BS: World Cup 2010

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:28 PM

I hope Brazile gets Chile.

Yes, take that either way. I have no opinion on today's match.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:21 PM

Worst world cup ever,england are crap,overpaid average footballers

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:58 PM

FYFI meadowtroll... I divorced the SOB for being a drunken abusive husband and father who I had to bail out of social and financial trouble for over 20 years. I gave up after the 4th totalled car and 3 jail sentence. I took over half the debt ($60,000) and none of the assets (house, cars, savings) in order to get out of the marriage.

And another thing the comment about fry ups implies to me you are the sicko who keeps creating fake profiles of me on numerous networks using a very unflattering and stolen pic of me. Yes I know about Yahoo Buzz and Bebo and they have been reported.   

I was appx. a stone (15 lbs) overweight until my daughter passed away in 2005 and I developed rheumatoid arthritis 6 months after that. Age, illness, medications and lack of aerobic exercise due to inflamed joints has more to do with my weight gain than my diet does. My caloric intake rarely tops 1150 to 1200 per day.

Don't you feel smug and superior for attacking me? Eh?   Now don't go feeling sorry for me mate. You are the one who is too cowardly to log in under a proper ID and traceable email. I feel sorry for you.


To Joe Offer or other mod... Sorry I had to rise to this meadowmuskrat person. If I have stepped over the line please remove my post.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: olddude
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:28 PM

England I think had all the goods to win or place in this world cup. They just could not come together as a team as I expected they would. I suspect next time they will fix it. Normally I have to blame coaching when I see such.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:13 PM

Holland do enough again to get through. They are a class act and only do what is necessary.

When do they meet Germany. That will be a cracker. No love lost there.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 10:29 AM

That should read - "As the first Euro 2012 qualifying match is only 3 mths away etc..." My excuse is that I'm still getting over yesterday's shambolic WC departure!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 10:27 AM

As the first Euro 2012 is only 3 mths ago, I thought I'd refresh my memory. In the Group Stage we've drawn Wales!!! We've got no chance - is Gigsy still playing for them?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Lox
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 09:23 AM

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 09:04 AM

Cheer up, Al, we're re-stiffening our upper lips, and going back to our own old winning values and ways, even as you type.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Alan Day
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 06:50 AM

I am sorry but, I have taken off my England Tee shirt, hat, scarf, shorts, socks ,wrap around Union Jack .Removed the flags and red crosses from the car. Today a start painting over the red cross on my house and roof.
The flag is at half mast lowered last night to "The Last Post"
Finally I have stamped on the red cross white balloons.
Sob Sob Sob
Al

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 05:05 AM

Instead of employing foreigners, such as Fabio Capello, to compete for us, we English should simply go back to OUR OWN good values and ways...

Poem 150 of 230: TEARS

Watching a documentary
    Of the '66 World Cup,
And the way of England's Ramsey,
    I thought: "Let's give 'passion' up."

It voiced and showed his calm way -
    He playing things down a touch;
And, as his home team won the day,
    They showed care but not too much.

Analytical Englishmen -
    Cool over the tasks that lay;
We see some of it in Henman,
    But it's not the modern way.

Sadly, passion and youthful thought
    Have become the status quo,
And social-standards and sport
    Have sunk relatively low.

(C) David Franks 2003
From http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)
Or http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com (e-scroll)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:57 AM

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Alan Day - PM
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 05:53 PM

Hi alan I agree with all you say. We just weren't good enough to beat a better team on the day.

OK they didn't get the breaks but that should not have created the confusion and disruption in the England defence.

As I said earlier England played like strangers who only met an hour previous to the match.

There was no fire in their bellies. Look at the lack of appeals to the referee and linesment when England scored that obvious goal.

I am not advocating some of the juvenile actions of some of the other teams but this lack of passion signified something deeper to me.

All was not well in the England camp.

There will be much wailing and nashing of teeth for weeks to come but we have to face up to the fact that we are not a first class nation at football any more.

We may have the best league in the World but that is because most of the best players are foreign. Maybe this is one of the causes of our deepseated problems ??

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:44 AM

Whoops -ignore that bit about the clause allowing Capello to leave by mutual consent - I've just realised that doesn't make sense. The clause actually said that either the FA or Capello could terminate his contract within 14 days of the WC ending. All academic now of course as Capello will be walking away with a wheelbarrow-load of cash.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:38 AM

England team beat Australia yesterday!!! This is the first time ever that a nation has beaten Australia in a Test match, one day competition and t20 series. Let's hear it for those England cricketers - including our South African imports!!

