BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?

Subject: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:05 PM

Reichstag fire

(Feb. 27, 1933) Burning of the German parliament building (Reichstag) in Berlin. Allegedly set by a Dutch communist, the fire was used by Adolf Hitler to turn public opinion against his opponents, especially the communists. He enacted a decree suspending constitutional protection of personal rights, which effectively began the Nazi Party dictatorship. The fire was widely believed to have been set by the Nazis themselves, while others have argued there was no proof of Nazi complicity; it remains the subject of debate and research
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Eric Cantor blames Democrats for 'fanning flames' on threats

By JAKE SHERMAN & PATRICK O'CONNOR | 3/25/10 12:56 PM EDT

House Minority Whip Eric Cantor blamed top Democrats for "fanning the flames" regarding threats to members of Congress — and says his office in Richmond was shot at earlier this week.

Cantor, a Virginia Republican, said the heads of the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee are using allegations of harassment and threats to Democrats nationwide for political purposes.

Cantor said he doesn't release information about the incidents of threats against himself to the media because it would only ratchet up violence. But he did say a bullet shot through the window in his campaign office in Richmond on Monday evening, and he has received threats because he is Jewish.

"[I] have deep concerns that some, DCCC Chairman Chris Van Hollen and DNC Chairman Tim Kaine in particular, are dangerously fanning the flames by suggesting that these incidents be used as a political weapon," Cantor said.

Democrats and Republicans today moved to distance themselves from the violence. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said "we all reject" any derisive language used by protestors Sunday in the lead up to the health care vote. The top House Democrat said protesters and those engaging in violence and threats should not be lumped together.

Meanwhile, House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio said that the "violence and the threats are unacceptable." Tea party organizers across the country have also condemned the threats and vandalism.

Republicans and Democrats have joint statement ready that would condemn the violence and threats directed at members, a Democratic aide said.

DNC Spokesman Brad Woodhouse said their response has been "entirely appropriate."

"Instead of trying to distract from the issue with more attacks, we would ask Mr. Cantor and other Republicans to join Chairman Kaine in working to ratchet down the rhetoric, condemn deplorable behavior and disagree on these issues without being disagreeable," Woodhouse wrote in an e-mailed response.

Cantor, the highest ranking Jew in Congress, said that security threats are not a partisan issue and they should be handled by law enforcement officials.

"I'm not naïve enough to think that letters, statements or press releases will prevent anyone disturbed enough to commit violence from acting," Cantor said. "But I do know that such letters statements and press releases can very easily fan the flames by ratcheting up the rhetoric, some would only inflame these situations to dangerous levels. Enough is enough it has to stop."

Another Republican, Jean Schmidt of Ohio, received a profanity laced voice mail this week in which the caller wished that the congresswoman had broken her back in a recent accident.

Boehner said rancorous debate on the floor of the House has been present over the past several months from both political parties. He said "threats and violence should not be part of a political debate" and denied seeing his members holding "Kill the Bill" signs on a balcony outside the Capitol — Democrats have said this ginned up anger.

He also dismissed calling Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-Ohio) a "dead man," saying he meant it in a political sense. Few noticed the quote before Driehaus himself brought it up, Boehner said.

When asked if Democratic members should be concerned about their safety — as House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Wednesday — Boehner didn't disagree.

"They're in the middle of this and I have no reason to discount what they said," he said.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35021.html#ixzz0jDj4gcN6

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:08 PM

Oh, my, the sins do cry aloude in accusation. False slander? Swyfteboating? Spreading false information? Oh, shame!! Whereever would the kindly conscientious Democrats learn such scurrilous skills? I cannot imagine...



A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:10 PM

Eric Cantor can twist the 10 Commandments to sound like Satan's ideas....

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:27 PM

As can Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Maryrrf
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:32 PM

I'm really ashamed that Eric Cantor is my congressman. I didn't vote for him, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amergin
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:32 PM

Just typical one of our local Nazi's would post something like this....good job Bruce...maybe you should go out and burn some crosses while you're at it.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:43 PM

Amerigin,

It is the Democrats who are burning crosses.


I see that NO ONE can contradict the facts, and you all attack either the Congressman or the poster instead of addressing the facts.

I think that my point is proven, and see no reasion to bother listening to anything that some here have posted. Too bad- on occasiuon, I have learned from them, but now I know what they are.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amergin
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:46 PM

Yeah? who are the ones making death threats against members of congress, calling them filthy racially motivated names? Your republicans.

Go don your white hood and march for "pride".

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:47 PM

OfA fundraises off threats

The Democrats continue to take political advantage of reports of Republican vandalism and threats, with the head of the Obama campaign organization, Mitch Stewart, referring to the incident at Tom Perriello's brother's house in a fundraising appeal.

He writes:

A conservative blogger posted the home address of Congressman Tom Perriello, urging tea partiers to "drop by." Other members have had death threats. Democratic offices have been vandalized.

Please chip in $5 or more to defend health reform -- and those in Congress who fought to make it possible.

Full email after the jump.

Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:10:42 -0400

From:

[e-mail]

Subject: Urgent -- we need to act

Friend --

We knew that power concedes nothing. So did President Obama. So did the members of Congress who courageously voted for reform, knowing that the special interests and the extreme right wing would retaliate swiftly.

The attacks are fierce. Deceptive ads are hitting the airwaves in swing districts. GOP lawmakers are pushing to repeal reform -- and preventing the Senate from performing basic functions. A few Republican attorneys general have launched a baseless attack to overturn the legislation. But that's not even the worst of it.

A conservative blogger posted the home address of Congressman Tom Perriello, urging tea partiers to "drop by." Other members have had death threats. Democratic offices have been vandalized.

Please chip in $5 or more to defend health reform -- and those in Congress who fought to make it possible.Showing support for reform and those who fought for it is our number one priority right now. We're going all-out, organizing grassroots events around the country, running supportive ads on the air, and making sure that every American knows the truth about the historic legislation that representatives voted into law.

Members of Congress know that reform would not have passed without all of your incredible work. But we also know that it would not have passed without their courage.

