BS: Do we really need to see this ?

Subject: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 08:50 PM

The first TV advert in the UK for the morning-after pill is to be screened shortly. It comes after a row in recent weeks about the planned crop of TV adverts for condoms and sexual health services. I don't know about you, but do we really need such ad's ?

I am sick looking at ad's for sanity towels, now this lot is due to hit our screens.

The advert will show a woman waking up next to her partner and then taking a trip to a pharmacy to ask for the drug, which is the only morning-after pill available to women in the UK.


Next we will be watching how she got into this position.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 08:56 PM

Victor:

I would love to learn more about these sanity towels you have in the UK. Is there any evidence that they work? If so, how?



A

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 09:03 PM

lol

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 09:38 PM

I don't think ANY drug ads should be on TV.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 09:41 PM

Seems very sensible to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 09:43 PM

Sanity Towels for sale

No comment.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 09:47 PM

Bit of a prude, are you, Victor?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 10:34 PM

None of those towels for me... I think we should have a sanity clause.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Bert
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 02:38 AM

Not for you Amos. No chance.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 03:44 AM

Bill D: I donna believe inna Sanity Claus!

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 04:31 AM

Seems like sound common sense to me.

An old engineer once told me :

A standing pr*ck has no conscience, and a gaping [vagina] no pride.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 04:35 AM

Sorry, that should have read "sanitary towels" as well you know. Glad it entertained the resident site nerds. When your my age your allowed to make errors.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 04:52 AM

That reminds me of the Engineer Song, Bryn. You're (sic) quite right. Do you apply the same principle to your (sic) driving, Victor?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 04:53 AM

The only thing that bothers me about the feminine hygiene adds is the use of blue liquid to demonstrate their absorbency. I think we should see them in action, doing what they're designed to do & soaking up all shades of vaginal discharge - menstrual, seminal, or otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Michael
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 05:52 AM

Victor, I think the TV ads imply that you are allowed to make mistakes when you are any age!

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: 3refs
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 07:35 AM

I golf with a buddy who wears a pantie liner under his hat on hot days to stop the sweat from running down his face. The sticky tape must be placed on the hat though as it does not stick to bald heads! We now let him use the lady's tee!

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 08:32 AM

Why doesn't she get the moring after pill the day before?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 08:44 AM

Victor, was it a similar error that led you to falsely accuse another member of sending you offensive pms?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 09:06 AM

Just watch BBC - problem solved.

(Well, it might not cure your spelling or your sanity, but you can't have everything.)

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Becca72
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 09:13 AM

Sins, I think that would rip a hole in the space-time continuum...

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 09:26 AM

Keith A of Hertford, That was not a spelling error, that was a very nasty pm from a member in which he or she made a threat that you are referring to. A big difference sir.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 09:48 AM

Which was not a spelling error? The "ad's" when "ads" was meant?   Or "your" when "You're" was meant?

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 10:06 AM

Go do something else during the adverts if they offend you. I think that having the information out there is a good thing - however it gets there.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 10:12 AM

'The "ad's" when "ads" was meant?' and 'Or "your" when "You're" was meant?' are sentence fragments, not complete sentences. If you're going to be a pedant, you should probably avoid making grammatical errors yourself. Either you can do that, or you can just stifle the urge to take petty digs at people.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: goatfell
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 10:22 AM

prude, if you don't want to see it then either switch off or change the channel, and don't sit there watching it and then complaining and boring the rest of us. push the button

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 10:23 AM

Uncle_DaveO, I just sent you a pm concerning your remarks.

Thank you

Victor

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 10:28 AM

I read recently that a new found respect for older people in society has emerged. Clearly not on mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 11:31 AM

Great thread, thanks for the laughs folk!
And why don't they ever use builders or long distance lorry drivers advertise loo paper?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Becca72
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 12:01 PM

I should probably mind my own business and not poke the bear, so to speak, but my father taught me from a very young age that respect is earned, not granted simply based on age.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: goatfell
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 03:16 PM

If saw a thing on telly I wouldn't complain about it, I would just either switch off or change the channel they why we were born with thumbs.And I wouldn't complain about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 03:26 PM

Put the kettle on in the ad break, Victor, or have a flip through the other channels and see if there any Friends or South Park episodes on anywhere, or doumentaries about Lancaster bombers. There generally are.That always whiles a few minutes away in an agreeable fashion, I find.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 03:58 PM

It's not a matter of lack of respect for older people, Victor, it's that one can be ultra-prudish at any age, and it's the inherent prudishness of your objections to informative ads that people here are commenting on. After all, the appellation "Victor in Mapperton" doesn't specify your age, so as far as anyone here knows, you could be no older than fourteen.

