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BS: 2012

Bonzo3legs 13 Jan 10 - 01:40 PM
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MGM·Lion 13 Jan 10 - 12:07 PM
Little Hawk 12 Jan 10 - 03:09 PM
bubblyrat 12 Jan 10 - 03:05 PM
Donuel 12 Jan 10 - 01:24 PM
GUEST,Shimrod 11 Jan 10 - 05:18 PM
Little Hawk 11 Jan 10 - 01:55 PM
Amergin 11 Jan 10 - 01:54 PM
MGM·Lion 11 Jan 10 - 01:33 PM
Bill D 11 Jan 10 - 12:50 PM
Little Hawk 11 Jan 10 - 12:36 PM
GUEST,Shimrod 11 Jan 10 - 05:20 AM
Little Hawk 11 Jan 10 - 12:37 AM
Little Hawk 25 Nov 09 - 07:21 PM
Rasener 25 Nov 09 - 06:47 PM
Little Hawk 25 Nov 09 - 06:39 PM
Bobert 25 Nov 09 - 05:34 PM
Don Firth 25 Nov 09 - 02:10 PM
Little Hawk 25 Nov 09 - 01:26 PM
Bill D 25 Nov 09 - 01:21 PM
Little Hawk 25 Nov 09 - 01:17 PM
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Little Hawk 25 Nov 09 - 12:34 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 01:40 PM

There is little so hideous as female athletes in their silly half vests, with ingrowing chests!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: bubblyrat
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 12:16 PM

How DO you define a Tangent ?? Roger Moore emerging from a Health Club ??


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 12:07 PM

Will you twits please focus on the damned movie???? ===

Movie? WHAT movie? This thread is about OUR 2012 Olympics, isn't it? WHAT MOVIE???   Will you all just concemtrate over there?/ I know you don't believe Olympics ought ever to happen anywhere else but in the Good Old U S of A -- but these are going to - so live with it. And stop going off at irrelevant tangents about some movie, FFS.

WHAT MOVIE?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 03:09 PM

Will you twits please focus on the damned movie????

Here's another delightful review of it:

I was well aware that this movie would be about over-the-top action and CGI only and so I decided to shut down my brain to stand-by and direct all available blood to the eyes and ears. A technique that works perfectly for classic Bruce Willis or Arnie films giving you 2 hours of entertainment and fun. Unfortunately this time it did not work. "2012" delivers so many low blows to a homo sapiens' mind that some kind of subconscious alarm must have been triggered that woke up my brain to avoid any permanent damage. Then the real suffering began.

You don't expect to get a good script with witty dialog and good storytelling in movies like this - and you don't get it. You don't expect the best and most convincing actors in the world in movies like this - and you don't get them. Woody Harrelson being the only exception. You probably don't expect the best editing, lighting, costume designing etc. in movies like this - and you don't get them.

You DO expect overwhelming visuals in this kind of movies - you get them partially. You DO expect thrills and suspense and surprises in this kind of movies - you don't get them.

Roland Emmerich artfully manages to make watching the end of the world in monumental pictures a thoroughly boring experience. Why? Because this film never touches you in any way. The main characters remain shallow throughout the whole 158 minutes. Some are just not interesting, others are so overdrawn (Yuri, Tamara) that you just can't think of them as real people. The story does not develop and lead to something you did not expect. There is no flow. Ridiculous action scenes alternate with pathetic, kitschy good-bye talks that fail to catch you because NO actual human being would ever talk or act in the ways depicted here. There is no realism at all in virtually any scene of the film so how could you manage to connect to it?

But the worst of all is the awkward exaggeration in EVERYTHING shown on the screen. It is nice to see a nail-biting last-second escape in a movie. Seeing your main characters taking a one-in-a-million chance every ten minutes is revolting. It is an insult to your intelligence. In this respect "2012" has set a new standard. It makes all four "Indiana Jones" movies look like documentaries. Who cares for the laws of physics? Just invent new ones if it is necessary to save the hero!

Of course this is fiction and you are allowed some creativity to keep things going but there is a limit to what you can ask from the viewer to believe.

