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British Library sound archive

Newport Boy 04 Sep 09 - 07:32 AM
Matthew Edwards 04 Sep 09 - 08:16 AM
GUEST 04 Sep 09 - 10:56 AM
Alan Day 04 Sep 09 - 12:36 PM
Peter K (Fionn) 04 Sep 09 - 12:56 PM
Acme 05 Sep 09 - 03:13 PM
Surreysinger 05 Sep 09 - 07:57 PM
Surreysinger 05 Sep 09 - 08:02 PM
Acme 06 Sep 09 - 12:29 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 06 Sep 09 - 08:49 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Sep 09 - 04:01 PM
GUEST,You Can Call Me Al 06 Sep 09 - 04:21 PM
FreddyHeadey 10 Nov 17 - 06:04 AM
FreddyHeadey 10 Nov 17 - 06:12 AM
FreddyHeadey 10 Nov 17 - 06:20 AM
GUEST,CJB 12 Nov 17 - 10:08 AM
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Subject: British Library sound archive
From: Newport Boy
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 07:32 AM

Report in today's Guardian. It includes a few fascinating sound clips.

Identifying them would make a good competition.

Phil


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 08:16 AM

Congratulations to the British Library and Janet Topp-Fargion for making these Archival Sound Recordings available; there is still a lot more to come, I hope, but this is a great start. I'm really impressed by the attitude of the British Libary here - it seems that they genuinely want to share the contents of their archives online where copyright permits. Its a pity that you have to be a member of a UK higher or further education institute to be able to download content, but there is still a lot which is freely available, such as some of the amazing Decca Yellow label recordings from West Africa.

Matthew Edwards


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 10:56 AM

It's gratifying, I suppose, that the British Library is as fallible as ourselves and unfortunate that they don't allow us to communicate their errors as Matthew Edwards writes above, unless we belong to a "Licensed UK higher or further education institution".
I looked up "The Outlandish Knight" where you can listen to a John Howson recording of it by Vic Legg, a fragment from Yorkshire recorded by Steve Gardham (a contributor here) and Fred Jordan's version recorded by several collectors.
There's also a version from: "The Reg Hall Archive - Performers: (unidentified, fenale)"
It's Fred Jordan again, and someone less female than Fred I can't think!
Of course, they may have matched the wrong recording with the right information.
Still a veritable treasure though.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Alan Day
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 12:36 PM

Graham Bradshaw and I met Janet when we were researching Anglo International, She was a great help, the Zulu Squash Box recordings were all sourced before we arrived (all pre arranged) and we sat in a little cubicle listening to all the recordings. The Cubicles in front and behind us were students investigating particular Jazz Musicians. They have a copy of both Anglo and English International as part of Graham's policy towards this organisation.
Only pencils are allowed in the building all other belongings are put in cubicles.They sell pencils, but it is cheaper to take your own.
Al


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 12:56 PM

Every penny counts, Al! But to be more precise, pens may be used around the building, in the cafes, work areas etc, but not in the reading rooms. Don't bother putting your pen in a locker if that is your only reason for using a locker - just take it into the reading room with you. You won't be strip searched.


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Acme
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:13 PM

This is a wonderful site! Not all of the recordings are being allowed to cross the pond, I tried a couple where I thought that might be the case. It didn't say 'you can't listen to this' it just didn't give me a bar to click on to listen. There were abstracts, though.

Thanks!

SRS


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Surreysinger
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 07:57 PM

Pencils only for making notes would seem to be normal archival practice, as is the leaving outside research rooms of bags etc (which makes sense ... otherwise I'm sure things would go walkies only too easily)


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Surreysinger
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 08:02 PM

I have to admit that ,yes, it's great, but on the other hand it seems that nearly everything I would like to listen to (based on a couple of dozen searches) is part of a collection that you have to be a member of a higher education institute or library etc to access at all (let alone download).So perhaps not as immediately accessible in all areas as the newspaper articles would suggest. (Still good news, though)


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Acme
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 12:29 AM

Pencils only (and laptops) are allowed in the Special Collections in the university where I work. They had a drawer where people stashed personal bags and anything like pens (no, people aren't strip searched, but they are expected to leave all pens in the drawer). They were given the key. Now we have some lockers for personal items, same arrangement. No one pays to use them.

