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Origins: Golden Vanity Variants

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Subject: RE: Origins: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Apr 22 - 02:17 AM

Found this in another thread:
    Thread #49885   Message #4125228
    Posted By: clueless don
    05-Nov-21 - 06:20 AM
    Thread Name: Versions: The Turkish Reverie/Golden Vanity
    Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Turkish Reverie

    The late Margaret MacArthur did an American variant called "The Weeping Willow Tree". One notable characteristic was that the little sailor/boy turned the tables on the treacherous captain.



John Roberts sings the Margaret MacArthur version, and it was posted just above by Desert Dancer - MacArthur got that version from Lena Bourne Fish.


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Subject: ADD Version: The Golden Willow Tree (Joel Mabus)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Apr 22 - 01:52 AM

Robert Rodriquez was wondering if there might be versions where the cabin boy sinks his own ship after his captain refuses to honor the promise of payment for sinking the enemy ship.
Casey Casebeer came up with one, "The Golden Willow Tree," by Joel Mabus.

    Mabus says: 7. The Golden Willow Tree is a ballad with many names - often called The Golden Vanity. Sometimes shelved as a "Child Ballad," it has been around since the days of Sir Walter Raleigh, whose exploits the earliest versions expound. Aaron Copland once turned it into a fancy high-art piece, but in earthier editions it is still a favorite with traditional balladeers. I made my own version from several I have heard, notably those from Arkansas. But I have stitched in a few verses of my own and let my own language tell the story. Another instance of nothing new under the sun, the duplicitous captain and his venal crew are the very picture of recent Wall Street scoundrels. [liner notes - (click)]


        
Lyrics by Joel Mabus
Golden Willow Tree
(Fossil 1504)


THE GOLDEN WILLOW TREE
(traditional, arranged & adapted by Joel Mabus)

Well there was a little ship sailin' on the sea
Oh the low the lonesome low
There was a little ship a-sailin' on the sea
And the name of the ship was The Golden Willow Tree
Sailing on the lonesome lonesome low
Sailing on the lonesome sea

They hadn't been to sea two weeks or three
When along come the pirate, Turkish Sugaree

The captain turned to his able crew
Saying, oh brave boys what will I ever do?

Captain, oh captain, what will you pay
To the man who can sink the Turkish Sugaray

Why I'd give my daughter and a sack of my gold
To the brave boy who could prove so bold

Then the little cabin boy jumped in the sea
And he swum 'til he come to the Turkish Sugaree

And he had a little auger fitted for the use
He drilled nine holes and he let in the juice

Some with their hats and some with their caps
Tried to keep the water from a-comin' through the gaps

But every man aboard the Turkish Sugaree
Met his doom in the bottom of the sea

Then the little cabin boy swum back to the fold
Said, haul me up aboard boys; I'm dyin of the cold

But the Captain said - you'll not come aboard
You won't have my daughter and you won't have my gold

Oh captain, captain how can it be
You'd pay your man with such treachery

Oh my gold is my pride -- my daughter is my joy
And I won't give 'em up to a black cabin boy

Now there's a little cabin boy drownin' in the sea
And he's drilling little holes in the Golden Willow Tree
He'll sink 'em in the lonesome lonesome low
Sink 'em in the lonesome sea


Any other versions of the song where the boy sinks his own captain's ship??


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 12:44 AM

Sinsull mentioned the version that John Roberts sings. I was just enjoying it recently, from his CD, "Sea Fever, Songs of Ships and the Sea" GHM-108 (2007) http://www.goldenhindmusic.com/. Here are the notes and lyrics from that site.

~ Becky in Long Beach

The Weeping Willow Tree

The Weeping Willow Tree was given to the Vermont collector Helen Hartness Flanders by Lena Bourne "Grammy" Fish of E. Jaffrey, NH. Since this version of The Golden Vanity has a twist in the tail, folklorists have suggested that Mrs. Fish rewrote the ending. I learned it from my dear friend the late Margaret MacArthur of Marlboro, VT.

