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BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread

katlaughing 29 Oct 09 - 04:17 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 29 Oct 09 - 04:18 PM
VirginiaTam 29 Oct 09 - 04:20 PM
katlaughing 29 Oct 09 - 04:27 PM
gnu 29 Oct 09 - 04:28 PM
GUEST,harpgirl 29 Oct 09 - 04:38 PM
The Sandman 29 Oct 09 - 04:38 PM
gnu 29 Oct 09 - 04:39 PM
Old Vermin 29 Oct 09 - 04:40 PM
artbrooks 29 Oct 09 - 04:41 PM
The Borchester Echo 29 Oct 09 - 04:42 PM
catspaw49 29 Oct 09 - 04:55 PM
VirginiaTam 29 Oct 09 - 04:56 PM
The Sandman 29 Oct 09 - 05:05 PM
VirginiaTam 29 Oct 09 - 05:07 PM
Genie 29 Oct 09 - 05:11 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 29 Oct 09 - 05:17 PM
akenaton 29 Oct 09 - 05:25 PM
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The Sandman 29 Oct 09 - 05:48 PM
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gnu 29 Oct 09 - 05:51 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 29 Oct 09 - 05:59 PM
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Don(Wyziwyg)T 29 Oct 09 - 06:21 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:17 PM

I also said I think we ought to be able to get by with one dedicated thread for Faf/BNP stuff with it being moderated. I get it and understand the need to keep folks informed of upcoming events, etc. I just don't think we need a gazillion threads about it and/or slagfests...


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:18 PM

I wonder what use the BNP thread had to mudcat? I ignored it; seems like a UK problem to me and I know little about them (the posts to the thread don't explain how or why they exist or what their attraction is but just pour fuel on the fire).

Others (several at least) are the Zionist Israeli vs. Palestinian threads; I have posted, often heatedly, because the conflict is important to the future of the Middle East and influences thought across Asia, but here again the thread really has little to do with mudcat. If they were cut out, I wouldn't complain.

Perhaps some limits should be imposed, but I would have a hard time defining them.

Maybe I am in a minority in that I enjoyed the extreme posts by Carol C. (sorry to see her partly muzzled, some of her recent posts are just too polite) and Gargoyle, but have been upset by others who seem to be untouchable- but I won't expand on that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:20 PM

I find the term "Murkan" insulting and antagonistic.

1. it (potentially) alludes to the way George W. Bush pronounces the word American.

2. it (potentially) alludes to the term meaning pubic wig.

Neither very flattering, eh?

I really wish Diane wouldn't put her attitude towards Americans on show, because it detracts from her arguments and puts people off gleaning the really useful stuff she posts here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:27 PM

I agree with you, VTam as to Murkan.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:28 PM

The Borchester Echo... Nearly 5000 posts and this is the first time I have seen your name. How odd! I wonder why I have never run into you previously.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: GUEST,harpgirl
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:38 PM

I'd like to see the BS section separated from the forum by another page so they are no longer on the same page. I'd like to have the forum sectioned into American music and Uk music and Other so I don't have to wade through so much to find something of interest.

As I have said over the past eleven years, changing the structure of Mudcat would solve more of the problems than expecting that everyone who participates will behave at all times. But Max has moved on....ssdd


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:38 PM

gnu,
you have not been paying attention.
it is a common problem for the ostrich ,it is part of the package of burying the head in the sand.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:39 PM

Start your own website.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Old Vermin
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:40 PM

A BNP thread on Mudcat was a very good thing because it enabled information about an intended BNP infiltration into Cecil Sharp House to be got to the lady running the EFDSS before rather than after the event. Still haven't heard what happened, though!

Strong argument for keeping it down to one thread just to keep the info in one place.

Understand Joe being dismayed or distressed at the animosity flying about. Worth recalling that the British are very much sensitised about fascism and Nazism. Comes of having the refugees arriving in the 30s, and having to fight Hitler from '39 onwards. Then we see essentially a Nazi party here!

OK, it was our fathers, or grandfathers for some nowadays, but you get the drift....

