English Fair Fund is BNP Front

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 17 May 09 - 10:29 AM

ifor, If you search for things to suit you case,you can find them. Football clubs,political parties, actors and men of the cloth. None of the above from 20 plus years ago would change my views on the party.

I do believe people like myself who voted for Labour want to see a change. A lot of people will not openly express their views due to people like you giving history lessons. The ballot box next year will do the talking.

There is no political party for the working class, that is fact.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Ifor
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:45 AM

To Al,
Its not a smear to report the FACTS about the BNP.
It is packed with fascists,Racist and violent thugs.It was formed out of the remains of the extremely thuggish National Front in the early 1980s and has only ever had two leaders.
The first one John Tyndall was an open and brazen nazi and can be seen in full nazi uniform on "google images".Go on take a look at it and then come tell us if it is a smear.He had six serious convictions for race hate crimes,violent assaults and belonging to a paramilitary organisation.

His successor ,Nick Griffin,is an ex public schoolboy who has been involved in racist activities since his teenage years.He can also be seen on "google images" wearing his white power T shirt.He has a conviction for holocaust denial and incitement to racial hatred under his rather large belt.

But the BNP is stuffed with these unsavoury thugs from top to bottom."Searchlight" is a good source of info about this horrible organisation but readers could also try "Hope Not Hate" or the "Unite Against Fascism" website. Searchlight is good because it has a huge archive about the far right which goes back several decades.

ifor

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Paul Burke
Date: 17 May 09 - 08:36 AM

You've forgotten the basics of solidarity Al. It's NOT with bosses, however white they may be, it's with working folk, whatever their origins. I'm descended from "economic migrants"- Irish ones- and I dare say you are. "They" do adopt our customs, far more than you may think, and the different religion is no more shhocking today than my own abncestors' Catholicism was to a mostly- Protestant country. The same arguments about "tem" taking over were forwarded at the time of the Catholic emancipation debates almost 200 years ago.

Since it's a folk forum:

My union's flag has two joined hands
With lighted flame in common fight,
But trouble's brewing in the sheds
For both those workers' hands are white.

But workers' hands are white and black
And the work they do is all the same,
Till prejudice and fear come in
To break the grip and dim the flame.

The shunters broke that grip one day-
The King's Cross goods yard went on strike,
Not in a fight for better pay,
But a coloured man they did not like.

They did not like that coloured man-
They would not work with him, they said,
In truth it touched their overtime
And to a colour bar it led.

The colour bar strikers soon went back,
Jim Figgins led the NUR,
And when they asked for his support,
He said "We'll have no colour bar."

"Get back to work!" Jim Figgins cried,
"This is a strike we'll not support,
This is the kind of ignorance
That the unions have always fought!"

But though the union won that fight
The pressure's there and rising higher.
Smoke rises in the engine sheds
And where ther's smoke, there's always fire.

Man, don't let smoke get in your eyes,
Kindle that flame and keep it bright.
To proud traditions still be true
And make those joined hands black and white.

1959 I believe- anyone know who wrote it?

---

This thread (click) says "Colour Bar Strike" was by Mayo & MacColl. -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 17 May 09 - 08:10 AM

Paul, I also pity the BNP for having to put up with the media's unrelenting smear campaign. Why are so many people against talking to them. A few years ago our government was talking to Sinn fein while they were killing our soldiers ! These people knew the identities of terroists. But our government still spoke to them !!! Is the BNP worse than that???

I feel the other parties have lost touch with the working man. In my situation at present The place where I work we are being replaced from our jobs by eastern block cheap labour. But my council tax, household bills still rise. Britain I agree is a multi cutural society but we have gone too PC worried about offending other faiths at christmas and all manner of things we read about in the media !!!

If they don't want to follow our culture and laws . Why do they still want to live in the uk?? When I worked in Saudi I have had to follow their customs and laws and had to respect them. As I was I their country ! ! Why is that different to the uk where we are so afraid of offending other faiths etc ??