A sailing ship was fashioned to sail the southern seas
    Down in the Lowlands low,
She was handsome, she was tall, and as trim as trim could be
The name of the ship was the Weeping Willow Tree
    This ship built in the Lowlands, Lowlands low,
    Born to ride the waves, hi, ho.

Her crew were hearty seamen, as brave as brave could be
    Lads from the Lowlands low,
Her decks were broad and wide, and as white as white could be
And on her sail was printed a weeping willow tree
    In this ship built in the Lowlands, Lowlands low,
    Born to ride the waves, hi, ho.

This worthy ship was chosen to sail the Spanish Main
    Far from the Lowlands low,
Our captain he was shrewd, he was also proud and vain
And he hoped by his shrewd dealings a fortune for to gain
    In this ship built in the Lowlands, Lowlands low,
    Born to ride the waves, hi, ho.

As our ship was sailing all on the southern seas
    Far from the Lowlands low,
We met a Spanish ship called the Royal Castilee
And they jeered at the crew of the Weeping Willow Tree
    This ship built in the Lowlands, Lowlands low,
    Born to ride the waves, hi, ho.

The captain called his cabin boy, as he had done before,
    A lad from the Lowlands low,
He said, Boy, you can swim, and your stroke is swift and sure
That sassy Spanish ship, she'll never reach the shore
    You'll sink her in the ocean low, low, low,
    You'll sink her in the ocean low.

In your hand you'll take an augur, and swim to her side
    For we're from the Lowlands low,
And there you'll bore a hole, and you'll bore it deep and wide
For five hundred pounds in gold and to be first mate besides
    You'll sink her in the ocean low, low, low,
    You'll sink her in the ocean low.

So that was the end of the Royal Castilee
    She sank in the ocean low,
Her lofty sails so high and her haughty air so free
They were buried in the depths of the raging southern sea
    We sunk her in the ocean low, low, low,
    We sunk her in the ocean low.

The cabin boy exclaimed, Sir, I now demand my fee
    You knave from the Lowlands low,
Five hundred pounds in gold you now must give to me
And I also am first mate of the Weeping Willow Tree
    This ship built in the Lowlands, Lowlands low,
    Born to ride the waves, hi, ho.

You'll get no gold from me, boy, for causing this wreck
    You thief from the Lowlands low,
And he took the cabin boy by the nap of the neck
And he threw him overboard from the Weeping Willow's deck
    He threw him in the ocean low, low, low,
    He threw him in the ocean low.

Ah, but he still carried the augur as he had done before
    The lad from the Lowlands low,
His heart was full of vengeance and his stroke was swift and sure
Instead of boring one hole, he bored twenty-four
    In that ship built in the Lowlands, Lowlands low,
    Born to ride the waves, hi, ho.

This ship was two hundred leagues from the shore
    Far from the Lowlands low,
The captain and his crew they never reached the shore
And the wilds seemed to say, Fare thee well for evermore
    To that ship built in the Lowlands, Lowlands low,
    Born to ride the waves, hi, ho.

But one brave hearty seaman escaped the raging sea
    'Twas the lad from the Lowlands low,
He was picked up by a ship, so it has been told to me
And he told to us the tale of the Weeping Willow Tree
    That ship built in the Lowlands, Lowlands low,
    Born to ride the waves, hi, ho.


John Roberts Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KNOhzVA2Ak


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Richie
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 10:28 PM

This is evidently traditional from Granny Baird, Mo. pre1924 Lane/Hudson/Randolph B

Then says Sir Raleigh, what will we do?
Oh the lowland, lonesome sea,
The Turkish Robbery it will cut us in two,
As she sailed on the lowland lonesome low,
As we sail on the lonesome sea.

Richie


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 07:58 PM

One of my favorite folkie versions was done by Rick Lee as "The Merry Golden Tree."


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Richie
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 05:55 PM

Hi,

The text with "Sir Walter Raleigh built a ship in the Netherlands" is probably from George Edwards. Edwards sent it in in 1934- it's Flanders F2 version in Ancient Ballads. Edwards grandfather was from the British Isles.

