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Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)

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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 04:04 PM

I have a few choice emails from over the years of just what he thought of the Shrub, also.:-) They are on my old PC which I don't fire up very often, but I will do so later this week and see what comes up.

One thing which I enjoyed with SandyGramps, so much, was forwarding emails from my cousin who travels the globe putting in soybean processing plants and other engineering type structures. He always writes great stories of the places he's been, usually obscure places, and includes pix. Sandy really seemed to enjoy them and would write back after each one. It seems a small thing, but he made it seem very important and joyfull, as though it had really made his day. He and Caroline have always made me feel that way over the phone and in writing, too. I know, from reading everyone else's stories, it is one of the very special gifts they both have and boy are we all blessed by it.

Caroline, I'll talk with you in a few weeks...in the meantime: {{{{Caroline}}}}}

luvyakat


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: DougR
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 08:03 PM

Sad news indeed. I knew him by reputation only, but know how much he contributed to the folk music world.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 09:32 PM

An old and dear friend. I could not have known how much I depended on him being there until this tragic news.

Caroline our hearts are with you and we send you all our love and condolences.

Bob and Amba


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 09:57 PM

Neat memorial from Caterwaul Radio by Ed McKeon.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: Padre
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 10:05 PM

Just got my email connection back up, and was devestated by the sad news. Sandy and Caroline were such wonderful hosts to the Boarding party when we recorded the first two albums, and Sandy's editing of the albums was masterful to observe. My prayers are with Caroline and the family at this difficult time.

Rest eternal grant unto him.

Padre


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: GUEST,Guy Wolff
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 10:13 PM

This is still not sinking in after reading this whole thread. I am so glad to hear others speaking of Sandy . He and Caroline have been so kind to me over the years . We live within 20 miles but both working at surviving in the arts we had little time to see each other over many many years . I have thought of the Paton family every day since the river had its way . I had to play music for a life-long nieghbor who left the world and whos memorial was on the same day as the good-by memorial dinner-dance for Kayolin so missed the gathering .
                Tons of love to Caroline if anyone reads these notes to her . She is very much in my thoughts . Her old friend , Guy


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: bbc
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 10:47 PM

She will get the messages eventually, Guy; never fear. In the meantime, I'm talking to her most days & she knows people are writing their love & support. Tonight, she had dinner with her youngest granddaughter. I'll probably see her Thursday.

Barbara


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: maeve
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 10:49 PM

At our Quasimodal Chorus rehearsal tonight, we ended with two beloved songs for two beloved friends; Sandy Paton and Sandy Ives.

First was "Barnet"

Peaceful be the silent slumber,
Peaceful in the grave so low.
Thou no more shall join our number;
Thou no more our songs shall know.
Yet again we hope to meet thee,
When the day of life is fled;
There in heav'n once more to greet thee,
Where no farewell tear is shed.

Lyrics: Epitaph of Azro W., Barnet Center, Vermont Cemetery Tune: Seth Houston, 1993 Meter: 8s, 7s (8,7,8,7)Northern Harmony Tunebook Index
Found here Barnet mp3 file (scroll down 2/3)
and the second was The Farthest Field by friend and sometime chorus member, David Dodson.

There is a land high on a hill
Where I am going- there is a voice that calls to me
The air is sweet, the grasses wave
The wind is blowing - oh, 'way up in the farthest field

REFRAIN:
Oh walk with me and we will see the mystery revealed
When one day we wend our way up to the farthest field

The sun will rise, the sun will set
Across the mountains - and we will live with beauty there
The fragrant flowers the days and hours
Will not be counted- And peaceful songs will fill the air

I know one day I'll leave my home
Here in the valley - and climb up to that field so fair
And when I'm called and counted in
That final tally - I know that I will see you there

Oh my dear friends I truly love
To hear your voices - lifted up in radiant song
Though through the years we all have made
Our separate choices -we've ended here where we belong.

[Refrain doubled at end.]
Farthest Field thread

Then we were silent, thinking of one mighty soul already gone on the great journey, and the other mighty soul, gazing up that farthest hill.
                         **************
I'll post this same note on Sandy Ives' thread, so Caroline Paton and Bobbie Ives both know we love their menfolk, and we love the two strong women who have let us travel with each Sandy through the years and across the miles.

maeve


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: bbc
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 11:36 PM

Maeve,

Thank you for the loving thought & for the beautiful post, to let Caroline & Bobbie know. I will be sure to read it to Caroline!

Barbara


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 12:07 AM

Let's go back a few years...

