The Young Un's

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 02:26 AM

Folknacious - there will be a mutiny if you say stuff like that about these lads. It was a bit of a stupid comment like!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: nutty
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 06:43 AM

People new to The Young Un's assume that because they haven't heard of them before, they must be new to folk.

Nothing is further from the truth. Here in the North-East we have watched them learn their craft over many years.

Living just down the road from the The Wilson Family it is easy to see how their particular style developed and, of course, being much younger than the Wilson's (who have either reached or are approaching middle age) their name was a natural description of who they were and who they were following.

Believe me, if the lads wanted to make 'it big' they have all the skills and the contacts they need,

I'm just thankful that we have a new generation coming through who love the genre as much as I do.

Don't forget they are at Saddleworth Festival this weekend.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 11:25 AM

GET THEM BOOKED!!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Alio
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 11:43 AM

I did - we have!

They're appearing here in Saddleworth all day Saturday and Sunday.

Ali x

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,PaulG
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 12:27 PM

Get them on at Shrewsbury and other big festivals - they haven't even recognised them! Spread the word and lets do our bit! Help us out people!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,PaulG
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 12:35 PM

http://www.theyounguns.co.uk

[e-mail]

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 03:19 PM

Oh, boy, are you lot in for a wonderful evening, shortly!

I've just found 14 separate videos of the same gig of the Young Un's!

More shortly when I've loaded them up. These lads are just soooooo darn wonderful!   

Coope Boyes & Simpson, are you 'out there'? The 6 of you together would be absolute magic!

Maybe Lester could have them on Folkwaves?

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 03:38 PM

You know those moments when you find treasure...and then, just when you think that's it, you find 14 more pieces?

Well.....here they are, as promised....


The Young Un's gig at The Nursery Inn, Hartlepool
Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Part 6

Part 7

Part 8

Part 9

Part 10

Part 11

Part 12

Part 13

Part 14

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Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,youngfolkie
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 03:50 PM

The Young'uns were absolutely magical at the weekend at Saddleworth. Awesome - the best by far.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: mn
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 04:42 PM

Young'uns are great. I hope to see them someday in Poland.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Pistachio
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:16 PM

Ditto to all the above. It was amazing in the Civic Hall Saddleworth to see the Young Un's get a encore when they were second on the bill Saturday night. Amazing talent, lovely lads with a sense of humour, fun and timing that's a delight to witness. Go on, find their next gig and go.
H.x

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: stallion
Date: 24 Jul 09 - 03:59 AM

Well, after hearing what i have heard being said by a southern folk club to a not such well known prospective performer in their neck of the woods, but mightily well repected in his own back yard, then it is hardly surprises me that the Young'uns stay up North "where it's vibrant and dynamic". Not every performer puts bums on seats but that shouldn't always be the criteria for selecting an act. Well I shall not rabbit on about inbreeding but introducing something different freshens up the bloodline!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Alio
Date: 24 Jul 09 - 04:20 AM

I first saw them at Dave Howden's 60th birthday party - sorry to give your age away Dave! I thought they were brilliant, and suggested them to the committee at the nest meeting.

As Youngfolkie and Pistachio said, the atmosphere was electric in the Civic Hall in Saddleworth last Saturday. I was MCing, and the sound guy and I had decided that we were going to run a tight ship sound-wise. But if I hadn't given them an encore I think I'd have been lynched!

Can't wait to see them again - hopefully back in Saddleworth next year (along with Hissyfit) - if I can get my own way!

Ali xx

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Alio
Date: 24 Jul 09 - 04:32 AM

PS
Haven't read all these messages in detail, but I don't think anyone has mentioned their new CD? They gave me 1 at the weekend, and as expected, it's brilliant, and really conjures them up. They could have been in my lounge!

It's called Plastic Cod'eads, and was produced late 2008. Presumably it's available via their website. I recommend it.

Ali x

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,youngfolkie
Date: 24 Jul 09 - 07:36 AM

The album Plastic Cod'eads is terrific and it features Sean's finest songs to date like "Sancta Bega" and "Jenny Waits For Me". Available from their online shop - recommended. One of the best folk albums I've heard. Great.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: BB
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 12:14 PM

"Well, after hearing what i have heard being said by a southern folk club to a not such well known prospective performer in their neck of the woods, but mightily well repected in his own back yard, then it is hardly surprises me that the Young'uns stay up North "where it's vibrant and dynamic". Not every performer puts bums on seats but that shouldn't always be the criteria for selecting an act. Well I shall not rabbit on about inbreeding but introducing something different freshens up the bloodline!"