SRS


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 08:49 AM

"it seems that nearly everything I would like to listen to (based on a couple of dozen searches) is part of a collection that you have to be a member of a higher education institute or library etc to access"

This seems a shame, as folk song doesn't appear to be an area of great interest to academia.

Yet there are serious researchers who do their work, independently of formal academic bodies.


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 04:01 PM

When we deposited our collection with The National Sound Archive, then in Exhibition Road, it was open to all comers.
I didn't realise it had changed since it moved to The British Library (if it has)
Does this mean the 'Bright Golden Store) collection is not generally accessible?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: GUEST,You Can Call Me Al
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 04:21 PM

It would be good to remember the collections will likely open up to wider audiences over time. I think they wanted to make a Big Statement (hence the Guardian article touting it), to let people know the progress they are making getting the archives online.

This is a HUGE task, btw. It could be they wanted to test it in academia before opening it up.

But what a fantastic job!


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 06:04 AM

The current link is
http://sounds.bl.uk/World-and-traditional-music

For the UK collections go to > Europe

currently
Bob & Jacqueline Patten English Folk Music Collection
Bob Davenport English Folk Music Collection
Carole Pegg English & Scottish Folk Music Collection
Desmond & Shelagh Herring English Folk Music Collection
John Howson English, Irish & Scottish Folk Music Collection
Keith Summers English Folk Music Collection
Nick & Mally Dow English Folk Music Collection
Reg Hall English, Irish & Scottish Folk Music & Customs Collection
Roy Palmer English Folk Music Collection
Steve Gardham English Folk Music Collection
Terry Yarnell English & Irish Folk Music Collection
Peter Kennedy Collection


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 06:12 AM

for updates on the Gwilym Davies collection :

/mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=162722


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 06:20 AM

also worth checking
http://sounds.bl.uk/World-and-traditional-music/Ethnographic-wax-cylinders
which is divided into countries.


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 10:08 AM

The Peter Kennedy Collection was obtained from the Ralph Vaugh Williams Library I understand from this page:

http://www.mustrad.org.uk/enth53.htm

18. The recent [2006?] publication by Rounder of parts of the Alan Lomax Collection and the British Library?s online database make it abundantly (and provably) clear that many recordings he has claimed as his are actually Lomax Foundation or BBC recordings.

25. On the day after his dismissal from his EFDSS post, all his recordings, plus a good deal else, were found to have been stolen from the Sound Library at Cecil Sharp House. Yet they now form part of the Peter Kennedy collection, kept in his house in Gloucester, they feature in the Folktrax catalogue - and likely to be offered for sale now that he has died.

27. Many people have felt unwilling to criticise Kennedy, or to expose his illegal Folktrax publications, on the (pragmatic) grounds that he has actually made the recordings available. They are no longer available from the EFDSS (having been ?stolen?), and much of the BBC material has been lost to technical incompetence and unconcern. Even if this were not the case, BBC licensing charges would put them well outside the reach of most commercial folk record labels. True, the NSA at the British Library has copies - but their copying charges are at professional rates, and their licensing fees for commercial releases are pretty expensive.


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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 10:14 AM

Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 08:49 AM

"it seems that nearly everything I would like to listen to (based on a couple of dozen searches) is part of a collection that you have to be a member of a higher education institute or library etc to access"

This seems a shame, as folk song doesn't appear to be an area of great interest to academia.

Yet there are serious researchers who do their work, independently of formal academic bodies.

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Yes - this is the kind of arrogant attitude I HATE and the British Sound Library is one of the worst. I'm surprised they dont charge for accessing their catalogue. Just because I am retired and not part of academia anymore I am FORBIDDEN to access the recordings I would like to hear. They can go fund themselves because I wont be leaving them anything in my will.

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Subject: RE: British Library sound archive
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 10:42 AM

"Peter Kennedy"
This should have been dealt with at the time and, it would have ben if Kennedy's father hadn't had friends in high places
I know that Topic were planning to re-issue the Folksongs of Britain series with full versions rather than the edited originals, but couldn't afford the prices Kennedy was asking
Karl Dallas planned a themed set of ten books of folksongs, but abandoned them after volume two because of similar demands.
We are still living with the damage
Jim Carroll


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