*** Spoiler*** My "favourite" scene of the movie: Our heroes are on a Russian cargo plane heading for China. The plane is piloted by one professional and a student pilot who has had a few hours on a single engine sports airplane(?). After having survived a last-second escape (see?) from the airport they are planning to get a refueling at Hawaii. Unfortunately the island has turned into a lump of molten lava and they have to continue their flight knowing they would not make it to China but go down somewhere in the open waters. The very moment they run out of fuel they discover that the Asian continent has moved 2500 kilometers in their direction(!) and they crash-land their aircraft on some elevated plain a stone's throw from the original destination! Of course there is a group of helicopters flying by only minutes later to pick them up and get them to the secret base they were heading for... *** End of Spoiler ***

And no, this is not an exception. There are numerous parts like this. It is just like I said: an insult to your intelligence.

Believe me, I could easily list at least a hundred of flaws and errors made in this movie ranging from human behavior over technical design to mathematical chances - not even regarding the constant violation of physical principles.

All in all I am convinced that it is for your own good not to spend your money on buying a ticket for this crap but find any other use for it. Burning it is a legitimate alternative. At least that would save your time.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: bubblyrat
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 03:05 PM

I worry because ,in the next two years,lots of "wind turbines"are due to be built,especially around the coast of Great Britain. Nobody seems to have considered the detrimental effect that this folly could have on the Earth's rotation----it is obviously going to SLOW IT DOWN, it's simple physics,I mean,PLEASE, forget this silly idea and drill for more oil, it's the only way.You know I'm right !


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 10 - 01:24 PM

Autistic symptoms in my son such as literalism has made me drop much of my around the house satire and has forced me to explain things in a step by step fashion. It has helped me communicate better with other grown up literalists in the neighborhood.
Maybe its me but it seems most literalists grow up to become Republicans.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 05:18 PM

Canada! Now there's a thought. All those woods and lakes with not a runner in sight. But knowing my luck I'd probably get eaten by a bear or scalped by the Ojibwa ...

As for "Weightlifting!" - I know that Olympians do weightlifting - but on British telly all they ever seem to show is f***ing track events - or rather the preliminary hopping about and shorts adjusting prior to the track events. Sometimes, if you're patient enough, someone might actually run - BUT I'M NOT F***ing PATIENT ENOUGH - I DON'T F***ing CARE!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 01:55 PM

There will undoubtedly be a few suicides.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Amergin
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 01:54 PM

Well I predict that in 2012 there will be mass suicide as these odd end of the world cults drink the kool aid.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 01:33 PM

Absolutely, BillD - watching the Olympics, or reading the results in the paper, &c, are entirely voluntary activities you know, Shimrod. You don't have to be interested if you don't want.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 12:50 PM

"..all I will be able to see will be a lot of skinny people hopping about adjusting tiny shorts over their bony buttocks."

Weightlifting!

(and those Ethiopians & Kenyans run LONGER...the Jamacians run faster.. *grin*)

(We had the games in Atlanta a few years ago... we KNOW how overwhelming it can be...be we also have between 25 & 400 cable channels to choose from.)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 12:36 PM

I feel your pain, Shimrod. ;-) Have you considered moving to Canada before that happens so you can just avoid the whole damned thing?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 05:20 AM

Trust all of you Americans to be to be so parochail. Don't you know that a real disaster will unfold here, in the UK, in 2012, and there's not a thing that we can do to avert it! It's called the London Olympics - and for months we will have to put up with wall-to-wall sport (arrrggghhh!!!!). Every time I switch on the telly all I will be able to see will be a lot of skinny people hopping about adjusting tiny shorts over their bony buttocks. Every few hours they will pointlessly run around a track and 'talking heads' will spend further hours, equally pointlessly, discussing why one skinny person ran around the track a few fractions of a second faster than some other skinny person. Inevitably someone from Ethiopia or Kenya will be faster than everyone else - and I don't need to be Nostrodamus to predict that!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 12:37 AM

Hey, people! Please go to IMDB.com and look up the page for the movie "2012". Then read the reviews given by the unfortuate public who went to see it. Very funny! Set the filter for "hated it" and read one-star review after one-star review about what must be one of the stupidest movies of all time. Roland Emmerich has outdone himself this time.

Here's a quote from one magazine review of 2012:

"Final Synopsis: 2012 sucks. But if you're a moron, you're going to love it. The scenes of destruction are wonderful… but you've seen them all in the trailer. The only thing left to see is the bloated and bland corpse of the world that Emmerich leaves behind. If you think that's worth 2 and a half hours of your time, you should probably leave and never come back to this website again… no… seriously… get the fuck out."


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 07:21 PM

I've decided not to see it because of two reasons:

1. I have walked out of 2 or 3 past Roland Emmerich films totally disgusted that I just wasted a few dollars and a piece of my time on something of absolutely no merit whatsoever.