In the late 1950s I was introduced to things like folksingers. My first serious gal friend hauled me to a nightspot in Chicago--a beat bistro in a basement at Chicago and Dearborn that was called the Gate Of Horn. She wanted to hear something called "an Odetta!" Us kids were let in if we only drank Coke. It seemed strange but trad folksingers were playing these bars. It was mesmerizing and noir and a real adventure, and we were ready for anything that came at us.

Sunday afternoons, in 1959, there were Hootenannies--programmed open stages -- at the "Gate." At the first one of those hoots I went to a fellow named Sandy Paton was participating. Fresh back from the UK, he sang songs he'd taped from Jeannie Robertson, the McPeake Family, Captain Bob Roberts and many others. To say that it was a mind-opener and a mind-blower for me was pretty accurate. Sandy said he had an LP album coming out soon on Elektra -- and I figured I'd be getting one eventually. --- First, though, I graduated high school -- and then went off to work at my uncle's factory in Evansville, Indiana all that summer of '59.

In Indiana, I ordered Sandy's record at Bob Shadd's Record Shop the first week I was in town. --- It arrived eight weeks later on the last day of my summer job!! What a wonder that album was;---the first American recording of "Wild Mountain Thyme" was on it-- "Katy Cruel" -- Long A-Growin'" -- "Byker Hill" "The Overgate" -- "The Foggy Dew" -- many others. Years later, when I told Mr. Paton how much I loved that record, he questioned my taste in music. He hated the way Elektra had forced him to accept Fred Hellerman playing second guitar. The company also cut a verse off of "Wild Mountain Thyme" because, they said, it was too long to get any air play. When I asked Sandy to sign the album 30 years after it came out, he wrote:

Dear Art:

It seems that the sins of one's past
eventually catch up.
No escape for the wicked!

Sandy Paton


No sentiment there, but I'll always love that album---The Many Sides Of Sandy Paton -- Elektra Records--#148 Two fine photos of the thespian sides of Sandy--and one of the folksinger side adorn the cover. I'll send a scan of it to Katlaughing to see if it can be made available here.

After Evansville, I went to the University Of Illinois (Champaign) but wasn't interested. I was only into learning guitar. After that it was the U. of I. at Chicago--then on Navy Pier.--As we sometimes said, it was the only university in the country that could be torpedoed! Our folk club at Navy Pier hosted a concert by Frank Hamilton that year--1960. I'll never forget his simply great versions of the Russian song "Meadowlands" and Pete's "Singin' In The Country"--and a bunch more. --- I lasted at that school until I realized that college was interfering with my education! I left and got a day job at Rose Record Store--"the world's largest" they said, on Wabash Avenue in Chicago.

Be patient, people, Sandy comes back into the tale real soon!!!! I wanted to give those set-up details first.

To continue:

A block and a half North down Wabash Avenue was the great Kroch's And Brentannos Book Store. On my lunch hours I'd wander around the Art Institute a while, and often go to Kroch's to find a book.

One day in 1962 or '63 I wandered in there and, unbelievably, found a new sales department right up in front---ALL FOLK RECORDS. Pete, Woody, Cisco--it was a treasure trove. And behind the counter was a fellow I knew-- from my past, SANDY PATON!!! Somehow, Sandy had sold 'em on the idea of featuring trad and folk---quite a preposterous idea both then and now -- maybe.

Folks, I lost 40 pounds that year because all my lunchhours were spent talking with Sandy. Sandy saw my hunger for experiencing rhe land and the music---finding the "tales with tunes" that the found songs were. Those kinds of songs became my mission. Sandy pretty mush told me the way to credibility as a folksinger might be to get out on the road and meet the ones on the land and see, first hand, how the details and hardships of life, the topography of the land, the historical background, the loves and hates and heartfelt desires of the folks there and then, as well as before, had shaped these songs into the real documents that they become.   

Later on, Sandy would say that he used to tell everyone the same stuff---but that I was the only one who had gone and done it. He wondered if I'd ever forgiven him. From where I sat, though, it all seemed terribly logical. It felt like great advice.

You see, after my mother passed away, Carol and I had a small inheritance. After getting married in 1967, we traveled the first 3 years we were married. We moved, with all our pets and our records, to the Oregon coast and opened our "Folk Art Shop" in Depoe Bay. We loved the coast and the Pacific Northwest---until we ran out of cash and headed back to Chicago where being a folksinger (and not a salmon fisherman or a lumberjack) was, at least, a possibility.

