BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:18 PM

You sure that's Rush? Looks more like Doug to me.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:28 PM

Sarah Palin, She Who Was Governor, as they call her in the Anchorage paper, has been in the news with her 'death panels' diatribe. She, however, does not see fit to mention that in 2008 she herself signed such a resolution.

Truths and Untruths

"Former Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) recently claimed that the end-of-live provision in the healthcare reform legislation would create a government "death panel" to decide such issues. But during her term as governor, she signed a resolution that "encouraged hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, continuing care retirement communities, and hospices" to help patients make end-of-life plans.

"In 2008, Palin signed a state resolution proclaiming April 16 as "Heathcare Decisions Day," which was "designed to raise public awareness of the need to plan ahead for healthcare decisions, related to end of life care and medical decision-making whenever patients are unable to speak for themselves."

"The resolution also encouraged people to draft "advance directives to communicate these important healthcare decisions."

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:30 PM

Truth ain't too high up on that lady's agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:37 PM

'Another protester, 12-year-old Micah Vandenboom, was there with her parents.

She held a sign that made clear her opposition to the president's health-care reform plans.

"Under Obama, everyone will get the same health care, that's socialism," she said. "It has failed in other countries, you know, like Europe."'

From a news article on the www. It's cute when a 12-year-old says it, but once ya hit the teen years, people expect a litttttle more, ya know?

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:57 PM

Lady to Barney Franks at health care reform meeting..
"Why is Mr. Obama continuing to make Nazi policies and why do you support his Nazi agenda?"

Barney: "Being Jewish I will answer your question with a question, What planet are you from?
I may as well have a discussion with a dining room table as to try to discuss anything of reason with you."




Well Barney you are basicly facing a hypnotized person who has undergone a minimum of 50 hours of indoctrination via word picture associations and emotional pleas. It would take nearly half the time she spent watching Beck to deprogram her.

This country needs to educate everyone what programing does to people and exactly how this kind of hypnosis works.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 11:02 PM

CNN reports that the "controversial" provision for "end-of-life counseling" was placed in the bill by...wait for it...

Republican Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine (and another Republican whose name I regret I missed).

The provision had nothing to do with "death panels."

Not even the kind that private insurers might be accused of operating right now when they deny coverage for things like cancer.

It provided specifically for physician counselling of terminally ill patients (if they wished it) on the preparation of living wills and similar matters related to the end of life. It had nothing whatsoever to do with deciding who would live or die or when or how.

In the face of protests, the provision has apparently been dropped.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 12:48 AM

Ebbie--fascinating bit on Sarah's history.   Needs to be well publicized.

The "death panels" was nothing more than counseling every 5 years on end-of life issues. Any panel giving life or death decisions is in the fertile imagination of Rush, etc. and the brilliant minds who follow him (and are not called "dittoheads" for nothing.)

I wasn't going to contribute to this discussion at all, since I was a bit discouraged by the likely intellectual level of a thread in which the originator couldn't even be bothered to spell "Hitler" correctly in the title.

Having read it, I see I am still not needed. The wonderfully lucid explication of the position of sense, provided by John P especially, and echoed by some others, is all I could have said.

We are also forever indebted to John P for extracting from the champion of the Right, Doug R, the statement that he's proud to be a dittohead--believes 95% of what Rush says. That in itself is enough to tell us how useful a debate with Doug could ever be--if there were any doubt.   Doug would be a perfect source of comic relief if the subject weren't serious.

At any rate, I'll retire to the shadows, to other threads, or maybe even to something productive in Jan's eyes.

Before I go, I would only point out the spectacular success of the Bush Iraq propaganda campaign.   If the US public (or probably any public) is uneasy and looking for scapegoats, all you have to do for huge numbers is to indicate who to hate and fear.

It's just incredible that the hatemongers have settled on President Obama as the appropriate target. If he wants to handpick every member of every town hall meeting he attends from here on, this would be only prudent. And as for Rush, Sean and the other obscenely highly paid hatemongers (and the sheep who support them), they should stop whining about it.