2. At least half the reviews of it by various members of the public on imdb.com say basically the same thing as I did above. I haven't read so many damning reviews of a movie from ordinary viewers in a long time....they make for some pretty funny reading! (although everyone agrees that the special effects are very good...but just about nothing else is...just the special effects).

This time Roland Emmerich has managed to digitally destroy everything on the entire planet, so he may have run out of things to wreck in his further movies...unless he goes for the end of the whole Universe next time. ;-) He is the absolute master of spectacular visual excess utterly devoid of meaningful content.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 06:47 PM

We have banned our 14 year old from seeing 2012.

Being Autistic, she is taking it literally and is so worried, even though we are laughing it off.

Its not nice to see.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 06:39 PM

That's okay, Bobert. People can engage in sex quite effectively whether they understand it or not. That's why the population keeps increasing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 05:34 PM

Yo, LH...

Well, the Wes Ginny Slide Rule has come up with a new theory on that sex change thing is gonna be opposite betweeen the northern ans southern hemnispheres... Has somethin' to do with the way the water swirls in the toilets... You knowm that counter-clockwise thing and chromosomes... Hey, don't ask me... I don't unnerstand the toilet thing 'er the sex thing...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 02:10 PM

Scene:    University of Washington. Survey of Astronomy class for non-science majors.

Prof (after describing the death throes of the sun when it has used up all its fuel, temporarily bloats into a red giant, consuming all the inner planets including the earth, then finally shrinks into a white dwarf hardly bigger than the earth itself, and continues to burn dimly for another several billion years):    "Considering the present mass of the sun, this will not happen for another five to seven billion years."

Hand goes up in the back row.

Student (nervously):    "How long did you say it would be before this happens!??"

Prof:    "Five to seven billion years."

Student:    "Oh! Thank God!! I thought you said 'five to seven million years!'"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 01:26 PM

Good. I hate to see a prediction that is vague on specifics. I'm glad you've alerted me as to what is to occur, Bill, and I can now make suitable preparations. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 01:21 PM

Ahhh...sorry, left out the date! May 23... so DST,


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 01:17 PM

"Earth will be destroyed on 347,881,063 AD...at 7:30 PM."

Will that be on standard time or daylight savings?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 01:00 PM

"...and everything is fine."

Oh?


--------------------------------------------------------- I have worked out a grand theory uniting ALL the various ideas of "the end", and I can confidently predict that the Earth will be destroyed on 347,881,063 AD...at 7:30 PM.

However, civilization will last only until 3261, when the final food riots will overwhelm the last sanctuaries, despite having the final loads of Beatles and Elvis LPs rained down on them from the battlements... and the last Micro$soft tech will cease work on Windows 837Infinity....(I 'think' that the 700 Club will disband just before the end, but you never know.) (Max says Mudcat will be here a LONG time, so someone can verify what I say and do the final post praising my erudition)

Oh...and the cockroaches will persist until they are reduced to eating nothing but okra and the pages of old Playboy collections.

I'd post the details of my calculations, but it's hard to translate from Mayan to Base 27.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 12:34 PM

I have to add Chongo's prediction for the end of the world on July 7 of 2009. He woke up in the morning with a massive hangover from the revels of the night before (he had received a large payment for a successfully concluded case and gone out on the town). After a number of hasty trips to the washroom and lengthy periods of prayer before the porcelain god, he informed me in funerial tones that "the end is near". When I pressed him for further details, he simply said, "It's the end of the world" and staggered off to bed.

He was wrong. It's now almost December of '09 and we're all still here and everything is fine.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Amos
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 11:07 AM

Most prophets of doom come from a religious perspective, though the secular crowd has caused its share of scares as well. One thing the doomsday scenarios tend to share in common: They don't come to pass.

Here are 10 that didn't pan out, so far:

The Prophet Hen of Leeds, 1806

History has countless examples of people who have proclaimed that the return of Jesus Christ is imminent, but perhaps there has never been a stranger messenger than a hen in the English town of Leeds in 1806. It seems that a hen began laying eggs on which the phrase "Christ is coming" was written. As news of this miracle spread, many people became convinced that doomsday was at hand — until a curious local actually watched the hen laying one of the prophetic eggs and discovered someone had hatched a hoax.