Together, along with President Obama, we beat the insurance companies and brought affordable coverage to 32 million without it, reduced costs for families and small businesses, and created the toughest patient protections in history.

A few weeks ago, we made a simple promise to these representatives: You fight for health reform, we'll fight for you. It's time to hold up our end of the deal.

Please donate $5 or more:https://donate.barackobama.com/DefendThanks,

Mitch

Mitch Stewart

Director

Organizing for America

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:50 PM

I remember the GOP of Nixon's day trying to claim that Democrats burgled their own headquarters at the Watergate to drum up sympathy.

Same old lies. Sumbitches will try to spin anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:50 PM

Amerigin,

"Yeah? who are the ones making death threats against members of congress, calling them filthy racially motivated names? Your republicans."


1. Death threats? like the ones against Bush? Like the ones against anyone who opposed Obama?

2. The comments that have been criticised by BOTH sides have NOT been shown to be said by Republicans OR Democrats: BOTH sides have said they were "beyond the pale", and it is being investigated. Only one of Obama's "Black Shirts" would place blame when they did not have any evidence to support it.

Heil Amerigin!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amergin
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:57 PM

Who made death threats against Bush? Or to anyone opposed to Obama?

At least lefties don't go around posting bullshit other people wrote because we are too ignorant and lazy to have an original thought in their head.

BTW I am not an Obama supporter, I am just sick of idiots like yourself going around screaming fascism, or socialism, when you have no clue what those words mean. You use them interchangeably. There again you make assumptions.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 05:24 PM

"Who made death threats against Bush? Or to anyone opposed to Obama?"

You missed the 10,000+ pictures I showed Bobert when he claimed the same?




"At least lefties don't go around posting bullshit other people wrote because we are too ignorant and lazy to have an original thought in their head."

BULLSHIT! I will not waste the bandwidth to show all the posts that Amos cut and pasted against Bush.





"BTW I am not an Obama supporter, I am just sick of idiots like yourself going around screaming fascism, or socialism, when you have no clue what those words mean. You use them interchangeably. There again you make assumptions. "


I have only pointed out that the National Socialists used the same type of "Blame the enemy to take power" that Obama is presently doing.

They also built good roads, which we modeled our interstate system on. But YOU have to attack the person, instead of debating the facts- that makes YOU the fascist, not me.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 05:30 PM

Don't feed the troll, folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: DougR
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 05:46 PM

Kat: I don't think beardedbruce is a troll, he merely has an opinion that differs from yours and other contributors to this thread.

Amergin: I assume you have PROOF that Republicans are responsible for all of the things you accuse them of. I think rather than wasting time posting your information on the Mudcat, you would do a far better service to our country by sharing your information with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The number is in the phone book (look under Federal).

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 06:26 PM

The mindless filibustering by Republicans on healthcare shows that they have in fact no respect for democracy. Those who do (oddly called democrats) have only one choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 06:31 PM

Republican leaders have been encouraging and inciting violence from their supporters for the last few years. There is more than ample video and other evidence to prove this. Blaming the Democrats for what the Republicans have been doing consistently for years is pretty dishonest. But that's hardly anything new.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 06:56 PM

Sup with the devil you need a long spoon. Tea spoons maybe tend to be a bit too short.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:15 PM

I think Bruce, is right is accusing Cantor of shooting his own office.

Who else would do it?

Some anti-NRA liberal?


Doug the Republicans are on public recorded record egging the Teabaggers and militia men on. No one is accusing those cowardly weasels in suits of doing violence themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:20 PM

Eric Canter, who BTW is my representative, is a pathological liar, a creep and an arrogant jerk... He would sell his own mother to win an election...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:41 PM

This place can attract shit faster than my work boots ...

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: kendall
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:51 PM

And I would remind you all that personal attacks are not permitted!

If you can't make your point without name calling you don't have much of a point.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:59 PM

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Mexican Cornbread

    Ingredients
                  1 cup butter, melted
                  1 cup white sugar
                  4 eggs
                  1 (15 ounce) can cream-style corn
                  1/2 (4 ounce) can chopped green chile peppers, drained
                  1/2 cup shredded Monterey Jack cheese
                  1/2 cup shredded Cheddar cheese
                  1 cup all-purpose flour
                  1 cup yellow cornmeal
                  4 teaspoons baking powder
                  1/4 teaspoon salt

    Directions
       1) Preheat oven to 300 degrees F (150 degrees C). Lightly grease a 9x13 inch baking dish.
       2) In a large bowl, beat together butter and sugar. Beat in eggs one at a time. Blend in cream corn, chiles, Monterey Jack and Cheddar cheese.
       3) In a separate bowl, stir together flour, cornmeal, baking powder and salt. Add flour mixture to corn mixture; stir until smooth. Pour batter into prepared pan.
       4) Bake in preheated oven for 1 hour, until a toothpick inserted into center of the pan comes out clean.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 08:12 PM

The use of fear tactics to assume power was demonstrated by RUmsfield, by W, by Rove to several orders of magnitude more effect than anything OPbama has done. The comparison is ridiculous on the face of it, Bruce. Do I need to remind you about the axis of evil, the WMD, the near-term nuclear capability of Iraq, the missiles able to reach our shores--all complete bushwah? C'mon. His den of liars was thicker than slime mold on the corpse of due process.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 09:10 PM

Amos,

Obama has been doing all the rest that Bush did, so why not?


You seem to ignore the prohibited missles found in Iraq, the chemical weapons ( hundreds of artillary shells) , and the active PROGRAM of WMD development that was found. I know you want to believe you can rewrite what happened, but Obama has not taken over EVERYTHING yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:01 AM

Bruce,

That is a fantasy. Besides, Bush and Cheney and Rice were talking about mushroom clouds, not 20 year old artillery shells. The fear mongering was there. I saw it on "Meet the Press" with my own eyes.


On the other hand, saying that the Democrats were attacking themselves as the NAZIs started that fire is beyond stupid.

Did Congressman Lewis spit on himself?
Did Barney Frank call himself "Faggot?"