Bit of thread drift there, but getting back to the main theme, why on earth did the FA renegotiate Capello's contract a few weeks before the World Cup? The clause allowing him to go by mutual consent was taken out, which now means it will cost at least £12 million to sack him. As Capello has today refused to resign, this is going to cost dearly. The money should come out of the salaries of the pillocks on the FA board who made the decision. Next manager? Got to be Redknapp if he would take the job.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 03:25 AM

It was never over the line

Thanks Schiehallion :)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 03:19 AM

I had the (mis)fortue of seeing the last 10-15 minutes as I had to work yesterday.

What it boiled down to was a lack of effort on Englands part. Whenever England got possession, germany were straight in there taking it away again, and the England players seemed confused about what to do with the ball when they got it.

I rugby, (equal with cricket as my favourite sport) its about how fast the ball is played and keeping momentum.

In all yesterday was a well deserved defeat.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 03:14 AM

"Ah... I hear ya, but "They train a couple of hours a day..."? Any athelete worth his weight in sand trains a lot more than that. And also sits in "class" and studies his own play and his opponents' play. And has sessions sports shrinks and...

Probably put in more hours per week than most."

Gnu, you're obviously an American who knows nothing of the life these guys lead over here. Don't be misled by what, presumably, goes on in the USA. This is a small country and the details of their lives, working and otherwise, is well publicised. Finished work by lunchtime. Trust me - overworked they are not. Overpaid they most definitely are.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:44 AM

On the topic of spoiled sports celebs... my ex was a sports therapist for a double A baseball team in the early 1980's. I was the clubhouse boy, in that, I laundered and repaired their uniforms, cleaned the club house and polished their cleats (boots). Also bought all their goodies, gum, candies, chewing tobacco, preferred toiletries, per list they provided.

These were only double A players and I never met a sorrier bunch spoiled brats in my life. Grown men throwing tantrums, (literally screaming and slamming stuff) because I didn't buy the right flavour bubble gum, or I missed a spot when polishing their shoes or demanding that I use an entire can of Shout stain remover on their uniforms to get out the mud stains after they decided to play mudball in their Whites (away uniforms) during a rainstorm. Texas red clay is almost impossible to remove.

So it doesn't matter where sports celebs come from, socio-economically. If they are spoiled, they are spoiled and it is club and the fan base that does it to them.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 08:40 PM

England may join us in the USA as we sit and wonder 'what might have been'.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 07:41 PM

It was a tough break. The disallowed goal showed the true colors of each team. England could not overcome the adversity, Germany took advantage. While England DID play well (in this game), they were bested by the better team.   I just hope the English fans won't wallow in the tough luck that the met - instead of spending the 40 years complaining about the call, think of all the opportunities they could have improved and what they can do.   

Frankly, it is a tough spot. England may have rapid fans and some great individuals, but they need to re-learn how to play as a team and perhaps they can beat someone who is better than they are. It isn't the BETTER team that always win, it is the team that plays BEST as a team and not a group of talented individuals.

Congratulations to Germany, Argentina, Ghana and Uruguay - you all deserve to move on to the next round.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Lox
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 07:36 PM

Capello needs to go.

Gerrard on the left wing?

No one on the right wing ... why wasn't milner on?

And then taking defoe off and putting on Heskey?????


£7,000,000? - what a con!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 06:48 PM

their plane lands

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 06:44 PM

A truly dismal performance, with only one England player doing his job, and that the goalie.

And to add insult to injury, in a post match interview Capello states that England played well, and were beaten by a "better Team".

Perhaps they should have a manager who knows what "well" means?

I reckon the average amateur Sunday village league team would have taken them today.

Disgusting, and no doubt by the time their plain lands in the UK, they'll have all the excuses sorted out.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 05:59 PM

In the jungle, South African jungle 3 lions sleep tonight,
Cause in the morning the early morning they have to catch a flight,
a win away a win away a win away a win away ♫♪

Not mine I stole it from another site.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Alan Day
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 05:53 PM

