BS: Where are all the Righties???

Subject: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 08:10 AM

Gettin' kinda borin' unner the line these days...

I mean, in the MudRighties heyday they would have been all over Obama for bring the 9/11 suspects to New York to stand trial in federal court...

They would have been all over Ms. Sarah's new book "Going Rouge"...

They would have been all over Obama for takin' his time on a new stategy for Afganistan...

Heck, they would have jumped on the commies fir Obama getting off tyhe pot smoker's backs...

I am disappointed in ya'll and don't pretend I ain't talkin' to *you* 'casue ya'll know who yous are...

Grrrrrrrrrr....

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 08:14 AM

You speakin to me ?

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Stower
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 08:43 AM

If "Gettin' kinda borin' unner the line these days" means ...

... that Muddcatters have stopped tearing each other to pieces
... that we are all, at last, being polite and considerate, regardless of dis/agreeing with others' opinions
... that people are actually reading posts and responding to the actual points people are actually making with replies that actually move the debate forward, rather throwing insults and shouting furiously without listening or regard to how insults will be received
... that flaming fascists are becoming increasingly absent
... that posting on Mudcat has ceased to be a blood sport

then I, for one, am glad of this state of affairs. I don't go online onto Mudcat for a punchup. I come here for information and reasoned debate. If you find this boring, I hope you'll find somewhere to take out your angst in a safe environment where others will not be negatively affected.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 08:55 AM

Nah, Stower, just some good ol' fashion bloodless, bashless, insultless, shoutless, flameless differences of opinion... Ain't nuthin' wrong with that...

I mean, lotta folks can do that kinda stuff without have to pull no switchblades outta their pockets... Really...

Just seems to me that there is alot of stuff goin' on right-of-center that would be kinda fun to mess in...

That, BTW, is why they seperated the upper and unner threads back a ferw years ago... Seems folks before then were always complainin' that people were talkin' politics rather than tabs for "Puff the Magic Dragon"... lol...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 08:57 AM

Less people posting, so less spats

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 11:22 AM

They are still here. Mudcat should be commended for allowing different viewpoints.
I think they have been useful.

It's amazing how little people know about what's going on in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 11:55 AM

grrrr...

Fewer people not less people.

I know I am RIGHT about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 12:10 PM

You are, it's one of my favourite mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 12:11 PM

You smile when you talk about my (ex) guvnor, podner. . .

I know I'M smilin'

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 12:53 PM

Why *hasn't* Obama pulled the troops out of Afghanistan?

I'm disappointed in him..

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 01:03 PM

What Lizzie, you mean apart from the opression of women, and the use of Afghanistan as a base to attack and occupy Pakistan, which has nuclear weapons?
No you're quite right, I just can't understand why he keeps them there to be killed by people who want to control the opium trade, so they can get money to buy more arms, to kill more infidels!

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 01:22 PM

A more serious take: p'raps one of the things happening is that the lefties have been so undercut by the non-lefty actions of this centrist administration that the righties are just kinda settin' back laughin'.

One of my friends here is a life-long Republican who began to vote "Democrat" with the first 'W' 'election' ("I'm voting for the guy I think is best for the country, not my pocketbook"). I touched bases with him recently to see how happy he is with 'bama and he said: "The President is doing EVERYTHING I wanted of him."

I tend to agree. I never expected perfection. But I think he's shown some guts and some intelligence.

The Republicants are basically taking the position of complaining about ANYTHING the administration does without advocating anything solid on their own. It's kinda grimly amusing, reminiscent of how the antis treated FDR.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 01:44 PM

There was never any real legitimate reason to invade Aghanistan in the first place, it was an unjustified and criminal act by the USA to invade a country which had absolutely NOTHING to do with planning or orchestrating the 911 attacks, and for Obama to continue to enlarge that war under the pretense that he is protecting America by so doing is asinine. It's his biggest mistake so far in this administration.

Here's an article by Eric Margolis, a Canadian columnist, who discusses the Afghan situation in depth. Read it.

Afghanistan - a war of lies

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 04:02 PM

oh....I'm sure we're all around here somewhere...

Not on much because we've all been ratholin' money and gold for when Obama finally causes the economy to collapse...

Time for arguing is over....you wanted change...you sure got it....enjoy it.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: sing4peace
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 04:19 PM

Right Wing?
Left Wing?
Same bird.

