BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 05:13 PM

>>I guess you say you saw in a movie a rap about sanity, a while back, the offer a scene from Seinfeld, as proof.

Proof of what? I said I was offering you feedback on how your name is perceived. Just like a Republican, always arguing against things that haven't been said.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 05:06 PM

Can you find any evidence of editing in the video showing the spitting incident, GfS?

The makers of the "pimp and prostitute" video have admitted that they misrepresented what really happened. Do you have any admissions of the people who made the spitting video that they misrepresented anything? Or the witnesses who said he spit on the Congressman, have they admitted to misrepresenting anything? Or the police who saw it being done, have they admitted to misrepresenting what they saw and arresting the guy on false pretenses?

If not, I think you're just blowing smoke.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 03:41 PM

I guess you say you saw in a movie a rap about sanity, a while back, the offer a scene from Seinfeld, as proof.....well I guess that says it all!!!!

CarolC says in one post that the video regarding Acorn was false, but this one is right. When she says a guy was arrested for this one, she finds him guilty as charged. When charges were laid up against Acorn, she vehemently defends Acorn saying nothing was proven.....Huh?
I think your politics is altering your perception of reality.
I only said I couldn't tell.
I think we can let it go, because I'm not going to be convinced, unless he goes to court, and is FOUND guilty, and/or admits to doing it. Remember, what is left of our constitution, says you're innocent unless PROVEN guilty.
Fair enough???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 02:39 PM

That is a crack up!! Those guys were really funny.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 02:22 PM

Was it a "magic Loogie?"

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 02:05 PM

The police seem to think the guy spit on the Congressman. They arrested him for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 01:55 PM

GUEST,

How about this? We say that based on our experience judgment that that the guy spat. You say based on yours that the tape is inconclusive.

That is sane and logical. Right?


A little feedback. Your name makes it sound like you and sanity are in two separate places. Like you are here and sanity id where you came from. It puts a comical and absurd picture in my mind and I am sure others too.


I saw this in a movie not long ago. It went something like "The worst way to convince someone is to start out by trying to prove that you are sane."

Think about it. Its like you are wearing a sandwich board saying "I am sane!! The others are not!! Listen to ME!!!!!!"

It just seems desperate and not a little comical.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 11:58 AM

Carolc: "Sorry, GfS, but you are far less credible on this subject than the many witnesses who saw what happened."

I guess it depends on the witnesses you wish to believe.....the people pro the bill, or the Teapartiers. Just from the provided video, I, as I said before, don't see the protester charging up for hawking a loogie. Spray from yelling, may or may not have happened. What I'm saying is, it looks pretty inconclusive, for people who were not there, to draw conclusions........unless you want to either believe or disbelieve something. If you want to think that the guy was spat on.............. intentionally, go ahead. I'm not willing to judge it one way or another, but................then................I'm from 'Sanity'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 09:58 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 09:42 AM

Sorry, GfS, but you are far less credible on this subject than the many witnesses who saw what happened. You're trying to persuade people based on nothing more than your wish that things didn't happen the way it is quite obvious that they did happen. Sorry, but I'm not taking the bait.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 12:52 AM

CarolC, and a few others, You just don't get it!...but at least you copping a lower plea, for the protester....now he 'sprayed' the Congressman, instead of spitting on him....Well, that may be, being as that inadvertently, may have happened. I think, judging from the video, that the protester was more into the congressmen HEARING what he was saying, rather than trying to AIM A LOOGIE on him.

The Dr. Leakey analogy, (just for you dim bulbs), was that Leakey was telling them, that he really DIDN'T KNOW all about their history, motives, social life...only that he found the bone 'Here'....and he left the speculation OUT OF IT!

Perhaps we may do the same?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:38 PM

This is not ABOUT whether Cantor is Jewish! Norman Leboon is a nut case...a REAL nut case, not just a racist. He threatens all sorts of people. The black congressman and others were being harassed and threatened by organized groups. We are quite aware that Jews are also at times harassed as a group by hate mongers,(and that is also indefensible) but THIS is not one of those times.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:03 PM

Bruce,

I've been calling the people at the rally who called Congressman Lewis "Nigger" racist. I've said that the people who did it were Tea partiers. I didn't say Republicans, I didn't say conservatives.

Bobert has been saying that the underlying motivations of the tea party are latent racism. I don't agree with him but its out there. He hasn't to my knowledge said conservative or Republican in relation to this theory of his.

I didn't know Cantor was Jewish, In fact all I have to go on now is your word for it. And considering what you have said in the last few posts and what I am talking about now. YOU need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I was not making fun of Cantor because of threats to his family. You know this because you read what I said, and if you don't remember, you can go back and read it now. I was making fun of Cantor because he got hysterical about a bullet that did not even penetrate the blinds of an office that he does not even use. He morphed that into "The Democrats are attacking themselves to make The Republicans look bad." And you swallowed and regurgitated that whole steaming pile of crap right here on the Mudcat while comparing the Democrats to NAZIs.