This is his family version. Another completely different version was collected from Edwards by Cazden. So it raises questions about the authenticity of the first text.

Richie


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: GUEST,Iona
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 01:35 AM

I know of a very admirable version of "The Golden Vanity" done by Tommy Makem in his album The Song Tradition. Makem and Clancy also did this song in their album The Makem and Clancy Collection.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Mysha
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 11:59 PM

Hi,

I know of two Dutch translations of Golden Vanity, both by Lennaert Nijgh. However, they are quite different.

One, De Gulden Hoorn (The Golden Horn), among those here, has the boy taking an auger, making 24 holes in the Dunkirk enemy ship while its crew dices and drinks, and after his return being at first refused, but when he threatens the Golden Horn as well and his crew mates threaten to hang the captain, he eventually gets his full reward: Three chests with gold and silver, and the captain's daughter in marriage.

The other, De Noordzee (The North Sea), something like this, has the boy drilling 3 holes in the Spanish enemy ship, and after his return being denied, but eventually rescued by the crew, only to die on the deck and be given back to the sea.

It would be interesting to see where these two fit in; what the English versions were that Nijgh translated from.

Bye
                                                                Mysha


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: GUEST,Grace
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 09:11 PM

Here's the cool rendition of "The Golden Vanity" by Crooked Still

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4J9ZV62vBs


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Joe_F
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 08:08 PM

Richard Dyer-Bennet also sings a version (The Golden Vanity this time -- essentially the same as given by Amos 22 Jul 04) on the LP MG 20007 ("Tom Glazer sings Olden Ballads" on one side, "Richard Dyer-Bennet sings Old Ballads" on t'other).


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 01:57 PM

There are lots of last verses, concluding the story, but this added one of yours sounds like it comes through the filter of a singer who felt the need to draw conclusions. Putting a "moral" on the end of the song may be representative of a certain period in time when morals to stories or songs were popular, so this was added on. You know, a trend, akin to the types of messages you find on historic gravestones or the tendency for novels of a period to all have happy endings or sad endings, depending on the popular or religious sentiment.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: GUEST,Val bayley
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 12:47 PM

loads of variety, but no last verse, where did I hear this?

well the moral of this tale
It is surely plain to see
before you join the fight identify your enemy
Or you'll end up in that loe and lonesome etc.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Brian Peters
Date: 12 May 11 - 05:42 AM

Richard - I finally got round to asking Roy about that version you recorded. He thinks he heard it originally from someone in the Critics Group on a record of sea songs, so your theory might be correct. Roy says that he then went to Child A for a text, remarking that "I couldn't resist a line like 'Shame on you for a cozening Lord'", partly with the aim of creating a version different from the standard ones.

He eventually dropped the song because (I hope he won't mind me quoting him, but I think the point he makes is an important one that should inform all of us singers) "my head was in it, not my heart, never a good reason for singing any song". He also makes some self-deprecatory remarks about the likely quality of the song you have on tape and suggests you should listen to Burl Ives' version instead - but that's Roy. Modest to the last. I bet it's a cracker really.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 12:18 PM

Both of those singers spend a lot of time not singing, with just the "accompaniment" going on; which isn't at all my cup of tea. I was about to apologise for serious thread drift, but it occurs to me that the various treatments by different singers emphasise how popular this song still is.

Getting back closer to the subject: the different endings to the story also seem noteworthy.

In some versions, the boy is left in the sea to drown. In some, his messmates rescue him but he then dies on the deck. In some he threatens to sink his own ship, whereupon the captain decides to honour his promises. And there's at least one version where the boy does sink his own ship and somehow (unexplained) survives to reach land and tell his tale, while the captain and the rest of the crew drown.

Brian, Did you find out from Roy about his version? Was it from John Faulkner and Sandra Kerr?