Pigeonholes?
They're for the birds!

JK

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 04:35 PM

I may not be doing my talking on Mudcat (it's a lost cause), but I'm now doing it in my neighborhood. Most fervently I hope to replace my congressman and Ms Pelosi in the coming elections (I don't mean I wish to take their place). And, of course, nothing would please me more than to replace Mr. Obama in the presidency...that though will be tough considering that we have no leading lights on the right...Yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 04:37 PM

Barbara Boxer, too. I believe she's up for re-election, also.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 04:41 PM

Why comment now? Obama and the Dems are cutting their own throats. Things are moving along jes' fine.

They will lose the Senate and maybe the House in the next election.

Sarah (heartthrob) Palin to take the helm in 2012!

There, that make you all happy and puppy-warm?

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 05:00 PM

"Why *hasn't* Obama pulled the troops out of Afghanistan?"

Because Bush handed him the tail of the tiger he (Bush) had let out of the cage.

"<... we have no leading lights on the right.."
I wonder why that would be? It seems that every sensible, moderate 'righty' that tries to say or do anything is hooted down and attacked by the FAR 'righties'. Even Arlen Spector knew when there was no room for a diversity of views in the GOP....and Newt is having trouble also.
This sad state of affairs where the only thing the GOP wants to do is "defeat anything the Dems try to do" is making them look foolish.

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"They will lose the Senate and maybe the House in the next election."
*grin*...don't bet the ranch on THAT one!

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 05:03 PM

Frankly, I think it's time to take the helm away from men- if "heartthrob Palin" is going to be the standard!

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 05:26 PM

Geeziz Bobertz,,,,,I'm feelin' pretty bad for ya'.....I mean really. Lessee.......maybe I can help! Yeah.........okay......I'm RIGHT handed and that's something anyway so coming from that position, I'd suggest you go fuck your own self or somethin' along that order of thing. Maybe you could take a flying fuck at the moon!   What about that?

Is this helpful at all?   I dunno'..........See, I got this note from Joe saying that some folks get real offended about me 'cause they think I'm nasty and all. I hear that one of them suggested it was because of "health problems." That gave me a good laugh I have to say since I been like this my whole life and grew up playing the dozens. But I tell ta' true Ol' Friend, if me telling you you're a jackass can help any, then I'll break my nastiness silence and say you're a fuckin' jackass!!!

If not, just forget I said anything.............


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 05:28 PM

...when Obama finally causes the economy to collapse...

Whoo, boy, talk about alternative reality...

1. The economy HAS collapsed

and

2. It was on Dumbya's watch that it did so, and precisely because of BuShite (and Reaganite) policies.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Janie
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 05:46 PM

Beaubear, methinks the P-vine needs to find some more chores for you to do to keep you from tryin' to pick a fight out of boredom through the long winter:>)

John and Q, I tend to not wade into the fray very often on political threads, but want to say that while I rarely share your perspectives on "what is likely to work" for the country, I often find your comments very thoughtful and value reading your perspectives.

The thing that strikes me about Obama's administration is he also values different perspectives, does not discount stakeholders because they differ with his philosophy, is aware that most Americans (and most humans) have much more in common in terms of values and definition of "the common good" than differences, and that the philosophical differences among truly thinking, caring and responsible citizens are about how those goals are best acheived.

I see him as in search of a "middle way", because that might be acheivable, and in search of a way to reduce the polarization of our increasingly diverse and fearful populace through rational process. I do not know that it is possible to be successful at that in a large and diverse country, given the propensity of most of us to be pretty irrational and emotional in our thinking, and being either unable or unwilling to recognize that we all see through distorted lenses - that our paradigms shape how we perceive reality and how we evaluate.

I hope, perhaps unrealistically, that both Congress and the American people will give him a chance to perhaps move our country and our governance toward a more workable and effective way for different interests to be heard, to have their interests validated, and to get to "Yes" in a diverse population.

Would it be so terrible to give the man a chance?

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Janie
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 05:49 PM

Or achievable:>)

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 06:05 PM

Geez Spaw, I am upset now, I thought I was special. Now I find you get notes from Joe too.
Well I am so upset!

