BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 04:40 PM

Will Leg Before Inside Edge be recoed in the next Wisden?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 05:12 PM

both Sidebottom and Rashid should play.
Collingwood should bat no 3, Bopara should be dropped.
I see no one is complaining about bad umpiring decisions this time?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 05:13 PM

I thought I just did........

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Allen in Oz
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 10:56 PM

Three things astonished me:

1 The decision not to play Freddie, even if only as a batsman.

2. The decision to bat, when all Strauss had to do was send Australia in and let them worry about when to declare. A draw would have done the trick

2. The appaling England bowling when thay had only to emulate the Australian policy of bowling a good length at middle and off stump all day ...amazing !

Still, the last day was all good fun and holly hocks


AD 1943...and an Australian who played cricket for 47 years

It is still the paragon of games my friends

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 04:31 PM

I still see the same old problem from umpires. Not giving the benefit of the doubt to batsmen.
Is it that difficult.
Send all umpires to Specsavers.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 05:03 PM

Remember the Australian fast-bowler Geoff "Henry" Lawson, TV? He was also a qualified optometrist, who at least once took the liberty of removing and inspecting an umpire's glasses!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 08:28 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 08:57 AM

...not long now until the one-dayers...but shouldn't the Welsh be an independent cricketing nation?..

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:26 PM

Don't knock this series WAV, we could win this one and win the series! England have a 172 run lead on the first innings!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:58 PM

Yup, another boring uneventful afternoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 04:10 PM

Unfortunately England performed a near miracle this afternoon and then lost three wickets for fifty three runs. I think only England can do things this farcical. England can now bat as slowly as they like. They just have to make sure that Australia are not given over two days with the bat and less than three hundred runs to score. There will be a lot of laughter in Sydney if that happens! All the pressure the Aussies were under must have evaporated when the Australians took three cheap wickets.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 08:35 PM

Bit of laughter in Brisbane, Melbourne, etc. too.

I think the Poms are short a few Jappies.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 09:05 PM

we will see.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: alanabit
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 03:59 AM

Dutch downhill skiing, Norwegian surfers, Jamaican skaters, English cricket...

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 05:06 AM

...I repeat, what about Welsh cricket - from what I can gather, they'd be a pretty handy cricketing nation already?...in case you haven't noticed, the Scots are independent re. cricket.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: goatfell
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 06:29 AM

I just hope the best team win the ashes.

from a scot

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 12:29 PM

...and, from an Englishman, it's certainly not cricket, but Inveraray just beat Kingussie, at Scotland's shinty, in an exciting MacAulay Cup final.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 02:16 PM

England declared too early,they should have let the last pair try and snick 20 more runs.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Allen in Oz
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 01:03 AM

We will be glued to our televisions this evening in Australia. An amazing series really. Bobby Simpson some years ago bemoaned the fact that none of our batsmen could bat for 3 days (he once did for over 300!)   Surely it can't be too hard to bat for 2 days in a Test. We will see...
Allen in OZ

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: alanabit
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:10 AM

The fact is, that if Australia can bat for two days, they will win easily. I think they can afford to score less than three runs an over. It is going to be warm, so they should cruise it. I shall get pretty excited if wickets go before tea time today, but I can't see Australia losing if they have four wickets left at the end of today's play.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: mandotim
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:49 AM

It's always fun to here someone who knows nothing about a subject holding forth. WAV reminds me of the Private Eye 'Sally Jockstrap' column, always confusing sports. Back to WAV's real agenda, racism; WAV, it's true that Scotland and indeed Ireland have ICC playing sides; but I think you'll find that the good Scots and Irish players have usually opted to play for England, the only Test playing nation in these isles. You won't remember most of them, as your interest in cricket seems to be like your interest in folk music; very recent, and massively incomplete. I'll give you Mike Denness and Ed Joyce as starters. See if you can find some more. A cursory flick through Wisden would help. You mean you don't buy Wisden every year? Shame on you, call yourself a cricket fan!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:05 AM

Using "racism" is false and defamatory, Mandotim; what I do want, rather, is to live in an independent republic of England; and, accordingly, would like to see Wales playing AGAINST England, Australia, etc., at cricket - as well as rugby, football, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:22 AM

"Bobby Simpson some years ago bemoaned the fact that none of our batsmen could bat for 3 days (he once did for over 300!)"

Batted for 300 days? That out-Boycotts Boycott! If Oz get to 200, or even 150, without loss, there will be tightening of scrota...