My personal guess - perhaps wishful thinking - is that the BNP lack the sort of demographic base the at the Nazis had - hundreds of thousands of desperate and hungry ex-soldiers and unemployed workers. That doesn't mean that they don't need to be very severely discouraged. And I shudder to think what could go wrong if the UK economy goes on sinking.

That said, I hope never to use foul language or personal insult as a substitute for argument or indeed otherwise.

I'd somehow utterly missed out on the anti-Christian thing, so no comment on that. I have friends who don't do monotheism for religious reasons, but not getting into *that* discussion...

As for the lady who was fired from being a church organist for being a witch...the sheer cheek of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:41 PM

Well, as far as I know, my usage of commas was entirely correct, and the only apostrophe I used was in "d'etre"; I'm pretty sure that's how one spells it. "Fascist" is spelled with a small "f" unless used as a proper name (e.g., "Fascist Party") - any other misspellings that you may have found are entirely due to my US English spell checker. As an American (and the word you may have been seeking is Mer'cn) with advanced degrees in European history and in political economics, I'd say I can offer a brief definition of fascism as well as anyone else.

Besides, I said nothing about what English (or British, or UKish) anti-fascists should call themselves. What I said was that, as far as I can tell, the BNP are racists rather than fascists, and that to call them fascists gives them more credit than they are due. However, please feel entirely free to call yourself whatever you wish.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:42 PM

I post "really useful" stuff?

Yes, I and a gazillion others have posted again and again and again about how the BNP (just like the nazis before them) are moving in on trad music (and Vera Lynn) and subverting it. They stick it on their sites without permission from, nor with the knowledge of, the artists. They also market music via Excalibur, thus giving the impression that the artists support their nasty machinations. This, unsurprisingly, pisses off musicians considerably. It is not (necessarily) to do with copyright. This was one of the main motivations behind the formation of FaF. It is why FaF logos are beginning to appear on newly-released CDs, on the basis that the fascists will be deterred from attempting to market them.

Perhaps you could all copy this post onto your clipboards ready for the next time (yes, I'm pessimistic enough to believe there will be a next time) some Bush clone starts bleating about "it's nobody's music, it belongs to all of us".


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:55 PM

Sorry man....No Bush clone here and your answer is less than helpful as it implies YOU own something.......Try again?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 04:56 PM

I note you did not respond to the charge that using the term a Murkan is inappropriate, especially in a thread that is charging us to treat each other with respect.

Name calling is not respectful.

I have posted enough in the threads showing my support for FaF and my disgust of the BNP to have 2 Fakebook profiles made in my name and image. But I will not apply a generalised label which encompasses many in order to drive my argument home.

A Murkan is designed for maximum collateral damage, is it not?

It is attacking all Americans not just the one who happens to be getting up your nose at the moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:05 PM

gnu,or ostrich,
I have a website here. have you not been paying attention againhttp://www.dickmiles.com


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:07 PM

Damnit! Now I am going to have to change my Mudcat ID. Seems it is the new black this season.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Genie
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:11 PM

Wow! I saw this thread yesterday, when it had 3 posts (2 from Joe). Didn't have time to formulate a response then and still don't, except to say those 160 new posts sure popped up fast! Seems you've touched on a hot topic, Joe.

G


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:17 PM

I think the problem 'of' Mudcat is that it's an American site playing host to a large UK membership. Just like a country with another immigrant culture in it's midst. We have our own issues and our own threads covering them. And we also tend to do things 'differently'.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:25 PM

The real reason there is such hostility to the BNP, is that it contradicts the mantra of "liberalism".....seeemple!

People have become so politicised that every aspect of their lives has to be categorised as liberal or illiberal, this applies especially to how we think.

Mr Griffin made a telling point on BBC television, referring to his unease about followers of Islam demanding the implimentation of Sharia law,special Islamic schools..... and the erosion of British culture in general, he stated that he had never harmed any Muslim and was against our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Labour government by contrast (he singled out Mr Straw), had the blood of over a million Muslim men women and children on their hands.

Who are the evil ones?....is to think that the muslim population of Britain are eroding British culture in some way worse than being instrumental in the slaughter of a million Muslims in their own country?

Why do we not turn our energy and wrath on the guilty...is it because we are all complicit? We knew that something smelt bad about Blair and the New Labour project...they weren't what we voted for, but they had power and knew how to hang on to it and most of us went along for the ride.