Richard


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 06:35 PM

raymond crooke [above video] has the balance right between his voice and guitar, furthermore he can project his voice and his diction is good, and he keeps his accompaniment how it should be [accompaniment and simple], so that it does not distract from the singing.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 05:58 PM

this is better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-ezyv6Ymuk


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 05:53 PM

er it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eydz4l07jl8


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 05:52 PM

here is an unusual version, it is a shadow of the original carter family[which seems hard to locate] version however.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 05:48 PM

Roy's version starts with
Sir Walter Raleigh built a ship
In the Netherlands.
and the ship is the Sweet Trinity, as in Child A.

Sounds very like the version sung by John Faulkner and Sandra Kerr on their 'John and Sandra' Argo LP (circa 1969)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 05:44 PM

roy is a member here, name of burl.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 04:51 PM

Brian said
> I've probably got that record myself somewhere!

There may be a record, but my recording is my own from one of Roy's visits to the Herga Folk Club.

Richard


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Brian Peters
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 08:06 AM

Funnily enough I spent an afternoon at Roy's house in Cardiff only last Monday. I need to email him to thank him and Elaine for their hospitality, so will ask about that version then. I've probably got that record myself somewhere!


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 08:03 AM

Brian,

Well, I've found the recording that I was looking for. The singer is Roy Harris.

The opening verse is partly but not entirely as I remembered it, and the tune is about the same; so I think what was in my head must have been a blend of his version with at least one other version – not surprising when so many versions have been collected and a good few of them have entered the Revival.

Roy's version starts with
    Sir Walter Raleigh built a ship
    In the Netherlands.
and the ship is the Sweet Trinity, as in Child A.

However this version is substantially different from Child A, so I suspect he put it together on the basis of Child A.

Are you able to contact him to enquire?

Richard


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Brian Peters
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 05:49 AM

"Apropos Sir Walter Raleigh: I have in my head the first verse of a version that mentions him but isn't the Child A version.

I'll try to trace who I heard that from."

Yes, please do.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 08:33 PM

Bronson includes 211 versions (with tunes)


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 07:50 PM

Apropos Sir Walter Raleigh: I have in my head the first verse of a version that mentions him but isn't the Child A version.

Sir Walter Raleigh has built him a ship
In the Netherlands.
She was built of the pine and the brave oak tree
But we feared she might be taken by the Spanish enemy,
Sailing in the lowlands low.

I'll try to trace who I heard that from.

While I'm here, I'll throw in a reminder of this thread Gold.Vanity. Can you REALLY sink a ship?

Richard


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Brian Peters
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 11:30 AM

And what about the one in which the enemy vessel is the dreaded 'Turkish Roving Canoe'??


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 11:08 AM

John Roberts does a version with the boy getting his revenge by sinking the Weeping Willow Tree and drowning all aboard. He survives to tell the tale.

That ship built in the Lowlands
Low low low
Born to ride the waves
Heigh Ho


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 11:03 AM

In the 1920's Robert Gordon received an American text in which the ship was the "bold Tennessee."


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Brian Peters
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 10:56 AM

"Does anyone know if a tune still exists for a version that actually mentions Sir Walter Raleigh? And, if so, where might I find it?"

The only version that mentions Rawleigh (sic) - and then only as the ship-builder, not a protagonist - is Child's A version, a broadside from the Pepys collection of the late 17th century (whoever wrote the Wikipedia entry dates the original broadside around 1635). Apparently there was a tune specified: 'The Sailing of the Low-Lands', but since Bertrand Bronson was unable to find it, I doubt whether you or I would stand much chance.

Incidentally, this early version specifies 'The Neatherlands' as the location of the events, before reverting to 'The Lowlands' in later verses.


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Subject: Lyr Add:The Golden Vanity
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 10:12 AM

THE GOLDEN VANITY

A ship I have got in the North Country
And she goes by the name of the Golden Vanity,
I fear she will be taken by a Spanish Ga-la-lie,
As she sails by the Low-lands low.

To the Captain then up spake the little Cabin-boy,
He said, What is my fee, if the galley I destroy,
The Spanish Ga-la-lie, if no more it shall annoy,
As you sail by the Low-lands low?

Of silver and gold I will give to you a store,
And my pretty little daughter that dwelleth on the shore,
Of treasure and of fee as well, I'll give to thee galore,
As we sail by the Low-lands low.