I don't think so.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Songbob
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:08 AM

The police have concluded that the shot that hit "Cantor's office" was actually fired into the air, and struck the window of a meeting room OCCASIONALLY used by Cantor's staff (their offices are elsewhere in the building) while on its downward path, breaking the window but not even penetrating the window-blinds. The shot seems to have been random, and bears as much relationship to an "attack" as the stray shot that bounced off Lou Dobbs' house last year (his rural home was hit by a spent shell during hunting season).

And Cantor used this to blame Democrats of exaggerating the threats!

Republicans have raised the art of "playing the ref" to a high art, which is why they are called Right-Whingers. They have inflamed the passions of the "tea party" (which itself is a wholly-owned subsidiary of AHIP and the GOP -- look up the history of the funding of the early "town meeting" protests if you don't believe me) and loosed the dogs of racism, fear, and abject stupidity on the public, and refuse to take responsibility for the same.

Death panels
Socialism
Tyranny
Baby-killers
And more

... are the names and claims they made, rhetoric so overblown and extreme that thinking people realize they are simply lying. But those who choose not to think for themselves take those claims as Gospel and act on them.

The Tea Klux Klan has now claimed that the Congressmen they spat on and shouted epithets at brought it on themselves by walking through the crowd! You can't make up things like this!

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:26 AM

So, please remember to carry on a peaceful discussion. I deleted the worst of the personal attacks.
By the way, what's that Internet rule? - Something like: if you resort to making reference to Nazis, you lose the debate. If that's the case, this debate was lost by the thread title.
Bruce, please try to remember that thread titles are supposed to describe the contents of the thread, not make a political statement.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 03:15 AM

The pattern with the Republicans has been to identify a dire threat, describe a way to neutralize the threat, and then give the order to do it. All using plausible deniability. Take Sarah Palin, for instance. She identified the threat by describing the Democrats who were trying to pass the health care reform bill as people who were out to kill your grandma and who were going to set up "death panels" who would issue death orders for anyone they deemed no longer productive. She described the method by superimposing rifle cross hairs over a map showing the locations of the people who supported the bill, and she gave the order when she said, "don't retreat, instead, reload". And soon after that, the people on her hit list started getting death threats. That's incitement.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 03:43 AM

STOP!!!

I seriously think, after either listening to, or watching the 'news' media, that the desired effect is beginning to take hold! I listened to Rush, and Hannity on the radio,...then watched ABC, and MSNBC, then listened to NPR's 'interview' about these various charges and topics.

I wanted to see how they were being reported, and what was being said, about each other, and I was quite amazed. Personally I'm beginning NOT to believe EITHER SIDE!!!...and that a lot of this is contrived propaganda to CREATE hostilities amongst us all. I'm beginning to see more clearly, what I have suspected for some time..and that is, that the agenda of yet another 'behind the scenes' player(players), is fanning the fires, and distorting the facts, yes and possibly even create attacks on themselves, to blame the other, for the purpose of instigating civil unrest......

Yes, there were charges made, from the Dems...but hardly any evidence to back up the charges..HOWEVER, some of their criticism of the Repubs, were NOT ALL WRONG EITHER!!

I firmly believe that the rhetoric on BOTH sides has been a bit inflammatory, to further DIVIDE us, than it is accurately reporting FACTS!

Before you all begin strangling each other, and hating each other, try watching and listening to how both sides are reporting, and exaggerating, and even spinning the stories! Believe none of it...just listen to the divisiveness, and watch the results...and DON'T get dragged into it, and fooled AGAIN!

Make music......not arguments to make your brothers and sisters your 'enemy'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 03:56 AM

The evidence is out there in video and print form, GfS. We can see for ourselves the way the Republicans and their media mouthpieces have been inciting violence. It's right there out in the open for everyone to see. As are the results, which are being investigated by the FBI.

I have been very aware of what they have been doing, not because the news media told me about it during the last few days, but because I have been observing it myself for the last two or three years. You can't brainwash me in to believing that what I have been observing for the last two or three years never happened just because you say it didn't. That's just not going to work.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:06 AM

Yes, Carol, it is being INVESTIGATED by the FBI, but the investigation is not complete. Right now a lot of this stuff is ONLY allegations, and some of it is showing No truth, and some is has NOT been determined WHO ACTUALLY DID what is being charged....That is ALSO being reported...so let's not jump to emotional driven conclusions!

There are CLEARLY, VERY CLEARLY, LIES being told and believed on both sides. Let not your political inclinations blind your eyes to this....besides, "A wise man(woman) hears ALL, before he(she) speaks", ..and we have NOT HEARD ENOUGH, with PROOF, as to who and what is being done, by whom!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:14 AM

Oh, I am sure the Americans of African descent Congresspeople coordinated being spit on and having racial slurs yelled at them, as well as Barney Franks made a deal to be called faggot by some yelling, seeming maniac. Yup...going back to the incitement over the years, I am sure a couple of pro-choice, abortion-providers who were gunned down in their home and church planned all of that, too. Might as well have strapped suicide bombs to them and let them go out being martyrs. Good grief, logic is scarce around these parts.

BTW, as a registered Democrat, I have requested a name change to this thread. So far, no go. I feel it is a personal attack on those of us who support President Obama, intimating we are "nazis" and I think it should be modified. I also abhor the fact it will probably attract bnp thugs.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:23 AM

Like I said, GfS, the incitement is all right there out in the open for everyone to see.

The Capitol Hill police consider the threats to be legitimate, and they have beefed up security. Members of Congress who have been receiving threats have been provided with added protection. The authorities are taking these threats very seriously. It's not just Democrats crying wolf.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:30 AM

With all the video recordings of the events, no one has caught anyone calling Frank a fagot, nor has anyone caught people spitting on each other,..but their was video of a man cupping his mouth to be heard, and that was 'reported' as he was spitting.....but the video offers no proof of that.