Well as an England Football supporter for fifty years I feel absolutely shattered. The Disallowed goal ,the offside goal both perhaps deflated the lads, but the passion in this team was non existent. We can blame the Manager again, but the team let him down.As has been said these guys will be knocking in fantastic goals at the start of the season as if nothing has happened. I just hope that we are ruthless and start again with youngsters that learn to play with each other as a team, but they have a long way to go to get the passion of support back for their supporters.
Watching some youngsters recently on TV juggling the ball with their feet going past players like Jimmy Greaves used to, where do these players go from fifteen onwards? All these ball skills seem to get lost to the hard men of football with no actual skill to go past defenders.
I suppose now I can just relax and enjoy the final games and forget today. or alternativly get my concertina out and do some playing instead.
Good luck to you Germany it was a good clean ,non diving game and here's to the next time.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 04:59 PM

Now Argentina against Mexico was a bit better wasn't it? And the way the Mexicans kept at it till the last minute, was exhilerating, and contrasted rather markedly with the last half hour of the debacle this afternoon.

And you might well be right about the prospects for the Argentina German match, alanabit, the better side doesn't always win - but I'm hoping Argentina, takes Germany apart, because they play the way football should be played. (And so did Mexico!)

I'm hoping it'll be Argentina versus Brazil for the final. With Argentina winning.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 04:38 PM

Ah... I hear ya, but "They train a couple of hours a day..."? Any athelete worth his weight in sand trains a lot more than that. And also sits in "class" and studies his own play and his opponents' play. And has sessions sports shrinks and...

Probably put in more hours per week than most.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 03:58 PM

Thank God our cricketers all have a pair of balls and a modicum of seld-respect. Shame the footballers haven't.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 03:55 PM

"Before we insult these young men, who I am sure tried to the best of their ability, I think we should bear a couple of facts in mind. Firstly very few of us armchair critics have any idea of the pain which a professional sportsman goes through on a daily basis. And secondly, how can you blame those exhausted young men, who simply wanted to go home and relax with their families? They looked unhappy for the whole tournament. For them it was very hard work and excruciating pain. Even amid our disappointment, we should show them some compassion."

For fuck's sake, what planet are you on?

They are paid (note I don't say 'earn') three or four times as much in a week as I earn in a year. They are pampered and cossetted, they lack for nothing and they have the best of everything. They train a couple of hours a day and play three hours a week. It's an easy life. Excruciating Pain? The only excruciating pain round here is the pain they give us all in the arse.

If I performed as badly in my job as they have done in theirs, I'd be out on my neck, and that's precisely what they deserve. They let themselves and millions of fans down - thousands of whom had scrimped and saved from their comparatively minuscule earnings to travel to SA and cheer them on.

They should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Spoilt, pampered lightweights the lot of them. Absolute shite.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 03:26 PM

I cannot believe the referees are THAT poor. That offside goal was hard to watch.

It's time for goal judges and "upstairs" judges... maybe GPS could solve their problems with offside calls?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 03:12 PM

"I'm sure there's a parallel with bankers here ... ?"

Unfair Shimrod! Whether you like the game or not, talent is something privilege can't provide, and footie (as well as some other sports) remains one area in life that common grubby oiks can get a real break. It hurts no-one, and it doesn't matter what frigging school you went to. Otherwise, it doesn't excite me overmuch and nor do the people involved, but to compare them to Bankers!!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 02:47 PM

So, a bunch of spoiled rich boys who get paid squillions for kicking a ball about appear not to be very good at kicking a ball about.


I'm sure there's a parallel with bankers here ... ?


The only difference is we've all got to pay for the bankers' mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 02:42 PM

hi

I add my comments of disappointment to those above and to the no doubt many others that will come.

This was an abject performance by an England side that had been hyped as most others have been.

I didn't mind the defeat - after all the better team won, it was the way in which we played - like the team were complete strangers brought together at the last moment. There was no fight, no flair and no interest as far as I could see.

I am mystified. These players all star every ( or most ) weeks in the Premier league and represent in the most part the top teams. They qualified with ease and played some good football against some useful opposition.

Today was the end of a very poor England competion.

Today the defence was woeful and we were lucky to be only 2-1 down at the interval.

The second half was just a stroll for Germany and they looked as if they could have scored at will.

OK we had a "goal" not allowed. This brings up another question as to why FIFA keep refusing to use the technical facities that abound in almost all other top line sports. Wake up FIFA we want fairness and if it can be improved by technology then let's have it NOW !!! Everybody in the ground could see that the ball was well over the line. I accept that on occasions the officials may not be in a position to see the incident. But there are facilities to counteract that happening.

I hope that I am not minimising Germany's performance. They play as well as the needed to to win and that is what counts in a competion like this.