Then the boy bared his breast, and straightway leaped in.
And he held all in his hand an augur sharp and thin,
And he swam until he came to the Spanish Galleon,
As she lay by the Low-lands low.

He bored with the augur, he bored once and twice,
And some were playing cards, and some were playing dice,
When the water flowed in it dazzl-ed their eyes,
And she sank by the Low-lands low,

So the Cabin-boy did swim all to the larboard side,
Saying Captain! take me in, I am drifting with the tide!
I will shoot you! I will kill you! the cruel Captain cried,
You may sink by the Low-lands low.

Then the Cabin-boy did swim all to the starboard side,
Saying, Messmates, take me in, I am drifting with the tide!
Then they laid him on the deck, and he closed his eyes and died.
As they sailed by the Low lands low.

They sewed his body up, all in an old cow's hide,
And they cast the gallant Cabin-boy over the ship's side,
And left him without more ado adrifting with the tide,
And to sink by the Low-ands low.

NP


Having searched for this by both title, and distinctive line. This version appears not to be in the DT
This version is from:
"English Folk-Songs for Schools" (Curwen Edition 6051)
collected and arranged by S Baring Gould, M.A. and Cecil J. Sharp, B.A.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: GUEST,Hilary
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 07:00 PM

Does anyone know if a tune still exists for a version that actually mentions Sir Walter Raleigh? And, if so, where might I find it?


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 11:18 AM

Horton Barker's version has one of the most visual lines to be found in any folk song.

"Some a-playing cards and some a shooting dice
And every stood around a-giving good advice"

Anybody who has worked in a factory and watched their workmates playing cards or dominoes at lunchtime knows exactly what this means.
Sums up the genius of ballad-making for me totally.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Goose Gander
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 11:07 AM

This one has become my favorite version . .

TURKISH REVILLIE

As sung by Jack Little, Osceola, Arkansas on August 19, 1959

There was a fine ship started out on th sea
Cryin', O th lonesome low
There was a fine ship started out on th sea
She went by th name of th Green Willow Tree
While sailin' in th low lands, lonesome low
While sailin' in th low land sea

She had'nt been on sea more than a week or three
Cryin', O th lonesome low
She had'nt been on sea more than a week or three
When she was over taken by th Turkish Revillie
While sailin' in th low land, lonesome low
While sailin' in th low land sea

Up stepped th captain, what shall we do
Cryin', O th lonesome low
Up stepped th captain, what shall we do
She'll over take us, cut us intwo
She'll sink us in th low land, lonesome low
She'll sink us in th low land sea

Up stepped th cabin boy, what'll you give me
Cryin', O th lonesome low
Up stepped th cabin boy, what'll you give me
If I'll go an' sink that Turkish Revillie
I'll sink 'er in th low land, lonesome low
I'll sink 'er in th low land sea

O, it's I'll give you gold an' it's I'll give to thee
Cryin', O th lonesome low
O, it's I'll give you gold an' it's I'll give to thee
My eldest daughter, thy wedded wife to be
While sailin' in th low land, lonesome low
While sailin' in th low land sea

He fell upon his breast an' away swam he
Cryin', O th lonesome low
He fell upon his breast an' away swam he
He set his course for th Turkish Revillie
While sailin' in th low land, lonesome low
While sailin' in th low land sea

He dived underneath an' 'e went to his work
Cryin', O th lonesome low
He dived underneath an' 'e went to his work
He bored nine holes an' he bored 'em in a jerk
He sank 'er in th low land, lonesome low
He sank 'er in th low land sea

He fell upon his breast an' away swam he
Cryin', O th lonesome low
He fell upon his breast an' away swam he
He set his course for th Green Willow Tree
While sailin' in th low land, lonesome low
While sailin' in th low land sea

Captain, O captain, won't you take me on board
Cryin', O th lonesome low
Captain, O captain, won't you take me on board
An' won't you be as good as your word
While sailin' in th low land, lonesome low
While sailin' in th low land sea