Please don't be a naive dupe. Don't believe ANYTHING reported, that cannot be proved, nor believe ANY politicians claims of threats, though I'm sure they get them, unless they are proved!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 06:54 AM

GfS... if they had closeup video of the incidents and interviewed the perps bragging about it, you would claim it was staged. These things ARE happening.....and the incidents from the right outnumber anything from the left both in number and in degree.

(no, bb... you cannot find a similar Dem example for every stupid Rep breach of decency....even though, as I have noted for years, that's your standard argument form)

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 11:06 AM

From: olddude
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:41 PM

This place can attract shit faster than my work boots ...



Geez olddude, where do you work?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 11:23 AM

"Bruce, please try to remember that thread titles are supposed to describe the contents of the thread, not make a political statement.
-Joe- "

"BTW, as a registered Democrat, I have requested a name change to this thread. So far, no go. I feel it is a personal attack on those of us who support President Obama, intimating we are "nazis" and I think it should be modified. I also abhor the fact it will probably attract bnp thugs.

kat "


BS: KKK/Tea Party Day


Free speech is a wonderful thing, as long as you don't let those you disagree with have it...

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: olddude
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:02 PM

Neil
LOL, trying to clean up my yard from Weiner dogs .. LOL and I wasn't referring to anyone, just the storm these topics always bring ... anyway here is my take on this topic for sure:

Sunny Side Of Life
        

There's a dark and a troubled side of life
There's a bright and a sunny side, too
Though we meet with the darkness and strife
The sunny side we also may view.

   Keep on the sunny side always on the sunny side
   Keep on the sunny side of life
   It will help us every day it will brighten all the way
   If we keep on the sunny side of life.

The storm and its fury broke today
Brushing hopes that we've cherished so dear
Cloud and storm will in time pass away
The sun again will shine bright and clear.

Let us breathe with a song of hope each day
Though the moments be cloudy or fair
Let us trust in our Saviour away
He keepeth everyone in his care.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:20 PM

The title of this thread is an excellent example of the kind of underhanded rhetoric that marks the very worst of poltiical yammer, and is in fact thinly disguised hate-speech with no redeeming social value. It is designed not to encourage communication, but to crush it under a blanket of over-associative fear and repulsion. Oh, and it is also a low-class mud-brained insult.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:31 PM

Amos,

Your lack of comment when others post similar threads that you agreed with gives you no room to comment now.


I had to aim my insults at the people posting- so if it is low class, that is just a reflection upon you.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:38 PM

They have plenty of physical evidence of the things that have been done, GfS. There's a brick with a note stuck to it, a cut gas line, and a lot of recorded phone messages.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 01:08 PM

Gee, and Amos and Bruce get along so well together when they see each other in person.....

(come to think about it, I was sitting between them, which may have helped to keep the peace)

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 02:21 PM

Joe,

Amos and I are friends- we just don't agree with each other on political things. I endeavor to treat him here in the threads just as he treats me. - The golden rule applied.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 02:26 PM

I know, Bruce - but you guys make me laugh....other people take your squabbling so seriously.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 02:36 PM

Bruce:

Your effort to blame me for your poor taste is understandable, but it will not shift responsibility. In all fairness we should both strive to be more eloquent and articulate, and less histrionic, in our postings. But the idea that you are bitching in order to stoop to my level is just more of the same old rhetorical dishwater.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 02:37 PM

I am not responsible for the errors of other people-


I have enough of my own to deal with.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 02:40 PM

Amos,

I accept responsibility for my postings: When will you accept it for yours?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 02:47 PM

Thanks for the good news, Bruce. Let me point out that I have never blamed my postings on you, while you have repeatedly insisted you were just imitating my example in your own decisions, I know that is not your basic nature, and it always rang very false whenever you used it as an excuse.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 05:38 PM

Keep your fingers crossed, with all this hysteria and incitement.

A sobering statistic: every President since Franklin Roosevelt has faced at least one assassination attempt, apart from Eisenhower.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 05:49 PM

Hey BB, I thought this thread was about a speech by someone that used to be against reconciliation.

"Free and open debate on the Senate floor ensures citizens a say in their government.   The American people are heard, through their Senator, before their money is spent, before their civil liberties are curtailed, or before a judicial nominee is confirmed for a lifetime appointment.    We are the guardians, the stewards, the protectors of our people.   Our voices are their voices.

If we restrain debate on judges today, what will be next: the rights of the elderly to receive social security; the rights of the handicapped to be treated fairly; the rights of the poor to obtain a decent education?   Will all debate soon fall before majority rule?

Will the majority someday trample on the rights of lumber companies to harvest timber, or the rights of mining companies to mine silver, coal, or iron ore?   What about the rights of energy companies to drill for new sources of oil and gas?   How will the insurance, banking, and securities industries fare when a majority can move against their interests and prevail by a simple majority vote?   What about farmers who can be forced to lose their subsidies, or Western Senators who will no longer be able to stop a majority determined to wrest control of ranchers' precious water or grazing rights?   With no right of debate, what will forestall plain muscle and mob rule?

Many times in our history we have taken up arms to protect a minority against the tyrannical majority in other lands. We, unlike Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy, have never stopped being a nation of laws, not of men. But witness how men with motives and a majority can manipulate law to cruel and unjust ends. Historian Alan Bullock writes that Hitler's Dictatorship rested on the constitutional foundation of a single law, the Enabling Law. Hitler needed a two-thirds vote to pass that law, and he succeeded.

Hitler's originality lay in his realization that effective revolutions, in modern conditions, are carried out with, and not against, the power of the State: the correct order of events was first to secure access to that power and then begin his revolution. Hitler never abandoned the cloak of legality; he recognized the enormous psychological value of having the law on his side. Instead, he turned the law inside out and made illegality legal.

That is what the nuclear option seeks to do to rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate. The people generally don't know what this is about. The nuclear option seeks to alter the rules by sidestepping the rules, thus making the impermissible the rule, employing the nuclear option, engaging a pernicious, procedural maneuver to serve immediate partisan goals, risks violating our Nation's core democratic values and poisoning the Senate's deliberative process.

