Pickering Folk Festival 2009

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,rick chappell
Date: 10 Feb 09 - 04:21 PM

the 100 day rule is that you cant claim when the original purchase was over 100 days old. (we didnt start worrying until autumn 08 so our credit caed co. argue we left it too late, in the sense of being over 100 days)

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 10 Feb 09 - 10:34 AM

"Can anyone advise me as to who I am actually claiming against?"

As the Events Office was not, I believe, a limited company, I would suggest you claim against Mr Boakes himself. My refund was by a Building Society cheque which, I suppose, was Simon Boakes' personal account.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 09 - 10:27 AM

I see that one member of staff has been named in this thread. I know this bloke and can assure you that he too was a victim in all of this. Please remember that the staff are not responsible for this anymore than Woolies staff were for the fact that their closing down sale wasn't cheap enough yet they till took the shit.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,Qwertyco
Date: 10 Feb 09 - 09:38 AM

I've had enough, and intend to take legal action via: Moneyclaim.gov

Can anyone advise me as to who I am actually claiming against?
Is it the seemingly defunct Events Office, or the lovely Mr.Boake?

Can anyone who has actually been refunded supply me with the details of where exactly the refund came from?

Thanks,
Don't let this die away.
I worked hard for the £300 they took from me.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: Nick
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 02:21 PM

There is a good discussion about pprotection and credit cards and section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act on the Money Saving Expert site (which EVERYONE in the UK should read regularly as a matter of course) - here

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: Folkiedave
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 02:09 PM

100 day rule?

£100.00 rule possibly? What have they said?

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,rick chappell
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 01:10 PM

just found out from credit company cant claim for refund from them due to 100 day rule!!!!! anybody any ideas and how did you get your money back

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,Connie
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 08:22 AM

Sorry - hit the wrong button again!

One September festival with over 40 years of track record has announced the 2009 line-up. Have a look at the Bromyard FF website - Seth Lakeman, Battlefield Band, Crucible, Damon Barber Roadshow, Jez Lowe and lots, lots more already confirmed.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 08:21 AM

Well, I don't think I'll be going anyway, this year. Already committed to Ryedale, Osmotherley and Roots North - three brilliant festivals across the summer that deserve to be better-attended. We're also trying to get to the new Queensbury Festival in March.

I reckon a lot of people will be waiting to see if it actually happens.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,Connie
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 08:20 AM

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 07:55 AM

Its a bonus if it happens

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 07:53 AM

"is there really room and will it offer anything that festival goers haven't caught at least once (if not several times) over the season."

It very much depends on the line-up. The previous one had a fantastic line-up with a much broader span than most in the area - plus it was all on one site, which, for many of us, is a bonus.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: le cheffie
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 06:18 AM

Is there a chance of over saturating this part of north yorkshire with festivals. I believe that there are already 3 in the Whitby area plus Saltburn

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: oggie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 10:57 AM

Great venue but maybe the question is "do we need another generic folk festival?"

I don't think there's a week from Easter until the end of the summer holidays where there isn't at least one festival, in many cases several. It's a week after Whitby, is there really room and will it offer anything that festival goers haven't caught at least once (if not several times) over the season.

Steve

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: Folkiedave
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 07:03 AM

I agree with Graham.

I was asked if I would like a stall at the previous festival. Fortunately I was away so I never took up their offer, but whilst the event seemed to be well-organised it seemed to be well out of the cycle for festivals (it was later than others).

The line-up seemed to be announced late too.

So I would like to see a festival or two under the organisers belt before I committed myself.

The site (I went to something else there) is superb IMHO.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: Dennis the Elder
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 05:14 AM

The organisers made a bigger mistake with the ill fated first folk event at Pickering, it was to be the same time as the Saltburn event, which was the theme of the original thread about Pickering.
At least these other events are further away, although Hull is not too far!
The major worry for most is that as many people including ticket buyers, artists, stall holders, exhibiters etc did not receive a refund, what confidence should similar persons have that all will run smooth with the new event with "new" organisers.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: le cheffie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 03:40 AM

Having just come into this thread, I wonder if the organisers have actually done any research before announcing the dates for this festival. Surely if there are already 3 established events on over this weekend its would be counter productive to try and hold one for the first time.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,Graham Bradshaw
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 07:36 AM

Well, with no particular axe to grind, why would anybody want to risk this event?

If it was me, I would want to see them get at least one festival under their belt before risking it. Problem is, if everyone takes that stance, it'll never happen.