I HAVE been saying that Republicans tend to argue against things which have never happened. You and Cantor, on this thread, are perfect examples of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:35 PM

Although I think we can safely say that the ones who called Black legislators "n*gger" are racists who oppose the new law.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:27 PM

Show me where I called them racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:26 PM

CarolC,

"He also didn't threaten Cantor because he's Jewish. Since he considers himself to be Jesus, that would mean that he considers himself to at least have been born Jewish himself. He threatened Cantor because Cantor is powerful, and he seems to believe that all powerful people are going to be punished by God soon. "


And those who protested the Medical Reform bill did not yell at the congressman because he was Black- They yelled because he supported something they thought was a bad bill, and would be harmful to them.

So why do you call them racist???

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:21 PM

I don't think the guy who is threatening people is Leboon Sr. I think Leboon Sr. is the father of the guy who is threatening people. This guy doesn't look like he has any of his own money. He apparently lives with his father. In one video he says that his father made him put on a shirt so he wouldn't get cold. I don't think this guy is competent enough to be making contributions to anyone's political campaign.

He also didn't threaten Cantor because he's Jewish. Since he considers himself to be Jesus, that would mean that he considers himself to at least have been born Jewish himself. He threatened Cantor because Cantor is powerful, and he seems to believe that all powerful people are going to be punished by God soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:13 PM

Amos,

"And accept the possibility I may have entirely inadvertently overlooked some post, rather than casting your acidic aspersions."

Sorry, I will use the lessons you have taught, and endeavor to be only half as caustic as you have been.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:10 PM

CarolC,

Leboon does not appear to be particularly politically active, but he does appear to have donated to President Barack Obama. On back-to-back days in June 2008, a man who called himself "Norman Leboon Sr" from Philadelphia gave $255 and $250 to Obama for America.


Far more evidence than you have presented that ANY of those who insulted Democrats were Tea Party members. ( Since you have presented none)

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:58 PM

Pray point me if you would to what I have wilfully blinded myself to. And accept the possibility I may have entirely inadvertently overlooked some post, rather than casting your acidic aspersions.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:51 PM

By the way, some people are making this guy out to be a Muslim, but he's not. He claims to be Jesus, the son of God, and he also claims to be the final Prophet. He sees himself as transcending all religions and being at the pinnacle of all religious belief...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2_19RDfXMU&feature=related

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:37 PM

Leboon's not an Obama supporter. He has threatened Obama and the Democratic leadership just as much as he has threatened Cantor. So you can't blame that one on Obama supporters or anything said by any Democrats. And you can't make an equivalency between this guy and the campaign of hate coming from Republicans and teabaggers against Democrats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdOfwx6I3kQ&feature=player_embedded#

I'm having some difficulty figuring out who this guy isn't against. Except maybe the Dalai Lama. I think he's probably Schizophrenic. I'm guessing this guy had nothing whatever to do with the bullet found in Cantor's window.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:30 PM

"That's absurd, Bruce; all conservatives are not racist and I have seen no-one here asserting that idea. It makes no sense."

I agree it makes no sense, but for you not to have seen it requires a willful blindness upon your part.



You think that Obama's declaring that any opponants to HIS particular Medical Reform bill are trying to kill off the uninsured is not rabble-rousing???

You are not only blind, but deaf as well. TRY listening to what the Democrats are saying, and THEN tell me that people who disagree are any worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:25 PM

That's absurd, Bruce; all conservatives are not racist and I have seen no-one here asserting that idea. It makes no sense.

What is being asserted here is that the Tea Party and their RNC sponsors have fomented extremes of antagonism, anger, and hateful speech. This is hardly arguable as it has been a matter of public record, that last video being only one example.

As for the death threat, I see no-one laughing it off. Nor is the suspect much of an Obama supporter to speak of according to the article. Why cast this in such a polarizing light? It isn't even accurate. It is a serious offense, by one highly disturbed individual. It is contrasted with a much more widely-spread, organized and deliberate cloud of hateful noise being stirred up by rabble-rousing techniques on the part of presumably mature citizens and their presumably responsible representatives. I don't think these two reports stand up to being conflated this way.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:13 PM

No, Amos, it is not.

My point is that a single person who sprays a black congressman while shouting is "proof" that all conservatives are racist ( according to those here) while an admitted death threat against a Jewish Congressman by an Obama supporter is laughed off.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:09 PM

Your point is completely obscured by your umbrage, Bruce.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 11:55 AM

"Police had a warrant to arrest Leboon on separate charges of terroristic threats with intent to terrorize another, simple assault and recklessly endangering another person.

Leboon was arrested March 27 and told the FBI that he used his cell phone video camera to make the video. He also admitted, according to the affidavit, that he had made more than 2,000 threatening videos.

He told the FBI, according to the affidavit, that he is the "son of the god of Enoch" and further said Cantor is "pure evil" and will be dead.

Leboon does not appear to be particularly politically active, but he does appear to have donated to President Barack Obama. On back-to-back days in June 2008, a man who called himself "Norman Leboon Sr" from Philadelphia gave $255 and $250 to Obama for America."

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 11:49 AM

I bet that if GfS had been the one who was spit on, he'd have a bit more to say about it.