The Millerites, April 23, 1843

A New England farmer named William Miller, after several years of very careful study of his Bible, concluded that God's chosen time to destroy the world could be divined from a strict literal interpretation of scripture. As he explained to anyone who would listen, the world would end some time between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844. He preached and published enough to eventually lead thousands of followers (known as Millerites) who decided that the actual date was April 23, 1843. Many sold or gave away their possessions, assuming they would not be needed; though when April 23 arrived (but Jesus didn't) the group eventually disbanded—some of them forming what is now the Seventh Day Adventists.

Mormon Armageddon, 1891 or earlier

Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church, called a meeting of his church leaders in February 1835 to tell them that he had spoken to God recently, and during their conversation he learned that Jesus would return within the next 56 years, after which the End Times would begin promptly.

Halley's Comet, 1910

In 1881, an astronomer discovered through spectral analysis that comet tails include a deadly gas called cyanogen (related, as the name imples, to cyanide). This was of only passing interest until someone realized that Earth would pass through the tail of Halley's comet in 1910. Would everyone on the planet be bathed in deadly toxic gas? That was the speculation reprinted on the front pages of "The New York Times" and other newspapers, resulting in a widespread panic across the United States and abroad. Finally even-headed scientists explained that there was nothing to fear.

Pat Robertson, 1982

In May 1980, televangelist and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson startled and alarmed many when — contrary to Matthew 24:36 ("No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven...") he informed his "700 Club" TV show audience around the world that he knew when the world would end. "I guarantee you by the end of 1982 there is going to be a judgment on the world," Robertson said.

Heaven's Gate, 1997

When comet Hale-Bopp appeared in 1997, rumors surfaced that an alien spacecraft was following the comet — covered up, of course, by NASA and the astronomical community. Though the claim was refuted by astronomers (and could be refuted by anyone with a good telescope), the rumors were publicized on Art Bell's paranormal radio talk show "Coast to Coast AM." These claims inspired a San Diego UFO cult named Heaven's Gate to conclude that the world would end soon. The world did indeed end for 39 of the cult members, who committed suicide on March 26, 1997.

Nostradamus, August 1999

The heavily obfuscated and metaphorical writings of Michel de Nostrdame have intrigued people for over 400 years. His writings, the accuracy of which relies heavily upon very flexible interpretations, have been translated and re-translated in dozens of different versions. One of the most famous quatrains read, "The year 1999, seventh month / From the sky will come great king of terror." Many Nostradamus

devotees grew concerned that this was the famed prognosticator's vision of Armageddon.

Y2K, Jan. 1, 2000

As the last century drew to a close, many people grew concerned that computers might bring about doomsday. The problem, first noted in the early 1970s, was that many computers would not be able to tell the difference between 2000 and 1900 dates. No one was really sure what that would do, but many suggested catastrophic problems ranging from vast blackouts to nuclear holocaust. Gun sales jumped and survivalists prepared to live in bunkers, but the new millennium began with only a few glitches.

May 5, 2000

In case the Y2K bug didn't do us in, global catastrophe was assured by Richard Noone, author of the 1997 book "5/5/2000 Ice: the Ultimate Disaster." According to Noone, the Antarctic ice mass would be three miles thick by May 5, 2000 — a date in which the planets would be aligned in the heavens, somehow resulting in a global icy death (or at least a lot of book sales). Perhaps global warming kept the ice age at bay.

God's Church Ministry, Fall 2008

According to God's Church minister Ronald Weinland, the end times are upon us-- again. His 2006 book "2008: God's Final Witness" states that hundreds of millions of people will die, and by the end of 2006, "there will be a maximum time of two years remaining before the world will be plunged into the worst time of all human history. By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, and no longer exist as an independent nation." As the book notes, "Ronald Weinland places his reputation on the line as the end-time prophet of God."


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 01:16 AM

Oh, you sly devil, Amos. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 11:48 PM

Arg, I think I'm already gettin ploe reversed!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 11:11 PM

I don't think the Mayans were that smart. If they were so samrt they might still have an advanced civilization. (Actually the Mayans today while living a life of hard work and burden, enjoy a down to earth beautiful landscape... compared to NJ)

If they were so smart they may have had some vaccine technology to prevent dieing by the tens of millions when the Spaniards brought over dozens of diseases, not to mention Sapish maritime prowess and weapon technology.

If they were so smart there would not not be such ambigouity about their calender.

Mayans cutting their forskins to make a blood sacrifice to the Sun God everyday oe mass beheading ceremonies is probably less wacky than the Rapture or the pedophila culture in the Vatican but it just doesn't seem smart to me.