No kind sir, I won't take you on board
Cryin', O th lonesome low
No kind sir, I won't take you on board
Neither will I be as good as my word
While sailin' in th low land, lonesome low
While sailin' in th low land sea

If it was'nt for respect that I have for your crew
Cryin', O th lonesome low
If it was'nt for respect that I have for your crew
I'd take time an' I 'd sink you too
I'd sink you in th low land, lonesome low
I'd sink you in th low land sea

He fell upon his breast an' away swam he
Cryin', O th lonesome low
He fell upon his breast an' away swam he
He bid farewell to th Green Willow Tree
While sailin' in th low land, lonesome low
While sailin' in th low land sea

SOURCE:
Max Hunter collection


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Stewie
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 10:41 AM

Barbara Dane's rendition will withstand the test of time. Wonderful!

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: GUEST,bill S from Melbourne
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 07:00 AM

Only one reference to the version that topped the charts, the first folksong I owned on a record though the B-side "My old Man's a Dustman" is probably more well remembered and has entered the tradition as a singalong.
Bill


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 04:29 PM

The Golden China Tree
Library of Congress 1740AI, Indiana

There was a little ship,
It sailed upon the sea;
The name of that ship was the Golden China Tree.
As she sailed on the lone, lonesome low.
As she sailed on the lonesome sea.

With music, "The Golden Vanity," Anglo-American Ballad, transcribed by B. Nettl.
The complete song was not included by Bruno Nettl, p. 67, Folk Music in the United States, an Introduction, Wayne State Univ. Press, 3rd. Ed., 1976.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: GUEST,Ian Gill
Date: 01 Dec 09 - 06:42 AM

As well as on 'Young Hunting' there is a terrific live version of 'Golden Vanitee'on 'Exe' by Tony Rose [Chuddleigh Roots CR 003]. It was recorded by Ed Haber at the Eagle Tavern in NYC, 1981, so the sleeve notes say. Tony's introductions alone are worth the price of this CD - it's wonderful.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Brian Peters
Date: 01 Dec 09 - 05:37 AM

A different version here, from the J M Carpenter MS, collected from a sailor in Cardiff Bay in 1929.

Interested in your comment, Gibb Sahib. I sing both the 'Derby Ram' and 'High Barbary' from Colcord, and they do indeed have the same opening musical phrase as my 'Golden Vanity'.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:24 PM

Thanks for posting my link, Mr.Happy! That one came straight from Stan Hugill's book; no oral/aural learning involved on my part.

I know we are generally talking about Golden Vanity as a text, but it is interesting as well how many chanteys (that happens to be the world I'm working in) start with the same melodic figure. "High Barbaree: and "Derby Ram" (again, both in their chantey forms) are two that come to mind.


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Haruo
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 03:04 PM

Thanks, Mysha, for the Reocities link. It's not clear to me if this is editable, or how or by whom, but as an archive of things as they were at the end of time this is better than archive.org, in that at least it has (as far as I can see) all the graphics and sound files.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 02:22 PM

I'm glad this thread came back up to the top. Great stuff here!

After my father died in 1997, a friend set up a song circle potluck celebration of life, and we all requested or sang songs, many of them favorites of Dad's. My sister and I debated which song we would each request, so I chose Golden Vanity as one he learned very early in his folk career and that everyone would know to sing along. That night with all of the diverse songs and remarks it became so clear how important his collection was, so I late that night I went out to his house and packed up all of his books, tapes, and LPs to put them immediately in safe storage.

When I was preparing the house to sell a few weeks later I stood in the empty front room, feeling that loneliness that comes when you move all personal effects from a space. I remember speaking out loud that I wished there was a sign that something of him was still around. At that moment I noticed the corner of a book on the shelf I was sure I'd completely emptied. I reached up and found the Penguin book of English Folksongs (mentioned earlier in the thread). I gently leafed the pages and it opened automatically to The Golden Vanity.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: RTim
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 10:15 AM

Hi all,
I just looked in the Roud Index for variants of The Golden Vanity.
There are 431 references in the catalogue! So pick the bones out of that.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: GUEST,OldNicKilby
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:58 AM

Interesting Georgina that I have a version of the Golden Vanity from an ancestor of mine who was born in Mowsely, where you did a lovely evening with"Voice of the People" last week .. It was collected in Vermont in the early part of the last century.
P S Why were we barred from joining in choruses ? Seems a bit of a contadiction with V o P


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 05:12 AM

To sort out a minor point from a 1999 (!) posting on Sir Walter Raleigh. He was executed, but not by hanging. As was invariably the case for someone of his social standing at the time - he was beheaded.