Hell's bells, Victor, I doubt very seriously that you are any older than I am, and frankly, I think your objections belong back in the Victorian age, when some folks were so up-tight about matters of human reproduction that they put skirts on pianos so their legs—excuse me, "limbs"—wouldn't show.

How old am I? When the Big Bang occurred, I'm the one who said, "What the hell was THAT!??"

Don Firth (78 on June the 19th. By the way, that's age, not rpm.)

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 04:05 PM

>>Next we will be watching how she got into this position<<

Hmm thats a good idea :-)

I don't see what the problem is. I have three women in the house and its like water off a ducks back. It's no good trying to hide such things, they are a fact of life.

I think you must be suffering from embarrasment.

Sanitary Towels and Tampons are very good for nose bleeds, ask footballers.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 04:22 PM

I'd say this young lady either has a pretty bad sinus problem or she doesn't know diddly-squat about her own anatomy!

CLICKY.

Don Firth

P. S. Or Wibble Wibble.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 04:29 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 04:59 PM

Mousey mousey mousey...

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 05:28 PM

We have loads of contraceptive commercials here that are mostly bland. The ED stuff though, some of those ads are hilarious, the way they work euphemisms for erections and body parts in. Something about Santa having a 'sackful of pride' and the next-door neighbor watering his lawn with a droopy hose. More symbols than you can count.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 05:39 PM

Yes, Victor. We NEED to see it. Seen any teen pregnacy rates lately?






PS....women DO these 'horrible' things. Get over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 05:39 PM

No we don't really need to see it... that's why we have an off button on the television or mute on the remote.

BUT:

It's a fact of life. I personally don't agree with the morning after pill at all, there are many easier and safer methods of contraception, but if that is what it takes for a girl/woman to be absolutely sure she is not going to have an unwanted pregnancy, then that is that person's choice - just as it is your choice to watch or not to watch commercial TV.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 05:54 PM

At school we had a whole heap of nonsensical What's the definiton of...? jokes. The one that remains the funniest (and please forgive my puerile sense of humour) is What's the definition of a used tampon? The answer, of course, is the still sublime Dracula's tea-bag.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 05:57 PM

What's red & white and sits in a tree?

A sanitary owl.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 06:15 PM

Why don't we have adverts about responsibility, morals, honour, self-respect, apathy, the damage that crudity has done to our society, and the fact that despite such adverts as these, teenage pregnancy is still on the rise?

Why don't we have adverts on spirituality?

Why don't we have adverts on why we've stopped asking "Why?!"

Why don't we have adverts about how so many people have been dumbed down?

Why don't we have adverts about those who think you should never complain, just turn off the button?

Why don't we have adverts about how stupid, de-sensitised and irresponsible so many of us have become?

WHY don't we have adverts about the terrible damage we are doing to our children in flooding their young minds with information they so often don't want to know about, whilst being made to feel that unless they ARE out there, having it off on every street corner, with every Tom, Dick or Barbara, then queueing up at Tesco's to kill off any remote chance of any responsibility daring to come their way, and killing a new life being started..then they are NOT cool dudes who know how to live life on the modern Conveyor Belt of Life?

And WHY don't we have adverts about how turning away, pretending that our kids are all blissfully happy when they're dying inside, has actually caused adverts like this to be screened in the first place?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 06:26 PM

There you have it, folks! The world is coming to and end!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 06:30 PM

OH, Lizzie, but over HERE we DO.....!! Thanks to the Mormons!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 06:43 PM

Hmmmm...never thought of myself as a Mormon, and hell, I'd hate the underwear.... ;0)

..but the more you de-sensitise our children, surround them with 'Morning After Pills' and 'Heya kids, why not try anal sex to avoid pregnancy' as they taught over here for a while...???..the more fooked up our kids are going to become.

Geez, I'm 54 and can still remember when 'Go to work on an egg' adverts used to refer to a boiled egg for breakfast, not how to get rid of your own!

Sorry folks, but I refuse to join the 'Yeah! Tell the little blighters everything, then we can all live our lives not having to feel the remotest bit guilty for anything our kids do" brigade...

If you de sensitise children, they grow into de-sensitised adults and a world filled with de-sensitised adults is on the road to hell...

Preaching that the Morning After Pill is cool and really handy for that Naughty Night Before Slip Up is wrong, imo.