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:59 AM

Bobby Simpson, I believe, learnt classical dance to improve his footwork - perhaps that helped toward his 300 plus.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: alanabit
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 07:25 AM

This looks as if it is going to be a game. Australia are now at 130-2. Their run rate is on target for a win, isn't it? Let's hope England can take a couple of wickets this afternoon. I am going to be very worried if Australia have four wickets standing at the end of the day.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 07:44 AM

alec bedser learned ballrom dancing sometime before Simpson.
Garfield Sobers footwork was better than either,he scored 365 not out on one occasion.as far as I know he did not take dancing lessons.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 09:49 AM

At last a bit of luck! Two run-outs have changed the match position after a good stand for the third wicket. After all the playing and missing, near lbws and misplayed shots (as well as some really good batting) England are strong favourites again. Until the next century stand. Nice to see Freddie getting into the action in his last Test Match, running out Ricky Ponting - champagne moment!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 12:54 PM

the best team won,never mind luck,skill is involved to run people out.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: mandotim
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 01:15 PM

Like I said, racism.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 01:22 PM

Well done England

I haven't commented until now, so that I didn't put the mockers on England

I bet the Aussies are sick as a pig now :-)

You bet our economy will pick up tomorrow :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: alanabit
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 01:52 PM

Well done England. Australia were on over three hundred for five when I went out to pick up the family. I was starting to think that they were going to bat into day five with five wickets up. I came back an hour later and it was all over.
Les, it looks like your faith was justified. I am always very surprised that we can even compete at cricket. So I have a lot of respect for all concerned this time around.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:05 PM

Wa-hey!!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:33 PM

Not long until the far-better-game one-dayers now - when batsman WILL be punished for air-swings with a "Dot Ball" (atop).

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: mandotim
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:53 PM

One dayers; ersatz cricket for people with short attention spans and not much knowledge of the game. 20/20 even more so. Wickets prepared totally in favour of batsmen, bowlers reduced to bowling negatively, artificial fielding restrictions that make a mockery of the subtle, tactical equation of runs, wickets and - crucially - time. Tell me WAV; would you enjoy tennis matches that consisted of a single game to decide the winner? Would you penalise the server a point for missing the first serve? How about football; would five minutes per half be ok? Golf; three holes to decide the Open Champion? All of these are rough equivalents of your assertion that the shorter form of cricket is better. Have you ever been to a Test match (or any professional cricket match, for that matter?)
Well done England, sorry about your countrymen losing WAV; better luck next time.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:10 PM

I'm an English repatriate, Mandotim - actually born here the day Alf Ramsey's English team won the World Cup of football (not to be confused with the World Cup of cricket - decided by LIMITED OVER cricket encounters, of course).

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:39 PM

bad luck WAV,Maybe the Aussies should have had you in their team.Iam sure you could bowl a maiden over,or two.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 06:08 PM

Strange how the Hapless Repatriate accepts that sports can be multi-national, and yet other cultural matters (such as music and dance) must remain confined within strongly Regulated National Boundaries. We are well acquainted with his view of English Football being a Foreign Farce, but what of other countries playing football at all? Have they not got their own sports? Shouldn't Nation States stick to their own Good Indigenous National Sports rather than International ones which no doubt contribute to the loss of indigenous cultural identity by promoting a more cosmopolitan world view? How can he square his fondness for Wimbledon with his love of a Multicultural World wherein National Cultural Identity is being eroded by tennis? And is football more of a Foreign Farce that even WAV would have us believe? Is cricket the legacy of our Imperial Past? Blah blah...

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Allen in Oz
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 06:54 PM

Dear Paul Burke.

All good fun and no doubt written in jest. I watched Boycott bat and , yes, it did seem like 300 days!. It was not so much " batting" as "occupying the crease". I am still surprised that Australia could not bat for 2 days, notwithstanding the state of the pitch.

Still, congratulations to England... a wonderful effort.

AD 1943

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: mandotim
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 03:18 AM

If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, it's a duck. Have a listen to WAV talk and 'sing' on his website. You're an Australian pretending to be English cobber, irrespective of where you were born. No one would mind that, if you didn't persist in trying to tell real English people how to be English!
Allen in Oz; respect to the Aussies too, they played a good, hard series in a fine sporting spirit. They'll be itching to do what they did to England the last time we went to Oz!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 03:27 AM

To Allen in Oz...
You'd be mad to ditch Ponting as captain too. A real Gent who came across as very professional and magnanimous in his post series interviews. And, anyway, who'd replace him?
A thoroughly enjoyable series, with its myriad twists and turns. The test match is the pinnacle of cricket for me...One good or bad session can change the destiny of a whole match. If the Aussies had managed to be still there at close yesterday, the Brits would have been seriously doubting their abilities to win.
G'Day to you mate.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: mandotim
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:30 AM

