BS: History of US radical religious right

Subject: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 07:52 AM

In this video, Max Blumenthal gives a talk about his book, Republican Gomorrah, which gives the history of the radical religious right in the US...

http://fora.tv/2009/09/29/Republican_Gomorrah_Max_Blumenthal#fullprogram

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 09:37 AM

Yes, just another example of why it's so important to stamp out the scourge of religion.
      The Republican Party has been taken over by radical Christians:
      The Democratic Party has been taken over by the Jews:

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 10:10 AM

I don't think I would say, "the Jews" in the above context. Jews are also well represented in the Republican party, and especially the neocon wing of the Republican party. It might be more accurate to say that the Republican party has been taken over by radicals of at least two religions (or religious backgrounds), and the Democratic party has been taken over by PEPs (PEP = Progressive Except Palestine - from many religious backgrounds or no religious background).

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 10:38 AM

What are these little underlined words that keep popping up in the posts, and how can they be kept out. If you click on "stamp" in my post it takes you to an ad for a video game, and if you click on "progressive" in Carol's post, it takes you to an ad for an insurance company. It's very annoying.

             Back to your point, Carol, there are Christians in the Democratic party too, but they break down roughly as I've stated. Obama's handlers are Jews. Ask Reverend Wright, he knows all about it.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 10:43 AM

I'm not seeing the underlined words. But I'm using Firefox and I've got the Adblock Plus add-on, so maybe that blocks them out. My guess is they're a part of an effort to make the Mudcat self-supporting.

Ok, next time I see the good Reverend, I'll ask him.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 10:50 AM

Carol - I hadn't thought of that. I thought the site was being invaded by outside elements, but you could be right.

                In any event, the last time I saw Rev. Wright in the news he was complaining about the Jews not letting him in to see the president.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 11:40 AM

Carol, thanks for keeping the distinction clear (that RRR is not all-Christians).

Lotta babies in this dirty ole bathwater. Good idea to see clearly no matter how muddy the wash water gets.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 12:08 PM

The word, "Christian" doesn't appear at all in my opening post or in the title of the thread.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 12:51 PM

Although I don't support Rev. Wright's religion, I see his point of view and I think it has
merit. America has behaved damnably in many situations and is doing so now supporting
Karzai, Micheletti, and historically has other disreputable leaders and dictators.

I am glad that the we've turned over the rock on the C Street Family Religious Mafia
of Doug Coe and fascist Vereide.

The religious right is principally a political organization. One could argue that religion is a form of politics.

The problem as I see it is that the religious right is being enabled by well-meaning Christians who don't see their role in the advocation of religious doctrine.

This should always be a private matter and not in the public sphere. Those who attempt to impose their religious values on anyone are part of the problem.

I would make an exception on the part of the Quakers (American Friends Service Committee) because they are the banner carriers for outlawing the insanity of war.
I wouldn't classify this exclusively as a religious value because not being religious myself I consider it to be a universal application to the survival of mankind.

If he were alive, Darwin would have something to say about this.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 03:00 PM

I'm a little worried by what might be perceived as antisemitism above.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 03:59 PM

I tried to head it off at the pass. Maybe doesn't look like I was very successful, though.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Peace
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 04:07 PM

Senate


Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.)
Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)
Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.)
Carl Levin (D-Mich.)
Norm Coleman (R-Minn.)
Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.)
Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)
Ron Wyden (D-Ore.)
Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)
Russell Feingold (D-Wisc.)
Herb Kohl (D-Wisc.)


House of Representatives


Howard Berman (D-Calif.)
Susan Davis (D-Calif.)
Bob Filner (D-Calif.)
Jane Harman (D-Calif.)
Tom Lantos (D-Calif.)
Adam Schiff (D-Calif.)
Brad Sherman (D-Calif.)
Howard Waxman (D-Calif.)
Peter Deutsch (D-Fla.)
Robert Wexler (D-Fla.)
Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.)
Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.)
Ben Cardin (D-Md.)
Barney Frank (D-Mass.)
Sander Levin (D-Mich.)
Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.)
Steve Rothman (D-N.J.)
Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.)
Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.)
Steve Israel (D-N.Y.)
Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.)
Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.)
Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.)
Martin Frost (D-Texas)
Eric Cantor (R-Va.)
Bernard Sanders (Ind-Vt.)

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 04:10 PM

It should be noted that a lot of people who are PIPs (Progressive Including Palestine) and who are Jewish, wouldn't necessarily disagree with assertion that Obama's handlers are Jewish, so that one's a bit difficult to call. But any time someone uses the term, "the Jews" in reference to any behavior, that's incorrect and certainly can appear anti-Semitic. The Jews are no more a monolithic entity than are Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Peace
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 04:18 PM

There is an excellent article in Wikipedia.

(I didn't read it all, but the parts I did are well-written and well researched, imo. Might be a useful place to start.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Peace
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 04:21 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: SharonA
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 08:34 PM

Peace, Joe Lieberman doesn't have a dyed-in-the-wool "D" in front of that hyphen anymore. He is officially listed in Senate records for the 110th Congress and the 111th (current) Congress as an "Independent Democrat" and, as you may recall, he endorsed McCain for President in 2008.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 08:51 PM

Also, a list of House and Senate members doesn't provide an accurate picture of who all of the prominent members of the Democratic and Republican parties are. A lot of them are commentators and members of the press, members of think tanks, the former members of the cabinets of various former presidents, current and former governors and mayors, party apparatchiks, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Peace
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 11:45 PM

SharonA: Thanks re Lieberman.