For the temporary gain of a handful of out-of-the-mainstream judges, some in the Senate are ready to callously incinerate each and every Senator's right of extended debate. Note that I said each Senator. Note that I said every Senator. For the damage will devastate not just the minority party -- believe me, hear me, and remember what I say -- the damage will devastate not just the minority party, it will cripple the ability of each Member, every Member, to do what each Member was sent here to do -- namely, represent the people of his or her State. Without the filibuster -- it has a bad name, old man filibuster out there. Most people would be happy to say let's do away with him. We ought to get rid of that fellow; he has been around too long. But someday that old man filibuster is going to help me, you, and every Senator in here at some time or other, when the rights of the people he or she represents are being violated or threatened. That Senator is then going to want to filibuster. He or she is going to want to stand on his or her feet as long as their brass lungs will carry their voice.

No longer. If the nuclear option is successful here, no longer will each Senator have that weapon with which to protect the people who sent him or her here. And the people finally are going to wake up to who did it. They are going to wake up to it sooner or later and ask: Who did this to us?

Without the filibuster or the threat of extended debate, there exists no leverage with which to bargain for the offering of an amendment. All force to effect compromise between the parties will be lost. Demands for hearings will languish. The President can simply rule. The President of the United States can simply rule by Executive order, if his party controls both Houses of Congress and majority rule reigns supreme. In such a world, the minority will be crushed, the power of dissenting views will be diminished, and freedom of speech will be attenuated. The uniquely American concept of the independent individual asserting his or her own views, proclaiming personal dignity through the courage of free speech will forever have been blighted. This is a question of freedom of speech. That is what we are talking about -- freedom of speech. And the American spirit, that stubborn, feisty, contrarian, and glorious urge to loudly disagree, and proclaim, despite all opposition, what is honest, what is true, will be sorely manacled.

Yes, we believe in majority rule, but we thrive because the minority can challenge, agitate, and ask questions. We must never become a nation cowed by fear, sheeplike in our submission to the power of any majority demanding absolute control.

Generations of men and women have lived, fought, and died for the right to map their own destiny, think their own thoughts, speak their own minds. If we start here, in this Senate, to chip away at that essential mark of freedom -- here of all places, in a body designed to guarantee the power of even a single individual through the device of extended debate -- we are on the road to refuting the principles upon which that Constitution rests."

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 06:05 PM

""I see that NO ONE can contradict the facts, and you all attack either the Congressman or the poster instead of addressing the facts.""

Produce evidence that what you believe is in fact true, and we'll be able to discuss the FACTS.

So far all we have is another smoke and mirrors conspiracy tale.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 09:12 PM

I'll be dad-burned, Old Dude. You have posted something I have wanted post for a while.

I think some people here are always doomy and gloomy when they should think about what is right in the world and try to improve on that rather than pissing and moaning about things that they don't like.

There's a dark and a troubled side of life
There's a bright and a sunny side, too
Though we meet with the darkness and strife
The sunny side we also may view.

You can be a winner or a loser, take your pick.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 10:26 PM

For the record, seein' as Amos and BB have exchanged nicities, I like bruce, too... Yeah, he is a knothead but what the hey???

BTW, Joe, thanks fir not deleting my post about Eric Cantor... I mean, yeah, if Cantor joined Mudcat then it would be a different story but Eric ain't into music so I don't much have to worry you deleting anything I say about the creep...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 05:47 AM

I'm a communist sympathizer
I know it makes me wiser
To pretend to be,
Across the sea,
To see what those people,
Really think of me.
When I jump into their brain,
Whoooops!
I know fighting so insane,
As everybody knows,
A rose is a rose, is a rose

I'm a capitalist sympathizer,
I know it makes me wiser,
To try to change the hearts,
Of those at home..
Because when we're apart,
I'm so alone.
Just look into the midst,
Of a bunch of card carrying capitalists,
But what I'm really seeing,
Is another human being,
Trying desperately hard, To be free!

Who ever calls another,
'A dirty communist mother'
Is living in the past, somehow,
He's afraid of 'now',
He's all involved with money,
"Well now payin' bills ain't funny,
And "You can't live on brad alone',
You need a little toast!
And the best things in life,
Really cost the most.....

That's why I'm a HUMAN sympathizer,
The best things will never make you wiser, friend,
It's best to be,
No thing you see,
Then you'll be entirely free,
But because of fear,
Not many hear,
But to those few.............
.....................I love you!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 05:50 AM

Posted it again, because of a typo......enjoy!


I'm a communist sympathizer
I know it makes me wiser
To pretend to be,
Across the sea,
To see what those people,
Really think of me.
When I jump into their brain,
Whoooops!
I know fighting so insane,
As everybody knows,
A rose is a rose, is a rose

I'm a capitalist sympathizer,
I know it makes me wiser,
To try to change the hearts,
Of those at home..
Because when we're apart,
I'm so alone.
Just look into the midst,
Of a bunch of card carrying capitalists,
But what I'm really seeing,
Is another human being,
Trying desperately hard, To be free!

Who ever calls another,
'A dirty communist mother'
Is living in the past, somehow,
He's afraid of 'now',
He's all involved with money,
"Well now payin' bills ain't funny,
And "You can't live on bread alone',
You need a little toast!
And the best things in life,
Really cost the most.....

That's why I'm a HUMAN sympathizer,
The best things will never make you wiser, friend,
It's best to be,
No thing you see,
Then you'll be entirely free,
But because of fear,
Not many hear,
But to those few.............
.....................I love you!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 08:02 AM

Amen, GfS...

Pro-humanism is where it is at... The rest are details...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 01:01 PM

I think there are far too many references to NAZIs and the KKK and communism and socialism in debates of 2010. Such references in my opinion should be confined to those who actually perpetrate and praise those philosophies.

The exchange of ideas would be a lot more clear if we stuck to reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:33 AM

Thanks, Bobert.....just wanted to clear things up.

Regards,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 03:35 AM

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w161/kynandog_photos/CantorBk.jpg

(This is one of those times when I wish we could embed pictures in threads.)