It will be a protest to the other parties to wake up and think of us first. The working man of the UK.I would never have considered voting for them before, but I can understand the reasons people are voting for them,as enough is enough on immigration. Gordon Brown can't even house the population of this country.its appalling let's hope he listens b4 its too late.

I think BNP will take a suprising number of votes. Perhaps then people will listen and Labour will realise that this country should not be seen as a Utopia for people from other countries.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,peterfirth
Date: 17 May 09 - 07:51 AM

On my too few visits to the UK, my arguments with members of this racist organization have been over the questions of,firstly, how far back in time does this "Englishness" go and secondly, what is England going to do with all the repatriated whites that are going to arrive from Australia, USA, Canada, and South Africa as these countries also adopt BNP policies for their own indiginous people.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 May 09 - 07:14 AM

Paul. Well said. But don't let disgust with Labour put you off voting in the Euro elections. Don't forget, because the results are based on proportional representation, plus massive voter apathy the BNP only need a tiny upswing from the (approx) 4% they got last time to start securing seats.

I am totally pissed off with the labour Party at present - and to make things worse they are the ruling group on my local council, which is currently closing no less than 49 Leisure and Cultural facilities, despite the deafening howls of protest from their electorate. Nevertheless, I shall be in the polling booth on June 4th and I shall find somebody - anybody - to vote for, just to keep those bastards out of the european Parliament.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Paul Burke
Date: 17 May 09 - 07:00 AM

Because they are racists. If you can't see the problem with racism, you aren't as clever as you think.

Example: Yugoslavia used to be a thriving, modern, industrial country. Then they got a leader who tried to run it for the benefit of "proper European" Serbs and not the "Turk" Moslems. Result? War. Country wrecked. No Yugoslavia. Everybody poorer except the warlords and drug smugglers.

Example: Rwanda. nuff said.

If you complain that they are all immigrants and have no links with Britain, how do you think Britain got rich? Hint- we had an Empire. They were rich before that.

You say you used to be a Labour voter; so did I, since I first voted in 1971, and I can't imagine circumstances that would persuade me to vote for that unprincipled bunch again. But I'm not going to vote for some other unprincipled bunch either.

If racism doesn't offend you, you are inviting others to discriminate against yourself. Sauce for the goose and all that. Have it that way if you want, but don't start whinging when you find you're not one of the in crowd.

The Labour party lost its principles when they tried to pretend that class doesn't exist, and were happy to join the ranks of the rich. The split is between over- entitled and ordinary folk, not between British and foreign. Do you really think you have more in common with Fred Goodwin or Richard Branson than with an Asian warehouse stacker, a Chinese cockle picker or a Polish farm labourer?

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 17 May 09 - 05:54 AM

Why are so many down on the BNP ? I have always been a Labour voter, I will be voting BNP from now on. Their politics are clear, Britain needs this party now more than ever. And there are a lot more like me out there. This country is in a mess and there is no point in closing the door on a dirty room, get in there and clean it out.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 May 09 - 05:05 AM

Here's what the BNP Activists Handbook has to say on the subject of St Georges Day and other "cultural events".   

ST GEORGE'S DAY: Ideally our units will lead their communities in organising, or at least supporting cultural events such as St. George's Day celebrations (April 23d). Most regions of the country have cultural events which are unique to that area, or county. For example, the Padstow Hobby Horse in Cornwall, Arbor Day in Shropshire, Garland King Day and the Well Dressing in Derbyshire, the Marshfield Mummers in Wiltshire, the Haxey Hood in Humberside and countless others.
Some such celebrations, now very popular, have only been revived in recent years - the Hastings Jack in the Green and Whittlesey Straw Bear festivals show just how big such things can get. Why not do some research to see if there's a lost local tradition that you can inspire a team of enthusiasts to revive? Our ancient national festivals, such as May Day, Guy Fawkes Night and Christmas, should also be staunchly supported - lest the PC lunatic health and safety police and the Islamists manage to ban them all.