Still no answer to my question (as usual). Have you ever been to a Test Match WAV? Another question; how come (under your philosophy) the Australians are allowed to play cricket at all? Shouldn't they be playing some game that originates from their 'Own Good Culture', not one that grew up in rural England?
As for revealing you as a racist WAV; that has been exhaustively demonstrated on previous threads to be neither false nor defamatory, but rather an accurate summary of your expressed and published views.
Oh, and by the way WAV; if you were a proper Englishman, you'd be spending the morning nursing a massive hangover and proclaiming Test cricket to be the greatest and most prestigious game in the world, because that's what we Brits do on the rare occasions when we're winning at something.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:35 AM

mind you watching Boycott bat is seriously stimulating when you compare him to Trevor Bailey,
watching a blank television,is about the only thing more boring,Bailey was the master of cricket stonewalling.
Johnny wont hit today Douglas was another,although he was before my time.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:03 AM

S. and Stu: I accept that some sports have become global, and appreciate nations competing, against each other, at them. And, accordingly, I would like Welsh cricketers to compete for Wales, and NOT a combined England plus Wales. I disagree with the British Lions, too, and note that some in rugby circles are also being to question it.

"Oh, and by the way WAV; if you were a proper Englishman, you'd be spending the morning nursing a massive hangover and proclaiming Test cricket to be the greatest and most prestigious game in the world"...that's stupid Stu - I started this thread BEFORE the Ashes series started, and I wrote "Dot Ball" years ago, and I stand by those views. And you would have to be stupid to call me a "racist".

Before I repatriated, at the Sydney Cricket Ground and Adelaide Oval, I've watched both test and one-day cricket. And, since I repatriated...

Poem 115 of 230: SUNDAY CRICKET AND BERRIES - SUMMER 2000

From a bus (ninety-eight -
    Bury to Manchester),
I got off at the gate
    Of Hamilton Road Park,
Where in situ I ate
    Several blackberries
(The taste too good to wait),
    Before making my way
To a further park-gate,
    From where briefly I watched
How Stand's cricketers rate.

From http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)
Or http://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com (e-scroll)
(C) David Franks 2003

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:11 AM

Mandotim, on this occasion, NOT Stu, sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: mandotim
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:38 AM

OOOH, Wav, I'd have to be stupid would I? Does that also apply to all the other people on this board who have argued cogently and intelligently that your repugnant and utterly bogus adopted nationalism constitutes racism by any accepted definition? How many people are you calling stupid? You consistently propound views that would prevent those of different nationalities and races from participating in activities that you yourself would be able to enjoy, purely on the grounds of where they happen to be born. That's racism, and if you subscribe to those views, you are de facto a racist, and calling things 'false and defamatory' doesn't change that one bit. It's not me who's out of step here sunshine, your persona on this board is seen clearly for what it is. Don't get me started on your appalling sexism.
Adelaide Oval eh? What year? Which matches? So you haven't watched any first-class cricket since 2000 then. Not exactly an active cricket supporter, are you? I would have thought you'd be a Durham glory-hunter by now, going to watch them now they're doing well.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 06:11 AM

"Oh, and by the way WAV; if you were a proper Englishman, you'd be spending the morning nursing a massive hangover and proclaiming Test cricket to be the greatest and most prestigious game in the world"...that's stupid Mandotim - I started this thread BEFORE the Ashes series started, and I wrote "Dot Ball" years ago, and I stand by those views. And you would have to be stupid to call me a "racist".

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 06:16 AM

I accept that some sports have become global,

Well that's a start. Try applying the same logic to music.

And you would have to be stupid to call me a "racist".

On the contrary. You would have to be stupid not to call you a racist. Apart from your various posts on this forum, all one has to do is read your published MESSAGES there to see your racism writ large.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: s&r
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 06:19 AM

WAV why do you cut and paste the same drivel on different threads like on this thread and your 'poetry' thread 24 August 5.03 and 5.04 Mudcat time. I thought you had stopped cut/pasting..

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 12:49 PM

Here's what you could have replied following my frank answer to your question, Mandotim: "Okay WAV, so you have had a genuine interest in cricket for sometime, and your 2 arguments on this thread re. Welsh cricketers competing for Wales, and One-day cricket being a better game than test cricket, have nothing to do with racism - I'm sorry."

Subject: RE: BS: Bury 'The Ashes'?
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 12:52 PM

200,leadfingers is not a cricketer,well he wouldny be with aname like that would he.