BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'

Subject: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Justa Picker
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 02:38 PM

The next all out American civil war will be the Republicans vs. The Democrats. All you have to do is watch Alexandra Pelosi's "Right America: Feeling Wronged". I cannot even get my head around the levels of sheer ignorance on display. If these people are representative of the current Republican Party god help all of you and thank god Obama WAS elected.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Kent Davis
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 02:47 PM

Somehow I wonder if Alexandra Pelosi is the best source of information about the level of sheer ignorance on display among Republicans. If you wanted to determine the level of sheer ignorance on display among Democrats, would you turn to a documentary by Micheal Reagan or Jackie Gingrich Cushman?

Kent

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: pdq
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 03:02 PM

So, Nancy Pelosi's daughter gets to tell us all about her mommy's enemies?

"Pelosi grew up in San Francisco, California, earned a B.A from Loyola Marymount University and graduated from University of Southern California's Annenberg School for Communication in 1993.

On June 18, 2005 she married Dutch journalist, lawyer, and United States correspondent Michiel Vos (born on December 19, 1970 in Amsterdam, The Netherlands). Pelosi gave birth to their first child, a boy named Paul Michael Vos, on November 14, 2006 in New York.[2] Pelosi had her second child, Thomas Vincent Vos, on December 7, 2007 in New York. Vos has a weekly spot on the Q Music show Ruuddewild.nl in which he discusses his experiences in America. They live in Manhattan, New York City."

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: kendall
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 03:34 PM

They say that Sara Palin is the future of the republican party. I hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 05:13 PM

I've been searching for reviews, and the ones I've found so far are negative. Here's an excerpt from The Washington Post:

It's drive-by journalism, to put it charitably....

All the conventions of the smirking, winking, belittling political documentary are abided by in this film. An inordinate number of the yahoos wear T-shirts and weird caps. There is the obligatory NASCAR tailgating scene with the requisite Confederate flags and some white guys saying they'll never vote for any black man. There are a couple of campaign events sporting all-American schoolgirl choruses who sound like they're right off the "Up With People" tour bus. There is a young guy whose T-shirt, meant to deride Obama, declares "Say No to Socilism," and when Alexandra Pelosi tells him he's misspelled socialism and asks him to define it, we know he's not going to be able to, that he's going to say something way wrong and stupid -- which he does, offering that socialism is "basically, it's like the views of Hitler. It's between like communism and -- I don't know what the other word is."

It sounds like a film I'd love!

How odd to blame Alexandra Pelosi for giving some Republicans a chance to show how stupid they are.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 05:46 PM

The word 'Republican' does seem to have its share of baggage.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 05:57 PM

Sometimes all you need to do is ask a question, then listen to the person commit suicide with the same weapon that Samson used to slay 1,000 Philistines.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 09:03 PM

In the Bible, Don, it neglects the adverb "flapping" when it talks about the jawbone of an ass.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Janie
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 09:55 PM

Jim, thanks for the link to the review. I don't have a television so I'll never see the series, but can speculate that the review is spot-on.

I'm an old-fashioned liberal Democrat. Obama is not. Having said that, the hope that he offers is his attention to "We." It behooves us to follow his lead and strive to think in the same terms, rather than "us and them." Unless a significant number of us, meaning the citizens of this country irrespective of political persuasion, are willing to embrace the idea of "WE", and respect and hold others with different perspectives in unconditional positive regard, the hope has no chance of being realized.

Laughing at people is not a very effective way to operate in the world. Neither is setting them up to appear laughable.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 10:24 PM

Neither is making excuses for their errant stupidity and overlooking their ignorance, or minimizing the very real damage that they do because of it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 10:32 PM

Here's a clip. It's not funny. It's frightening...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUl-eNDzUE

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Janie
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 10:43 PM

Yes, Greg, but who is the "they" implied in "their?"

I think it essential that we the people consciously cultivate our awareness of "We.". I often have difficulty remembering that, but make a conscious effort to be mindful. Making fun of ignorance does not educate. And most people who are conservative are not ignorant. They simply have a different perspective. I dare say that as many people who tend toward the Left are as ignorant as are people that tend toward the Right. (Again, whatever those two terms may mean.)   