Now we have sussed Blair and his cronies, as I have been saying for years we want them gone...Brown Straw Hoon Blair all the gang who remind us that we did not protest strongly enough, that we did not drag them from their lairs and put an end to them..... but we have not yet sussed the ethos which allowed them to practice their deception for so many years and still makes many of us look past the guilty for some more convenient scapegoats......Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:39 PM

Spot on CS,

The UK membership is comparable to US considering the respective populations.

From the Alexa site which tracks Mudcat demographics.

42.4%    United States
16.1%    United Kingdom

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:48 PM

akneaton
I do not want Brown gone,I think he is the best of a bad bunch,preferable to Cameron[bring back hunting],and Griffin.
that does not mean I support troops in Afghanistan[do you seriously think Cameron or Griffin or the Liberals ,would have had a different foreign policy].


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:49 PM

I would hope if proposed solutions occcur in this thread, a new thread titled so might be made, since I am prob. not the only one who spoke their piece and is now not reading it all.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:51 PM

Dick... you have your own website... which is quite well done. Very impressive. And, you seem quite the lad.

Unfortunately, I haven`t followed much of the controversey. Nor did I know you had such a nice website. All I saw was controversey. Is it the same at your websiteÉ

Sorry... my keyboard goes odd now and then and the question mark becomes É


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 05:59 PM

""Xstians." Last I knew Christians view that abbreviation as offensive."

I use it out of shorthanded laziness. But I'll desist if it's disliked.
Overall though I far prefer the adjective, it says something much more meaningful to me than either the long or abbreviated noun.
If I had more cause to use that, the world would definitely be a better place - no offense to Christians.. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:10 PM

Cool Crow.... next apology is for the Brits. They have supported this forum with funds to a great extent over the last twelve years and to dis them is just not knowing that they did, I hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:21 PM

""I am beginning to think that **ANY** discussion of the BNP ought to be off limits.""

Of all the posters on Mudcat whose opinions I've come to respect and often admire, you are the very last I would have expected to advocate a lock down on free speech, Bill.

I confess I am totally gobsmacked.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:23 PM

True Christians are those who not only follow the words of Jesus but the pattern of his life also..... allowing themselves to be guided by The Holy Spirit.... otherwise known as 'the helper' that Jesus talked about in the NT. They become disciples of CHRIST.... hence CHRISTian....... Crow Sister... using Xstian is like saying X= cross... stian... does it actually make sense to anyone??? Crossstian.... is not something as a Christian that I recognise... however.. if you choose to use it... who am I to question your use of it? ... we all choose our way... rightly or wrongly.... you can call us what you like... it makes no real difference
Best wishes... Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:24 PM

Crow... I see you have been posting here about seven months. And you have the gall to trash the Brits?

To wit...

"I think the problem 'of' Mudcat is that it's an American site playing host to a large UK membership. Just like a country with another immigrant culture in it's midst. We have our own issues and our own threads covering them. And we also tend to do things 'differently'."

Goodyness gracious! I think you have issues to deal with.

But, I don't expect an apology will follow.

Sigh.... once again... gnightgnu


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:26 PM

Gnu, I think Crow Sister is a Brit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: SharonA
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:28 PM

I've read a few of the initial posts here but have skimmed/skipped the rest because so much of it has become a BNP discussion and, as an American, I feel that the BNP itself is irrelevant to me (though I am glad to be made aware of folks' concerns with it, in a beware-the-wolf-at-the-door sort of way).

As far as the discussion of Mudcatter meanness toward Christians is concerned, I'm not sure that one can generalize it quite like that. Certainly there is meanness by right-wingers toward left-wingers and vice versa, and in America, at least, that often means meanness by the religious right toward those they consider "secular" and vice versa. But if conservative-bashing and liberal-bashing have turned into religion-bashing, I must have missed those threads.

I will say that, as an atheist who does not believe in any sort of life after death (including sentient-but-bodyless spirits of any kind), I have sometimes been treated in a mean-spirited way at Mudcat by those who take offense at my attitude toward the dead.

