BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!

Subject: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 08:03 AM

Guess the guy who threw the shoe at Bush really put his foot in it... was it worth three years in prison?????

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From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 08:09 AM

Well from the point of view of a guy who isn't 'going down' I think it was. The conviction and incarceration is still making a major political point.
The guy who copied with the Chinese figuer was 'forgiven' and forgotten. This one is still VERY live. Wrong move IMHO.

Al

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 08:11 AM

Googled figuer but not very enlightening. Lets go for figure

Al

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: SINSULL
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 08:20 AM

He has become a kind of folk hero. For political reasons, he had to be found guilty and put in jail. But he has been allowed an appeal. He will be out. Anyone know where I can send some money for his defense fund?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Stu
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 08:27 AM

The fact he's got three years in prison goes to prove his point. If he'd have thrown his shoe at me sod all would have happened even if he struck me on the schnozzer.

Good for him - he was simply articulating how so many of us around the world feel about Monkey Boy. Shame it wasn't half a brick.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 09:01 AM

Half a brick might hurt more but it isn't as offensive. lol

It wouldn't have been worth 3 years in prison to me!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 09:05 AM

Anyone know where I can send some money for his defense fund?

Perhaps we should find something to auction for him. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 09:54 AM

It's ironic ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 12:02 PM

Could have been an interesting bloke if he didn't flip flop between bragging and groveling.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: SINSULL
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 01:00 PM

Having the shit beaten out of one tends to do that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 01:45 PM

He used one of the ultimate insults to a foreign leader that you can do in Iraq. I suppose THEY felt they had to set an example.

I wonder what would have happened if he had done it at a press conference here the USA...in the White House? Jailed? or just deported?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 02:11 PM

What is the punishment under US criminal law for attempted assault with a weapon? or whatever it is called?

I would have given him three days of practicing his aim. (Just a joke... it's not nice to hurl anything at another person, no matter how much...)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 02:33 PM

Did he intend to hit? Hurling a shoe is an insult but does the insult include actually trying to hit the target? If traditionally one does not mean to make contact, then it really isn't assault is it? It is just an insult. And even if it was assault it was hardly likely to do any damage. I think it is really lame to make an example of this poor man.

Was it just a rumour or did a student who heckled Dubya Jr. early in his first term get arrested? Supposedly happened at a uni in Texas. What happened with that?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 05:26 PM

The law is not so gray, VT.... the assault "attempt" was physical and did include the use of a weapon.

"Likely" has nothing to do with it. What "did not happen" has nothing to do with it. The law is clear. My question is, what is the law in the US in this respect regarding punishment?

Now... what really pisses me off is that Garge himself hasn't said, "Hey, let the guy off, eh?" Seriously, Garge must have some small balls not to speak up on this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 05:32 PM

"I wonder what would have happened if he had done it at a press conference here the USA...in the White House? Jailed? or just deported?"

Does 10 years in Gitmo answer your question?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 05:33 PM

Was it like this?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 08:40 PM

The affair has kind of left me in admiration of the former President's reflexes and relative calm through the whole thing.

As for the Iraqi journalist, I can't help wondering, along with everybody else, where his heroism was during the Saddam regime. In other words, his actions reveal that whatever else Iraq has been through, it is currently attempting to simulate a country of laws and people are willing to test that in a climate with way less fear of government (theirs OR ours) than formerly.

So can one be brazen AND cowardly? this is what I'm asking.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 08:48 PM

"He used one of the ultimate insults to a foreign leader that you can do in Iraq. I suppose THEY felt they had to set an example."

True enough. They should have given him a medal.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:58 AM

As they say in Iraq "If the shoe fits, heave it!"

The journalist probably won't serve the full three years, and he can use the time to compose his memoirs. I wonder if he needs an agent, or a ghost writer.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 08:25 AM

I'm sure his memoirs will talk of his great 'feat'

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 11:37 AM

This is the court we bought and paid for.

Another Iraqi cort decision this week was a 20 year sentence for a man who publicly called for equal rights for women.

Iraqi courts are about the same as they were under Saddam.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 01:28 PM

I think I posted before but had the guy tried this in Saddams day he would have been executed on the spot in front of the TV crews. His family, friends and closest work colleagues would have joined him before the dawn of next day. The fact that he is still alive is a mark of improvement and progress - so much for freedom - use it.

"Now... what really pisses me off is that Garge himself hasn't said, "Hey, let the guy off, eh?" Seriously, Garge must have some small balls not to speak up on this one."

Well actually GWB has no say in it. The man was not charged with assault he was charged with bringing disrepute on, and showing disrespect for the Government of Iraq - Max term could have been 15 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Stu
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 01:44 PM

"The fact that he is still alive is a mark of improvement and progress - so much for freedom - use it."

If you listen after they bundled him out of the room into side room you can hear some heavies beating the crap out of the guy - his screams are clearly audible. Bush just stands there with that stupid fucking smirk on this face - he could have stepped in and stopped the beating but he didn't. Mind you, the sound of someone being tortured is music to his ears, as we all know.

What a twat.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 02:33 PM

You were in the room and saw all this did you Sugarfoot?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: bald headed step child
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 02:43 PM

George could have easily asked for leniency for the guy, stating that he was just exercising free speech, one of the principles of democracy we are supposedly there to help instill.

I think we should all gather up our old shoes and send them to George in Texas.