Maybe it's encouraging to realise that this bunch of "patriots" don't even know the geography of the country they claim to defend. "Somewhere in England", presumably.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 16 May 09 - 01:20 PM

I don,t have a problem posting a link to the BNP, so those who wish my know more about this insidious politcal presence (know your enemy)

BNP

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 16 May 09 - 01:09 PM

gurgly is a big boy and knows how to search for things hisself

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Llanfair
Date: 16 May 09 - 01:04 PM

Unfortunately, Nick Griffin lives in the next village to me in Mid-Wales. Soon after we moved here, 13 years ago, we had some literature through the door with all the holocaust denial stuff as well as the usual BNP propaganda. I have to admit I was sickened, wondering what kind of place we'd come to. It turned out that all the
locals despised him, and all he stands for. Still do.
It always amazes me how many BT vans there are in this rural area, and I suspect that he is being VERY closely watched.

I don't think he's going to usurp our Lembit any time soon.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 May 09 - 12:54 PM

Please Post a few links to the BNP party sites There's already been a published link to a BNP site in this thread, gargoyle. And in any sense there's a useful resource called Google.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 16 May 09 - 12:42 PM

Meant to say also and clicked befroe typing it..

we should use those leaflets to collect dog poo and put them back through the letter boxes of know BNP members.

Oh NO! I did not wirte that out loud!

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 16 May 09 - 12:40 PM

We received the BNP leaflet today. It went straight into the bin. It's bad enough that I shout at the telly and radio 4 - without standing in the kitchen shouting at a piece of paper too!

We shout at Radio 4 and the news on telly too, when racists bastards are permitted airtime.

I bet the neighbors do wonder.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 16 May 09 - 11:57 AM

Gin,

I am not going to start publicing a racist/fascist organisation whose aims and objectives I loathe and despise.

"In any event, as I understand it, anonymous postings from "Guests" are not allowed on Mudcat"

Sorry. This was a reply to someone who posted under the name of "Guest". Not allowed on Mudcat. "Guest's" posting was removed a couple of minutes after I had posted mine. Thanks, Mudcat Moderator.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 16 May 09 - 11:46 AM

"could very possibly have fooled non-BNP Mudcat members into playing for bogus St Georges Day celebrations"

I'm just wondering how stupid you think we are?

Print the links by all means, let those want, know the enemy.

"In any event, as I understand it, anonymous postings from "Guests" are not allowed on Mudcat"

sorry I'm chortlig here at this non-response

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 16 May 09 - 08:32 AM

Gargoyle. I've no intention of publicising links to the BNP, or any other Nazi organisation. If you want an idea of what the BNP are about, take a look at the Ku Klux Klan, with whom they have fraternal links.

Guest. This topic is not BS. I started it after receiving information about a BNP fronted initiative, which could very possibly have fooled non-BNP Mudcat members into playing for bogus St Georges Day celebrations. In any event, as I understand it, anonymous postings from "Guests" are not allowed on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 16 May 09 - 08:08 AM

Being a Yank - I had never heard about the BNP until one of the Mudcat Maine-iacs bragged about YouTube postings with thousands of hits on his recordings of sailor songs....and you Brits urged the singer to distance himself dispite the excellent publicity.

That led me to explore all of GoodFightLad's musical collection (much removed now) and to view the all the video links. It appears he and BNP have some valid issues - I especially like the poster "This is a British BullDog NOT a Brussel's Sprout."

For the sake of a Yank seeking more information - could you Please Post a few links to the BNP party sites that seem to be getting your folkie knickers all in bind?

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 16 May 09 - 07:55 AM

We got a BNP leaflet through the door the other day; so did my Indian neighbours presumably. We also got a Green Party leaflet which depressed me, though for different reasons. What waste of our natural resources, recycled or otherwise!

If they repatriated me they'd have to quarter me first...

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Hugo
Date: 16 May 09 - 07:42 AM

The BNP had its Euro election training manual leaked in the press a few weeks ago.The author of the manual ,its leader the ex public school boy Nick Griffin, warned his own to be on their best behaviour.He described members of his own organisation as "compulsive liars","Walter Mitty characters", "oddballs" and "cranks".

I would go along with add but would add,baroom bigots, foul mouthed racists, fascist thugs and hooligans.
Hugo

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Paul Burke
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:50 PM

Sorry, the battery in by ketboard has packed uo.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Paul Burke
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:50 PM

It was of course a depression and useless mainstream politicians that let a previous idiot into power.