As I said in another post, my father died when I was five. I was sure I had his genes and would depart early -- so we sort of Retired First! Older relatives thought we were irresponsible as all hell, but I just told 'em, "Sandy Paton told me to do it! He gave me permission." ---- Of course, that made it kosher with everyone. ;-) As it turned out, Carol and I are now too ill and out of it to retire meaningfully. We did it right, I've always thought. Tons of good memories.

In Chicago I honed my musical skills a bit---picked my mentors carefully---Pete, Cisco, Paul Durst, Aunt Molly Jackson, Paul Clayton, Bob Gibson, Utah Phillips, Harry Haywire Mack Mcclintock -- and surely Sandy. Sandy became almost a dad to me. The music, the ethics, yes, the politics, the respect and love for the process that mechanized the treasure hunt and the whole gestalt called tradition. I tried to tell Sandy some of that through the years. Why I never told him all of it, I will never know. --- I suspect I always thought there would be time...

Also, in Chicago, all through the 1970s, I did a folk music column for Emily Friedman's grand magazine called Come For To Sing. In several of those I wrote about Sandy Paton---and what he has inspired me. ------ Well, what goes around, comes around. Sandy read some of those columns and began asking around about who this guy was!? Some told him that I was an OK folksinger. Possibly he heard me somewhere too---I don't know. The next thing I DID know was that Sandy wanted me to come and play at the Folk Legacy Folk Festival in Hartford, Connecticut. I was blown away---again, people. I've run out of superlatives to say how much Sandy and Caroline have meant to me. I don't think Sandy had remembered our talks in the Chicago book store. but one thing led to another until, miraculously, Sandy asked me to do a record for Folk Legacy. ---- All I can say is it felt like coming home to be in the great presence of so many people whose music I loved. Gordon, and Ed and Anne and Jonathan Eberhardt, all the folks---Frank Proffitt, Jim Ringer, Edna Ritchie, Sarah Gunning, Arnold Storm, Howie Mitchell, Skip Gorman, Jerry Rasmussen, All the Beech Mountain singers like Lee Monroe Presnell.

I'm tired tonight after trying to write this again after losing it in cyberspace today. Just know that it was better before.

As you people have said, there really are no words to tell Caroline how much she and Sandy have meant in our lives. I've gone on and on here trying to tell you some of it. I see I have left out the late Lee Haggerty who came into Kroch's book store and bought a ton of records from Sandy, and then, sort of funded the beginning of Folk Legacy in Vermont as Sandy's partner. So there. Now I've put Lee here where he belongs.

Time for bed. Love to all---and especially to Caroline, Robin and David. Of course, to Sandy!

Onward, and upward,

Art & Carol Thieme


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 12:49 AM

At last Art.

Write more like that. Everyone knows the history of the Bob Dylans'. Start telling the history of the Sandys' and everybody like him you have known. Add some pictures of Sandy if you can. I never met him until ten years ago. I'd like to have known him when he was younger. Tell me more of that story.

Don


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: balladeer
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:09 AM

I never met Sandy in person, only through letters and e-mails, but I've known him through his good works for all my life.

He had a profoundly positive effect on my dear friend Rick Fielding, and I loved him for that.

Blessings to those near and dear.

Joanne


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: open mike
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 02:18 AM

Thank you Art, for filling in that story...
it makes me feel like i know you all personally!

and since we can connect here on the "Cat, we
all have formed some mighty friendships...

I have one of the recordings you did for folk legacy
and am looking forward to playing it and others on
my show the week after next. I am glad Sandy gave
you permission to "pre-tire" and as was mentioned
before, "something's lost, but something's gained"
as we all piece together what a web we are in and
so much of it was woven by Sandy and others who
reached out to bring folks into the folk fold .


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: Hrothgar
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 03:06 AM

Never met him in the flech, but had the pleasure of several phone conversations and emails.

My condolences to Caroline and the family.

Roger Holmes


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 07:56 AM

Sandy hated that cover as much as he hated the record. There's a drape on one of the heads that doesn't blend in perfectly. I never figured out what he was going on about. Sandy was an incredibly handsome young man but I preferred the old codger in the ever present baseball cap.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: bbc
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 08:04 AM

Oh, Art, thanks so much for going to the trouble to reconstruct your post! Although I think Sandy meant as much to me in quality as to you, our friendship didn't have the same duration. Thanks for giving us a flavor of those earlier times! Don't worry. I've heard Sandy & Caroline speak of you many times. They know your love for them & the feeling is very mutual! I'm glad you did your retirement first & had some good times before the MS moved in. Sandy gave me an interesting piece of advice once, too!

love,

Barbara


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: bbc
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 08:05 AM

P.S. to Art--I've printed your post & will read it to Caroline on Thursday.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: bbc
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 08:26 AM

One more thought, before I, officially, start my day. Now that many of us are past the initial shock of Sandy's passing, I think it would be great if folks will share their memories of Sandy, as some of you have already done. We can do our online memorial now, particularly for those who are too far away to come to the in-person one later.

with love,

Barbara


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: georgeward
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 08:28 AM

Art,

Bless you for giving it another go!

