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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Apr 09 - 09:48 PM Personally, I think you need to get rid of the Democrats and the Republicans to find somebody to clean up the mess. They're all part of it. But I think Dennis Kucinich had the right idea on the war(s), and Ron Paul was right on the economy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Bobert Date: 13 Apr 09 - 07:42 AM So, GfS, ya' think that Sarah Palin is better prepared to ;ead the country thru the mine field that Bush has left in his wake??? Jus' askin'??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Apr 09 - 02:10 AM Oh, ok..just asking. As I'm sure you know, I'm not particularly a fan of his. As far as McCain goes, his bailout support, to the guys who were doing something similar to his crap(Lincoln Savings and Loan scandal) sure makes it a whole lot of difference, between what we were voting for, in this last election!?!?..you know, between Biden, Obama, McCain and Palin...possibly, the closest to the 'cleanest' was Palin. Now that's interesting.........sorta... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 12 Apr 09 - 03:30 PM But we could have kept Henry Paulson! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Bobert Date: 12 Apr 09 - 01:02 PM The better candidate won... The complexities of the country's many problems would have overwhelmed McCain completely... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 12 Apr 09 - 12:24 PM "Hey Rig, Do you dislike him, because you are conservative?..or what?" Well, I'm not sure I dislike him--in fact, I don't really dislike him, but some of his policies seem problematic. I'm registered "Green," which goes a long way to explain why I dislike what I anticipate he is about to do about illegal immigration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Stringsinger Date: 12 Apr 09 - 12:01 PM Obama was the better candidate than McCain who was overtly pro-war. McCain and Palin would have been a disaster for the country because they are militarists and beholden to the Industrial Military Complex. Obama may be ambivalent in his Iraq and Afghanistan crusades which are not well thought-out. There is a certain naivete about Obama that is reflected in his opinion of lobbyists for Wall Street and the Pentagon. He is also naive about Blackwater and the so-called "private-pubic" alliances. Unlike McCain, Obama has addressed the issue of care for returning vets. Bush was totally in denial that there was a problem, here. He has publicly addressed other issues of social importance such as education and healthcare which Bush totally ignored. The problem is that there is a built-in assumption by those in government that war solves problems. It only creates them. Iraq is still a disaster in spite of what the propagandists on the public media say. The pursuit of "Al Quada" is tilting at windmills. There are not that many in Afghanistan proportionally. The Taleban can be contained through other means than bombing and annihilation. The real terrorists are the fanatical Right-wing zealots in this country who have threatened violence to solve political problems. The American gun lobby is totally irresponsible in its views about ownership and paranoia about weapons being confiscated. The incidence of gun violence remains higher in this country than any other in the world. We also incarcerate more people than any other country as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 12 Apr 09 - 10:43 AM Hey Rig, Do you dislike him, because you are conservative?..or what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 12 Apr 09 - 07:33 AM And, more recently, he is expected to cater to ex-cons, in an attempt to procure for them a vote--where they are denied now. This could end up being one of the downsides of having and inordinately large number of black prisoners in America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Apr 09 - 09:31 PM Looking at the name of this thread, I was wondering, with some mixed amazement......Then it occurred to me, of course he caters to neo-cons,...being a pretty good con himself! (Sorry, Amos, couldn't resist that one!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 11 Apr 09 - 09:59 AM Well, that's good. That's as it should be. The media reports that veterans of Iraq survive with more serious injuries--at least in the aggregate--than from previous conflicts. I wonder what effect that will have on future care for them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: artbrooks Date: 10 Apr 09 - 04:31 PM Prior permission is required to record an interview on VA property. A written release is required to photograph or record a patient, employee or volunteer on VA property. By all the reports - and I read 3 separate ones - it sounds as though the reporter either tried to conduct a recorded interview on the hospital's grounds or to tape a VA town meeting without authorization. Nobody, either the public affairs officer or the VA police officers, laid a hand on him. As a DAV service officer, I probably complete a dozen applications for VA benefits a week. It is impossible to tell what a veteran's skin color is from the application. It is highly unlikely that this individual has been denied anything because of this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: beardedbruce Date: 10 Apr 09 - 02:52 PM Patient Accuses VA Hospital of Mistreating Minority Vets April 09, 2009 - A former soldier from Prince Georges County is accusing the Veterans Affairs Hospital in Washington of mistreating him and other minority veterans. Tommie Canady is admitted to the hospital several times a year for treatment of a terminal pancreatic disease and he claims the care he receives is atrocious. On two occasions, he says the same nurse administered an overdose of morphine to him and is still working at the VA. He says he's alive because he's developed a high tolerance to pain medication. He also says he's been denied disability benefits because he is black. Canady tried to tell his story to me during a town meeting, but hospital officials interrupted the interview and confiated WAMU's equipment until the recording was surrendered to them. They claimed Canady and the reporter were required but failed to sign a VA release form. No one at the hospital would comment for this story and the Department of Veterans Affairs central office did not respond to requests for an interview. David Schultz reports... http://wamu.org/news/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: beardedbruce Date: 10 Apr 09 - 02:50 PM before someone says "He's not Bush." "VA Hospital Use Police To Block Vet From Talking To Media April 08, 2009 - Minority veterans showed up at the VA Hospital in D.C. last night to talk about how they're treated. But when WAMU 88.5 reporter David Schultz tried to speak with them, his recording equipment was confiscated and he was detained ...." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: beardedbruce Date: 10 Apr 09 - 02:19 PM "There seems to be a difference between what Obama has said in the past and what is now being implemented " Ya think????? Maybe we should look back at the election threads and see the reasons that Obama was presumed the better candidate.... Are any of them still valid? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Stringsinger Date: 10 Apr 09 - 02:16 PM There seems to be a difference between what Obama has said in the past and what is now being implemented such as the preservation of wire-tapping and raising more funds for wars. Iraq is about to erupt again and nothing is being done about it. Also, with Wall Street in control of economic policy, we are looking at the acceptance of corporate greed through the aegis of Geithner, Summers and others in the Administration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 10 Apr 09 - 11:06 AM Well ... the title of the thread is "Obama caters to neo-cons - more war. The waring continues and the debt keeps going up and up U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 10 Apr 09 - 10:43 AM Now Obama is approaching Congress for more war money! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 09 Apr 09 - 06:50 AM The whole thing is insane! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 08 Apr 09 - 11:11 PM more on Clive Stafford Smith and Ahmad Ghappour ... civil liberties villain of the week biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 08 Apr 09 - 09:45 PM Well, the way things are, I suppose it makes sense to get anyone out of the country possible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: artbrooks Date: 08 Apr 09 - 05:05 PM As a noncitizen, he is still deportable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 08 Apr 09 - 10:21 AM If that's the case, how could they deport him, and where would they deport him to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: artbrooks Date: 08 Apr 09 - 09:52 AM He is a permanent, legal, resident. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 08 Apr 09 - 08:34 AM If he was in the country illegally, he should be deported. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 07 Apr 09 - 10:19 PM It's more than disappointing, it's downright infuriating. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: CarolC Date: 07 Apr 09 - 09:55 PM These are dissappointing... "Guantanamo Attorneys Face Possible Prison Time for Letter to Obama Detailing Client's Allegations of Torture Clive-web Attorneys Clive Stafford Smith and Ahmad Ghappour could face six months in a US prison because of a letter they sent to President Obama explaining their client's allegations of torture by US agents. Smith and Ghappour represent Binyam Mohamed, the British resident recently released after seven years in US custody, where he claims he was repeatedly tortured, first in a secret CIA prison and later at Guantanamo." More here... http://www.democracynow.org/2009/4/7/guantanamo_attorneys_face_possible_prison_time President Obama is not allowed to see classified information? And then there's this... "Florida Student Arrested by Immigration Three Days After Acquittal on Bomb Charges Youssef-web Immigration officials have arrested a twenty-three-year-old Florida student just three days after a jury acquitted him on federal explosives charges. Youssef Megahed was arrested in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart store Monday, where he had gone shopping with his father. He had just begun a fast to celebrate his acquittal. Megahed's attorneys say he now faces deportation proceedings, apparently on the same charges for which he was found not guilty." More here... http://www.democracynow.org/2009/4/7/youseff |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 07 Apr 09 - 09:22 PM It was a play on birds! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 06 Apr 09 - 06:25 PM Now Obama is in Turkey trying to convince them we're not on the side of the Chickens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 05 Apr 09 - 01:20 PM Exactly rig. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 05 Apr 09 - 01:13 PM But getting back to the subject at hand, subliminal messages were probably implanted in the iPod for the purpose of putting pressure on the Queen to send more British troops to Afghanistan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 04 Apr 09 - 07:45 AM well ... the media is all rather like tabloid material these days ... the truth is hidden away or distorted. She previously had an iPod mini .... geeesh, with all her money you think she would have a Touch or at least a Nano. regardless, I think the Obama's where stiffed in the prezzie exchange. They give a kewl iPod and what did they get in exchange ... a photo of the Queen and Phil. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: CarolC Date: 03 Apr 09 - 11:15 PM Also, the iPod that the Obamas gave the Queen contained footage of the Queen's visit to the US. Looks like some folks in this thread have been getting their information from the tabloids. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: CarolC Date: 03 Apr 09 - 11:13 PM Michelle was first introduced to the Queen in private, so her curtsy would not have been filmed, and no one but the people in the room would have seen it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 03 Apr 09 - 10:55 PM Queen Elizabeth I might simply have ordered her head chopped off. One has to wonder if that would be a tragedy, or simply... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 03 Apr 09 - 10:58 AM Well ... it certainly looks like you are doing much, much research on this Amos. Keep us up to date with with this stuff. in the meantime ... I really must get back to work here. biLL :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Amos Date: 03 Apr 09 - 10:47 AM SHe had a mini. The iPOd the PResident gave her is an upgrade. It contains music and footage of her state visit to the US in May 2007. You're overworking your umbrage, pal; it'll collapse out from under you if you keep whipping it like that. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 03 Apr 09 - 10:42 AM Well from the footage I saw she didn't 'curtsy' .... tsk, tsk, tsk Those young ones just don't have any respect these days. The iPod they gave to the Her Majesty (who by the way already has one) contained speeches of Obama ... I hope HRM didn't stay up too long into the wee hours listening to these. also, The Obama's also presented a gift of DVD's to PM Brown. The DVD's were manufactured for North American DVD players. They didn't work in Brown's player. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: CarolC Date: 03 Apr 09 - 10:32 AM I read that she did curtsy and didn't shake the Queen's hand until the Queen extended it to her to shake (which is entirely correct protocol). The hug was initiated by the Queen, and Michelle responded, and the Queen's spokespeople say that is also perfectly correct. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Apr 09 - 10:36 PM In spite of all of my misgivings about Mrs. Obama, I suspect the Queen probably felt gratified to be treated like a real person for once. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 02 Apr 09 - 08:56 PM An iPod, yeah I heard that ..... kewl. It's probably rigged to emit subliminal messages of some sort. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Amos Date: 02 Apr 09 - 08:51 PM The Queen rather liked her, I think...gave 'er a little hug and all. I an sure there was no offense intended or taken between the two of them. And she gave her an iPod, remember... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 02 Apr 09 - 08:29 PM First Lady style ... she didn't even curtsy to the Queen. Barged right in and shook her hand. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Amos Date: 02 Apr 09 - 08:25 PM Well, keep a civil tongue in your head, you whippersnapper, or we'll have to give you a dose of Basic Decency, First Lady style. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Apr 09 - 08:12 AM I'd hate to fill his shoes if they were facing Michelle. Yikes! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 01 Apr 09 - 09:14 PM Me too .... I hate flip flops :) biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: Amos Date: 01 Apr 09 - 08:51 PM All I can say is, I am very glad you guys are not in Obama's shoes. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 01 Apr 09 - 07:52 PM Oooops ... I meant pulled out of Irag, and Fortress America in Baghdad. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 01 Apr 09 - 07:49 PM The troops may be pulled out of Iran, but Fortress America (the huge U.S. new embassy) will remain, reminding all in the mideast the U.S. has a secure foothold in the area ... and more divisions will be moved over to the Afghani, closer to Pakistan ... Hmmm, what do they fear about Pakistan? biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama caters to neo-cons - more war From: number 6 Date: 01 Apr 09 - 07:41 PM exactly rig. biLL |