Votr. Votr Green.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: paula t
Date: 15 May 09 - 04:27 PM

We received the BNP leaflet today. It went straight into the bin. It's bad enough that I shout at the telly and radio 4 - without standing in the kitchen shouting at a piece of paper too!

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 15 May 09 - 11:23 AM

Britannia, she's half English, she speaks Latin at home
St George was born in the Lebanon, how he got here I don't know
And those three lions on your shirt,
They never sprang from England's dirt
Them lions are half English and I'm half English too.

- England Half English. Billy Bragg

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Guest Rupert
Date: 15 May 09 - 10:16 AM

Just sent this to the Guardian and a couple of locals - the more the merrier to show them for what they are. Thanks to Emma B for the information.

As every schoolboy will know the Spitfire was a jolly handy thing to have had around during the last world war, however, like the Union Flag it seems to have been adopted by the BNP as an ever enduring symbol of total Britishness. Had their schoolboys in residence done their homework they would have found the plane they have used in their publicity was one flown by Polish pilots during the Battle of Britain, in fact 303 Squadron - the astonishingly brave regiment of Polish fighter pilots who were rescued from France and battled the Nazis over the skies of England.
Perhaps the BNP thought it was a plumber making his way back home.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 15 May 09 - 09:27 AM

Paul Burke. "Don't forget that you can check out their (very strange) membership: download a spreadsheet of their membership a couple of years ago at Wikileaks."

That list has been useful to me on a couple of occasions. In particular, a former member of a one time famous English folk group (I won't name him for fear of causing embarressment), told me the other day that a cousin of his had been a member of a fascist organisation in the early 1960s. He then explained how said folk group had gone to a public meeting to hear a speaker from the newly created republic of Ghana. Some nutter at the back throws a bottle of acid at the platform. The group chase him outside. There, on the other side of the road, is a fascist demonstratation and in the middle of the demonstration is this bloke's cousin. All in the past, he thinks. Nothing more than youthful folly, in fact.

I asked him what the bloke's name was. He told me. I looked him up. Name, address and former occupation all tallied. The guy is still alive and still active and he is now a member of the BNP.

Never trust the leopard to change its spots.

Anne. "I particularly liked the statement on the leaflet by the hospital doctor who had seen what immigration "has done to the NHS". Yup. Provided a lot of doctors, consultants and nursing staff, that's what."

That struck me too. I've just spent a couple of days in hospital and I can tell you the proportion of "non-Britons" on the hospital staff far outweighed the proportion of "non-Britons" in the hospital beds.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 15 May 09 - 08:49 AM

"Following the MP claims scandal, the response from most people I speak to seems to be to not bother voting"
The reaction of one young man on television a couple of nights ago to this was "I'm voting for the BNP this time". It is getting very worrying!!

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Joe P
Date: 15 May 09 - 08:39 AM

Following the MP claims scandal, the response from most people I speak to seems to be to not bother voting. That could be dangerous.

Maybe there should be a 'not the BNP' choice on the vote slip, for such people who dont particularly want to vote for anyone else.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 May 09 - 08:03 AM

Don't think for one minute what happened in Europe in the 1930s/40s can't happen again. The ethnic cleansing in Bosnia is still recent history.

it only takes a handful of extremists to get a foothold for things to get out of control. Historically the Nazis were a minority party which had virtually no creditability. The rate by which they came to power is frightening.

Unfortunately, election campaigning, even by the major parties, is based on criticising the incumbant government with little or no reference to what they would do differently, if anything at all. The campaigns usually say vote for us for a ..whatever... Britain. How, What, When... a slight lack of commitment.

Im sure that BNPs literature wont be to the effect of vote for us and we will promote divide and rule and blame it all on minorities....

The BNP and other far right parties in Europe are worrying and the implications are something I might go into at a later date.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 May 09 - 07:44 AM

I am outraged that the GLA employs extremists. I suggest those who feel the same should email [e-mail] as avised by gla press and pr officer.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 15 May 09 - 07:31 AM

Huh. Bunch of filthy inbreds - send 'em all back to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha...