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:11 PM

I guess posting that Photoshop doctored pic is a promotion of peace, tolerance, and good will amongst our pro-'love' liberal constituents.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:42 PM

Gfs,

Its humor. It is equating Cantor with the woman, during the Presidential campaign who mutilated herself and blamed it on a made up Obama supporter. A somewhat apt comparison considering his hysterics over a bullet that did not even penetrate his blinds.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:47 PM

I think the picture makes a very valid point, GfS. Perhaps you are unaware of the background of what the picture is representing.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:08 PM

Jack the Sailor...."A somewhat apt comparison considering his hysterics over a bullet that did not even penetrate his blinds."

GfS: ......and, from reports in, was from a randomly fired shot........
but then, I'm sure when a shot comes into your home, one would at least wonder where it came from...and why.

Considering the recent hysterics, and fanned hostility amongst the radically divided extremes..............well, you fill in the blanks!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:17 PM

If a shot pierced the glass but not the blinds, I wouldn't go out and say that Democrats are shooting at themselves and blaming the Republicans. That would be a stupid thing to do. If I were to do it, I would expect to be ridiculed. Is it possible that in this instance at least, I'm smarter than Cantor?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 08:43 AM

The bullet that hit Cantor's window did so at a downward angle like you would get from a gun fired into the air from a distance away. It was almost certainly not targeted at his office, it just happened to come down there. Cantor was trying to use the incident to create a false equivalency with the Democrat legislators whose offices and homes really were targeted. Repubs would rather fool the public into thinking these attacks are coming from both ends of the political spectrum than acknowledge that THEIR supercharged rhetoric is causing the fringe of THEIR base to act out violently.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 12:48 PM

"nor has anyone caught people spitting on each other..."

Look here ...

Now some are claiming that it was just spray from the shouting the guy using his hands as a megaphone was doing, but to me, any shouting that gets that much spray is as violent and virulent as a deliberate spitting action. Maybe even worse than just spitting, since it indicates a pretty-nearly-complete loss of control of onseself, a rabid-dogism that speaks of uncontrollable emotions, and I'm sorry, but uncontrollable emotions are not something a civilized society should promote in the nature of public discourse.

That is, if you're crazy enough to be shouting and spraying your elected representatives, you probably shouldn't be out in public. It speaks ill of your upbringing, and ill of any side that promotes it. It was wrong for the hippies, and is wrong for the Tea-gaggers, too. It harks back to the genuine Klan, and should be shunned by all thinking people, not apologized for and subtly (or not-so) encouraged by those seeking political power.

In other words, if you have to rouse the rabble to get power, you are probably not worthy of that power, and you also will find it harder to keep it, since a roused anti-government mob will likely still be anti-government when that government is in your hands.

Can you say, "playing with matches in a dynamite factory?" I thought you could.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 02:38 PM

Songbob: "That is, if you're crazy enough to be shouting and spraying your elected representatives, you probably shouldn't be out in public. It speaks ill of your upbringing, and ill of any side that promotes it."

I watched you video link several times, carefully...and it does not appear that the protester was spitting at the congressman. Though, I can understand that people would want to claim differently, depending on your pre-disposition, of taking sides. Never in the video does the protester fill his mouth with a breath or anything like that to propel any intentional spit. Look closer, with an mind for impartial observing.

Then, let it go.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:18 PM

By the way, in reference to a something posted a while back about reconciliation, the vast majority of the health care reform law was passed without the use of reconciliation. The vast majority was passed with a clear majority in the House, and a super majority in the Senate. Only a very small portion (which wasn't even a part of the larger bill, but was a separate bill) was passed using reconciliation.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:21 PM

It's quite clear that the congressman flinched and then wiped off his face. That shows that he was spit upon even if we can't see the spit.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 08:04 PM

Carol, I re-watched the video...That's quite a jump you make there. What is seen is, the congressman, wipe his own lips, after looking at his own hand. However, you can INTERPRET it any way you WANT, depending on your pre-disposition, to believe what you want. There is NOT enough evidence of the protester INTENTIONALLY spitting on the congressman. The rest is a S---T----R------E--------T--------C-----H!!
Just to be fair, let's not jump the bandwagon for an assumption.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 08:31 PM

GfS Are you the guy that spat? Cousin? Uncle? Mother? Otherwise why do you insist on looking so foolish to defend him?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 10:49 PM

I'm not anything or anybody you asked, neither am I 'defending' him. I'm merely saying, that what is on the video is inconclusive. I think you may want to be a little more discriminating in what you are led to believe, by inconclusive 'evidence', or you'll be the target for be easily emotionally stirred up, and therefore easy to dupe. He may or may have not splattered on him while yelling...the congressman might be wiping his lips from the flap of yelling back. You don't know, and I don't know...but I'm certainly NOT going to take someone else's 'opinion' for it. That's being just plain stupidly gullible!!!
You may want to re-think it.

respectfully,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 11:39 PM

If you look earlier in the video, you can see him recoiling from something right as he walks past the man whose hands are cupped to his face. He confronts the man at that point and after that, as he is walking away, he wipes off his face with a disgusted look on his face. It's about as obvious as it's possible to be. Anyone who can't see that simply doesn't want to see it.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:05 AM

Eric Canter was an excellent performer right up there with Al Jolson, IMO.
Check this out.
Susie

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:36 AM

CarolC, Your reading way too much into what you don't know...with all do respect.
Learn the lesson from Dr. Leakey, the renowned paleoanthropologist.

In 1969 the discovery of a cranium of Paranthropus boisei caused great excitement. A Homo habilis skull (KNM ER 1470) and a Homo erectus skull (KNM ER 3733), discovered in 1972 and 1975, respectively, were among the most significant finds of Leakey's earlier expeditions. In 1978 an intact cranium of Homo erectus (KNM ER 3883) was discovered.

When he arrived in Britain, the press was excited, and asked him to comment on his find, and tried to get him to speculate, as to what the humans were like. "Were they tool makers??" they asked. "Did they make pottery?" "Were they agricultural?" "what about their social habits?" "Were they a patriarchal or matriarchal society"...so on and so forth.