Carol: True. But my post was in address to the notion that Jews control the US government. I don't think any group other than Neocons control US policies. Or did until Obama came along.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 11:50 PM

I don't see anyone saying that Jews control the US government in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 11:51 PM

But anyway, I just started the thread so people could see that video I posted if they wanted to.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 12:14 AM

I wish religion would just fade away ... arguing about whether the Jews are democrats, or republicans or just downright communists or which radical religeous movement actually is in charge of the country or the whole damned world is just another part of the religious problem.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Peace
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 12:24 AM

The list was in response to this: "In any event, the last time I saw Rev. Wright in the news he was complaining about the Jews not letting him in to see the president."

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 12:34 AM

Ironically, the content in the video in the opening post is mostly not about Jews, although that might be difficult to discern if the content of the thread was taken as an indication.

For those who can't view the video, it's about dominionist theology and politics, and the history of the more radical Christian movements in the US over the past few decades, and also how some of those movements fully intend to take over the government of this country on a permanent basis. They thought they had already accomplished this during the GW Bush presidency. People can read more about it by Googling "Republican Gomorrah".

It also discusses some of the psychology behind the more extreme right wing radical religious thought.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 12:37 AM

Concerning the underlined words and links mentioned above. It is my understanding that would have nothing to do with Mudcat's ad thing; they are supposed to appear at the end of threads and on various pages, but not in individual postings. It's more likely some setting in your browser which is set to do such. If it continues, please send a PM to Max or Joe.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 12:38 AM

I think the suggestion was that "the Jews" are controlling Obama and also the Democrats, but the same poster also said that the Christians control the Republicans.

Keep in mind that the poster in question hates all religions.

Has anyone actually watched or listened to the video? I found it to be an eye opener. I already knew some of that stuff, but a lot of it was a surprise (although I suppose it shouldn't have been).

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Peace
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 12:39 AM

"Republican Gomorrah is a bestiary of dysfunction, scandal and sordidness from the dark heart of the forces that now have a leash on the party. It shows how those forces are the ones that establishment Republicans—like John McCain—have to bow to if they have any hope of running for President. It shows that Sarah Palin was the logical choice of a party in the control of theocrats. But more that just an expose, Republican Gomorrah shows that many of the movement's leading figures have more in common than just the power they command within conservative ranks. Their personal lives have been stained by crisis and scandal: depression, mental illness, extra-marital affairs, struggles with homosexual urges, heavy medication, addiction to pornography, serial domestic abuse, and even murder. Inspired by the work of psychologists Erich Fromm, who asserted that the fear of freedom propels anxiety-ridden people into authoritarian settings, Blumenthal explains in a compelling narrative how a culture of personal crisis has defined the radical right, transforming the nature of the Republican Party for the next generation and setting the stage for the future of American politics."

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Neil D
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 02:30 AM

One more update to the that list: Arlen Specter has recently switched parties and is now officially a Democrat.
   Frank Schaeffer, author of CRAZY FOR GOD: How I Grew Up As One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back, has a unique perspective on the takeover of the Republican Party by the radical religious right. If you've got 8 minutes check him out:

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Neil D
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 02:31 AM

Frank Schaeffer

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 11:03 AM

At least most Jews in America are atheists... not that I think the Dems have actually been taken over by them.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: pdq
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 11:20 AM

Max Blumenthal uses words to conduct acts of terrorism, as shown by Mr. Murdoch's post above.

It is the people who believe this professionally-written character assasination puke who have problems.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: number 6
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 12:20 PM

I agree pdq ... very good.

and it's people who get all wrapped up in the religious issue ... and ultimately it's people who are the victims .. from which ever angle you view it.

sad ... very sad ... and it's not getting any better.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 12:27 PM

The dominionists don't deny what they're up to. If someone asks them what their agenda is, they'll come right out and tell them. Their agenda is to take control of the government and they perfectly willing to instigate violent acts in order to help them accomplish this. I would say it is they who use words to conduct acts of terrorism.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 12:28 PM

"Max Blumenthal uses words to conduct acts of terrorism..."

That kind of rhetorical flourish insults those who have suffered from real acts of terrorism.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: pdq
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 12:45 PM

All the Christians I know try to improve themselves every day and try to improve the lives of others.

Saul Alinskyite Max Blumenthal is an anti-Christian bigot who is stirring up haterd for Christians by attacking a small minority. They may be a fringe group with a few problems, but don't be fooled. Blumenthal is aiming his hate at all Christians. He wants an Athiest country.