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 May 09 - 06:42 AM

I think you'll find that quite a lot of Prince Philip's ancestors, apart from the Greeks and the Germans, were English.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 15 May 09 - 06:30 AM

The BNP has had only two leaders since its founding in the early 1980s.Griffin's predecessor , the late John Tyndall, can be seen on "google images" dressed in full nazi uniform posing with two fellow nazis under a framed photograph of Hitler and in front of a swastika.
Griffin,likewise on google images, can also be seen in his "white power" shirt at some racist demonstration.
What a pair of unsavoury thugs.Tyndall had six serious criminal convictions while his successor was convicted of incitement to racial hatred back in 1998.
ifor

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Anne Lister
Date: 15 May 09 - 06:29 AM

What has boggled my mind is the slogan on their leaflet "because we've earned the right", followed by the names of various battles, starting with Trafalgar and ending with the Falklands.
Have they looked at army lists and worked out precisely how many of our soldiers came from suitable blood lines? Somehow I doubt it. And are they saying that only families who have provided cannon fodder for all these battles have "earned the right"?

But if that is what they're saying, then it's a far more varied range of blood lines than they're suggesting, including 303 Squadron.

I particularly liked the statement on the leaflet by the hospital doctor who had seen what immigration "has done to the NHS". Yup. Provided a lot of doctors, consultants and nursing staff, that's what.

Anne

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:38 AM

He said the BNP's ultimate aim was the "lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK".

Saw one of those on telly the other day. Oh, he speaks English well enough now, but he's not one of us let me tell you. Wasn't even born here. Classic example of foreigners waltzing in here, taking up positions that could perfectly well have been occupied by true-born Brits, depriving us of our opportunities in our own country. And I'll tell you what else, he's even had the nerve to marry one of ours, then bring up a whole family and make out that they're English! Second-generation resident foreigners, more like. And none of them have got proper jobs - they're all living off our taxes. Disgusting.

Prince Philip, I think his name was.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:30 AM

I experienced a rather scary moment on St George's day of this year. I was walking back home through a housing estate, here in S. Manchester (an estate which is ethnically mixed - although mainly white, working class). I first noticed lots of red and white crosses of St. George in upstairs windows - but it was when I encountered a toddler with her face painted with a Union Jack that I experienced a strong feeling of unease. Was all of this a manifestation of the Far Right - or just my imagination?

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Will Fly
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:25 AM

banksie:
I wish I could remember the guy's name but there was a TV show I saw a year or two ago in which a proudly racist individual and (I think) a BNP activist - claiming to to be `Brit' through and through - had his ancestry traced and found that his great grandfather had actually come from somewhere like Romania or Armenia and had created an entirely false history once he'd been naturalised.

The presenter was the art critic Andrew Graham-Dixon and the programme, on Channel 4, was one of the best and most incisive of the year. Carol Thatcher participated and was shown DNA evidence that her family had roots in, among other places, the Middle East. I recall very well the most vociferous of "Brits" who had all sorts of nasty "foreign" origins - he could barely speak when presented with the evidence. One very hoity-toity woman threatened to sue the programme makers, but I believe nothing came of it.

Anyone with a modicum of sense - particularly anyone who's delved deeply into their family history (as I have for nearly 30 years) - will know that you just can't play these silly BNP-style race games. In fact, they're not going on race, as such, merely on skin colour, i.e. the bleeding obvious. Such stupidity is mind-boggling. I think it was possibly Joan Armatrading who, when asked if she'd like to be given money to go "home", replied, "What - to Birmingham?"

Simple mathematics (x2) will tell you that, unless you know the exact origins of all ancestors (2 parents, 4 gandparents, 8 g-grandparents, 16 g-g-grandparents, 32 g-g-g-grandparents, etc.), assumptions about being being a "true Brit" or anything else are cuckoo.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:22 AM

Thanks for starting the thread, Fred, and for the useful info, Emma B. We need to make sure we get the maximum turnout at the European elections here in the North West, otherwise there's every chance they'll get an MEP elected on the back of voter apathy.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: banksie
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:04 AM

"lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK".