And what Don Meixner said, too.

- George


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 09:26 AM

Been away on holidays -very sad to hear this news.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: CupOfTea
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 09:38 AM

I was stunned to read that Sandy Paton had passed: sorrow piled on grief. It's been too many years since I've been with Sandy & Caroline. Came close a few years ago when Caroline talked me into going to an Oberlin folk weekend/seminar and cheering on Joe Hickerson. At the last minute they were unable to come, so I hung about with Judy and Dennis Cook, and had about as good a time as could be had without the Patons.

When I think of WHY I got involved in folk music, the Patons and Folk Legacy come to mind - the delivery of things of great worth in the music never more evident. I met/heard them first while in grad school in Illinois, and though they lived in CT, there was always this feeling of them being a part of the scene that included Art, and George and Jerry Armstrong.

When I think of Folk Alliance, they're prominent among the memories that come to mind, from that third FA in Chicago when I got to sing WITH them the first time to the watershed Boston FA where Caroline was part of a cartel of us trying to get a tradional singing session going among the river of singersongwhiners (or "omphaloscopists" as Sandy would put it). In our room, with folks gathered from those we (Phil, Margaret, Kate) knew, and the Patons knew, we had a grand time with the beds turned up to make space. A sprightly woman sitting atop the upturned bed proceeded to launch into some long, bloody and gripping ballad. Jaws dropped. I clearly hear Margaret's voice say "who ARE you and why don't we KNOW you?" And that's how we met Judy Cook.

All through the Folk Alliances or festiivals, there were always the "do you know...." and "you should meet/hear/singwith...." suggestions from the Patons. Such joy they passed out in those kinds of connections - and how richly those introductions, by album they'd produced, or in person meeting, filled,colored and changed my life, gave me friends, gave me songs to sing.

Many years ago, when I was rich in hope for Cleveland having the kind of folk life that I knew existed elsewhere, I was fortunate enough to have presented the Patons in a house concert, held at a friend's place. I was close to embarassed at how small the house was (in size and in turn out). Of course the concert was wonderful. MORE wonderful in memory is the rest of the night - when a few of us retreated back to my house with the Patons who were FAR from done singing: a song session went on to wee hours. I know someone HAD to leave about 3 am to drive home, an hour away... while the three of us got to sleep in. Even better, they stayed a couple days with talk over omlettes and stirfry and song. This gift of time singing is one of the things I can think of when I need to list all the times I've been absurdly lucky. Such great good fortune to know these people. Ah, when I think of Sandy's joy in life, and know how it must have been so ravaged by the loss of his grandson - and Caroline's smile. - how it hurts to think that her smile will be dimmed by grief.

So out in the land of "hardly care about traditional folk music" I say there's one soul who is profoundly greatful for the life work of Sandy Paton. My hope for Caroline and the family (by blood and by heart and song) that grief soon take second place to greatfulness to have had this wonderful man for so many years.

Joanne Laessig in Cleveland, Ohio


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 09:56 AM

OK, Barbara. I've told this story before, but maybe not quite in this way. When I was just 10 years old (nearly 40 years ago!!) I had come to the sad conclusion that I could not be a musician, as I had dropped out of the school band, and we did not have a piano. Somehow my childhood experience led me to believe that I needed a big, shiny instrument to be a legitimate musician (years singing beside my mother at the local Episcopal church, as well as stints in the Junior Choir, not withstanding). At that time my grandfather was the Methodist minister in Sharon, CT. During one visit to my grandparents, my grandmother suggested that my mother take me to hear "a nice young couple" who were playing at the Audubon Center.
That night, for all my young years, I truly had an epiphany experience. Hearing Sandy and Caroline's beautiful voices singing simple, engaging folk songs, connecting with the audience, playing guitar (Sandy) and autoharp (Caroline- did she also have a mountain dulcimer? I think so)- I knew without a doubt that I could and would be a musician.
to be continued...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 10:02 AM

...got called away for a minute. Anyway, years later I ran into Sandy and Caroline at a folk festival, re-established contact, told them my story, and remained connected to them from then on. At one festival, Sandy asked me, "Tell me about this 'Mudcat" place you mentioned before...". I don't take credit for his presence here, but I was one of the ones from whom he heard about it!