JM

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 06:50 PM

Bobert, y' got another blues thread sliding down the top, and the blues so-called-fans have not checked in at all -- suggests to me that the blame for such slides can't all be laid at the feet of those blues-ignoring "other" folks, if you've got more time for political pot-stirrin' than checking out blues-making about the world...

I'm just sayin'...

Are the blues enthusiasts so tired of their minority that they'd rather be tokin' than token?

Has the past tendency of blues threads to slide to the bottom led to the token bluesists' fixation on B.S., now at the bottom of the page?

Just wonderin'...

~ B in LB

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 07:36 PM

Danged, I gotta go up to the highbrow section and check out this blues thread... So seldom there are any that I kinda quit lookin' fir 'um...

But nevermind them blues threads fir now 'cause I reckon I owe the Spawzer a big thankee... I mean, that "fuck you" post was vintage and suitable fir framin'... Thanks and...

...sniff... Gets me all weepy inside...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 08:48 PM

As matter of fact, there are TWO, and you missed one.

The important one.

(e.g., mine.)

~ B in LB

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Janie
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 09:30 PM

One of 'em what pm'd Joe was me, Spaw. My feelings was bad hurt that Cletus never got back to me about the shape Paw's truck is in.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: GUEST,Goose Gander
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 10:16 PM

I don't have wings.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Janie
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 01:10 AM

What, a wingless goose, and a gander at that!

Poor dear.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 01:40 AM

I'm into vintage and rare cars. Anyone know where I can get a 1932 Jagoff Special that is still in running condition?

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Jim Lad
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 02:24 AM

Where are all the Righties???
Well I never have considered myself one but if you are referring to those who didn't support Obama, basically we were driven out by intolerance.
I just popped in to see how you were all doing with him after one year.
Obviously, the guy turned out to be the empty suit we said he was and judging by some of your own remarks, you know it.
There's just no-one willing to be kicked around any more.
Absolutely no point in it.
You got what you wanted.
Enjoy!

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: kendall
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 05:52 AM

Empty suit? Explain? Platitudes dont cut it here Jim, we want facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: ard mhacha
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 06:53 AM

Once again thank you Little Hawk for pasting that brilliant article by
Eric Margolis, I would be curious to how many US papers took up Margolis`s article.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 08:58 AM

Empty suit, my butt!!!

Me thinks one of the reasons the righties don't come 'round here is 'cuase deep inside they know that Obama is doing a much better job than McCain would have done...

Now let me go hunt for that other blues thread...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 11:52 AM

Interesting that you should bring up McCain, Bobert. I have thought about starting a thread posing the question: What would John McCain be doing right now? (Keeping in mind that Palin would be there too. shudder Talk about wanting to keep Bush in office so that we wouldn't have President CHENEY...)

The part that we knew, going in, was that the mess that Bush left will not be easily or quickly or cheaply cleaned up. Those on the right - not IN the right, mind- choose to ignore that.

Obama may have found the going harder and more complex than even he expected but I doubt it- he tried to warn us.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: kendall
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 12:34 PM

The Bush gang was also warned about Bernie Maddoff and they ignored that warning too.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 12:58 PM

I predict that if McCain were in office he would be upping troop levels in Afghanistan, vowing to stay until "victory" is secured there (ha ha), and blathering on about how the USA "won't be cowed by North Korea".....now THERE's a ridiculous notion! ;-) It's like declaring that Russia won't be cowed by Jamaica or something along that line.

In other words, he'd be doing a lot of the same stupid imperial stuff that Obama is doing, only he'd look and sound a WHOLE LOT stupider while he said it.

Obama doesn't look or sound stupid. He just makes stupid policy decisions while looking and sound intelligent. He probably is very intelligent, I think....but, alas, he is a front man for something else entirely, and he has to do exactly what that something else requires him to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: meself
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 01:48 PM

"but, alas,"

"alas"? Careful, you're starting to sound like - whatzername - Conrad Black's smug wife - in her "Macleans" columns ....

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 02:20 PM

Amiel, I think her name was. Anyhow, it sounded like one of those hot cereals.

Obama is, and will continue to be, controlled by Congress.
The Senate will rewrite the House health bill, keeping a few bandaids.
China will continue to outrun U. S. industrial production.
Middle East policy will be determined by Israel.
Interference in Afghanistan and Pakistan will continue.
He lacks the horses to carry out his programs, thus is confined to making uplifting speeches.

