Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup

Subject: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 01:25 PM

Now we have a Mudcat compettion LOL

England to win 2 - 1

What say you :-)

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 01:30 PM

I take a thousand.... Sterling.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:13 PM

Blimey that was quick. I have never known the elfs to act so quickly pushing it down into the BS section. A record LOL :-)

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:35 PM

Should have stuck a song in the post, Villan.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Will Fly
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:48 PM

I'm sure Algeria and Slovenia will triumph in Group C... ;-)

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:51 PM

Will this do

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16jvt_nessun-dorma-pavaroti_music

:-)

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: goatfell
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 09:39 AM

THis is alyways the same The world cup hasn't started yet, and the English a running about as if they've won the bloody thing. USA3 England0, ay that is from me in SCOTLAND

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: goatfell
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 09:39 AM

ANOTHER BET, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE BEFORE THE ENGLISH TALK ABOUT 1966

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 09:52 AM

And of course we could ask if Scotland have ever won the world cup :-)

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 10:18 AM

Good old Goatfell - any excuse to criticise the English!

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 10:28 AM

Anyway, what did happen in 1966 Goatfell?

Is there some jealosy because the Scots didn't get to the World Cup again?

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 10:38 AM

Up Cubs!! They'll go all the way!!!

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:03 PM

Lets show these 'yanks' what football is all about! Send them back home crying to there 'soccer' LETS HAVE YA!!!!!

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:38 PM

FIFA should change the rule such that managers can only manage their OWN nation - if managers are not important to the COMPETITION, why are foreign managers employed?! And, as I've said in verse, club football should be regulated back to how it was - mostly locals in MEANINGFUL competition.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Smedley
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 01:35 PM

3 - 1 to England.

Spain to beat England 2 - 1 in the final.

Scotland to continue being not bad at curling.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 02:34 PM

Bobby Brown's first match as manager was against the newly crowned world champions England at Wembley Stadium. Despite being underdogs, Scotland won 3–2 thanks to goals from Denis Law, Bobby Lennox and Jim McCalliog. Having defeated the world champions on their own turf, the Scotland fans hailed their team as the "unofficial world champions".......and we were there!

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 04:19 PM

Ake I was working in London then and was at Wembley that day, Jim Baxter give an exhibition at half back for the Scots, Scotland would have beaten England by a far bigger margin if they had concentrated on the game instead of relying on `fancy-dan` football. They were by far the better side, Dennis Law when he scored gave the longest high-fist salute I have ever seen.
Bye the way I wasn`t on the field after the game taking part in tearing the goal posts down, many a Wembley souvenir finished up in Scotland that year.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 04:52 PM

"I have never known the elfs to act so quickly pushing it down into the BS section. "

well, they recognize BS when they see it. ☺

(It sure would help if folks would save the elfs the trouble...)

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 05:17 PM

Wish I had met up with you there ard mhacha, at that time I could handle a "drop o' the hard stuff" and would have enjoyed sharing a glass with you!

A couple of friends and I travelled down from Glasgow on the overnight train...thyink it took about ten hours!

Slainte!

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Smedley
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 05:42 PM

Don't forget, every time a Scot whines about the English harping on about 1966, there's another Scot clinging on in desperation to a fluke result from 1967,,,,,,,,,,

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 05:52 PM

Fluke result? you must be joking, when luck was being handed out England grabbed the lot.

As ard has said, Scotland played them off the park, the score could have been doubled had not the Scots turned on the style...."out of kindness I suppose" (with thanks to Townes) :0)

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Smedley
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 06:07 PM

Yes, petal, you won an inconsequential match.

How many trophies ??

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 06:15 PM

I think England have won one trophy more than the Scots, but Scotland were a better team at the time.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Smedley
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 06:20 PM

Such a shame Scotland didn't qualify for a tournament in which your proposition could have been tested.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: GUEST,AllanC
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 06:46 PM

"Scotland tested against the England 66 side"

Scotland didn't qualify as they were pipped by the Italians in their group - but of course to be fair England didn't actually qualify either. The teams were of course tested against each other on an annual basis and during that time period the Scots actually had a good record against England. England beat Scotland 4-3 in 1966 but that was a run of only one win out of 8 meetings. After the Scottish disaster in 61 the Scots won in 1962, 1963, 1964, 1967 and there were draws in 1965,1968 and 1969. We all know that both have underachieved. As one of the major footballing nations England should have won more than one trophy and of course they have never won anything outside of England. Scotland for a while had a good record at qualifying but then have never progressed further. Sometimes falling on their faces - at other times being desperately unfortunate. Scotland were the top team in football for decades but unfortunately there will be no-one alive who can actually remember it as it was a looong time ago :-)

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 07:04 PM

Yes Allan, before money took over the sport, Scotland produced the cream of UK footballers and managers. The English clubs were falling over themselves to sign Scottish talent in the sixties.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 08:47 PM

Wy are the Scots not coming through with all this money around ?