At another festival he introduced me to someone by saying, "I made her what she is today!"

I started learning guitar the week after that fateful concert at the Audubon. I taught elementary music for 25 years, lead community sings, direct Animaterra Women's Chorus, and in all I do I remember the influence of both Sandy and Caroline. I have many more memories that I'll tell as time and internet access permits!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 10:42 AM

That's wonderful, Allison. Never heard your story before.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 11:08 AM

Yep, Sins, pretty cool story from our Allison (with two L's). I continue to be touched by how many of these stories are out there, from all walks and levels of the folk scene. Could there be a more compelling example than Art's? I know that typing, for our friend Art, is no small task. But it was important to us, so he did it and it is a treasure!!!

Methinks that what a person does in life is certainly important, but the way you are remembered, and by who, is more important. I know that in my life, this man expressed such interest and such caring, that it affected me in a profound way. In our minds we might think that we were very special to him. When I read of all the others that were touched in the very same, very profound way, it makes me realize what a giant he was. I was very special to him, but so were every one of the folks who have shared their own remembrances. Can you imagine the great heart, and the infinite love this man had? It was all centered around music, and his absolutely convicted belief in the importance of a community of friends, of "good people".

I think we are all coming to the realization of how very lucky we are to have had this wonderful man in our lives. To paraphrase something Kendall has said of Folk Legacy many times, when you can say that you were friends with Sandy Paton, well ....... that's saying something.

Can you imagine the reunion with Rick?

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: GUEST,Pete Kraemer
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 12:05 PM

I am stunned. There is little I can add to what has been written here, other than my personal sadness, condolences to the Pattons, to all who knew and loved Sandy, and my grateful thanks for his and Caroline's friendship.

Thank you, Sandy, for a life truly well lived. I will remember you always as a gentleman, a gentle man, and a friend.

Peter Kraemer


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: MikeT
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 12:41 PM

Stunned also, just saw this. Like others, I have loved Folk Legacy, all the records songs and musicians. I can only add my love and prayers to all, and my gratitude to the Patons for lives dedicated to the music I love

Mike


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:34 PM

I first heard of Sandy & Caroline here on the mudcat. So many people here thought so highly of them, and Sandy's posts were so warm and informative, that I jumped at the chance to go hear them when they appeared at a restaurant in my hometown of Branford, CT.   It was a wonderful evening.

Saw the Patons several times at their booth and in workshops at NOMAD and NEFFA, until the end when Sandy no longer was able to sing and then no longer even attend. Caroline carried on beautifully with her glorious singing, but I always missed Sandy's presence.

Here are some photos on flickr with Sandy and Caroline, some of which I took: Patons on Flickr.com

I always thought that I'd see him again.

Here are the words to a song I wrote a few years ago that really say what I'm thinking on this sad occasion.

Goodbye, My Good Old Friend
Barbara Shaw, 8/10/2005

It takes a long, long time
To learn how to walk this row
And when you've got it right, you know
It's time to let it go.

(Chorus)
Goodbye, my good old friend
How I hate to see you go
Your visit was a godsend
I just want you to know.

Some folks get wise with age
And the wisest ones don't mind
The road that lies ahead of them
Or the burdens left behind.

And when the day is done the greatest
Thing you leave behind
Is memory of the time we shared
And your picture in my mind.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: maeve
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:41 PM

To those who are struggling for words- We all fumble for the right words in threads like this and among family and friends. What we can each do is consider our own experiences, and speak or write about what that special person and his/her life have meant. Your experience of Sandy and Folk Legacy is unique, and might just be the recollection that helps another grieving friend heal.

I'm looking for the words too.

maeve


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: greg stephens
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:49 PM

One of the very good guys


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 04:29 PM

This must be so hard for Caroline and her family; to lose Kaelan and Sandy in such a short space.

May I offer my love and sympathy to all. I'll miss Sandy here - I never met him, but I liked reading his contributions. I think that in calling his business "Folk Legacy" Sandy has passed on a priceless inheritance already; Art Thieme's post testifies just how valuable that has been.

I'd love to hear more stories about Sandy's visits to Britain in the 1950's; it strikes me that with Jean Ritchie, Alan Lomax, Ken Goldstein and Sandy Paton there was a strong American influence on the revival of folk music in Britain and Ireland. They all spread the news that traditional music and song still flourished, and encouraged a new generation to learn from such great singers as Jeannie Robertson.

Matthew


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: bradfordian
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 04:44 PM

As has been said many times already in this thread, a gentle man who "touched" so many people with his easy going manner. He exuded such warmth and geniality. We all know the folk world has been immeasurably enriched.
My condolences to his family.