When did human life get to be so irrelevant?
We've lost the plot, as a species, methinks.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Deckman
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 06:44 PM

What's TV?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 06:47 PM

Terror Vision

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 06:54 PM

Lizzie, in the UK, anal intercourse is a legal activity ONLY between consenting men and women aged 16 and over, in both heterosexual and homosexual relationships, except in Northern Ireland where it's 17 and over

I would like you to quote exactly, and with evidence, where minors have been taught to practice it as a form of birth control

Personally I would prefer to see 'the morning after pill' available rather than unwanted pregnacies but, I would also like to see a society where, for some young women, parenthood is not the only viable 'career choice'

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 07:09 PM

Okay, ladies. Ten paces, turn and fire!    CLICKY.

(I'm outta here! This could get dangerous!)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 07:11 PM

Maybe Lizzie meant 'oral intercourse', not anal. Mind you, with some folk there probably isn't a lot of difference between the two orifices. ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 07:19 PM

Once on a cycling holiday I threw myself off my bike at fairly great speed, splitting my helmet, and skin severely in several places. (racing my son....should have known better at my age) However, the only bandages big enough to cover my quite large cuts had wings on !! You ladies are so lucky they don't stick like plasters!! And so was I (Band aid for USA folk..I think) So I probably needed insanity towels

Anyway, that aside, most of the children as young as eleven and twelve and certainly those above thirteen know about the "Morning after" pill. I don't think it abdicates responsible sex any more than condoms being given out in schools as they are now in some places. But we need to reduce teenage pregnancies urgently.

It's true we (the great we)are in serious danger of a de-sensitised adult population following our de-sensitised youth, a bit like Roman times really where anything went.But I worry more that the de-sensitisation concerns violence, lack of social concern and compassion for our fellow humans than the act of sex which is biologically driven and only controlled by "moral" codes of various groups of people or religions.

Regarding adverts on TV, we be far better banning adverts for booze considering the problems we are facing. I find it funny that there may be six million people watching a programme and three complain so the programme in censured or the complaint upheld.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 07:45 PM

You might be amazed at some of the ingenious uses to which panty shields can be put.

(Dunno what you call them on the east side of the Atlantic).

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 08:21 PM

"I would like you to quote exactly, and with evidence, where minors have been taught to practice it as a form of birth control"

Advised, not taught.

Dr. John Tripp and his team at Exeter University, Emma. The idea was taken out into our schools around 5/6 years back. I read about it in the paper, yup...it WAS the Daily Mail....and I was so disturbed that I rang Dr. Tripp's team at Exeter Uni. It was all true, I'm afraid.

Of course, if I, as an ordinary citizen, chose to talk to children I didn't know about this subject, say on the street, on a bus, or in my own home, I've no doubt I'd be arrested and labelled 'pervert' for the rest of my life, but heck, this is our 1984 Government talking, so anything is possible and acceptable.

Most people have no idea WHAT their children are being taught at school in sex education lessons, no idea at all.


"Personally I would prefer to see 'the morning after pill' available rather than unwanted pregnacies but, I would also like to see a society where, for some young women, parenthood is not the only viable 'career choice' "

Personally, I'd prefer to see The Morning After Pill banned from everywhere and never used again, apart from cases of rape, where I have no problems with it at all.

Human life is precious. There are no excuses today for people not knowing about contraception, apart from very rare occurrences.

To bring conception and the choice of life itself down to taking a pill which will stop the life you've just created from going any further, is, for me, to degrade the soul of humanity itself...Geez, we've all become so hard, so unfeeling, so uncaring, so disconnected.

And again, personally...I'd rather see Motherhood brought back and recognised for the hugely important role it is. It is the most important job in the world, and the fact that so many of us have chosen to become redundant in that 'job' has had a huge repercussion into our society and the way it now is.

Mothers are vastly important, as are our children.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 08:47 PM

'Heya kids, why not try anal sex to avoid pregnancy' as they taught over here for a while'

OK 'advised' as you now say and, of course - being in the Daily Mail - it HAS to be true!

However......

The programme, entitled 'A Pause', was devised by researchers at Exeter university and trained teachers to respond to pupils' questions about all kinds of sexual experience.

The fact that some minors may already sexually be active and that ignorance is to be avoided at all costs means that all their questions are treated as equally valid.

An article in the Daily Mail by a staunch critic of the programme Melanie Phillips nevertheless states -

"The driving aim of 'A Pause' is to delay sexual intercourse among schoolchildren by making it easier for them to resist pressure from their friends and the media.
Much of this programme is uncontroversial and has gained widespread respect."