Stallion, do you really think this only happens in Southern folk clubs? If so, wake up! It happens all over, and will continue to happen until organisers are prepared to get out there and listen to new people, and then book on the strength of ability, rather than just a 'big name' or because someone comes cheap, so that their audiences will learn to trust them to always book something good, whether they've heard of them or not. It used to happen, once upon a time, but it seems rarely these days.

Barbara

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 12:52 PM

Re: Lizzie's 'Part 1' above.

How do you go through life believing that the 'Rio' in 'Rio Grande' is pronounced 'rye-oh' rather than 'ree-oh'? This may be nitpicking to some - to me it's about credibility.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,PaulG
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 09:38 AM

All of the most credible sea shanty singers pronounce it in the same way so they are just following the example of peers. So your point is 'picky' and not valid.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: stallion
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 03:11 PM

No BB but a 5 hour trip down South isn't worth it if your only going to sing a couple of songs and the same goes for the trip up North, but I do question that particular persons judgement. As I said I agree that it is nationwide problem but the Young'uns live up North. The exact quote from the southern club was or as near as damit was "I am sick and tired of people who think they can sing sending me cd's and asking for a gig", a simple thanks but we are fully booked would have done, any way for my money they were the stand out stars of the last festival I was at, with refreshingly new material to our ears and scholarship to boot!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,vince
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 01:56 PM

Just bought The Young'Uns 'Plastic Cod'eads' album. Absolutely great, well worth it - recommended to all. 'Jenny waits for me' written by Sean is one of the best songs I've heard for a while. Buy it because it is superb!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 03:23 PM

A friend presented us with a photo of Hissyfit singing with The Youngun's at Saddleworth-I may have it copied into a tattoo .........

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 03:36 PM

"All of the most credible sea shanty singers pronounce it in the same way so they are just following the example of peers."

Yeah, right! Well I've never heard anyone pronounce 'Rio' as 'rye-oh'- until I played that clip. My personal opinion is that anyone who thinks that the Spanish word 'Rio' (meaning 'river') is pronounced 'rye-oh' must be studying for a certificate in advanced wazzockery!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 03:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIG5j7RyP8o

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Vin2
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:54 AM

Rio, Rye-oh, tomato or tomarrrrto, depends p'raps on where you're from, your accent etc. Whilst it's usually written as Rio, I've often heard both pronunciations o'er t'years. Sounds grand to me whichever way.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,old git
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 05:03 AM

Shimrod,
Listen to some Stan Hugill , Johnny Collins, Jim McGean etc etc..and you'll hear it pronounced that way....Stan said he always heard shanty singers pronounce it that way and saw no point in changing it.

geoff t

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: greg stephens
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:24 AM

My recollection is that Stan Hugill said he had heard people pronounce it both ways, but I might be quite wrong. My own impression is that saying Rye-O gives a faint whiff of schoolmasterly snobbishness, a sort of "Hey, I've researched this and I know this is how the old-timers sung it". It may be fine for the aficioados, buit I think Ree-O is more user friendly singing to Joe Public.

But to return to the thread topic, the Young'Uns are terrific. I was so impressed by them on first hearing that I made the very strongest recommendation to Shrewsbury Folk Festival that they should be booked. My advice, alas, is not much valued in folk circles. I fear the group may well become the Old'Uns before the generality of the folk mainstream get round to taking an interest.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Vin2
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 10:09 AM

Well, looking at their gig list on their web pages, i think they're doing pretty well so far both over here and gigs abroad like Germany and on the dates of the Shrewsbury festival (where i shall be) they're in Holland. Not bad for a young crew!

Just had their cd Cod'Eads sent to me from their web so can't wait to play.

Sithee

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: greg stephens
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 10:59 AM

Great if they are doing well. They deserve to.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,youngfolkie
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 11:25 AM

I think we should get behind these lads and make sure people who don't know them, get to know them as soon as possible. Word of mouth is a powerful tool and one listen to their latest album, organisers will be blown away!!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:44 PM

'Ree-oh' vs 'Rye-oh'

"Stan said he always heard shanty singers pronounce it that way and saw no point in changing it."

