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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 02 Mar 09 - 01:55 PM OK I can see that it may not be good for you. I won't press you anymore. The problem I have is I cannot stand cheats and crooks and thats what Boak is. He needs to have his assets taken away from him and stopped from trading again. I feel very sorry for the peopel who have lost their money, whilst he walks free. Thread Closed. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST Date: 02 Mar 09 - 01:36 PM I would like to join Villan but I feel that all and sundry would be on my case. I wasn't getting aggresive. Merely defensive as anyone would. To be accused of involvement in a scam knowing that you're innocent isn't a nice thing. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:40 PM If you weren't a guest but a member, then we could communicate by private message |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:37 PM No need to get aggressive Guest. That will get your posts deleted. If you are an organiser and don't like to see folkies get done, then let us know who you are. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:35 PM You clearly aren't listening. So if your boss owes a lot of money to whoever, are you gonna feel responsible? Are you gonna pay it back? Are you not gonna sleep at night? Are you gonna pack your job in because of it? No, of course not! Now stop talking shite man! |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:34 PM * Try and help these people get their money back. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:33 PM Try and help these people their money back. Or would you be putting yourself into problems by doing that. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:31 PM I tell you what, I couldn't go to sleep at night, knowing that soembody has fiddled many people out of their hard earned money. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:30 PM How? What can I do? |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:28 PM Just thought you might like to help all the people who are owed a lot of money |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:28 PM Incidentally, I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be ashamed of! |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:27 PM WHY do I have to tell you my name? What has that got to do with it. You already have the NAME of the person (Not NAMES) responsible. Those of you who know me will know that me and my colleagues were NOT involved in any wrong-doing! |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:25 PM So put your case Guest and if you dislike what has happened provide names and addresses and telephone numbers of the people who took the money.Are you too ashamed to tell us your name? |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST Date: 02 Mar 09 - 12:19 PM Seems like a pretty biased forum to me when some of us don't get the chance to put our case without it being deleted. So much for democracy. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MONEY OWED!!! Are you all too stupid to understand that? Quite clearly you are. I'm a folkie like the rest of you who was asked to do a job in organising an event. Did I do such a shit job that you're now holding ME responsible! |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 02 Mar 09 - 11:55 AM Damn, my previous post was in response to Guest's post which has been removed. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 02 Mar 09 - 11:54 AM >>I organised that event and I've forgotten more than you could ever hope to know<< Including the money that is owed to all the folkies and performers and stall holders etc. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Mr Happy Date: 02 Mar 09 - 11:51 AM .............allthe way to the bank??? |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST,Jacobsgoldmine Date: 27 Feb 09 - 12:07 PM We too are still awaiting refund of £150 and have been offered tickets for the new festival in September, but the fact it now says it's indie and acoustic rather than folk is a slight concern. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST,Mr Red Date: 25 Feb 09 - 10:42 AM Give them a chance. I think that those that don't want to give them a chance are not going anyway. I would be cautious based on what I heard last year. Maybe try a day or cruise the town and recce. But as the festival is more than 2 hours drive for me I would not be a potential punter anyway. Isn't there a steam train service in those parts? Folk Rattle and Roll needs a new home. Let them get on with it. Whoever "they" are. But frankly a firm date is a pretty good start. Or should be. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Qwertyco Date: 25 Feb 09 - 08:11 AM I have been in contact with the new owner of the Pickering Showground, Mr.H. He phoned me personally, and has supplied me with the following, which seems to clarify a lot of the rumour and gossip surrounding this whole sorry affair. Mr.H. Bought the showground, and it's associated websites last year. He employs two of the former events office staff, to man his new company. Simon Boak has no connection with the new company. He has no responsibility for Mr.Boak's debts, past, present or future! He is offering complimentary tickets (for 2008 ticketholders) for the 2009 festival purely as an act of goodwill. Looks like the trail ends firmly at Mr. Boak's door! |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Betsy Date: 24 Feb 09 - 10:07 AM Maybe they should just stick to Vintage Tractors and Steam Engines - they appear know THAT market - their attempts at selling Folk music appears to come without any knowledge of the subject - simply marketing it like a lump of lard. I woulddn't touch it ,as a performer or a punter. Performers - go for a Bird in the hand . |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST,Qwertyco Date: 24 Feb 09 - 09:46 AM Oh dear Mr. Boak. you are a naughty man! Popular Celebrity TV Chef: Folk Festival Website LINK Using his image without permission, when you owe his agent thousands of pounds in unpaid fees for the food festival you organised. Just how low can your reputation grow! yet, such a "nice man", apparently. Nice. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST,Jaz Chapman Date: 20 Feb 09 - 01:19 PM Have only just found your thread, friends & I booked and were let down like rest of you. I paid myself so because under £100, never bothered to claim off credit card, but relied on refund as promised, still on Pickering website until very recently. With letter of no refund in dec finally contacted credit co. on advice of consumer direct, consumer part of trading standards. Got same reply, as others, had to be within 100 days of notification of cancellation. My friends paid by debit card and their very helpful bank have sent their claim to visa disputes, even though outside 100 days, and are quite hopeful they will get a refund. We both logged our situation with consumer direct and hope that many other people either have or will do the same, as then trading standards will investigate. As for Big Andy's comment about ccj, this is impossible as the company has ceased to trade, not simply owes money or gone into liquidation, therefore there is no recourse that way. Good luck to us all, I hope our faith in mankind is restored by the realisation of promised tickets and festival. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: theleveller Date: 18 Feb 09 - 11:28 AM "If it doesn't affect you personally, why don't you butt out?" I presume that includes you, Guest? Perhaps you should take your own advice. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: The Sandman Date: 18 Feb 09 - 11:10 AM injustices of anykind,however big or small,are best rectified , with public support. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: The Sandman Date: 18 Feb 09 - 11:08 AM I am comparing turnig a blind eye and not supporting others. its your argument that is crap,if peopole didnt get involved unless they themselves were affected,there would be litlle money raised for those starving in Africa. anonymous guest you are a troll,clear off back to hiding under your bridge. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: theleveller Date: 18 Feb 09 - 10:49 AM I do believe that it was recriminations on Mudcat, and people getting together to put pressure on the Events Office, that was responsible for some of us getting refunds. I feel very sorry that we weren't able to secure money for everyone but I'm sure that some of the people responsible (including Mr Boake himself) do read what is written here. If the organisers of the new festival realise what a poor opinion people, whether they are owed money or not, have of them, as well as the Events Office, maybe they, too, will put pressure on Mr Boake to get his finger out and pay up. I think it's called public lobbying - or maybe secondary picketing (or Pickering), both of which I'm in favour of. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: The Sandman Date: 18 Feb 09 - 10:15 AM If it doesn't affect you personally, why don't you butt out? because some of us still believe in trying to help others, and trying to help others get their money back .,some of us still have moral standards . butting out ,is what all those people did, who turned a blind eye, while jews were being persecuted during the second world war [they said I am not jewish it doesnt affect me,its not my business,keep your head down etc etc ] |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Big Andy Date: 18 Feb 09 - 05:55 AM just having joined this thread why don't people who are owed money from last year start a ccj proceedings against the party,s involved. I've just had a payment after i started proceedings against a company i did work for in early january, and it defanetly gets results |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 17 Feb 09 - 03:19 PM Quite right Dick And Guest Andrew Dunce can say what he likes but he is involved and probably knows what is going on. So Andrew, tell all on here and maybe we might have some sympathy for you. Until then you are just like the rest, a bunch of crooks. I have no sympathy for you. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: The Sandman Date: 17 Feb 09 - 02:45 PM guest old nickilby, because people have been swindled by a pension company,it does not become acceptable that pickering folk festival does not return all the money that it owes . whatever the reason for the failure of the festival all the money needs to be returned . |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Mrs Banjiman Date: 14 Feb 09 - 05:26 AM When we noticed the date change to August 14 - 16, the other day, I emailed Events and Entertainments Ltd on th "info@" email for clarification. Having been promised a slot at the rescheduled event originally when first cancellation took place, I was keen to find out what they planned to do about this, now that it clashed YET AGAIN with Saltburn putting me in a position of being double booked! I pointed out that the date change had put them right back to where they were last year when ill will was created from the outset due to clashing with such an established event in the same geographical area. Despite having a contract signed by Simon Boake with a clear cancellation clause in it, I've received nothing and no clarity about rebooking. I realise this is not the same as people awaiting ticket refunds (which is just appalling!), but it still proves a lack of professionalism. Needless to say, I've not had any response back! If I hear anything, I'll let you know! |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Folkiedave Date: 14 Feb 09 - 04:46 AM do you know everyone who organises festivals personally? I guess that if we only go to festivals etc. run by people we Know and trust-how on earth would anything new start? Hi Chris, I go to loads of festivals and I know all the organisers - mostly personally - but if not then by reputation. (they already organise a succesful folk club etc. In another capacity I usually spend some time at the AFO Conference (Association of Festival Organisers). Are the Events Office or its succesors members of that organisation? Not compulsory of course - but virtually all the major festivals are there. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Betsy Date: 13 Feb 09 - 04:01 PM Chris , Nutty knows everyone - she's a great lass. Apart from all the sensible posts the Levellers post stands out for me. He / she was the staunchest supporter last year and I feel his /her words of warning (above) should be followed in conjunction with Villan's advice. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Rasener Date: 13 Feb 09 - 03:48 PM Its simple - don't support them, until everybody has got their money back from last year. Just don't entertain it. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: oggie Date: 13 Feb 09 - 03:23 PM "As for snide comments about "toy train shows" perhaps some of you should go to the Model Engineering and Steam Shows that they run. Oh that we could have festivals as good" This is where the confusion starts. As I understand it these very successful shows were run up until now by Events Office not by the new company. If this is the case then no comparisons can be made as we don't know what they'll be like at running them for the first time this year. If they have retained the staff from Events Office then that's a whole different ballgame and a certain amount of clarification is in order. Steve |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Dennis the Elder Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:54 AM I think the new company should be given a chance, but first we all need a bit of reassurance. There is no doubt that the new organisers are monitoring this thread. If as I believe this to be true, will you please let us know who you are? where you are based? what you have organised in the past and any other information you believe will help to convince me and all others interested to trust you? One additional answer I would like is Why did you take over from the Events Office and have any of the staffor management of that organisation got any interest or are they employed by the new organisers? |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: nutty Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:31 AM Yes Chris .... I do know the organisers of the festivals I go to. I don't know a festival that is not prepared to name its organisers personally. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST,chris Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:27 AM hi nutty do you know everyone who organises festivals personally? I guess that if we only go to festivals etc. run by people we Know and trust-how on earth would anything new start? chris |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: theleveller Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:42 AM Guest, I, for one, have given the Events Office every chance; I championed them through thick and thin in their attempts to set up the first festival, I have spoken personally to Simon Boak but I now feel that he has let a lot of people down very badly. The new organisers have, so far, not demonstrated the least skill in organisation, PR,or promotion. I would love there to be a successful annual folk festival at Pickering but, under the present circumstances, there is no way that I will be parting with my money this year. Sorry if you think that's being unfair, but this isn't a 'not for profit' festival, this is a business venture and the organisers should be demonstrating rather more busines acumen. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: nutty Date: 13 Feb 09 - 09:48 AM JUST ONE QUESTION GUEST As Events and Exhibitions Ltd are supposed to be a brand NEW company with no connection to the previous festival and who (to our knowledge) have no experience of running a Folk Festival - WHY should we trust them anymore than the previous company? They are still an unknown entity - If they were to come clean and give us names of their organisers - that we can recognise and trust - then you comments may have some justification. Until then I would advise people to be cautious. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST,OldNicKilby Date: 13 Feb 09 - 09:25 AM Is n't it time a line was drawn under this,just because someone tried to run a festival and because of appaling weather had the courage to cancel the event so that no one was harmed by the flooding on the site they are being haranged by what is probably a very few people who have not been repaid. Have none of you been swindled by a pension company? I know that I have and there is damn all I can do about it. The new company is trying to run a festival that will I hope will be a success. We as a company have done many well organised shows with these people and I can stand up and say that I have always repeat ALWAYS (yes I am shouting) found them to be super people to deal with. As for snide comments about "toy train shows" perhaps some of you should go to the Model Engineering and Steam Shows that they run. Oh that we could have festivals as good GIVE THEM A CHANCE you might be surpised, get on the same end of the rope and pull together to make it a success |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Folkiedave Date: 12 Feb 09 - 06:10 PM Someone ought to have a word with her.....Ask for cash in advance my dear........a month in advance..... |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: theleveller Date: 12 Feb 09 - 04:16 PM So, the original poster, having assured us that: "I can only say that this is naturally all in hand and is currently being dealt with by our team of experienced events managers and co-ordinators. We do have experts in every field." ...has now disappeared leaving behind total confusion. Whatever fields their experts are currently stomping about in, it doesn't seem to be the one where the festival is going to be held. An event that has started as a total PR disaster looks like being as big a washout as last year's. The words "brewery", "pissup", "organise" and "couldn't" spring to mind. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Adrianl Date: 12 Feb 09 - 03:12 PM A quick google shows one act who has a booking TBC for the 16th Auguast Sarah Gillespie |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Banjiman Date: 12 Feb 09 - 10:57 AM I see the Bad Shepherds have it on their website for August 28th..... confusion reigns! |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Banjiman Date: 12 Feb 09 - 10:54 AM If that date is correct, it's clashing with Saltburn FF.....again! (where we'll be) |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Mr Red Date: 12 Feb 09 - 10:44 AM Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen on the evidence above. News travels fast - bad news travels faster. |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: Folkiedave Date: 11 Feb 09 - 07:04 PM And renamed "Gateway to the Moors" Festival. Now why would they want to change their name from Pickering Folk Festival to that? Makes you wonder doesn't it!! |
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Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009 From: GUEST,Derek Schofield Date: 11 Feb 09 - 06:14 PM I notice on the Evants and Exhibitions Ltd website that the date of the festival is now 14-16 August 2009. Does anyone know anything more about this, the third date in as many months! Thanks Derek Schofield |
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