None of us have a corner on the market called reality. Knee-jerk views are found across the spectrum.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 10:50 PM

She sounds kind of sympathetic toward the people she's documenting in her film in this interview...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L78defYvTHE

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 10:56 PM

Sorry, Janie, but being an ignorant yob is not having a different perspective. Its having NO valid perspective at all.

You're correct that ignorance knows no party. But that doesn't make the ignorant any less dangerous to democracy, the foundation of which is an informed, repeat informed, electorate.

There are certainly a goodly majority of the fundagelical, neo-con
BuShite creation (NOTE: not "conservatives" which are something else entirely) that appear - at least from their observed behavior and utterances- to have NO grasp of fact or reality whatsoever- and are proud of it.

While I'm all for inclusion & cultivation of the "WE", the ignoramus will remain, to me at least, the "other".

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: GUEST,Fred
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 05:11 AM

I totally agree with Janie. With all due respect Greg F. you are being prejudice by implying that ALL republicans are like the racists she showed in the south. I'd like to point out that 30 years ago all those "good old boys" were democrates! I'd also like to point out that a greater percentage of the republicans voted for civil rights. If you went to a Clinton rally, you would have seen her supporters with the pictures of President Obama dressed like Bin Laden. Isn't Jesse Jackson a democrate? I seem to remember he used the "N" word too. We need to get past the name calling and actually listen to each other.
I did not vote for President Obama because I don't agree with his policies. I think the stimulus bill that congress threw together was a disaster! The banking melt-down is due to Barney Frank and the Congressional Banking committee forcing banks to make loans to people that had no hope of being able to afford it. Now we're going to raise taxes on the top one percent so everyone else can feel like they're getting even. The problem is the top one percent is currently paying 40% of all the taxes. The top 25% of wage-earners are currently paying almost 90% of all the taxes. Before this is all done the bottom 50 percent will have to pay more because the debt will be too great.
I conceed that the republicans totally blew it when they had power! Is anyone out there willing to at least consider the possibility that 10 extra dollars a week might not help prime the economic pump?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: kendall
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 07:13 AM

Fred, I don't know where you got your stats, but as I understand it the top tax bracket is 35%, not 40%, and all O'Bama wants to do is to put the top tax bracket back to 40% as it was under Clinton. You may recall that Clinton presided over the longest period of prosperity in our history.

Furthermore, you can't make me believe that one congressman has that much power.
Regulation is the leash that holds back greed. Under Bush and his hand picked flunkie, Mr. Cox, the leash was dropped and greed was allowed to run free. I believe that what Allan Greenspan and Pat Buchanan said is more likely to be true; they both said that Bush is the culprit here.When a ship sinks does the cook get the blame?



Trickle down doesn't work.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: kendall
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 09:10 AM

There was a right wing journalist on MSNBC this morning raving about Obama taxing us into oblivion. Where was he when Bush was BORROWING us into oblivion? Better to pass the bill on to our kids than to pay it ourselves, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 09:22 AM

Not so Fred- I'm stating, not implying, that ignorant uninformed assholes with no grasp of fact or reality, whether racists, BuShites, or fundagelicals, are destroying the country.

Now, if that shoe fits many, or a majority, of Republicans its no fault of mine.

However, since from your statements you seem to be living in some alternative reality, you may indeed be proof -assuming your not a BuShite Republican- that ignorance & mangling of facts are not the exclusine province of any particular party.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Alice
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 06:02 PM

My head is reeling after watching Rush Limbaugh speaking (live CNN, address to the Republicans) and saying he was just joking about Joe Biden thinking, how did Bobby Jindal get off from 7-11 to make that speech.

Ok,,, they are trying to reach out to all of types of people... how? with Limbaugh?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Jayto
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 06:18 PM

I have waited 8 long (believe me very long) yrs to see this thread. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think I have earned that.
cya
JT

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 11:28 PM

There's been a lot af talk about moral relativism. Are we now expected to embrace intellectual relativism?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 02:56 AM

I think Janie always talks a lot of sense.....her posts above are a good example. Sorry to read that she's a "liberal" tho'....hope she's just a liberal!
Regarding stupidity...the taxpayers of the Western world have just been comprehensively robbed and raped by capitalism, yet we sit back and congratulate ourselves on how clever we are in comparison to those stupid and ignorant "Pubs"

Give me fuckin' strength......Ake

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Neil D
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 04:35 AM

An earlier poster to this thread pointed out that "30 years ago all those "good old boys" were democrates!". That sounds about right.
It was right about then that the Republicans learned how to appeal to the lowest common denominator, just in time to help spark the Reagan "revolution".