Is a magnetic pole reversal about every 60,000 years? Doesn't it take many decades to end once begun? Having a factor 12,000 sun block lotion would be little help to most plants and animals. I bet it does give mutations a big kick. SOme say the mag reversal has already begun in isolated areas of the planet. If one of those is in Alaska, it would explain some of the mutations I've seen on book tours lately.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Amos
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 10:51 PM

You got it!! And both sides are content with the bargain, too. Mwahahahahaha.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 10:40 PM

Never. Rather woulds't I die, torn apart by wild beasts and my privy parts thrown to the dogs and my reputation damned for all eternity than deny Chongo Chimp and William Shatner!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Amos
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 09:48 PM

And if you'll throw in CHongo and the Shat, he'll forgive Canada, too.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 05:24 PM

God is engaging in a little emotional blackmail, that's all. He wants an end to three things:

1. McDonald's "restaurants"
2. rap music
3. the electoral college

When those demands are met, God will let the USA off the hook. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:59 PM

All hands listen-up! Just noted this google add at the botton of the thread:
"2008: God's last warning. The downfall of the US has begun with economic collapse being first.
www.the-end.com"

Has God issued a reprieve?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:51 PM

A great fatigation. ZZZZZZZZ


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Amos
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:22 PM

Consciousness is a funny beast, and it seems to intermingle at accelerated rates as it expands. The man-from-mud school don't want to know about these odd phenomena because they are inherently subjective and can't be falsified according to the good old-fashioned rules of physical science. Mainly because the Lakovian framing for hard science doesn't fit for consciousness, which refuses to hold still for such furbelows and fripperies.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:04 PM

You want "proof" of the consciousness that pervades the entire Universe, Stower????

Ah--Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ;-)

You are like unto a flea or a tick that demands intellectual dominion over the entire globe and all its creatures and insists that he will not be satisfied until he gets it...and that if he can't hold the world in the palm of his tiny hand, as it were, it's not real.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Amos
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 10:55 AM

Explanation of Don (Donny) Most.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Stower
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 09:12 AM

I literally cannot believe some of what I'm reading here.

So there's a generalised something called consciousness that is a separate thing to the consciousness of any one sentient being? You know I am sentient because you can converse with me in a meaningful way. That's how you know you are senitent, too. How do we show or demonstrate the existence of this generalised, non-specific, non-specified, vague, it's-everywhere-and-it's-nowhere consciousness? Show me where it is in a way that is falsifiable. That would give it some sort of scientific credence.

And time is stretchy and goes backwards? Time is not a reified thing, an object, or an event: it is an idea, a construct to help us understand the constant fluctations and changes in the world. All the measurements of time - seconds, minutes, hours, days - are human constructs we agree to because they work for us (and have been changed many times to make these constructs work better). Changes in the world happen because of decisions made by sentient beings and by growth, decay or change in the natural world. None of this is predictable in any sure way, as there are literally billions of tiny little decisions, growths, decays and changes happening constantly. So one event leads to another - forwards. To conceive that events can be charted in a linear fashion ***that can be made to play 'forwards' or 'backwards'*** is to mistake our helpful mental constructs for the real thing.

And that's why any fortune-telling or prophesy is necessarily bunkum. Funny how they're always predicted *after* it happens. Go on, someone give me a bit of the Mayan text or Nostradamus or *anything* and give me a specific concrete example of something that will happen in the future. It must be in the future. I want the specific date, time, nation, persons involved, event, and consequences, linked unambiguiously to Nostradamus or whatever it is you choose. We'll get it published so all the relevant people can take action in the light of that future event. But then if, as a result of that, the event doesn't happen, it would prove to be a fake prophesy, wouldn't it? And if it does happen, precisely as predicted, then I, for one, will be mightily impressed. But even then we couldn't prove that it wasn't a self-fulfilling prophesy that happened because the idea was put in someone's head.

In other words, these prophetic fantasies may be good fun. But don't mistake them for reality. There are more important things in the world that we really *do* know about that need sorting.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 05:19 PM

Taxes can easily be raised, Ed, simply by the process of inflation...and this has been done for a very long time by the Federal Reserve and the major banks and the political system by creating vast amounts of money out of thin air (through issuing bonds and making loans). The money inflates the currency, driving up prices and weakening the dollar. It adds to the national debt, which creates further debt in interest charges.