For instance, when Ted Kennedy passed away and an "Obit" thread was started, I was not the first poster to mention Chappaquiddick but I did make a metaphorical statement that, because that incident will forever be associated with Kennedy in the history books, he will "never rest in complete peace". Oh, what a hue and cry resulted from that! The worst responses: Kat was calling me "rude, ill-mannered and judgemental", demanding to know "You sit at the right hand of whatever god you think might declare that? Such arrogance..." and apparently wishing bad "karma" upon me. Meanwhile, Spaw seemed to think that I was declaring myself as having "been so blessed as to be given the gift of perfection" and, since in his opinion I had "cast the first stone" at Kennedy for being imperfect, Spaw threatened to give me a hot lead enema ("just bend over while I get the funnel").

So I submit to you that it's not just Christians who are the recipients of "nastiness" by those of a different religious belief here at Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:31 PM

Mike, well funnily enough I *have* used christian in an offensive way - when calling a Pagan friend of mine "christian" (as in someone who behaves in a kind and giving fashion), she was most put out about it too!!

But unfortunately I feel the particular use and indeed general understanding of that term, seems to be falling into dis-use. Perhaps it's an anachronism in our multi-faith world, yet as I adored Bunyan as a child - I think (as well as being a bit of a hippy) I'm a little 'quaint' or indeed old fashioned in some areas.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:33 PM

Really Art? Odd posts. Perhaps I am WAY off base.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:34 PM

Me thinks the gnu gnows that CS is a Brit. He is playing around a bit as a fun loving gnu is wont to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:36 PM

And I apologize if I did not know what Crow was talking about.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:39 PM

Yes Gnu, you have exposed me! Actually I come from Inner-Space, an interdimension where everything is upsidedown and insideout. Just like the Brits, we walk among you, and do things 'differently'. Like eating sleeping brains.
Sweet Dreams....


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:40 PM

No, VT... I honestly thought she was a Yank and was Yanking the chain. I apologize to her and to all for my offensive remarks. My bad, definitely... big time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:41 PM

1. People should check where their posts are being misused.

2. The USA is the birthplace of the idea that "folk" follows in the footsteps of Pete Seeger and Woodie Guthrie...


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:42 PM

Crow... "Just like the Brits, we walk among you,..."

So, is she a Brit? Or a troll?

I am tiring quickly.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:42 PM

Don't sweat it Gnu... I'll just pop it into my 'bank-account' to offend myself with at a later date, y'know on a quiet day at Mudcat when things are dull.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:43 PM

Well Crow Sister... I guess you have assembled some sort of personal identity whether good or bad..... but what the heck has Bunyan got to do with anything??? You are.... perhaps... quaint or a little old fashioned in your ideas.... but I guess at least they are your own ideas..... I just prefer to go with Gods ideas ... they seem to suit me more than adequately. So far His word (the Bible... the New Testament particularly) has given me direction in my life... allowing me also to be led by The Holy Spirit by choice......... the helper that Jesus promised....... I am really happy with my life and my lifestyle... are you....????.... no... are you really??? What is the point of your existence? Why are you here???   I know why I am... do you???
Best wishes whatever.... Mike.
PS... you think calling a pagan friend Christian is funny??? mmmmmm is it really?


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:45 PM

""I don't follow the BNP threads and I haven't really followed this one either but it seems a common theme is "they are stealing our music."""


That is not strictly what was said.

They have been trying very hard to present themselves as champions of what they describe (erroneously) as disenfranchised white indigenous British people.

To further this aim of making their policies more palatable to the populace, they have been hijacking festivals such as St. Georges Day celebrations, stealing (there is NO other accurate description) the musical output of Folk artists, and selling it for their own profit on labels owned by the party e.g. "Great White Records", a name which, in itself, exposes their racist message.

I'm a very minor semi pro performer, who has seen fit to challenge them, with the result that my identity has been cloned on fake Facebook, and Bebo, profiles which show me as a BNP supporter.

This has actually cost me future bookings, and I suspect others will have similar experience.

This is designed to harrass and intimidate until we go away, leaving them free to debase our culture and heritage, as if New Labour hadn't done enough damage already.