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: GUEST,AllanC
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 04:45 AM

"Why are Scots not coming through"

That is a great question. The conveyor belt has simply stopped. The Scottish side used to be known for its flair but now they try to stifle the opposition simply because the homegrown talent isn't there. And at that one of true potential superstars we have decided to play for Ireland instead. I imagine if there was a World Cup in computer games we may do well.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 09:03 AM

The population of England should leave the rest of the UK well behind, 51 million in England compared to 5 million Scots, one trophy win in 1966 by this massively populated country. In the sporting world with comparative populations England are well behind the rest of continental Europe,

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 11:38 AM

Germany, Italy and France all have larger populations than England - your point is?

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 01:22 PM

Maybe we could send 25 million up to Scotland to live.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: goatfell
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 01:25 PM

at lest we won the Homeless World Cup and a Scots lady helped Itlay the win the women's world cup and she is from Ayrshire the same county as me, anyway the reason why England won the world cup was every other team had to play at different statidems but England only had to play at Wembley, at Lest Scotland qulified 8 times in a row and we gor a cup for that because We are just a small nation, anyway I just hate Football because of the nutcases that follow it, and that includes Scotland, what about 1978 What happened to England then and in 1967 When Scotland beat the World champions 3-2 at Wembley, but unlike England we don't go on abut it, unlike 1966.
I just hope them best team wins.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: goatfell
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 01:31 PM

so England never qualfied for either the 1966 or 1970 world finals.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 02:36 PM

Didn't have to - that's the rules.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 02:50 PM

>>but unlike England we don't go on abut it<<

Well that wasn't the case when I lived in Scotland.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 03:41 PM

Villan.....I think 25 million of them are here already.
When I go into town I hardly hear a Scottish voice.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 04:35 PM

And my point is Terry Mac, 12 countries have won the European championship from its beginning,Greece, Denmark Portugal Holland Serbia, with very much smaller populations, and there may be the odd small nation I might have left out.
Not forgetting Germany [3], Italy and France, all winners.
England have yet to win this championship, surely this tells you that one solitary World Cup home win, way back in 1966 is a very poor return for a country that prides itself on being a sporting nation.
And yes Scotland`s 5 million more than held its own against England down the years.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 05:21 PM

Akeneton
That must be all the English skilled workers that have been drafted up there. :-)

Wasn't like that when I was up there.

ard
But why are Scotland rubbish now? What went wrong?
They are nothing like the strength they were back in the 70's.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 05:26 PM

Just thought.

Could it be that like England, they have imported so many foreigners, that the grass roots are being stifled.

Its one thing having one of the best leagues in the World, but when you look at all the foreigners in the English teams, it doesn't surprise me that even today, England are not good enough to win the World Cup or the European Cup.

So what chance do Scotland have.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 05:50 PM

Hamilton versus Hearts today had 14 different nationalities in the teams. The quality of these two teams leaves a lot to be desired, but what is worse, is if so many non local players are in the teams, what chance is there for Scottish players to come through.

The same goes for England.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 06:06 PM

Villan couldn't be more right. just an e.g. - I was an Arsenal supporter for over 70 years; but can't see any point at moment in giving loyalty to an entirely foreign team managed by a Frenchman; with one home-bred player [Walcott] included occasionally among regulars & he is off with injuries at present. My cousins can't see my point - but I know where I am coming from. Sooner the 6-5 rule comes in, the better. I know when i started supporting them, their mainstays were two Welshmen, Bryn Jones & Meredith, a Scot, Alex James, & a Cornishman, Bastin - so not exactly a 'local' team even in those days; but it wasn't the same somehow, was it?

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: JenEllen
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 06:27 PM

Tough one. I asked my cousin "homeland or motherland, what's a girl to do?" Answer: "homeland, your mother always forgives you" Go USA.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 02:26 AM

Very good example there MtheGM.