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: kendall
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 07:49 AM

Ronald Raygun; actor, snake charmer, liar, incompetent. Excellent candidate for president.He could convince the masses that Jeffery Dohmer had an eating disorder.He proved that he was a better actor than president.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 11:11 AM

Last night on CSpan I tried to listen to Limbaugh. I had to give it up as a bad job. Amazing that he should end up as a spokesperson for the Republican Party but it appears a safe bet.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 11:18 AM

Editorial:        
So Long, Reaganomics
First published: Sunday, March 1, 2009
Albany, NY, Times-Union www.timesunion.com

If President Barack Obama's budget survives the coming months of debate in Congress, America will effectively end a 30-year experiment started by Republican Ronald Reagan. And good riddance.

Reganomics, the notion that wealth would trickle down to the rest of society, left the rich far richer, the poor not much better off than where they started, and the middle class struggling to hold its ground. All no thanks to a government that Mr. Reagan so artfully condemned while using it to reverse a trend which, under more progressive post-World War II tax policies, allowed the poor and middle class to enjoy a greater measure of America's progress.

More and more people know they're slipping. In Gallup polls asking people whether they are better off than they were five years ago, 41 percent in 2008 said yes, the lowest rate since 1960, and 31 percent said no, the most negative the poll had ever seen.

If Mr. Obama succeeds, the nation would embark on a new experiment, one which seeks to use the government to redistribute some of the wealth that has shifted disproportionately to the rich, and end some of the grave inequities that have developed over the last three decades.

The vast majority of Americans would keep a little more of their paychecks, while the wealthiest would pay a little more to support many of the things that help them create their wealth: Roads, bridges, communications systems and scientific and technological research. To help pay for it, Mr. Obama would trim some of the corporate welfare now enjoyed by entities like banks and big agribusiness.

Together with the stimulus bill, his budget would help more American families afford the cost of a college education that has threatened to grow out of their reach. This is not just a benefit for the poor and middle class. An educated work force is vital to creating wealth.

So is a healthy one. The percentage of uninsured Americans has been rising in recent years, especially among people of working age, endangering one of the nation's most vital assets: its labor force. Many businesses, in an effort to shed costs and boost profits, have left it to workers to fend for themselves, or for government to pick up the slack. Mr. Obama justifiably seeks to draw on some of the vast wealth the labor force has helped create to keep it healthy. That is not a class issue. It is an national economic one, not to mention a moral one.

To cast Mr. Obama's agenda as socialism in disguise distorts his progressive goals. And it fails to recognize, or admit, what can be achieved: A more equitable tax policy. A better educated, healthier work force. A stronger middle class, and more hope for the poor.

Yes, this is liberalism, and Mr. Obama should make no bones about it. With 30 years of conservative economic policy bringing us to what many fear is the verge of a new depression, it is high time for a change.

It's a new dawn in America.

The issue:   The President brings a liberal approach to his budget.

The Stakes: Conservative policy got us here, and won't get us out.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: kendall
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 11:23 AM

They have a nerve saying that Obama's plan is to scare us! What did they do to get us bogged down in Iraq?

Rash Limburger's eyes appear to be brown, well he's so full of shit they should be.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Alice
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 01:49 PM

Reagan's ideas were not based on good economics, good science (star wars ideas were bogus) and he had the ear of some pretty off the wall advisers, like Nancy's astrologer. Unfortunately, our country is so bad at teaching critical thinking, the population is full of easily duped voters.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Right America: Feeling Wronged'
From: Alice
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 02:02 PM

A good article here:
snip
"This is the tale of how a man with Alzheimer's Disease came up with a physically impossible fantasy based on a B-movie he once starred in – and how the US spent $160bn trying to make it come true. These billions succeeded only in making some defence companies very rich, and making Russia point its nukes at Poland and the UK once more."
snip
"Most of the scientists and defence experts invited to the White House expressed incredulity. An umbrella defence of the United States was a virtual impossibility... [But] when the experts insisted that science was not magic and that American technology could not do everything, they would be accused of lack of patriotism."
Obama's chance to end Reagan's junk science

Think of all the tax dollars we'd save if we stopped the junk science projects the Republicans started.