That probably means most of the population, including most of the BNP membership. I wish I could remember the guy's name but there was a TV show I saw a year or two ago in which a proudly racist individual and (I think) a BNP activist - claiming to to be `Brit' through and through - had his ancestry traced and found that his great grandfather had actually come from somewhere like Romania or Armenia and had created an entirely false history once he'd been naturalised.

I just love the way they go on about Anglo-Saxons, forgetting that they were, of course, just another group of `bloody foreigners' invading these green and pleasant lands. If they want to be `British' I would guess their best chance would be to move to north west Wales - oh, and learn the language too.

And the worst thing is, I feel, that the BNP are the worst kind of `little Englanders' who assume that, once we've got rid of everybody we don't like that things here will be, some how, OK. I suspect most of the population will by then be trying their hand at illegal/economic emigration into countries like Poland to try and find work, for their won't be much here. And as we will be out of Europe (if they have their way) we'll find them all being shipped back here in chains or similar.

They are, in the end, built totally on a cheap trick that the human always falls for - pick someone as `the enemy', blame everything on them, and get the population to persecute the hell out of them rather than face up to the real issues.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Peace
Date: 14 May 09 - 07:53 PM

"Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: TheSnail - PM
Date: 14 May 09 - 10:21 AM

Bryn Pugh

I think I shall have to stop wearing my Croes Celtaidd (Celtic cross) until after the elections.

Don't do that, Bryn. That's handing it over to the Nasties. Wear it with pride and give anybody a mouthful if they accuse you of being in the BNP. It would be like not singing John Barleycorn just because Nick Griffin sings it at the end of BNP meetings.

Excellent statement by TheSnail. May have to stop arguing with him.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Paul Burke
Date: 14 May 09 - 06:37 PM

Don't forget that you can check out their (very strange) membership: download a spreadsheet of their membership a couple of years agoi at Wikileaks.

You'll be shocked, then amused, to see your local puffed up nonentities there.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 May 09 - 05:32 PM

Am I the only one who thinks it ironic that the BNP are campaigning to recognise St George's day - when he wasn't English and probably never visited England? In fact, he was more likely to be one of these 'racial foriegners' they are trying to 'repatriate'.

LTS

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 14 May 09 - 04:14 PM

Murder has been committed in the name of the BNP. For details get hold of a copy of Billy Bragg's A Progressive Patriot.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Ian cookieless
Date: 14 May 09 - 04:09 PM

Thank goodness: a thread that has intelligent people making incisive comments about the BNP (unlike some other Mudcat threads - may this one stay sane).

I, too, looked at the BNP site (link above), having had their vile and scary leaflet through my door today. Scary because it tell lies that are widely believed. Scary because the underlying motivation of everything in it is racist hatred. Scary because I keep hearing people locally say phrases that it is obvious they don't know the meaning of and have just picked up from the BNP. I know it's the BNP because these people claim the BNP are not racist, just nationalist, and it isn't the same thing ... apparently. Any discussion I try to have with them - about different sorts of nationalisms, that the historical roots and future intentions of nationalism are key, that nationalism is different in nature when it tries to defend an oppressed people than when it justifies that oppression - is just met with blank looks. They don't know their history or their politics. Thinking or analysing is too difficult for these people.   

Back to that scary website. Racist criminal Nick Griffin has the following on it. When someone writes this sort of ridiculous garbage, where oh where do you start the deconstruction?

"Flicking burning matches into boxes of gelignite! That's the only way to describe the irresponsible antics of the far-left as they use the distant conflict in Gaza as an excuse to wind up young Muslims. Their aim is to spark clashes with the police that would 'radicalise' the Muslim community in the hope that they could then be recruited to Marxist revolutionary organisations such as the Socialist Workers Party and Respect.

"Just how frighteningly close these white atheist cranks are to sparking riots that could tear many parts of Britain apart can be judged from the two pieces of video footage accompanying this report."