I feel a bit better about the Villa as the team on Saturday consisted of quite a few UK players, namely

Luke Young
Stephen Warnock
Ashley Young
James Milner
Stewart Downing
Gabriel Agbonlahor
Emile Heskey

and of course

Richard Dunne of the Republic of Ireland.

This is what other teams should be striving to do, if we are ever going to improve the quality of our National teams.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: alanabit
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 02:50 AM

I am not sure I go along with that way of thinking. When Manchester United first started winning titles again in the nineties, they had brought in Eric Cantona, who had previously been regarded as "unmanageable". However, his habit of practising after normal training was part of the reason that the skill levels of players like David Beckham, Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes rose to such heights. Ultimately it enriched the standards in the Premier League and in two of those cases, there was a knock on effect for England.
    Going back to the Englad vs USA World Cup match, I think we can expect it to be close. The last time England played the USA in the finals, we lost. We also have to bear in mind that last year the USA beat Spain and nearly beat Brazil in a competition - something England have never even come close to doing. The Americans will be in SA before England and have more time to acclimatise and do altitude preparation. It is also a pipe dream for England to expect to have all their first choice players fully fit and available. It won't happen - there will be seven or eight at the best. We should still be able to beat the USA, but there will not be any room for mistakes.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 03:17 AM

alanabit
I agree players like Cantona can help improve other players skills, but when your team consists maninly of foreigners, then you are limiting the chances of young local players ever getting into the first teams.
Opportunities are very limited for home grown players.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 04:13 AM

"This is what other teams should be striving to do, if we are ever going to improve the quality of our National teams."

Spot on Villan. The reason United were so good in the 1990's is because many of their young players came up from their youth training programme which nurtured their talent and turned them into excellent footballers.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 04:17 AM

Quite, Villan. One fine imported player, Alanabit, as you point out, can inspire a home-based team. But an entirely foreign team, managed by a foreigner, playing in a stadium named for a Middle-Eastern oil oligarchy; who could make a fine Earth XI to play Mars some time but have no connection with North London, or even England, or even GB, except that their oddly-named-for-the-area stadium just happens to be there [& not their traditional one, but a brand-new one, built, as name shows, mainly with foreign oil sponsorship], is surely a very different matter — to put it in Hegelian terms, so enormous a quantative difference as to establish an entire difference qualitatively.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:35 AM

You only have to look at Ajax of Amsterdam. I watched them for 13 years when I lived in Amsterdam.

They have one of the best policies on developing players from a very young age. They don't even stop at that, becuase these players follow their studies as well, supported by the club.

They have been doing this for so many years.

They groom them into the first team normally around the age of 16/17 and by the time they are 20/21 they are selling them to the big clubs around the world and making lots of dosh which pays back their investments.
When these players are just getting to an age in their 30's, they get the best ones back at the club. These players then with their wealth of experience help the youngsters to improve. Big example of that was Johan Cruyff.

I have a great admiration for Ajax

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: ard mhacha
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:45 AM

Real Madrid were not shy about using foreign players years before the English game was taken over by those outsiders whom I was told " wouldn`t stand up to the robust tackling and the cold winters", of course the puny foreigners brought the English game to a much higher level.
To get back to Real Madrid, the south American countries were supplying the Spanish side with great players remember the great Juan Schiffanio and Santamaria, [those two from memory], going back to their famous 5 European Cups in a row 1955-60.
Their 1960 7-3 win over Eintract Franfurt featured two of the worlds greatest Di Stefano and Ferenc Puskas both greats shared the 7 goals between them, Spanish league football was never bettered. There is no harm bringing in class players, the English premier league may be between 4 or 5 top teams but it is good entertainment for the neutral football fan, as for Villa they will always be also-rans, O`Neill needs rich backers otherwise it is a mad scramble for the leftovers.

Subject: RE: Whoo Hoo England V USA World Cup
From: Rasener
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:03 AM

>>as for Villa they will always be also-rans, O`Neill needs rich backers otherwise it is a mad scramble for the leftovers<<

Too true. However, I don't mind too much if we keep bringing in young UK players. Villa's greatest requirement is an excellent young goalscoring centre foward. I like Carew very much, but he is a bit old and injury to him, can affect the Villa badly. Unfortunately Emile "The Donkey" Heskey, doesn't cut it at the Villa.