Sleep on beloved, sleep and take thy rest.
Lay down thy head upon thy Saviour's breast.
We love thee well but Jesus loves thee best;
Goodnight, goodnight, goodnight.

Bradfordian


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: JennieG
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 06:43 PM

Sad news....I have just read this thread, I've been away for a couple of weeks. While I have never met Sandy or Caroline they come across as such lovely folks. Condolences to Caroline and the rest of the family.

JennieG


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: Genie
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 06:52 PM

Yes, very sad news. Sorry Sandy was in such poor health for so long before passing on, too.
Like Jennie, I never had the privilege of meeting Sandy or Caroline, but it's clear thier contributions to the folk community, as musicians, folk historians, and just plain menchen, have been tremendous.   Wish I could have met Sandy in person. So glad he's left so rich a trove of recorded music behind.

My condolences to Caroline and the rest of the family.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: M.Ted
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 09:07 PM

I met Sandy only once, and we talked about Uncle Dave Macon, particularly how he'd turned a mishmash of old time songs into recordings, and how important that those recordings had been. It was like I was chatting with an old neighbor, or maybe a favorite uncle.

Much later, it occurred to me that he had a lot in common with Uncle Dave--first, because they were both central, seminal figures in their respective areas of music--known and listened to by everyone that came after. Second, because they took a kind of live music and managed to turn it in to recorded music that stood on it's own.

The fact is, the music industry in general never really knew how to create folk/traditional records that captured the essence of the music, or that reflected the great gifts of the performers. We had to "listen through" a lot--records tended to be either"So and so "Live" at the Whatchamacallit" or "So and So" has a Swinging Hootenanny".

The Folk-Legacy catalog is truly a thing of wonder, because "It's all good". He had a vision of how folk music should sound on vinyl, and knew how to realize that vision. In that way, he was as much of a genius as any of the big name music producers. More so,
even, because they tended to have big budgets and rooms full of equipment, and expensive help. He often had little more than splicing tape and a razor.

There are others here who can talk about how he did what he did, and I hope that they will. I've been listening to, and loving, the music since I was a kid. He tapped into a spring that continues to give us a gift that is fresh, pure, and essential, even now that he is gone.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: GUEST,Ed Brown
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:33 AM

I just this morning learned of Sandy's death. We will all miss Sandy's presence as we go forward in our lives. May we be comforted by the thought that eternity is not about time.
We are still singing and laughing with Sandy at all those points in space and time our memories recall. He is still there with us at the old SMU Eisteddfod and at so many other festivals, concerts, memorial services, and more.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: Big Tim
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 09:00 AM

I never knew him (except via Mudcat) but I believe that I would have liked him.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: JedMarum
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 09:08 AM

Such an impact on the world of folk music. Everywhere I go I hear the story repeated. Sandy's impact and influence was so great and so much appreciated.

ia

Vaya con Dios, our old friend.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: Celtaddict
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:32 PM

I have followed this thread, in sorrow for our loss and in joy for our having had Sandy and Folk-Legacy, and have thought like many others of what a FOLK LEGACY Sandy created. In person, both Sandy and Caroline were both fascinating and gracious, comfortable to be with despite their wonderful knowledge, talents, and accomplishments. Several posts have made me think of this song, which I am going to request tonight:

Only Remembered

Up and away like the dew of the morning,
Soaring from earth to its heavenly home,
Thus would I leave from this world and its toiling:
Only remembered for what I have done.

cho: Only remembered, Only remembered,
Only remembered for what we have done;
Only remembered, Only remembered,
Only remembered for what we have done.

Shall we be missed when others succeed us,
Reaping the fields we in spring time have sown?
Nay, for the sower shall pass from his labor,
Only remembered for what he has done.

Only the truth that in life we have spoken,
Only the seeds that on Earth we have sown,
These shall pass on ward while we are forgotten,
Only remembered for what we have done.

From Randolph's Folksongs of the Ozarks

The seeds, and the truths, from Sandy Paton have been mighty indeed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:41 PM

I never met Sandy Paton, and but for the Mudcat his name would have meant hardly anything to me. But I always read his posts with interest and pleasure, and from them and from other people's reactions I gathered he was someone special. I will miss him as another 'friend I never knew'. My sympathy to his wife, who seems to be a very special person in her own right, and to his family, for two sad losses in such a short time.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: Rex
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:20 PM

Hard times for Mudcat. We can all be grateful for Sandy's dedication to traditional music. It was good to have him here in the Mudcat camp as well.