Georgina


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Mysha
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 09:53 PM

Hi,

You might want to try Reocities, the project to resurrect Geocities as it was when Yahoo! pulled the plug.
Eg. http://reocities.com/lilandr/kantoj/diversaj/LaVeraVerdaStel1.htm.

I wonder if De Noordzee is within the scope of this thread.

Bye,
                                                                  Mysha


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Haruo
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 07:58 PM

The demise of Geocities put an end to the bulk of my two main websites, La Lilandejo and TTT-Himnaro Cigneta, both of which were extensively linked to in various Mudcat threads, but I still have the contents and intend to reestablish both sites in a more secure location at some future date. At the moment I'm fully preoccupied with buying a house. Most of the HTML contents are at www.archive.org, as well as at least some of the graphics. MIDI files, however, seem not to have been archived there.

La Vera Verda Stel''s text is at http://web.archive.org/web/20050527012219/http://geocities.com/lilandr/kantoj/diversaj/LaVeraVerdaStel1.htm; if anyone needs the MIDI feel free to PM me.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Mr Happy
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 11:32 AM

Meant to say, its the chorus part that's most familiar


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Subject: RE: Golden Vanity Variants
From: Mr Happy
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 11:28 AM

This version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSCN8HuFCcE
is one I'm used to, but round these parts it's known by both names


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Subject: Lyr Add: La Vera Verda Mar'
From: Haruo
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 11:28 PM

I have put the Esperanto version La Vera Verda Stel' in La Lilandejo:

La Vera Verda Stel'

The Golden Vanity

anonima, tradicia, angla markanto
Esperantigis : ROS' Haruo

  1. Sur la verda mar' velis alta karavel',
    Kaj nomiĝis tiu ŝipo la Vera Verda Stel',
    Kaj minacis ĝin piratoj de l' Idisma fi-kartel'
    Dum ĝi velis sur la verda, verda, verda,
         ĝi velis sur la verda mar'.
  2. Ekparolis ŝipa knab' dekjaraĝa (pli-malpli),
    Kaj li diris, "Ho ŝipestro, kio estos la premi'
    Se l' piratan malamikon ruze kaŝ-alnaĝos mi
    Kaj sinkigos ĝin en verda, verda, verda,
         sinkigos en la verda mar'?"
  3. "Per oro kaj arĝento mi rekompencos vin,
    Kaj la belan filineton vi havos por edzin'
    Se vi naĝos al la ŝip' kaj vi submarigos ĝin
    Dum ĝi velas sur la verda, verda, verda,
         ĝi velas sur la verda mar'.
  4. Sin pretigis do la knab' kaj impetis tra la mar',
    Kaj li naĝis ĝis la ŝipo de l' pirata Idistar',
    Kaj li per aleno akra boris truojn tri aŭ kvar,
    Kaj sinkigis ĝin en verda, verda, verda,
         sinkigis en la verda mar'.
  5. Kaj renaĝis al la Vera Verda Stelo la knabet'.
    "Min eltiru, ho ŝipestro!" venis laŭte lia pet',
    Sed la estro lin ignoris, domaĝante pri la vet',
    Kaj lin lasis en la verda, verda, verda,
         lin lasis en la verda mar'.
  6. Aŭdinte liajn kriojn, maristoj kaj maat'
    Lin eltiris sur ferdekon pro dankemo kaj kompat',
    Sed li mortis, kaj por ĉerko al li servis la boat',
    Kaj por tombo ja la verda,. verda, verda,
         por tombo ja la verda mar.

I'm rather fond of it.

Haruo


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