Dr. Richard Leakey blown away by their questions, answered them as direct, and as sure as he could, with his famous statement..."All I know," as he pointed to a map, "Is I found the bone, here!"

Get it??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:35 AM

GfS, If you can't read body language its nothing to be ashamed of, Lots of people have some form of autism.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:38 AM

Seamus
How about this one???
Eric Can't-er from the "Party of No"

I got a million of 'em and they are all just as bad... Myuk Myuk Myuk!!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:46 AM

It's not a bone that was found buried in the ground. That's a specious comparison. It's body language and normal human behavioral responses. And it's a series of events that we can clearly see. So you tell me what other interpretation there could be for someone recoiling away from someone who is clearly behaving in a hostile manner, confronting that person, and then wiping their face looking disgusted as they walk away.

Or maybe you would be more inclined to attribute normal human behavioral responses to the person in question if he or she was white.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 11:45 AM

Spray a black congressman, and your entire party are racist goons: Threaten to kill a Jew and his family and JtS thinks it ok to joke about it.


"It's about as obvious as it's possible to be. Anyone who can't see that simply doesn't want to see it. "




"Man arrested for Cantor death threat
By: Jake Sherman
March 29, 2010 01:18 PM EDT

Federal authorities have arrested a Philadelphia man and charged him with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and his family.

Norman Leboon will be charged with two federal counts: threatening to kill a member of Congress and interfering with his federal duties, and posting video online containing such threats. He is scheduled to appear in federal district court in Philadelphia on Monday afternoon.

The arrest is the most serious in a string of threats of violence against lawmakers in wake of the divisive health care vote. At least 10 Democrats along with a handful of Republicans, including Cantor, reported threats of violence during the past week. "

entire article

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 11:49 AM

I bet that if GfS had been the one who was spit on, he'd have a bit more to say about it.

Carol hit it precisely... there is no comparison between one buried bone and an event that has BOTH video evidence and the recollections of those in the tape.
If there had been clear, direct video for 3 different angles, complete with close-ups, I suppose GfS would speculate on what the congressman had done to upset the nice fellow who was, after all, just exercising his 1st amendment rights....

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 11:55 AM

"Police had a warrant to arrest Leboon on separate charges of terroristic threats with intent to terrorize another, simple assault and recklessly endangering another person.

Leboon was arrested March 27 and told the FBI that he used his cell phone video camera to make the video. He also admitted, according to the affidavit, that he had made more than 2,000 threatening videos.

He told the FBI, according to the affidavit, that he is the "son of the god of Enoch" and further said Cantor is "pure evil" and will be dead.

Leboon does not appear to be particularly politically active, but he does appear to have donated to President Barack Obama. On back-to-back days in June 2008, a man who called himself "Norman Leboon Sr" from Philadelphia gave $255 and $250 to Obama for America."

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:09 PM

Your point is completely obscured by your umbrage, Bruce.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:13 PM

No, Amos, it is not.

My point is that a single person who sprays a black congressman while shouting is "proof" that all conservatives are racist ( according to those here) while an admitted death threat against a Jewish Congressman by an Obama supporter is laughed off.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:25 PM

That's absurd, Bruce; all conservatives are not racist and I have seen no-one here asserting that idea. It makes no sense.

What is being asserted here is that the Tea Party and their RNC sponsors have fomented extremes of antagonism, anger, and hateful speech. This is hardly arguable as it has been a matter of public record, that last video being only one example.

As for the death threat, I see no-one laughing it off. Nor is the suspect much of an Obama supporter to speak of according to the article. Why cast this in such a polarizing light? It isn't even accurate. It is a serious offense, by one highly disturbed individual. It is contrasted with a much more widely-spread, organized and deliberate cloud of hateful noise being stirred up by rabble-rousing techniques on the part of presumably mature citizens and their presumably responsible representatives. I don't think these two reports stand up to being conflated this way.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:30 PM

"That's absurd, Bruce; all conservatives are not racist and I have seen no-one here asserting that idea. It makes no sense."

I agree it makes no sense, but for you not to have seen it requires a willful blindness upon your part.



You think that Obama's declaring that any opponants to HIS particular Medical Reform bill are trying to kill off the uninsured is not rabble-rousing???

You are not only blind, but deaf as well. TRY listening to what the Democrats are saying, and THEN tell me that people who disagree are any worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:37 PM

Leboon's not an Obama supporter. He has threatened Obama and the Democratic leadership just as much as he has threatened Cantor. So you can't blame that one on Obama supporters or anything said by any Democrats. And you can't make an equivalency between this guy and the campaign of hate coming from Republicans and teabaggers against Democrats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdOfwx6I3kQ&feature=player_embedded#

I'm having some difficulty figuring out who this guy isn't against. Except maybe the Dalai Lama. I think he's probably Schizophrenic. I'm guessing this guy had nothing whatever to do with the bullet found in Cantor's window.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:51 PM

By the way, some people are making this guy out to be a Muslim, but he's not. He claims to be Jesus, the son of God, and he also claims to be the final Prophet. He sees himself as transcending all religions and being at the pinnacle of all religious belief...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2_19RDfXMU&feature=related

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:58 PM

Pray point me if you would to what I have wilfully blinded myself to. And accept the possibility I may have entirely inadvertently overlooked some post, rather than casting your acidic aspersions.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:10 PM

CarolC,

Leboon does not appear to be particularly politically active, but he does appear to have donated to President Barack Obama. On back-to-back days in June 2008, a man who called himself "Norman Leboon Sr" from Philadelphia gave $255 and $250 to Obama for America.


Far more evidence than you have presented that ANY of those who insulted Democrats were Tea Party members. ( Since you have presented none)

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:13 PM

Amos,

"And accept the possibility I may have entirely inadvertently overlooked some post, rather than casting your acidic aspersions."

Sorry, I will use the lessons you have taught, and endeavor to be only half as caustic as you have been.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:21 PM

I don't think the guy who is threatening people is Leboon Sr. I think Leboon Sr. is the father of the guy who is threatening people. This guy doesn't look like he has any of his own money. He apparently lives with his father. In one video he says that his father made him put on a shirt so he wouldn't get cold. I don't think this guy is competent enough to be making contributions to anyone's political campaign.