I can only assume that Mr Hughill's informants must have got that particular shanty from print (otherwise they would have pronounced it 'Ree-oh', as it is pronounced by native Spanish speakers) - which raises some interesting questions!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Banjiman
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 09:38 AM

What do you make of this?


Wendy Arrowsmith & The Young 'uns: Sleep Well

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: greg stephens
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 03:05 PM

GUEST says that people who mis-pronounce Reee-O as Rye-o must have got this from print. English speakers habitually pronounce all sorts of foregn names differently from the natives: eg Paris Munich Florence and Venice. Likewise the French call London Londres, etc etc. Nothing odd about that. You can't deduce anything much about printed v oral sources from this.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: greg stephens
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 03:07 PM

PS: if GUEST is a member of the Young'Uns cannily keeping this thread simmering on: nice one!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 01 Aug 09 - 04:29 AM

Actually, Greg, it was me - forgot to attach my moniker!

The 'ree-oh' vs 'rye-oh' thing just reminded me of Harry Cox. Years ago a collector recorded Harry singing 'Van Diemen's Land'. He noted that in the line where the poachers are sent to 'Warwick Gaol', Harry pronounced 'Warwick' as 'Wore-wick' rather than 'Worrick'. He surmised that Harry must have got the text of the song from print - and it subsequently turned out that he had a drawer full of broadsides, including 'Van D's Land'.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Aug 09 - 02:26 PM

Banjiman,
the song and singing is good,but thats mainly due to Wendy Arrowsmith,the choruses are good too,but in fairness the Young uns contribution is relatively small.Dick Miles

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Alio
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 11:34 AM

But they're getting out there - and they are putting bums on seats. I've a nasty feeling that if they're not booked at Saddleworth again next year, there could be insurrection!
It may sound stupid, but when they sing, there's a certain magic quality about it! Maybe it's their age, the power in their combined voices, their superb harmonies, their funny stories, their obvious close friendship - whatever it is, they're doing it right for me!
Ali x

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Vin2
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 08:35 AM

I'll second that Ali. I reckon tis a combination of all you've said that makes them so ejoyable and their own arrangements/presentation of some great songs note their brilliantly funny 'Yeller Gals' (or Doodle let Me Go'), great stuff!

Must have em back next year or i shall insurrect with the rest of em!

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 09:41 AM

yes,I agree they are very good.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST,Bob
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 11:33 AM

I know your doing your best for these young lads, but its the same dozen or so people each time. I can't see what all the fuss is about myself with this group. But saying that they are part of a new surge of young, some very talented singers and musicians which thankfully are helping to keep this music alive

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 12:24 PM

then we have the not so young uns like the Wilson Family,who[imo] are excellent.
young people do need to be encouraged,but then so do all good performers regardless of their age.
I would like to thank all the people who have kept this music and the folk club/festival circuit alive over the last 35 to 50 years,plus all the people who sing these songs purely for enjoyment.
one of the dangers of professionalism,is that when people HAVE to sing for a living the joy of singing/playing can periodically/occasionaly be replaced by the mechanical .
for example in todays instrumental music technical ability has risen to a very high standard,but I find I often enjoy recordings like Paddy in the Smoke more than some of the more recent Irish recordings ,WHY? should this be,it is becasue the love of playing for the sake of it,shines through
I think it was because those musicians were living and working all through the week,and really looked forward to playing saturday night and sundays,and it shows in their playing.
apologies for the thread drift[which has nothing to do with the Young uns as performers]

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 01:56 PM

"can't see what the fuss is about"

Bob, you are talking rubbish. These lads are talented, modest, enthusiastic and keeping the tradition alive both in the UK and abroad. Thats worth nurturing and 'fussing about' in my book. These lads have a huge following here and in Europe so clearly your in the minority.

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: BB
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 04:45 PM

I could bring in a load of cliches here, but 'meat' and 'poison' comes immediately to mind. Everyone's entitled to their own (wrong) opinion...

Barbara

Subject: RE: The Young Un's
From: Pistachio
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 06:41 PM

Hear them and see them - then make up your own mind.

I first heard the lads at Beverley Beck Festival, May Bank holiday 2008 and was amazed at the sound they produced - exceptional harmonies and such happy lads, not pushing any agenda, simply enjoying the singing and giving their audience a memorable performance. It seems they continue to do so everywhere.
Saddleworth was MAGICAL.

Hazel.