BHSC

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 05:00 PM

BHSC - I think that that has already been done in the space that used to be occupied by Mrs Sheehan

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: GUEST,Slag
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 05:29 PM

It's so nice to discover their is NO BIAS in the Iraqi press, just as there is NO BIAS in the US mainstream media, So much for journalism and the quest for truth.

Just showing someone the bottom of your shoe in Iraq is enough of an insult to provoke fisticuffs or worse. To throw your shoe at someone is the ultimate display of contempt.

For anyone, let alone a member of the press to insult any foreign dignitary would be considered a crime in most countries. The people of Iraq were embarrassed by this man's behavior. And as for the president, whether you like him or not he represents YOU. By extension you too were insulted.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 06:56 PM

To throw your shoe at someone is the ultimate display of contempt. Precisely. And that is evidently how most Iraqis feel about Bush. Along with pretty well everyone else.

An ABC News/BBC/NHK poll released Thursday found that 62 percent of Iraqis surveyed considered al-Zeidi a hero and only 24 percent considered him a criminal.

Support was highest among Sunni Arabs — 84 percent — and lowest among the Kurds at 38 percent, according to ABC.

ABC said the findings were based on 2,228 face-to-face interviews with a random national sample of Iraqis conducted Feb. 17-25. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points. The full survey will be released Monday ahead of the sixth anniversary of the war, ABC said. (Friday, March 13, 2009 Associated Press).

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:38 PM

. . . . and the poll forces them to choose between "hero" or "criminal," nothing whatesoever in between (like just a guy)?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 09:18 PM

How so heric? Add 62 to 24 and you get 86 - so it sounds as if 14 per cent did opt for something in between, or said "don't know", which comes to the same thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 10:23 PM

Yes maybe. We can see it on Monday. But asking "is shoe-thrower guy a hero or a criminal?" in a one or the other fashion would lead to vastly different results than multiple options as a matter of degree. I hope a guy who apologized for throwing a shoe isn't the best heroic inspirational character they will ever have - He's no William Wallace. But maybe his legend will grow as well. . . .

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From: GUEST,Slag
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 12:17 AM

Uh, would ABC be part of that "mainstream media" I refered to up there?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 09:09 AM

Actually, if you watch the renus of the incident, Bush seems to be enjoying the shoe-dodging... He has this look on his face which says, "Hey, this is fun"...

I think, for that alone, the guy should be released, sent to Texas where he and Bush could play dodge-shoe any time that Bush gets bored, which of course, is several times a day...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: gnu
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 11:17 AM

Well, I am not advocating absolutely NO punishment, but if Garge really believed in his "Chritian ways" he might suggest they punish with "time served" and maybe a fine.... whatever.

Three years?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 05:54 PM

He's no William Wallace. Nor was William Wallace, in the sense that he wasn't Mel Gibson playing Braveheart.

In real life there's no shame in playing the game by making a formal apology in court for something you should in fact be proud of having done - especially when you've been brutalised while in custody, and know that the judge has it in his power to send you to jail for 15 years, with a likelihood you wouldn't ever come out alive.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Mar 09 - 02:52 PM

Far as I can see he did two things wrong.

1. He chose ammunition which was much too light.
2. He missed.

I don't as a rule advocate violence, but I truly do believe it's warranted in GeeDubya's case.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Mar 09 - 02:59 PM

" And as for the president, whether you like him or not he represents YOU. By extension you too were insulted." Slag

What dubya did to this country's reputation was also insulting to us, Slag. I am happy to be included as a target of the reporter's insult - if it means that the worldwide community understands that we are now, at long last, free from that sleazily arrogant mindset.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: bankley
Date: 16 Mar 09 - 02:12 PM

shoes are being collected for demonstrations tomorrow in Calgary to protest his first speaking engagement since leaving DC..(skates are optional) There are calls for his arrest which won't happen...but a lot of people have been organizing and working hard to make GWB feel unwelcome in Canada

$4000 a plate dinner x 1500 places is a lot of pretzels,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: bald headed step child
Date: 16 Mar 09 - 02:55 PM

I guess they didn't get his entry blocked then, huh.

I personally don't think we should let him back in, since by the definitions in his patriot act he is clearly a terrorist.

It would be great if the Hague put out an arrest warrant while he was out of the country. We can dream anyway.

BHSC

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Stu
Date: 16 Mar 09 - 03:38 PM

"You were in the room and saw all this did you Sugarfoot?"

No - you know I wasn't Tezza. However, the excellent Channel 4 News did keep filming and then pointed out the screams that Monkey Boy was trying to ignore as his goons gave the guy a hiding.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 02:21 PM

There is an old saying (made up recently) "One heel deserves another".

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: number 6
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 02:45 PM

Anyone know what kind of shoe it was .... Doc Martin, Ecco, a Clark ??

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 03:47 PM

Maybe a 'Hush Puppy' or a 'Bush Baby'

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 06:52 PM

Shoo fly is a phrase that crops up in a few songs and rhymes - here is a thread about this   

Maybe there's room for an updating rewrite in honour of the admirable shoe thrower Muntazer al-Zaidi. (How come no one has even mentioned his name in this thread so far?)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: nager
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 11:59 PM

The reason he got three years is because he missed.

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From: Georgiansilver
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 03:29 AM

Missed by a foot or two!

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From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 12:50 PM

Sentence just reduced to one year. If he writes a book, I will buy it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush--Shoe thrower put his foot in it!!!
From: heric
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 01:26 PM

The Day I Threw My Sole Away

Shoe Me the Money

Out of My League

Bushwhacking

Footprints in the Bush

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From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 02:58 PM

Could have been heel to heel