But then, as above, there is also Hull up the road if you are of a nautical persuasion, and 2 BIG established festivals further South - Wallingford Bunkfest and Moseley Folk Festival in Birmingham. Both with great line-ups and a proven track record.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,local still owed money
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 10:10 AM

A think there is definitely a rabbit off somewhere in all this. Why, if the two festivals are entirely seperate entities is the same person (Rick Clarke) responsible for booking the acts for both events?

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,rachel
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 04:55 PM

hi havent been on this link before but bought 4 tickets for the pickering folk festival and received no refund. in december received app form for free passes for yorkshire folk festival.. can anyone tell me whether these passes will be honoured ??? is it in may please help

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: Pistachio
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 12:01 PM

Why not go to the 'Sea Fever' event at and around Hull Marina - same weekend - and you get to look at the boats too!

Hazel.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,Greycap
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 06:04 PM

My olfactory senses detact a rodent - no way am I on this one. Too many 'Catters are owed money from the last one.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: Dennis the Elder
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 03:11 PM

Hi Raggy, your assessment of the facts is in my opinion true. THe land had been wet for some days prior to the scheduled event. I do believe there may have been, in addition, some involvement regarding loos in particular by the Local Authority who I know are very keen on Health and Safety, Hygiene etc.

Dennis

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: gnomad
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 08:03 AM

To the guests asking whether anyone has received a refund, the answer is yes. If you go back up the thread to Jan27th a post by Mr Happy gives links to 3 other Mudcat threads on this subject, and you will find posts by people who have had refunds.

You will also find that you are not alone in your dissatisfaction at having had no refund. I don't know if that helps at all, but I hope so.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 05:47 AM

Green Tara, it may have been that toilets, stage etc had not been put up due to the showground being sodden and they were waiting to see if it dried out in time for the festival to proceed, the fact they were not there does not necessarily indicate premeditated theft or fraud.
P.S I do not know Simon Boak or have any affiliation to him.

Raggy

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 05:37 AM

Guest, I got my money back - a building society cheque from Simon Boakes. I don't know why I got lucky - perhaps because I was one of the first to reserve tickets. Seems I was one of the fortunate few.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 05:25 AM

thanks ...although i doubt i will ever see my money again.
the site on thursday morning had no marquee ,bogs,anything at all there ,these should have been in place days before .

i smell a scam ,and would like to know if any ticket holders ever got their money back

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,Just trying to help
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 07:43 PM

Try:

Events & Exhibitions Ltd
1200 Century Way
Thorpe Park Business Park
Leeds LS15 8ZA

Tel: [phone]

http://www.eventsandexhibitions.net/

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: GUEST,the green tara
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 08:55 AM

i am still waiting for my trade stand fees to be returned
when i arrived after a 5 hour drive on the thursday,there were no loos ,stage or anything else for that matter,which shows that when i paid the organisers were already going to cancel the event .

this is theft ,and since vat was included ,vat fraud
does anyone know how to get in touch with the organisers since the 01751 473780 number doesnt receive incoming calls ?

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: Betsy
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 05:46 PM

It's easy for a company to shed it's former skin and rise like pheonix but even if that is not the case ,the new regime should learn to walk before they run.
How come a well informed Traditional Site like this has never referred to " .....twice shy...."
If Simon G. is informing us that Fylde is on the same weekend as the New Pickering Management is proposing - it may not bring the outbursts which last years brought from some of us, because of the geographical nearness of a long established Fest. which Pickering organised on the same weekend.
Time will tell - but as Leveller has pointed out, it's a dodgy time financially for most of us, especially those of us who are not gamblers by nature.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 03:47 AM

I agree with Dennis that a Folk Festival at Pickering would be great - I've always supported that idea. I think, though, that it's a very brave move in the current economic climate to set a new festival up from scratch, especially after what's happened. Certainly money's tight for us at the moment and we'll be supporting Ryedale, Osmotherley and Roots North again this year. As for Pickering - like I said before, we'll wait and see.

Subject: RE: Pickering Folk Festival 2009
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 09:03 PM

I'm not going to allow any anonymous posts in this thread. I sometimes let them slip by in the music section, but not in this thread. If you have something to say, post under the name you usually use at Mudcat. Please try to keep the discussion civil.