In addition she adds

"His anxiety to avoid sexual intercourse among children is entirely honourable "

Her main argument is that, following the American model, UK children should be taught abstinence but, whether you agree with this form of sex education or not it's not really the impression you created Lizzie or even an accurate or adequate precis of a Daily Mail article

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 09:10 PM

May I also add that the paediatrician Dr John Tripp,
was quoted by the same Daily Mail critic in her article as being

'deeply concerned not just about sexual activity among children but also about the damaging effects of family breakdown.'

The course was NOT about training teachers to teach, or even 'advise' about anal intercourse but to simply enable teachers to deal with the questions that they may be asked by pupils only when, and IF they were asked!


One point I am in complete agreement with Melanie Phillips however is her contention that
'Of course, the cultural pressures on our children to indulge in harmful adult behaviour are immense.
The driver behind their premature sexual activity is the sexualisation of the culture'

I was saddened to hear recently of an American minor technically guilty of child pornography by distributing illegal photographs of herself on the internet no doubt encouraged by adult behaviour which makes jokes about and encourages such displays.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 09:33 PM

"To bring conception and the choice of life itself down to taking a pill which will stop the life you've just created from going any further, is, for me, to degrade the soul of humanity itself. . . ."

Dunno if you are aware of this, but as it happens, a woman having regular unprotected sexual relations would become pregnant far more often were it not for the fact that a fair pecentage of fertilized ova do not manage to implant in the uterine wall, and are simply expelled during her next period. All the morning after pill does is make sure that, if there is a fertilized ovum, it doesn't implant. It can hardly be equated with an abortion.

The above quotation is only one small step away from wanting birth control to be banned althogether.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: goatfell
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 11:53 AM

as I say I don't want to be invovled with cat fights I have more important things to worry about instead of adverts

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: theleveller
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 12:01 PM

"When your my age your allowed to make errors."

Presumably that would not include having unprotected sex?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: theleveller
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 12:05 PM

"Personally, I'd prefer to see The Morning After Pill banned from everywhere and never used again, apart from cases of rape, where I have no problems with it at all."

Personally, I prefer to let people have the information they need to make their own decisions. It makes for a free and fair society. Pity we don't have it on other issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 12:08 PM

Jacqui, I think you got it wrong - Lizzie meant aural intercourse, not oral, nor anal. You know, it's when a friend "scores" one night and you never hear the end of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 12:18 PM

Victor, there are the "turn the tv off" or "change the channel" options you know.

"You know, it's when a friend "scores" one night and you never hear the end of it."

somwhat like some musicians, they have one good night, and one never hears the end of THAT!

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: theleveller
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 12:21 PM

"aural intercourse"

As in "you're not putting that thing in ear"?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: jeffp
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 01:23 PM

I thought aural intercourse was when you pass in the hall and say, "Fuck You!"

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 03:54 PM

In an apartment I was living in some decades back, I was often treated to aural intercourse.

The gal who lived in the next apartment had a boy friend who dropped by almost every night. The walls were thin, her bedsprings were squeaky, the headboard of her bed thumped against the wall, and when she was enjoying herself, she was highly vocal. Practically every bloody night!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 04:34 PM

Sorry Don, if I'd know.... :)

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 05:50 PM

HAH! Good one, Liz!

(Hmm . . . now if I'd only known. . . .)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Maryrrf
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 09:19 PM

Although it makes no sense, and although I myself thought it was a myth, it does happen. I'm talking about women increasing their welfare checks by having another baby. My second husband had relatives in New York who lived in a rather rough housing project in Brooklyn. We visited them fairly regularly - they were good, hard working people but due to circumstances I won't go into here they ended up living in public housing. Not all of their neighbors were what I would term good and hard working. I met people who openly talked about having kids in order to get welfare, and they'd made it practically a full time job to figure out how to get the maximum benefits. They knew what offices to visit, what lines to stand in and how to fill in the forms so they'd be accepted. Now, none of these people lived as well as they would have if they'd stayed in school and gotten some job training - even if you milk the benefits they are pretty meagre. But it did seem to be a mindset for some people. This is purely anectodal, by the way, and I have no idea how widespread it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 02:51 AM

Very good, George, that made me smile and brought a whole new image, and understanding, of why folkies put their fingers in their ears!   :0)



From Don: "The above quotation is only one small step away from wanting birth control to be banned althogether."

Nope, actually Don, it doesn't. Educate people to be think before, not after. The Morning After Pill puts huge amounts of hormones into the bodies of often very young women. We have no idea yet of the affects this may have in later life.

For me, the entire ethos behind this form of 'contraception' is wrong. I have never thought of any part of the creation of life in scientific terms, only Spiritual.   To have something which brings that down to simply popping a pill of such dramatic proportions, 'just in case I'm pregnant' is a totally de-sensitised approach to life itself, in my view..