What *really* scares me is that those local people I mentioned earlier are what you might think of as 'nice' people on the surface, but they make excuses for the BNP's criminal past and try to tell me they're not like that now. They are ripe and ready for the BNP. I wish I could be persuaded that my fears are ungrounded. My experience tells me otherwise.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Emma B
Date: 14 May 09 - 12:18 PM

btw it isn't going to stop me drinking English beer - ('warm' - of course) either!

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Emma B
Date: 14 May 09 - 11:59 AM

Fred, I confess that I learned of the identity of the Spitfire from a reported statement by a spokesperson at the Royal Air Force museum who was quoted as saying:

"The Spitfire in the poster can be identified as belonging to 303 Squadron of the Polish Air Force by the code letters 'RF' painted in front of the RAF roundel.

"303 Squadron operated Spitfires from Northolt, Kirton-in-Lindsey, Coltishall and other RAF stations in the UK between 1941 and 1945 after flying Hurricanes in the Battle of Britain."

I suspect that this was the first way the BNP did too :)

In fact I have a tenuous family link with the squadron as my mother, before meeting my father, was engaged to a Polish pilot who was one of the many who lost their lives.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 14 May 09 - 11:48 AM

( ** Despite being bitterly opposed to the current EU, the BNP desperately wants to get an MEP elected this summer because it will unlock a shedload of funding )

Isn't their hypocrisy amazing? Nick Griffin and his thugs certainly have alot to answer for. My father would turn over in his grave if he saw that Spitfire poster. (He fought in the Battle of Britain,for something Griffin and Co. wouldn't understand even if they fell over it in the street)

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 14 May 09 - 11:36 AM

Emma. "The poster shows a nostalgic, sepia toned picture of a Spitfire - the fighter that helped turn the tide against the German Luftwaffe during WW2 - above the headline "Battle for Britain".

That is the self-same logo which appears on the election communication which was delivered to me yesterday in the post. But how have you identified it as belonging to 303 Squadron? I can't see anything to indicate thus.

In any event, it would not be the first time the far right have tripped themselves up like this. I remember a National Front poster which purported to show large numbers of Black people in a shopping centre "somewhere in Britain". It emerged in fact that the photograph was taken in Kingston, Jamaica.

"Despite being bitterly opposed to the current EU, the BNP desperately wants to get an MEP elected this summer because it will unlock a shedload of funding).

That's not the only reason. The BNP seem to be forging unions with fascist parties, some of whom are already represented in the European Parliament. (And beyond Europe in fact. There was an interesting report in Saturday's Independent about them cosying up to South African millionaires who want to see apartheid reintroduced in South Africa.)

I don't think this is just a case of compadres with a common cause. Rather, I think the BNP, and the other European fascists have adopted some of the idea of survivalism, which has been knocking round far right circles for years. Basically, they believe that all the world's races which aren't Anglo-Saxon-Aryan are genetically degenerate, a drag on the white master race, and have been feather bedded by a combination of evolutionary circumstance and the benevolent good nature, energy and foresight of the ASAs.

However, they also believe that all this feather bedding, along with climate change, fossil fuel shortages etc., is leading the whole world into a doomed apocolypse, and that the human race will end up slaughtering each other for what's left of the world's resources. Rather like the script of a Mad Max movie. The winners of this diabolical debacle will of course be the fittest and strongest and the smartest, IE., the white races. It is in fact a very warped version of Darwin's law of survival. Therefore, to prepare for Armageddon, the European fascist parties plan to forge a Union of European fascist states, along with like minded souls elsewhere. EG. white South Africans.

With this accomplished, Europe becomes a virtual fortress, with Europe fighting the Third World, and quite likely Russia and China, for what's left of the world's resources, and destroying most of the world's peoples in the process.

A frightening scenario, and one which will be familiar to anyone who's read 1984, or carefully studied the BNP website.

Subject: English Fair Fund, BNP, PC and White Guilt
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 May 09 - 11:18 AM

PS, a hi with salute to Bryn-- one of the most "multiculturally competent" Catters. I learned that term recently in some other studies, as it refers to people able to deal with folks of all sorts, effectively.

~S~