FIFA's weak reasoning appears to be that technology would slow down the game !!! What about all the feigned injuries and the time to take free kicks etc etc. ??

Well down to the pub now and we will win the match over a few pints...lol

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 02:29 PM

Alanabit
You are making me cry.

They earn a fortune, whilst our family scrimps. The salary one player alone earns in a week would cover our income for the next 5 to 10 years.

Working hard yes. Why shouldn't they. They need to keep fit. Isn't that lovely. Running around a football pitch and kicking a ball. What a dream of a job.

Now lets compare that with families who are on the minimum pay and struggling to survive and working all hours under the sun, to bring a crumb to the table.

Don't make me laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 02:29 PM

How did Noia cheat?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: alanabit
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 01:35 PM

All our nightmares came true. If anything the result flattered England. I expected to lose, but not as abjectly as that. England were simply not competitive. The German goalkeeper knew very well that the ball had crossed his line. He just did what any English goalkeeper would have done - cheated and hoped for the best. It would have been highway robbery had England got back into the game at that stage, so justice was done.
The future looks bleak for England. This was a good German side, but one with plenty of flaws, which are likely to be exploited by the better sides in the competition. However, we can safely say that it will be many a long year before England fields an international team, which has even a fair chance of competing with the top sides. We have no young players on the production line who are as good as the current side.
Before we insult these young men, who I am sure tried to the best of their ability, I think we should bear a couple of facts in mind. Firstly very few of us armchair critics have any idea of the pain which a professional sportsman goes through on a daily basis. And secondly, how can you blame those exhausted young men, who simply wanted to go home and relax with their families? They looked unhappy for the whole tournament. For them it was very hard work and excruciating pain. Even amid our disappointment, we should show them some compassion.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 01:21 PM

Barring injuries and penalties, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 01:20 PM

Germany to the final?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Acorn4
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 01:07 PM

Posted this one earlier on the thread but thought it might be worth a re-post in view of what we've just witnessed:-

England World Cup Song

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 01:06 PM

Well, FIRST he took off Milner just when Milner was coming on strong but he left Johnson, who made a LOT of errors, and a cople of others who I swore at profusely, on. grrrrrrrr

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:29 PM

Well at least I can go and enjoy myself on Wednesday night here http://members.multimania.co.uk/hopetavern/

My wife has made me swear allegance to Holland. Now that's a team and I will be supporting them now. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:26 PM

Had they fielded the England polo team - Mark & Luke Tomlinson plus 2 others we might have stood a chance.

Good luck Argentina.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:21 PM

Apart from the very bad decision, Germany cut England's defence apart and truly deserved to win.

What can I say about England.

Well first is Rooney f****** rubbish. We had such hopes from him. He didn't deliver and gets 0 out of ten from me.

Why didn't Crouch come on with 30 minutes left? Maybe because goal per minute ratio, he is the best goal scorer for England.

Why the f*** did Heskey come on and a wide winger taken off, when we were already on the brink of losing. Yes I know he can score goals NOT.

We have always been a kick and rush team and that's the way we should play.

To think that you can put a highly intelligent manager in and all will be OK, is just what's wrong.

lets get back to the good old thicko blood and guts approach with Stuart Pearce. At least they can run their b****** off even if we lose.

Even my daughter who knows FA about football is so depressed at the result.

Hey ho rant over.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Acorn4
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:18 PM

How can Capello communicate with his players when his English is so poor - I like the way he brought on Heskey when we needed three goals.

Bring on Harry !

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:10 PM

Good, now we can support Argentina as they deserve. I shall hang out our Argentine flag this evening!!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:08 PM

They were shite.
I've still got my last pair of boots from when I stopped playing in the late '70s. I'd be happy to play in the next game, and I only want £50 grand a week - half the price of those tossers.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 12:03 PM

Once the 4th goal went in and Germany started bringing on squad players for a knockaround, I turned the tv off. What a defensive shambles and why on earth did Capello substitute Defoe for Heskey? Our worst ever WC defeat, and it just had to be to Germany didn't it!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 11:44 AM

Gareth Southgate - one of the few Englishmen I heard brave enough to speak out agianst the appointment of a foreign manager, see my post above - should repalce the Italian Capello with immediate effect.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 11:04 AM

What a fucking useless linesman - should be immediately replaced and goal given - but then who cares!!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 11:04 AM

guest meadowtroll... whether Germany is playing better is not the point. if they are better they would not want to win because the official made poor calls in their favour. that would be no win at all.