And please spare us the feeble excuse: "they hate Obama just like liberals hate GWB". How many wars has Obama started with a propaganda campaign to assure support?

As for the 2nd Amendment defenders who feel they need to be armed at a town hall meeting: I wouldn't take any guns from them--aside from the assault weapons. (What they want above all is the excuse to say: "Obama's storm troopers took my weapon".) But I'd get their ID, especially address, and send them home. If they don't want to go home, monitor them closely the whole time they are near the town hall meeting.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 12:52 AM

"death panels" were

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: DougR
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 02:44 PM

Ebbie: End of life planning is nothing new. I don't know when you were last (if ever) admitted to a hospital, but if you are, your receive counseling of a sort from the admittance clerk. I believe, by law, all hospitals must ask such questions regarding Living wills, designation of a person to make health decisions in the event you cannot make them, etc.

Big deal.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 02:55 PM

DougR:

THen how come Sarah Palin saw fit to hugely distort and falsify the scenario, and others of her ilk have blown it up into a bugaboo of monstrous, if totally delusive, proportions?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 02:57 PM

Amos,

For the same reason that some tried to have Bush impeached for lying, and are now ignoring Obama's falshoods.

Political expediency.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 03:05 PM

"Ebbie, I don't know when you were last (if ever) admitted to a hospital, but if you are, your receive counseling of a sort from the admittance clerk. I believe, by law, all hospitals must ask such questions regarding Living wills, designation of a person to make health decisions in the event you cannot make them, etc." DougR

Not so, Doug. When were you last admitted to a hospital?   You fill out a form detailing your method of payment and a contact person. (This is in addition to the form that lists allergies and known health issues. You also sign a release agreeing that you know the risks inherent in the surgery.)

But "counseling"? You jest.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 03:56 PM

Yesterday Obama had a conference call with 1,000 religious leaders in the United States, a unaminous decision to support health care reform as a moral imperative with a goverment option was pledged by all.

FOX NEWS reported that Obama had contacted the leftist religious base of the country regarding health care.

The left religious base?   The oligarchy is willing to re-lable the religious base for the sake of corporations. The religious base may soon see the light.



Methinks there may be hope.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 03:59 PM

The fake links in my posts are obviously a spam/adware bug,
but on whose end?

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:06 PM

Glen Beck has not been on the set of his show all week.
THey have co hosts filling in for him.
Maybe they are trying to appease the sponsors they have lost.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:57 PM

I believe, by law, all hospitals...

Nobody really gives a crap what you believe, Doug (and you DO believe some real whoppers): what can you substantiate with evidence & fact?

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: DougR
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:09 PM

Ebbie: Maybe they do things differently in Alaska. The last time I was admitted to a hospital? March 17, 2009. And yest I was asked if I had arranged for a health power of attorney person, a living will, etc., which I did over five years ago. The time to make these types of arrangements is well before you need a hospital, not when you do.

Amos: The kind of panel Sarah Palin was referring to, is the type described in HB3200 where allowance is made for such a panel of experts appointed by the president and operates similarly, if not exactly the way such a panel works with the NHS. I have forgotten the name of the panel with NHS, but I'm sure Kevin or someone can enlighten us. It goes by initials as I recall. The panel reviews medical decisions and determines whether or not the decisions will be approved and funded.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: DougR
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:11 PM

Greg, ole' buddy, your mother is calling! Better hurry home, there might be milk and cookies!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:39 PM

What, Dougie, what you say is allready a standard procedure in hospitals concerning living wills is now Obama trying to kill off old people??? This is a farce...

But nevermind that... What I have discovered about the right wing is that they love their lies... Yeah, they know they are lies but they are ***their lies*** and therefore should be cherished and tucked into bed every night and...

...don't let the bed bugs bite...

Oh, those cute little lies... Just look at them sound asleep in their beds... Aren't they cute...

Not!!!

They are still lies and they are not cute... They are lies...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:40 PM

Sarah Palin is one sick gal.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: bobad
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:43 PM

"Sarah Palin is one sick gal."

If she was Canadian she would be treated without having to pay.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:58 PM

My Mom's been dead for some years, Doug, almost as long as you've been dodging, weaving, lying and evading on this forum.