That, if you'll all forgive me for saying so, is why I will not stop challenging them, unless I am thrown off this site.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: gnu
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:46 PM

Troll... gnightgnu.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Smokey.
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:51 PM

"Anti-christian bigotry" is adequately illustrated in Luke, 11:23. One man's bigotry is another man's paranoia.

As for the BNP, they are what they are, and don't make much secret of it. I doubt very much they are responsible for any of the mischief on this forum or towards members on Facebook, but that's just my opinion. I still detest what they stand for.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:52 PM

Mike, no I didn't call my Pagan friend "a Christian", I called her "christian": meaning charitable, kind, forgiving. It's becoming a term less well used today. And I think unfortunately so. It wasn't meant as a joke, it was an observation of her character based on her behavior *not& on her religion. By "funnily" I meant "oddly". But I have this feeling that for whatever reason my posts on this thread are being almost perversely misinterpreted. Perhaps with everyone being determined to be offended around here, a little tolerance for light-heartedness would not go amiss!


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Gervase
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 06:57 PM

X used as shorthand in 'Christian' has a long lineage. It's the Greek letter Chi, as seen in the Chi-Rho symbol scrawled in the catacombs in Rome in the second century, which stood for the first letters of the word Christos, or 'anointed one'. To be honest (as an atheist), I really don't think any true Christian would feel upset about being reminded of the two millennia of history behind his or her faith.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 07:09 PM

With respect Crow Sister... Christian means of Christ... not charitable, kind, forgiving.... although those are attributes of a true Christian. A CHRISTian is a follower of Christ.. a disciple... nothing more... nothing less.... you cannot make it what you want it to be!!!!! You are not so much being perversely misinterpreted as misinterpreting...... You want lightheartedness and tolerance... then please try to understand that your interpretations may not be accurate and your 'wording' inadequate.
You have my best wishes and prayers for the growth in your wisdom. Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Rowan
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 07:14 PM

I'd like to have the forum sectioned into American music and Uk music and Other so I don't have to wade through so much to find something of interest.

I suppose the formal application of "First past the post" voting rules might support both CrowSister and VirginiaTam but it seemed to me, when I first started perusing Mudcat, that many from north of the equator seemed happy to make blanket statements about various aspects of folklore, music etc, as though they were describing 'the universal set'; in my experience many of the blanket statements just didn't apply to the bit south of the equator that I know. So I became a member and like to think I have added a little value, here and there.

But I realise the problems of UK and Eire, Asia Minor (from where I sit, "Middle East" seems a misnomer when applied to the eastern edge of the Mediterranean) as US elections are dogfights in which I have no dog; all I can do is try to work for the recognition of peoples' better instincts and humanity. Very rarely have I felt I can contribute anything positive to such threads. And I'm engaged in enough domestic dogfights to keep me occupied without intruding on others'.

Early in the thread, someone posted the notion that people from the US and UK perceive the politics and religion generally (and, it seems to me, the BNP, Christianity and Islam particularly) through different lenses; both nations also have a different take on freedom of speech, which may have contributed to Mudcat's attractiveness to those from the UK.

Pleasingly, this thread has mostly stayed focussed on the worth of ideas and, while ideas have been strenuously attacked there has been an avoidance of ad hominem lines of argument; the one or two that have been, allegedly, so identified may well be due to the differences between cultures. Here's hoping other threads may benefit.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: SharonA
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 07:22 PM

I for one understand what Crow Sister is saying about the word "christian" with a lower-case "c". It is a term in common use in the US, though not as common as it used to be.

The fact that Mike is zeroing in on Crow Sister and calling it "HER 'wording' " -- calling it "inadequate" and, by wishing she would "grow in wisdom", calling her foolish -- is a fine example of what I was saying in my previous post. It's not just the Christians who are being bashed around here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: GUEST,Suibhne (Astray)
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 07:23 PM

You have my best wishes and prayers for the growth in your wisdom. Mike.

Jesus thinks you're a jerk.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 07:23 PM

I didn't make it up Mike. It can be commonly found in literature, but the usage seems to be less common now. As I said perhaps it has something to do with our modern multi-faith society. Small c christian.


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Subject: RE: BS: The problem at Mudcat? Moderated thread
From: SharonA
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 07:26 PM

Mike, a definition of small-c christian can be found here, too: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_term_'small-c_christian'_mean


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