history of outcries

Subject: history of outcries
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 10:53 AM

in O Neills music of ireland,
There are several outcries,the Connaught ,the Munster etc,anyone know any history of these tunes,were they played for special occasions.

Subject: RE: history of outcries
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 11:24 AM

O'Neill 'borrowed' his outcries from Joseph Walker's "Historical Memoirs of the Irish Bards" (1786)

Which can be found here

They're keens of a kind.

Subject: RE: history of outcries
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 01:16 PM

have you any idea how slowly they are supposed to be played.

Subject: RE: history of outcries
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 01:41 PM

The Laments Mici 'Cumba' O' Suileabhean played in Gol na mBan san Ár are thought to be similar pieces. Which could give an indication how to approach pieces like that.

Subject: RE: history of outcries
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 01:50 PM

Wow. That's amazing.

There's a phrase in there that reminds me of the ground from the pibroch "The Lament for the Union". Might be worth looking at Allan Macdonald's "Dastirum" to see if it throws any light on the Irish genre.

Subject: RE: history of outcries
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 02:45 PM

FWIW Mici 'Cumba''s piece is descriptive piece dealing with the death of Alasdair MacColla during the Battle of Knocknanuss the