Once again: what can you substantiate with evidence & fact?

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: DougR
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 09:28 PM

Gee, I don't know, Greg, what would you like me to? If I did, would you believe it? I don't think so.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 08:11 AM

If I did, would you believe it?

Gee, Doug, I dunno. I've no prior examples to judge by.

If the shock didn't kill me, probably/

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 11:05 AM

Insurance companies are engaged in Corporate Fascism by igniting the hot-headed
response from the Republican "crazies".

Bush was the real dictator.

Republican smear campaigns have been shown to work in the past because Democrats
turned "wonky" and have refused to articulate their beliefs in ways people can understand them.

Smears work for Republicans. Throwing mud is more important than offering
constructive ideas or important American values such as health care for all Americans.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 11:49 AM

BTW, who is Hilter? (Hilter-skilter?)

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: SharonA
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:29 PM

Stringsinger, you beat me to that question. Maybe Hilter=Omaba.

Several of Glenn Beck's sponsors have removed their ads from his program in response to Beck's racism. Sargento, GEICO, Lawyers.com, Progressive Insurance, Procter & Gamble, SC Johnson, CVS, Best Buy, ProConAgra, Wal-Mart, RadioShack, and the pharmaceutical companies Roche and Sanofi-Aventis are the ones I found in a quick GoogleNews search of several articles, and the articles allude that there are more sponsors on the list.

Beck is off the air this week, and some speculate that FOX has suspended him, but apparently he's on a planned vacation, not on a forced one... or is he??? Time will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Alice
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 02:13 PM

I emailed to a couple of advertisers whose products I use to let them know I will stop buying them because of their support of Glenn Beck's program.
One of the advertisers is Brita, and this is the email response I got.

Dear Ms. Flynn,

This is in response to your recent communication regarding a Clorox Company advertisement. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We very much appreciate your feedback and vigilance of broadcast television as The Clorox Company remains committed to quality broadcasting. We pride ourselves in being a responsible advertiser and have established strict standards for the selection of television programming. Per our standards, we do not advertise in programs that display exploitive sex or violence; treat ethnic, religious or political groups in a disparaging manner; present facts inaccurately or distort them to blatantly partisan advantage; and treat individuals or groups in a demeaning manner.

We understand that while Glenn Beck was a guest on the program Fox & Friends on 7/28/09, he made the statements that you wrote to us about. After a thorough investigation by our agency partners, we have confirmed that no Clorox Company advertisement aired in the above program where Glenn Beck made the specific comments you referenced. While we've had limited advertisements on the Glenn Beck Program in the past, the programming content at issue would not adhere to our programming standards and furthermore we will continue to rigorously scrutinize these types of shows for participation.

Today's television programming environment is extremely challenging for responsible advertisers. Our programming selections are proprietary and we are not able to share the details of these externally. However, The Clorox Company will continue to exercise special care in all program and station selection. We do not want to support programming that is in conflict with our programming standards.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact us.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Alice
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 02:26 PM

"Today's television programming environment is extremely challenging for responsible advertisers."

That means it is REALLY HARD to do an ad buy on FOX network without being connected in some way with programs that "present facts inaccurately or distort them to blatantly partisan advantage".

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Lighter
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 03:19 PM

I may have missed something. In what way is Beck a "racist"?

Equating Hitler, Stalin, and Marx with the President of the United States might suggest he's a lunatic, and insisting that the Day of Apocalypse is coming very, very soon, and that the two ideas are actually connected, might suggest he's an alarmist....

But a racist? What did I miss?

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Alice
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 04:04 PM

I've listened to Glenn Beck's radio program as far back as 5 years ago. He has often referred to his conversion to Mormonism and although not all Mormons are racist, Beck's point of view about non-whites and multiculturalsim over the years I've heard his program has certainly reflected the point of view of the LDS founder "Brigham Young, the late Mormon leader who insisted his words were as good as scripture, derided blacks as "uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild and seemingly deprived of ... intelligence." Beck definitely conveys the message of white superiority.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 07:29 PM

Please folks, you should not automatically dismiss the experiences and information that Doug R knows is true.