This form of taxation enriches the banks and the Fed and funds the government, but it is invisible as taxation to the general public, so the politicians can even lower the official taxes to get votes and still end up taxing the public more heavily than they did before.

And they have done so. Over and over again. And people don't comprehend that that is taxation, because it isn't called taxation.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 05:07 PM

All these predictions over 2012. Looks like the only way through it is to raise taxes.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 04:50 PM

What??? Free bras??? What else they gonna be givin' away, LH???


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 04:46 PM

You won't need to see that counselor after 2012, Bobert! And you won't have to pay either. What a deal, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 04:22 PM

Womanz, my butt... Heck, I was goin' to do the sex-change op a few years back just so that I could have all the stuff that I enjoy the most but then I went to see this counselor... I didn't know that you had to see one of them before you can do the change but you do... Well, at least at the joint where I went... So, this counselor says to me "Hate to tell ya, Bobert, but after the operation your horrormones are going to change and so you ain't gonna be interested in those things they are getting ready to give you and plus, you'll end up thinking like a woman."

Well, that's the way I remember it... Heck I was willing to take a chance on the first part but "thinking" like a woman??? Are you nuts??? Heck, if I had to think like a womanz fir just a day I'd prolly volunteer to Iraq, 'er lethal injection study, 'er both...

Now I find out that in 2012 I'll be lookin' at those bra ads with a new set of eyes??? Like a buyer???

This is too much fir me to fathom???

Wonder what the age cut-off is for Iraq duty???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 03:35 PM

"...nobody can drive 815 miles without peeing in his pants."

I can....but the minute I get OUT of the car, I will probably fail to make the 50 feet to the toilet! I can sit still for an amazing length of time...even drinking beer, but I pay for it!
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"...we'll all have to go out and buy a new wardrobe"

naawwww...just a huge trading session!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 03:04 PM

Well, actually, when the magnetic poles flip, the only other things that will flip will be the folks who are deeply disappointed when nothing else happens.

Well, no, probably not. The folks who thrive on this kind of stuff, mainly, I guess, to try to inject some excitement in their otherwise dull lives, are unembarrassable. They'll just cobble up a brand new cataclysm. I don't know if they know nothing is going to happen and just like to stir up excitement or if they're suffering from some sort of Cosmic paranoia. Probably some of each and a little of both.

Maybe there's a good paper for a psychology student in this.

Being an ancient geezer, I've lived through a number of such "end of the world" deadlines. Invariably, such predictions are based on scientific ignorance. I don't believe astronomers have found any "ionized" asteroids (and what does that mean, anyway?), other than a collision with another planet-sized body, there is no force I can think of that would cause the earth to flip upside down, the sun is a normal, very stable G-spectrum main-sequence star and it's not large enough to go nova, let alone supernova. It's possible that there may be an earth-orbit crossing asteroid out there on a collision course with the earth that astronomers don't know about (and they've been tracking them lately and have them pretty well cataloged), but if they don't know about them, then how do the doomsayers??

See you all on December 22, 2012. Let's have a beer together and toast the next end of the world scenario.

Don Firth.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 02:20 PM

According to Wikipedia:

The last Maya states, the Itza polity of Tayasal and the Ko'woj city of Zacpeten, were continuously occupied and remained independent of the Spanish until late in the 17th century. They were finally subdued by the Spanish in 1697.

So, the time span between the end of Mayan civilization (1697) and the end of the Mayan calendar (2012) is 315 years. This is a significant number because it takes roughly 4.5 hours to drive 315 miles on most US interstate highways, and 4.5 hours is the maximum time a normal person can spend in an automobile without a restroom break. If the end of the world were scheduled for 2512 instead of 2012, that would be a span of 815 years, and nobody can drive 815 miles without peeing in his pants.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:31 PM

What will happen when the Earth reverses polarity is that everybody's gender will flip too. All the men will become women, all the women will become men. (Though Elton John and a few other individuals will remain...ummm...well, a bit ambiguous.)

Should be interesting. But we'll all have to go out and buy a new wardrobe. Hmmm. Well, it should benefit the economy, I suppose.

Now I'm trying to imagine Bobert as a "womanz". Sheesh. This is a really tough one to contemplate.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:29 PM

Not scared of you, Little Hawk. Ya ya lollilegs, all wind 'n'piss.

Non-LoL --- :—<


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:21 PM

the magnetic flip will be a catastrophe when it happens.

it has happen before , not long ago either so we are still here .

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:19 PM

Don't make me get out the rubber knuckles, MtheGM! ;-)


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