The next Congress will upset his canoe. A slight Republican majority seems likely. The electorate is too divided to give either right or left a firm direction, thus the U. S. will continue to muddle along.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: kendall
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 03:48 PM

Maybe it's best that neither gang of crooks has total power.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 04:25 PM

Probably so, kendall. Although they are both run by the same imperial interests, so how much can it really matter?

Still, I think it's best that neither party get to dominate the agenda completely.

It's Barbara Amiel you're referring to, "meself". She's a strange character. In her youth she was an ardent leftist, but having "matured" (???)(as she imagines) she has become a stauch rightist of the intellectual variety, sort of like a female William F. Buckley Junior. She's an extremely smart woman...and, I think, an extremely twisted one also. She's good at identifying hypocrisy in the Left...not nearly so good at identifying megalomania in the Right.

I think Q has it about right with his list of predictions.

When I said "alas", I really meant it. I think it's a tragedy that a man with Obama's obvious intelligence and fine reasoning abilities is being made to play the role of a glib mouthpiece for an imperial power bent on fighting an endless and unwinnable war against 1/4 of all humanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 04:48 PM

Don't say I didn't warn you!
"Obama will change what he is allowed to change"
"a creature of the system"

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 04:50 PM

You want real change? elect a real person!

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 05:22 PM

How does one do that when the party power system is arranged (from the top down) to either exclude such people, buy them out, muzzle them...or kill them?

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 06:01 PM

I agree absolutely Little Hawk, and remember the ritual slaughter of a woman who appeared to have retained a little individuality(Mrs Palin) by most of the good people here.

Sometimes we need a "loose cannon" to shake the foundations of the system.....doesn't really matter if they come from stage right or stage left.....the real enemy is the system itself, that great warm insideous comforter.
"Just calm down and take your meds Big Brother will take care of everything"

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: heric
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 06:05 PM

If Obama is a mouthpiece for a crusade to subjugate 1/4 of the world's population for their religious beliefs, Little Hawk, how can you "Like the guy?"

Don't you have a duty to engage in passive resistance at the barest minimum, ensuring your money doesn't end up in the US?

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 06:10 PM

ake, the "ritual slaughter of Mrs. Palin"? Your ignorance is laughable.

"By Calvin Woodward | The Associated Press
EDITOR'S NOTE - "Fact Check" is an occasional look at assertions by government officials and others on how well they adhere to the facts.

"WASHINGTON - Sarah Palin's new book reprises familiar claims from the 2008 presidential campaign that haven't become any truer over time.

"Ignoring substantial parts of her record if not the facts, she depicts herself as a frugal traveler on the taxpayer's dime, a reformer without ties to powerful interests and a politician roguishly indifferent to high ambition.

"Palin goes adrift, at times, on more contemporary issues, too. She criticizes President Barack Obama for pushing through a bailout package that actually was achieved by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush - a package she seemed to support at the time.

"A look at some of her statements in "Going Rogue," obtained by The Associated Press in advance of its release Tuesday:"


It goes on from there. Her "slaughter" is of a transitory, non-durable kind.

Subject: RE: BS: Where are all the Righties???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 06:18 PM

I like his basic personality, heric, his intelligence, his dignified demeanor, his articulate way of speaking, his willingness to discuss things reasonably, and his general style. Is that not good enough reason to like a person?

A wrongful cause can include in its ranks many very good people. I regard America's imperial policies in the Middle East to be a wrongful cause....but I am quite sure that a great many good people are serving in that cause, most of them unwittingly, and I do not dislike them as people. I just disagree with the cause they are working for, that's all.

My form of passive resistance is to not buy most of the consumer lifestyle the $ySStem is selling, and not to spend much of my time tuning in to its sales pitch. I don't watch TV. I don't listen to commercial radio. I don't buy drugs (legal or otherwise). I don't give my money or my support to the mainstream political parties. I don't live in a perpetual state of debt (which is what I am tacitly encouraged to do).

As such, I am quite subversive to the system, but without attacking it in any direct fashion. I just don't consent to dance its little dance, that's all.

I do vote. But I do that mainly just for fun. I find it an amusing exercise to engage in on the rare occasions when it comes along. If I had had a chance to vote for Dennis Kucinich, I certainly would have done so without hesitation, though. I consider him to be a voice of sanity in a desert of fantasy and denial.