People like Sarah Palin and people who like Sarah Palin know what is true for them. They are people who feel threatened by progressives who seem to be more glib and intelligent. Getting and keeping power for folks like themselves IS A SCARY uphill battle.

When they lose jobs, homes and opportunities while seeing financiers who defrauded the country yet get bailed out along with 100 million dollar bonus' for their family, they GET PISSED and worried about what is happening to them and the country.


When they are told that (the old Reagan saw) "Big Govermnment is taking over the country" they naturally believe it.

BIG OBAMA GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN OVER:

The Banks
The Auto Companies
The Medical Industry
The right to life for fetus' and grandma
The Medicare Industry
The US MIlitary
The IRS
The Schools
The Church
The right to Pray
The Federal Reserve
The right to drill for OIL
The NSA Obama enemies list
The Weather
Their Guns and Ammo
The lives of all God Fearing believers by burying them in
National Deficit debt for generations... etc.

THESE POOR FOLKS BELIEVE SOME or ALL of this partly because, as silly as it sounds, it is all partly true when twisted and limited thinking is applied.

Civil war secession sounds good to them when they are promised pie in the sky freedom, prosperity and God's law for their own State without Federal Taxes.

In the absence of a willingness to be educated, people will follow the message that makes them feel GOOD or ANGRY or both.
Outrage, sadness, envy and every other powerful emotion is easier to embrace than hard study of facts and actual systems of corporate and goverment interaction.

It depresses me how gullible and easily led these people are when deluded by a guy who says he speaks for God or a Corporate Lobbying Group dressed in sheeps clothing.

Tell them the exact opposite of the motives of the people leading them by the nose and they buy it all, until they find themselves morally and monitarily broke.

Most Christian Evangelists do not know their cult bracnh of Christianity began in 1870 England. Most people in the US do not know that Corporate law making the company a Human Being with exceptional rights in the law was not an act by the founding fathers.

Educating oneself is a lonely process compared to the feel good Amen Choir or a Sarah Palin speech about Real Americans like themselves.
It feels good for an outsider to feel like an insider for a change.

The human condition is such that we all feel like outsiders since we have both solitary and herd behaviors in our tribal society evolution.

SO Barney, that is the planet they live on, its our planet. So don't be mean. The best thing you can do is let them feel happy about learning somthing so that they can start adding to that something until they actually know who Hitler was and what fascism did and that Skin heads and Corporations are the fascists of today.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 11:28 PM

"...corporations are the fascists of today".   Let's do everybody a favor and stop throwing the term "fascist" around so loosely.   It's a sure way to devalue it. And it really does mean something-- and it's not about corporations, except in a overheated imagination.

I do appreciate your bringing up the thread topic, Donuel, however, and your point about the method of propaganda in your first post is spot on--and harrowing.

However, I think we've moved on a bit now.

What we need now is for Alice to list all the corporations--if she has them--who sponsor Glenn Beck, so that we all can do what she has, and threaten to stop patronizing those who don't drop that sponsorship.

If all Mudcatters who are against Beck's hate-mongering put pressure on those sponsors--and talk to friends and neighbors about doing the same-- it will help.

There is already a list of about 20 who have dropped Beck--including even Walmart.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Alice
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 11:40 PM

There is a Facebook group to boycott Glenn Beck sponsors.

Facebook - Glenn Beck Boycott

The list of advertisers is at the Facebook page. It's too long to post here.