And no...I am not a religious fanatic, before people start going down that road, but I think we have completely lost touch with the meaning of what life itself is about.

'Life' has become 'disposable' right from the start...



From Emma: "Her main argument is that, following the American model, UK children should be taught abstinence but, whether you agree with this form of sex education or not it's not really the impression you created Lizzie or even an accurate or adequate precis of a Daily Mail article.."

Emma, I actually *spoke* to the guys at Exeter University about this. I asked them about the very points I mentioned above, and I was told that the point of this was to advise youngsters to try anal and oral sex over the usual form of intercourse, to avoid pregnancy. They assured me it was done with the best interest of the young people at heart..They also told me that Dr. John Tripp was a well respected man in his medical field and cared deeply for children.
I told them that may well be, but in this particular instance, he, and the whole of his team, had completely lost the plot and it was bordering on the perverted.

As I said, if I spoke to a young person in this manner, I'd probably be arrested and most definitey would be avoided by the local population, but because these things are happening in our schools, then for some extraordinary reason no-one questions it!

I question everything.

These things are being told to our children without the consent or knowledge of parents, most of whom take no interest at all as to what their children are being told by schools. To me, that's crazy.

Whether I've precised the article in the way you may want me to, I really couldn't give a flying duck. I also don't care that it was in the Daily Mail, because I don't have the bigotted, narrow-minded 'paperist' attitude that some folks in here do.

In this case, I can assure you that it WAS true.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 08:31 AM

Why do people not advertise etc etc etc. Maybe because advertising is to tell you about a product that people want to make money out of?

Now then, why do people ask bloody stupid questions?

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 09:22 AM

Lizzie Cornish commented:

To have something which brings that down to simply popping a pill of such dramatic proportions, 'just in case I'm pregnant' is a totally de-sensitised approach to life itself, in my view.

No, it's NOT 'just in case I'm pregnant'. The whole point is that at that point she's not pregnant yet; it's 'Lest I become pregnant.' That's an entirely different kettle of fish. She's not pregnant until and unless a fertilized egg embeds in the uterus wall. The M.A. pill is to prevent that, if there should be a fertilized egg.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 09:30 AM

I expect one day to hear every unfertilized egg and every spilled sperm labeled murder.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 12:04 PM

It's advertising, isn't it? It's all about making money off the punters, isn't it? It's that simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 12:36 PM

Yes, Jeri, and then we'll all have to go to farms where every little bit can be *harvested* and made into a jazillion little clones of whatever religious wrong wins out, eh? Reminds me of The Handmaid's Tale. I can just see it, now!

I applaud the fact that woman have fought for, and won, one more right to choose what is best for us and our bodies.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Apr 09 - 03:49 PM

Of course every sperm is sacred...

:D (eG)

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: goatfell
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 05:34 AM

as I say are these people that don't agree with you arseholes or simply people that use their brains, I mean if I saw a programme or advert that I didn't want to see I'd turn off the channel or watch another one.

Sound like a broken record don't I

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 06:41 AM

right on Goatfell!

We do really need to see this!

Britain's Forgotten Children

Channel 4, on 12 May (what would be Andie's 28th birthday) I will watch this programme.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Mooh
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 09:18 AM

Don...Since we can still celebrate birth, Happy Birthday, lest I miss it when it actually happens on June 19th.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Apr 09 - 08:19 PM

Thank you, Mooh!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 01:27 AM

Could Victor just have been commenting on drug ads in general on tv? Just wondering but coming from the UK I find it amazing that there are ads for medicinal drugs on TV -- watch an ad - go tell your doctor what you need and make the drug companies rich? I am not sure the comment was prudish



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Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 01:50 AM

I have to ask, what's with this "change the channel" business.

Since the "digital TV" trials started, I can only get two channels, and almost never both at the same time. One channel is 60% "bible babble" with the rest "paid commercial announcements." The other is 100% "Judge Idiot" and "reality shows."

One of the penalties of being poor is that one does not have the freedom of choice enjoyed by the gentry. It is "unkind" to assume that others enjoy all the privileges of your own kind.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 04:01 AM

Changing channels or turning off when you see an offensive ad doesn't solve the problem - by then you have been offended, the upsetting images are already in your head and do not disappear at the touch of a button.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: goatfell
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 04:28 AM

or else pull the plug and listen to the radio and think about something else I meam getting upset about thses adverts it just shows you what a lonely life you lead there are more important things in life than adverts.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we really need to see this ?
From: goatfell
Date: 30 Apr 09 - 05:20 AM

GET A LIFE