music making. I also am more drawn to an honest attempt to retain the spirit and language of the song than I am to a person who appears to mimic dialect without understanding or respect or (horrors!) a person who pretends to be something he or she is not. There is a difference.

Let's be gentle with each other. There is a wealth of music and the fascination of different viewpoints waiting for us.

Regards,

maeve


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 12:44 PM

A Scots accent isn't an easy one to get right. Using Scots pronunciations of words where it makes a difference to a song is about the best you can hope for if you didn't spend your childhood in Scotland. I can't do better than that and I've been here since 1976 (my accent is mainly a mixture of English and Kiwi).

I can't think of any non-Scottish actor who's done as a good a job on Scots as Vivien Leigh did on on aristo southern American or Renee Zellweger on middle-class southern English.


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 01:49 PM

If a song any song from any culture gives the artist some joy and maybe some others what does it matter. If a fake accent ruins the song, so be it don't listen .... that is what I do, walk away.    I am on record I hate rap but I spent hours in my office a month ago helping a young guy record a demo on my home recording software because some folks in the industry were interested. I didn't even know the young man but the Chamber of Commerce in my small town knew I could at least help him get a workable demo for free because he had no money and no friends and just moved into the town.   

I guess it is really good Rap .. I don't know anything about Rap but I helped him because he was a good and decent person from what i can see and wants to make his type of music. I don't have to like it, he liked it and others liked it. Would I tell a Scots he could not make a Street Rap song because he is not American ... gimme a break

Who appointed any of us on Mudcat become the authority to tell others what cultural songs people can or cannot sing.   Maeve got it right! Don't you think there is enough of this stuff already in the world.

People hate my singing and playing. Other think the songs I write are decent. It is all a matter of the listener but I can say I do it for me ... not for the public because if I like a song I don't care if it is American, Scots, Irish or from India

No we will never be able to sing a native song like a native. But absolutely saying that only a native is allowed to sing a native Folk song is like saying you better not try doing the old Blues unless you are an African American and felt the pain ...

MUSIC you see cuts through all cultures ... I like Opera also ...
I am not Italian, I learned it to understand what they were singing because the Aria's were so beautiful to me ...

I also listen to the English translations of many Aria's ... still beautiful ... but telling people that they could not sing it unless they were Italian is hate mongering and this world has enough of it to fill the seas

Thank you Maeve, as always your gentle way can make this Irish American cool down a bit

Anyway to each their own, I have ranted enough. I just wanted to bring some nice music for people to hear. I won't make that mistake again


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 02:03 PM

Olddude, you're mad at ONE person and are lashing out at everybody.

Fakey accents bother me, but people should sing what they want and if the songs bother others, it's THEIR problem. Don't worry about it. Sing what you want and let others worry about musical ethnic purity.

As to 'People hate my singing and playing. ' who the FUCK said that!? It certainly wasn't me and I haven't seen anyone else say it. You don't need anyone's approval, but I believe you've received a bit of support here?


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 02:03 PM

For the Pompous Prats of Mudcat, (sadly, mostly from England, I fear):

My Love is Like a Red Red Rose - In an American Accent - Stunningly Beautiful


Thank you, Dan, for posting Andy's lovely rendition of Robert's song.


I hope the souls of Eva Cassidy and Robert Burns have come into contact with one another 'up above' because something tells me that Ol' Robbie, with his love of women, would be sitting there utterly entranced at hearing Eva sing this..

:0)


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 02:24 PM

Jeri
Hot Heading Irish Temper
nothing more ... I apologize if I offended everyone

gets my old dander up and my grand paw would say

Anyway ... Yes people here have been very supportive. Others elsewhere no ... but that is ok ... I keep gettin back on the horse

enough of the rant


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 02:38 PM

Oh. OK. Nevermind :-)


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 07:30 PM

I may apologize
but I am still not eating a Fruit Cake or Jello !!
:=)


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Tootler
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 07:30 PM

More Burns: Ae Fond Kiss

And time for bed


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 04 Jan 09 - 07:23 PM

Must admit it grates when people who obviously don't have a clue about the language attempt songs in Low German. If they want to sing them they might as well try to get it right, not just half right. On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to sing most of my favourite songs if I was only allowed to sing in my native language: no Scottish, no English, no Canadian, no American, no Dutch songs. So, on the whole I'm on the side of tolerance.

About Andy M. Stewart, I agree with some opinions above that the songs on that album seem slightly over-arranged to me. But he's got such a great voice that I don't mind too much. It's still one of my favourite albums.


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Jan 09 - 08:43 PM

Old Dude-

Be aware that "guests" like Sal may say anything and those of us who are regular members don't have a clue who they are or whether they will have the grace to explain their posts.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble, who has been known to grumble as well (even when no one posts!)


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Subject: RE: Review: A RED, RED ROSEsung by Andy M. Stewart
From: maeve
Date: 04 Jan 09 - 09:43 PM

Sal is a regular member, Charlie. Let's let this go and listen to the music links.

maeve


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