----Success influencing the advertisers listed below:

Companies who have STOPPED advertising on Glenn Beck, or who have pledged not to in the future:

VERIZON WIRELESS

FARMERS INSURANCE

WAL-MART

CVS CAREMARK

BEST BUY

TRAVELOCITY

ALLERGAN(makers of Restasis)

BROADVIEW SECURITY

RE-BATH

GEICO

LAWYERS.COM (LexisNexis)

PROCTOR & GAMBLE(this one is huge)

PROGRESSIVE INSURANCE

SC JOHNSON(never saw them on a list until now)

SARGENTO CHEESE

MEN'S WEARHOUSE

STATE FARM INSURANCE

ROCHE

CONAGRA FOODS(makers of Healthy Choice)

RADIO SHACK(they were 'tagged' at end of Magic Jack spots as a licensed retailer)

SANOFI-AVENTIS(pharmaceuticals)

ALLY BANK(GMAC FINANCIAL SERVICES)

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 12:02 PM

Nothing like a clueless, nameless, cynical contributor to tell us the truth, I always say.   When you become a member, perhaps you'll be worth listening to.   Sadly, not now.





On the other hand--- thanks, Alice for that link. I hope a lot of Mudcatters act on it. I sure will. The link may even be important enough in itself to deserve its own thread--since, as you and I have pointed out, pressure on sponsors does in fact work.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 12:08 PM

Thanks, Alice, for that link. I hope a lot of Mudcatters act on it. I sure will.   Just that link in itself makes this whole thread worthwhile.   Maybe the link is so important that it deserves its own thread. Since, as you and I have noted, pressure on sponsors does in fact work.

And now my response to the cynical nameless one can be deleted, along with the "message" of the nameless one itself--without any harm to comprehension of anybody coming along later.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: DougR
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 10:28 PM

Yep. I'll bet all of those corporations go out of business because Mudcatters refused to do business with them.

Actually, I think the letter Alice received is anything but one of a committal not to advertise on the Glenn Beck show. The letter writer must be a Democrat because he/she certainly knows how to put a spin on things.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Alice
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 10:45 PM

From Politico - advertisers who have responded to the boycott

"Now, Farmers Insurance can be added to that list, a Farmers spokesperson confirms to POLITICO.

"We advertise on Fox News Channel, which places our ads in the Network programming, and we ceased placing on Glenn Beck a week ago," said the spokesperson."

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 11:30 PM

lol Don't you ever embarrass yourself, DougR?

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: DougR
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 01:30 AM

Not that I can remember, Ebbie.

Folks that feel like boycotting, should do so of course. It's their right. I will be very surprised, however, if Glenn Beck is banned from television because some folks don't agree with what he did (whatever that was).

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 09:55 AM

Racism is the reason that Obama is being vilified, pure and simple. There is a lot of resentment among bigoted white people that he was elected and they use any excuse
to exercise this. They offer all kinds of rationales for their actions.

Proof? There is nothing about these demonstrations that have anything to do with health care. It's trumped up.

Everyone wants coverage. It's an American Plan that's needed.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 12:30 PM

if Glenn Beck is banned from television because some folks don't agree with what he did (whatever that was).

"Whatever that was." Right on top of things as usual, aintcha, Douggie?

Of course lying probably wouldn't be recognized as a fault - or even recognized at all - by a regular practitioner, I suppose.-

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 11:43 AM

Granted calling all Corporations fascist is a weak hyperbole and is without a context that adds clarity.

People should learn of the literal worship of fascism among certain Republican circles, but it may be more than you want to learn.

Fascism is in fact alive and well today in certain American political circles going back 70 years.

In the 6 year researched book 'The Family' aka The Christian Mafia,
you will learn how under the guise of a reworked Christian ideology that over the last 70 years a Congressional group has held fascist principles dear as the means of acquiring and keeping power.
In fact the heros of this Republican Congressional movement are NOT limited to practitioners of fascism like Hitler but extreme despotes like Stalin Pol Pot or any other dictator who concentrated power in the most extreme ways.
While a Christian Prayer Breakfast of select Congressmen living together on C Street in Washington DC seems inocuous enough, this C Street collection of Congressmen have an agenda that believe that Jesus had special messages for them alone as powerful men and the bible was for the rest of the unwashed masses.

One can historicly track the advances of Corporate Fascism in this country to the true founding fathers of our military Congressional Industrial complex to the Congressmen who were proud to call themselves the 'Family'. They were secretive to the extreme.

Due to the Author of the book 'The Family' and the idiotic sexual behavior of 3 Rep. Congressmen who belong to the family and live at the C Street enclave, the relative secrecy and descretion of their organization is now in jeopardy.