-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: Dennis the Elder
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 07:35 PM

Allegedly the old company was not actually a limited company and allegedly Simon Boak is personally liable for the debts incurred by the events office. I may be wrong and this is only my opinion and should not be quoted as fact. Allegedly Simon Boak is barred from setting up a limited company, this again is hearsay and should not be relied on as being the truth, if however this is true then it may be that he may not be allowed to be a director of the new company (or indeed any company) and the new company may, in fact, be totally separate from the original one.
Sorry if this seems to be a little vague, my brain can never be relied on when it comes to clarity.

On a positive note I hope that the new company, if independent of the original one, is successful in its venture to have a Folk Festival in Pickering. The new company should not suffer for the activities of the previous one (if there is no connection)
Simon's idea for a folk festival in Pickering was a good one and if nothing else he should be given credit for the idea if not for the resultant debacle.

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: Simon G
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 07:27 PM

But notice the missing event on the calendar, with all their professional event organisers, you'd think they would have put it on their own calendar before telling mudcat.

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: Simon G
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 07:23 PM

Events And Exhibitions Ltd manage the showground and arena.

http://www.rydalearena.com/

Which fully qualifies them to not be aware that the large proportion of the potential audience will be in Fylde that weekend.

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: oggie
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 04:28 PM

"Events And Exhibitions Ltd incorporated 31 Oct 2008, address is in Grantham, see Companies House."

You must be better at working the Companies House website than me, my search turned up a blank.

Can't find a list of Directors yet.

Steve

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: gnomad
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 04:08 PM

Events And Exhibitions Ltd incorporated 31 Oct 2008, address is in Grantham, see Companies House.

I suspect more info, directors etc, are probably available if you pay but I don't have an account with them.

Oggie is quite right that the new company will have no obligations in respect of last year's non-event (unless they have arranged differently, and why would they?) but I suspect they may have a barrier of mistrust to overcome all the same. This barrier will be all the higher if it should be the case that the old organisation and the new have directors, other officers, or addresses in common.

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: oggie
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 02:31 PM

I think you'll find that the ticket refunds and offer on efestivals relates to the plans of The Events Office (and the May dates). If it is truly a new organiser then they have no obligation to honour/discharge the previous company's debts.

Steve

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: LesB
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 02:29 PM

Go to Fylde instead .
Cheers
Les

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: Rasener
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 01:30 PM

Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 01:25 PM

IT does say August 27th. It doesn't say which year.

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 12:18 PM

so people who should be refunded, are entitled to interest as well,because of the long wait.
of course I doubt if they will receive any interest .

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 11:53 AM

This is what it says on the website about tickets - so if true, those in need should get their monies back eventually

Tickets
Are not yet on sale, those who bought tickets for the 2008 are being offered the option to exchange them for VIP tickets for 2009. The refunds will commence on Wednesday 27th August in an alphabetical order.

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: oggie
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 11:51 AM

As yet there are no details of the new company on the Companies House website.

Steve

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: nutty
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 11:38 AM

See Mr Happy's link above

I really hope that they haven't been selling tickets

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 10:09 AM

http://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/pickeringfolk/2009/

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: theleveller
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 09:34 AM

They've certainly got a big hill to climb, bridges to build and fences to repair - metaphorically speaking. I'm going to wait and see.

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: GUEST,EAEL
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 07:09 AM

Thank you for your early responses. We are fully aware of the situation regarding last year's event. The two companies are unconnected. The transaction between The Events Office and ourselves was that of a complete takeover. Regarding your issues concerning contracts, artists, stallholders and stewards, I can only say that this is naturally all in hand and is currently being dealt with by our team of experienced events managers and co-ordinators. We do have experts in every field. We will be releasing publicity and information to the media and to the public as we have it.

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 06:49 AM

thread.cfm?threadid=117134

Judging by the links, you'll be lucky to get any punters - unless of course those out of pocket from last year have been reimbursed by now

Subject: RE: PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL 2009
From: nutty
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 06:44 AM

I probably should keep out of this thread (given what happened last time) but my first response to this is .......

Good idea to change the date and put out some publicity

BUT

Who Events And Exhibitions Ltd ? .... couldn't find any info on the net other than that they have a full committment to model trains .... and the name seems uncomfortably similar to the last organisation.

Who is booked? ..... by this time contracts should have been exchanged?
Are they likely to attract any of the big names they had on the bill last time?

Who is the contact for , Artists, Stewards, Stallholders?

Given last years fiasco - with people still being owed money - is there enough goodwill to get this event off the ground??