He will not win because at least 70% of American consider themselves "people of faith". Mad Max can only attract a few disturbed followers who are pre-disposed to seething rage and haterd. He can do damage but he cannot win. Minimize the damage and turn him off. Click.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 01:00 PM

Blumenthal is not talking about Christianity in general and neither am I. We are talking about the extreme radical right wing Christians, which do exist, and who are causing problems for democracy in the US. Looks to me like someone thinks we are only allowed to discuss extremism when it is practiced by Muslims. Well, I say, bullshit to that.

And by the same token, if someone above can say we're not allowed to talk about extremism among some Christians because it will stir up hatred for the whole group, we can also say that about Muslims. If we are not allowed to talk about the extremists in the Christian religion for that reason, they we are also not allowed to talk about extremists in the Muslim religion because it will stir up hatred for the whole group. Can't have it both ways.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 01:12 PM

But that doesn't amount to "acts of terrorism".

It would be a very good idea if nobody encouraged or accepted "disturbed followers who are pre-disposed to seething rage and hatred". And that should especially apply to anyone who wished to see themselves as any kind of Christian. It doesn't always work out that way, does it?

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 01:25 PM

"Not everyone who keeps saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will get into the kingdom of heaven..." (Matthew 7:21)

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 02:48 PM

Blowing up abortion clinics is acts of terrorism, and that's one of the things that this ideology is responsible for.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 03:10 PM

My post there referred back to pdq's previous post

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: GUEST,dadman
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 04:02 PM

BS: History of US radical religious left

http://realanswers.net/radio/desc/002757.html

Subject: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: hidigibaugh
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 04:15 PM

From: Riginslinger

Yes, just another example of why it's so important to stamp out the scourge of religion

and so how can we do this ??? .. does this include violence ??

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 05:36 PM

A suggestion to hidigibaugh.

When posting a quote, together with a comment on that quote, it is advisable to indicate, by quotation marks or in some other way, which bits are quote and which are comment.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: hidigibaugh
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 08:07 PM

QUOTE = (From: Riginslinger) "Yes, just another example of why it's so important to stamp out the scourge of religion"

COMMENT = and so how can we do this ??? .. does this include violence ?? . . . how does one go about "stamping-out" another person's belief ?? .. can Riginslinger please clarify ??

Subject: History of US radical religious left
From: hidigibaugh
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 08:16 PM

QUOTE = "And by the same token, if someone above can say we're not allowed to talk about extremism among some Christians because it will stir up hatred for the whole group, we can also say that about Muslims. If we are not allowed to talk about the extremists in the Christian religion for that reason, they we are also not allowed to talk about extremists in the Muslim religion because it will stir up hatred for the whole group. Can't have it both ways. "

COMMENT = show me the website that lists all of the murders and killings these "Christian extremists" are commiting compared to what the Muslims are doing . . . what .. you have nothing but excuses for Muslims ? the Religion of peace indeed

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 08:45 PM

Blumenthal's concept of RR sado masochism can be seen in virtually all the remarks of the most extreme RR politicians. C Street perversions as well as the perverse remarks by Barbara Bachmann to slit their wrists for their cause is par for their course.

Religious sado masochism in the political ring is a bit "high faloutin fancy talk" for what most people call sexual hypocrits and domestic terrorists striving to dismantle secular goverment and replace it with a Biblical theocracy.

Blumenthal has put faces and dates on what we all knew in our hearts, such as the conservative movement having more than their share of self loathing homosexuals. He has given me a better understanding of James Dobson's rise to power through the mutual exploitation of Ted Bundy. He has also drawn back the curtain and exposed where and from whom they got countless millions of dollars to overthrow secular goverment.

He has probed the racist and fascist right wing elements of Isreali politics which I have been warned against alluding to by Jews who prefer to ignore their right wing extremists. In my opinion to ignore these exptremists is to open the door to apartite enthusiasts.

The call for an authoritarian father figure by the Christian right is better understood with the help of Blumenthal's writings.

Having been a target for some of these religious fundamentalists I can attest to their high anxiety and self denial to their own potentials. They are indeed afraid of free will and freedom. I have watched the nervous tremors in their hands and other symptoms of anxiety that becomes transmuted into attacking the non believing infidels.

Calvanism constipates the psyche and drives people mad. Galvanizing these self frustrated people under the likes of Glen Beck who pleads with them to let out their hate and frustration and direct it toward Barak Obama is as dangerous as smoking atop a heap of gun powder.

Talk about an ever lasting lake of fire...

Watch his video Rapture Ready... it is a comedic horrorific documentary.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: hidigibaugh
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 09:01 PM

Man !! .. you must not sleep very well .. what a buncha' BS

"these self frustrated people under the likes of Glen Beck who pleads with them to let out their hate and frustration and direct it toward Barak Obama" . . . obviously this man hasn't seen G Beck's program .. must be an Oberman groupie . . .
time for another anti-depressant ??

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 09:41 PM

I think people can try to get their points across without making attacks on other posters. We're having a thoughtful discussion here, not a street fight.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: pdq
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 09:54 PM

Anybody who would post Mad Max Blumenthal's rancid puke does not deserve the time of day.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 10:29 PM

Fine, don't participate in the thread then.

Subject: RE: BS: History of US radical religious right
From: pdq
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 10:31 PM

A much better solution is for anti-Christian hatemongers to stop posting this king of puke.