The jig is up and the C street gang is now calling progressives the real fascists as a protectionist to deflect public opinion that could disgrace them and their "special thing".

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 12:45 PM

Ron Davies said something that struck me.

"And please spare us the feeble excuse: "they hate Obama just like liberals hate GWB". How many wars has Obama started with a propaganda campaign to assure support?"


To be fair I have to admit that Obama has continued 2 wars with all the prior interrogation techniques, logistic support and private contractor mercenary corporations that Bush Cheney employed. Yes a promise to close Gitmo has been amde but little else has changed.

Is he waiting on Holder indictments? Is he going to make a change if after a full year passes and no benefit is found? Is it that the new MIC war boss is the same as the old MIC war boss?

What has changed for the troops however is huge. Both pay and Veteran benefits have been increased in a way in which no prior Republican administration has ever provided. Even a new GI bill is introduced.
Some may find this as incredulous as John McCain voting against increasing Veteran benefits 9 times to 1. I know Republicans who still refuse to believe McCains horrendous voting record on Veterans.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 12:47 PM

damn these fake links still appear which makes me think the mudcat forum is infected with an advanced adware spam program.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 07:17 PM

Good work America,

While Glen Beck is back he made no mention of Hitler or Obama being a racist today.

He is limiting his diatribe with phoney experts in front of a blackboard or electronic deficit tree and sending the fear of god into every red blooded American patriot regarding...
the Debt crisis.
I remember Cheney saying deficits don't matter...oh well

The Obama - Hitler comparisons are still going full tilt at town hall meetings. They will be able to water that seed for years.





Too bad the Corporate think tanks never mentioned the debt crisis or all the corrupt American Financiers who took such a large amount of the US treasury and ripped off the world with worthless derivitives, that would pay for total USA health care for the next 20 years.
and the true Iraq war costs would... oh never mind, Its all blood and dollars over the dam. Being angry or whiney won't help anyone.

its my own fault for not having the patience to personally educate "the base" as to who was actually leading them by the nose into the slaughter and poor house. The think tanks and Billy Graham did a better job than me.

We still have great documentarians. 'Why We Fight, 'Sick Corporations' "Sicko" et al



Methinks AIG owes us free life insurance at the minimum. :>(

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Amos
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 07:21 PM

Great idea, Donuel!!

I wonder how much they could afford to pay off, as the Boomer generation approaches the gray zone between 60 and 90?



A

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 05:49 PM

Donuel, I think they intend to water it with blood. It is really scary.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:13 PM

*************************************************

Oh say can you see, Gl-en Beck on TV
What so proudly he hiels, for the right wing that's steaming
Whose broad pants and bright eyes, sell gross lies that's so sleazy.
O'er the FOX networks we watched, was so far right wing leaning
And the hatred's red glare, the bums bursting hot air
Gave proof from hired hacks, that they're all so damn fair.
Oh say does that Glen Beck fan or terrorist still rave
O're the air his hatred screams and he's scared of the brave














You know Glen? ...this is supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave but you are preaching so damn much fear and hate in order to motivate people to do violence against their own best interests and for your corporate bosses that you and yours are not brave, you are cowards. You are scared. You are scared of the people in this country believing they are this country...
The people know the machines are here to serve the people NOT the other way around like you and your boss wants. Nothing you say or support does a anything to reign in the free for all bankers who ravaged this country. You want all the things that will keep the bankers in charge. Progressives are the white blood cells inthis country and the unregulated banks are the infection.

You want this infection to grow.

Well buddy this land was founded on the principle that the people shall form a more perfect union. You are so insecure that you attempt to incite violence in the name of God or fighting Hitler or that the President is a racist, not you. Your brand of false patriotism dishonors the troops you want to send to more and more proxy wars.
You don't do a damn thing in the name of GOD, you do what you do in name of your lobbying group and Wall Street think tanks who got us into these perilous nights.

You are the coward that incites fights.


then runs to your gated community.

Subject: RE: BS: The Hilter=Obama campaign
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 06:35 PM

200, I thank you!