Rex


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: nager
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:14 PM

My deepest sympathies to the family. I never met Sandy but we emailed from time to time and he sounded like a wonderful man --Paul.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: GUEST,Ed Trickett
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 10:07 PM

Goodbye Sandy, It's been 45 years since you decided to include "The Golden Ring" as part of your Folk Legacy legacy and over 40 years since I met you and Caroline at Bob and Evelyn Beers' wondrous Fox Hollow festival. Over those years I must have spent the equivalent of six months living at Folk Legacy either through recordings or visits. I watched your kids grow up, felt the joy you and Caroline experienced as grandparents, spent hours talking after the typical recording session finished at 2-3 am about matters great and small. We shared parts of our life histories, why songs rather than singers came first, talked about the corrupting influence of capitalism on the folk music revival, and, of course, politics. You forgave my many foibles, I think, and always welcomed me into your house and world. You put up with so many of us during the Five Days Singing period, Caroline was always so gracious as were you about our invading your living space; your kids would come by, check in, and go their ways. In earlier times, Lee would share his presence and his Glenfiddich. I worked with you professionally in so many recordings with so many wonderful musicians; saw how you dealt with us odd bunch of, shall we say, characters who would have tried the patience of a saint; marveled at your working with quite traditional recording equipment to produce the most exquisite recordings of the music you loved, splicing by hand, mixing voices through how you placed us around the microphone, not afterward through technology. What you gave us on Folk Legacy recordings was what we really sounded like at the time, not a "sound" created after the fact through mixing; It was hard, certainly for me, to get it right all the way through. I think you allowed me over 30 takes of "Brave Boys" before it came together. But that was the way you thought the music should be done, and you were right.

But those were some of the earlier memories. More recently, when Dina and I visited you and Caroline in April of this year, you were looking back and lamenting getting older; you told me getting old was not all that great, but your wit, sense of dignity, and ability to tell a story trumped everything else. You told us about your times with Paul Clayton, and that you'd just read the book about his life that Bob Coltman had just written. You were every bit the engaged scholar of the music you dedicated your life to singing and preserving. Dina and I brought you up to date on our family. You weren't sure we'd meet again. We did, but under the worst of circumstances, at the memorial service for your grandson Kaelin. Caroline asked that I sing "Gently down the stream of time", and I wouldn't have had the courage to do that without her asking. But the service was both a very moving remembrance of Kaelin and an affirmation of the affection and appreciation of the musical community you and Caroline forged over the past 50 years. David Jones, Kathy Westra, Jerry Rasmussen, Priscilla Herdman, Sally Rogers, Jerry Epstein, George Ward, Lyn Burnstine, the Dildines, Joanie and Neal, your long time friends Karen and Lee, and many others from years gone by, were all part of that. We had a chance to talk a little then, and I told you how important you had been to me over the years, and you, characteristically, didn't seem to believe me. I didn't have the words, and the setting wasn't just right, to tell you why I feel that way, but I do want others to know now what I wish I had said to you more directly then.

You were always a person of the greatest integrity about your life and your work. You were a person of principle, you knew what you cared about and you knew how to care about it. You were a principled risk taker in the way you approached Folk Legacy recordings. You believed in recording people whose approach to music you believed in. That was primary, breaking even or even making a little was not. The traditional musicians whose music you preserved in the early Folk Legacy years would not have a voice today were it not for you. I think you were pretty sure that Abe Trivett and Marie Hare would not go platinum. Or me either, for that matter. But your faith in what you cared about made these recordings a reality.

You knew how to listen to a song in a way that few others did. You approached recording with an uncanny sense of what the song should sound like, a deep respect for the traditions out of which it came, and a thorough appreciation of how newly crafted songs fit into the ongoing tradition of folk music. There was just something about you that brought out the traditional in us. Most of us you recorded were never full time professional musicians—not a shrewd business move! But of the more full time musicians you did record—Bill Staines, Archie Fisher, Rosalie Sorrels, Jim Ringer, and, of course, Gordon—I think their recording with you represented the best of their work.

You were a scholar without formal education to prove it. You knew your folk music, you read voraciously and never stopped (Your telling me about reading the Coltman book on Paul Clayton shortly after it came out last year was a simply stunning example of your life long engagement in keeping up with your chosen field). The library of ethnomusicology, folk tales, and song books that is your house was, I thought, second only to the Library of Congress; that is, until you told me a couple months ago that Lisa Null may not agree with that assessment. But when it came to folksong, you were like a birddog with a scent; you'd call traditional musicians to ask about a work or phrase on a song they recorded that was incomprehensible to the listener; you'd track down the history of songs many of us more intellectually lazy folks failed to do and write about them in your now-famous notes that used to accompany each Folk Legacy recording. And you were a wonderful writer, who knew the power of words and the value of choosing them carefully.