He also didn't threaten Cantor because he's Jewish. Since he considers himself to be Jesus, that would mean that he considers himself to at least have been born Jewish himself. He threatened Cantor because Cantor is powerful, and he seems to believe that all powerful people are going to be punished by God soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:26 PM

CarolC,

"He also didn't threaten Cantor because he's Jewish. Since he considers himself to be Jesus, that would mean that he considers himself to at least have been born Jewish himself. He threatened Cantor because Cantor is powerful, and he seems to believe that all powerful people are going to be punished by God soon. "


And those who protested the Medical Reform bill did not yell at the congressman because he was Black- They yelled because he supported something they thought was a bad bill, and would be harmful to them.

So why do you call them racist???

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:27 PM

Show me where I called them racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:35 PM

Although I think we can safely say that the ones who called Black legislators "n*gger" are racists who oppose the new law.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:03 PM

Bruce,

I've been calling the people at the rally who called Congressman Lewis "Nigger" racist. I've said that the people who did it were Tea partiers. I didn't say Republicans, I didn't say conservatives.

Bobert has been saying that the underlying motivations of the tea party are latent racism. I don't agree with him but its out there. He hasn't to my knowledge said conservative or Republican in relation to this theory of his.

I didn't know Cantor was Jewish, In fact all I have to go on now is your word for it. And considering what you have said in the last few posts and what I am talking about now. YOU need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I was not making fun of Cantor because of threats to his family. You know this because you read what I said, and if you don't remember, you can go back and read it now. I was making fun of Cantor because he got hysterical about a bullet that did not even penetrate the blinds of an office that he does not even use. He morphed that into "The Democrats are attacking themselves to make The Republicans look bad." And you swallowed and regurgitated that whole steaming pile of crap right here on the Mudcat while comparing the Democrats to NAZIs.

I HAVE been saying that Republicans tend to argue against things which have never happened. You and Cantor, on this thread, are perfect examples of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:38 PM

This is not ABOUT whether Cantor is Jewish! Norman Leboon is a nut case...a REAL nut case, not just a racist. He threatens all sorts of people. The black congressman and others were being harassed and threatened by organized groups. We are quite aware that Jews are also at times harassed as a group by hate mongers,(and that is also indefensible) but THIS is not one of those times.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 12:52 AM

CarolC, and a few others, You just don't get it!...but at least you copping a lower plea, for the protester....now he 'sprayed' the Congressman, instead of spitting on him....Well, that may be, being as that inadvertently, may have happened. I think, judging from the video, that the protester was more into the congressmen HEARING what he was saying, rather than trying to AIM A LOOGIE on him.

The Dr. Leakey analogy, (just for you dim bulbs), was that Leakey was telling them, that he really DIDN'T KNOW all about their history, motives, social life...only that he found the bone 'Here'....and he left the speculation OUT OF IT!

Perhaps we may do the same?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 09:42 AM

Sorry, GfS, but you are far less credible on this subject than the many witnesses who saw what happened. You're trying to persuade people based on nothing more than your wish that things didn't happen the way it is quite obvious that they did happen. Sorry, but I'm not taking the bait.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 09:58 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 11:58 AM

Carolc: "Sorry, GfS, but you are far less credible on this subject than the many witnesses who saw what happened."

I guess it depends on the witnesses you wish to believe.....the people pro the bill, or the Teapartiers. Just from the provided video, I, as I said before, don't see the protester charging up for hawking a loogie. Spray from yelling, may or may not have happened. What I'm saying is, it looks pretty inconclusive, for people who were not there, to draw conclusions........unless you want to either believe or disbelieve something. If you want to think that the guy was spat on.............. intentionally, go ahead. I'm not willing to judge it one way or another, but................then................I'm from 'Sanity'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 01:55 PM

GUEST,

How about this? We say that based on our experience judgment that that the guy spat. You say based on yours that the tape is inconclusive.

That is sane and logical. Right?


A little feedback. Your name makes it sound like you and sanity are in two separate places. Like you are here and sanity id where you came from. It puts a comical and absurd picture in my mind and I am sure others too.


I saw this in a movie not long ago. It went something like "The worst way to convince someone is to start out by trying to prove that you are sane."

Think about it. Its like you are wearing a sandwich board saying "I am sane!! The others are not!! Listen to ME!!!!!!"

It just seems desperate and not a little comical.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 02:05 PM

The police seem to think the guy spit on the Congressman. They arrested him for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 02:22 PM

Was it a "magic Loogie?"

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 02:39 PM

That is a crack up!! Those guys were really funny.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 03:41 PM

I guess you say you saw in a movie a rap about sanity, a while back, the offer a scene from Seinfeld, as proof.....well I guess that says it all!!!!

CarolC says in one post that the video regarding Acorn was false, but this one is right. When she says a guy was arrested for this one, she finds him guilty as charged. When charges were laid up against Acorn, she vehemently defends Acorn saying nothing was proven.....Huh?
I think your politics is altering your perception of reality.
I only said I couldn't tell.
I think we can let it go, because I'm not going to be convinced, unless he goes to court, and is FOUND guilty, and/or admits to doing it. Remember, what is left of our constitution, says you're innocent unless PROVEN guilty.
Fair enough???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 05:06 PM

Can you find any evidence of editing in the video showing the spitting incident, GfS?

The makers of the "pimp and prostitute" video have admitted that they misrepresented what really happened. Do you have any admissions of the people who made the spitting video that they misrepresented anything? Or the witnesses who said he spit on the Congressman, have they admitted to misrepresenting anything? Or the police who saw it being done, have they admitted to misrepresenting what they saw and arresting the guy on false pretenses?

If not, I think you're just blowing smoke.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 05:13 PM

>>I guess you say you saw in a movie a rap about sanity, a while back, the offer a scene from Seinfeld, as proof.

Proof of what? I said I was offering you feedback on how your name is perceived. Just like a Republican, always arguing against things that haven't been said.