Perhaps most of all, you were a generous and caring person with your many talents, your time, your friendship, and your willingness to be there when needed. When Dina and I decided to marry almost 20 years ago, we asked if you would, in your Justice of the Peace role, perform the ceremony. We will always remember and be grateful for your officially joining us together. Others have written about your many acts of kindness over the years, and I wanted to add to their memories of you and your family my deep and abiding appreciation for the ways in which your life, and that of Caroline and your kids, has enriched mine and my life with Dina.

The ripples of your life will go on, you know. Last night we were having dinner at a Japanese-Korean restaurant near our house in Chicago. I usually tune out music in restaurants, but I heard something familiar. Over the speakers in the ceiling came a lovely voice singing Wild Mountain Thyme. We just sat there smiling, precious memories flooding our souls.

And so my friend, I'll bid you adieu. I'm a better man for just the knowin' of you.

With love and appreciation always, Ed


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 10:49 PM

Ed,
What a wonderful tribute.
Art


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: lisa null
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 11:12 PM

Wow Ed:

You said it for us all. As for Sandy's collection of "ethnomusicology, folk tales, and song books" -- I cut my teeth on it as a singer and student of folklore. Perhaps there are bigger collections, but when coupled with the tapes, the recordings, the coffee, and the conversation-- I cannot think of any learning environment that came close!

Sandy-- I know it's time to let go, but it feels as if we have only just begun!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: KT
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 11:16 PM

What a beautiful post, Ed, and a wonderful, heartwarming testimony to the goodness of your friend, Sandy.

"And you were a wonderful writer, who knew the power of words and the value of choosing them carefully."

As are you, Ed. Thanks so much for sharing them with us, and in so doing, giving us a little bit more of Sandy.

KT


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 11:55 PM

Ed, I remember when you took me outside at Prince William and sang "Along The Famine Road", and told me you would send it to me. I was so excited that I told Sandy that in my world that was like getting a song from Elvis. Sandy laughed so hard that I thought he might pass out. Still makes me laugh just thinking about his reaction.

Your words captured the essence of the man in a way that no one else could. We are in your debt. Thank you.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: JohnB
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 12:11 AM

I just opened Mudcat to check on the status of Johnny Collins arrangements. I REALLY did not think of seeing something like this.
My sicerest regards to Caroline. I really do think I have to go away now and have ANOTHER drink.
This year is not turning out out be particularly pleasant, too many friends joining that Heavenly Choir.
JohnB.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: GUEST,George Stephens
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 01:17 AM

I've often wondered if Sandy (and Caroline and Lee) ever fully appreciated the profound effect they had (sorry, have) on so many lives by introducing so many of us to this music with the "records edged in black", and being helpful and welcoming to any one, regardless of knowledge or sophistication, who had an interest. I won't say anything as insipid as "folk music saved my life" ('though I'm sore tempted...), but it sure made it worthwhile, and Sandy has to take much of the credit. Surely my proudest singing moments were in Sandy's "Hobo Songs" workshops at NOMAD. Go to sleep, you weary hobo.

George


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sandy Paton (22 January 1929 - 26 July 2009)
From: bbc
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 06:25 AM

Ed, thank you so much! You said many things about Sandy that rang true for me, as, I'm sure, they do for many others who knew him. Your music, (& that of Ann & Gordon) recorded by Folk Legacy, was one of the key factors in starting my Internet romance that has spanned 9 years, so far. I met Patons as a teacher & librarian &, though our tastes were not the same, we shared a love for words & literature that enlivened our conversations. On his last Thursday, true to form, Sandy asked us to pack his current book & the next in line before we left for his doctor's appointment. Like me, he never wanted to be without reading material. Ed, I'm sure that Sandy knew of your regard for him. It's just that, when we're doing something that comes easily to us, we don't tend to see the full merit in it. Sandy had a finely honed musical sense & he was true to it (as you noted), regardless of financial benefit. We've all reaped the benefit of his work & it has enriched us in ways that money can't buy. If you didn't say exactly what you might have wished at Kaelan's memorial, that's ok. There was so much going on, that day, that it wasn't the best setting for communication. You were there & I know the Patons appreciated that. Caroline spoke of it to me. When someone dies, it seems there are always regrets--things we wish we had said, done, asked. I hope this thread gives us a chance, in some sense, to have that communication, to share that love & that grief. I'm glad you were able to visit before the concert in April (That was my folk club.).

best,

Barbara


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