Carol hit it precisely... there is no comparison between one buried bone and an event that has BOTH video evidence and the recollections of those in the tape.
If there had been clear, direct video for 3 different angles, complete with close-ups, I suppose GfS would speculate on what the congressman had done to upset the nice fellow who was, after all, just exercising his 1st amendment rights....

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 11:45 AM

Spray a black congressman, and your entire party are racist goons: Threaten to kill a Jew and his family and JtS thinks it ok to joke about it.


"It's about as obvious as it's possible to be. Anyone who can't see that simply doesn't want to see it. "




"Man arrested for Cantor death threat
By: Jake Sherman
March 29, 2010 01:18 PM EDT

Federal authorities have arrested a Philadelphia man and charged him with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and his family.

Norman Leboon will be charged with two federal counts: threatening to kill a member of Congress and interfering with his federal duties, and posting video online containing such threats. He is scheduled to appear in federal district court in Philadelphia on Monday afternoon.

The arrest is the most serious in a string of threats of violence against lawmakers in wake of the divisive health care vote. At least 10 Democrats along with a handful of Republicans, including Cantor, reported threats of violence during the past week. "

entire article

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:46 AM

It's not a bone that was found buried in the ground. That's a specious comparison. It's body language and normal human behavioral responses. And it's a series of events that we can clearly see. So you tell me what other interpretation there could be for someone recoiling away from someone who is clearly behaving in a hostile manner, confronting that person, and then wiping their face looking disgusted as they walk away.

Or maybe you would be more inclined to attribute normal human behavioral responses to the person in question if he or she was white.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:38 AM

Seamus
How about this one???
Eric Can't-er from the "Party of No"

I got a million of 'em and they are all just as bad... Myuk Myuk Myuk!!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:35 AM

GfS, If you can't read body language its nothing to be ashamed of, Lots of people have some form of autism.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:36 AM

CarolC, Your reading way too much into what you don't know...with all do respect.
Learn the lesson from Dr. Leakey, the renowned paleoanthropologist.

In 1969 the discovery of a cranium of Paranthropus boisei caused great excitement. A Homo habilis skull (KNM ER 1470) and a Homo erectus skull (KNM ER 3733), discovered in 1972 and 1975, respectively, were among the most significant finds of Leakey's earlier expeditions. In 1978 an intact cranium of Homo erectus (KNM ER 3883) was discovered.

When he arrived in Britain, the press was excited, and asked him to comment on his find, and tried to get him to speculate, as to what the humans were like. "Were they tool makers??" they asked. "Did they make pottery?" "Were they agricultural?" "what about their social habits?" "Were they a patriarchal or matriarchal society"...so on and so forth.

Dr. Richard Leakey blown away by their questions, answered them as direct, and as sure as he could, with his famous statement..."All I know," as he pointed to a map, "Is I found the bone, here!"

Get it??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:05 AM

Eric Canter was an excellent performer right up there with Al Jolson, IMO.
Check this out.
Susie

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 11:39 PM

If you look earlier in the video, you can see him recoiling from something right as he walks past the man whose hands are cupped to his face. He confronts the man at that point and after that, as he is walking away, he wipes off his face with a disgusted look on his face. It's about as obvious as it's possible to be. Anyone who can't see that simply doesn't want to see it.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 10:49 PM

I'm not anything or anybody you asked, neither am I 'defending' him. I'm merely saying, that what is on the video is inconclusive. I think you may want to be a little more discriminating in what you are led to believe, by inconclusive 'evidence', or you'll be the target for be easily emotionally stirred up, and therefore easy to dupe. He may or may have not splattered on him while yelling...the congressman might be wiping his lips from the flap of yelling back. You don't know, and I don't know...but I'm certainly NOT going to take someone else's 'opinion' for it. That's being just plain stupidly gullible!!!
You may want to re-think it.

respectfully,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 08:31 PM

GfS Are you the guy that spat? Cousin? Uncle? Mother? Otherwise why do you insist on looking so foolish to defend him?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 08:04 PM

Carol, I re-watched the video...That's quite a jump you make there. What is seen is, the congressman, wipe his own lips, after looking at his own hand. However, you can INTERPRET it any way you WANT, depending on your pre-disposition, to believe what you want. There is NOT enough evidence of the protester INTENTIONALLY spitting on the congressman. The rest is a S---T----R------E--------T--------C-----H!!
Just to be fair, let's not jump the bandwagon for an assumption.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:21 PM

It's quite clear that the congressman flinched and then wiped off his face. That shows that he was spit upon even if we can't see the spit.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:18 PM

By the way, in reference to a something posted a while back about reconciliation, the vast majority of the health care reform law was passed without the use of reconciliation. The vast majority was passed with a clear majority in the House, and a super majority in the Senate. Only a very small portion (which wasn't even a part of the larger bill, but was a separate bill) was passed using reconciliation.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 02:38 PM

Songbob: "That is, if you're crazy enough to be shouting and spraying your elected representatives, you probably shouldn't be out in public. It speaks ill of your upbringing, and ill of any side that promotes it."

I watched you video link several times, carefully...and it does not appear that the protester was spitting at the congressman. Though, I can understand that people would want to claim differently, depending on your pre-disposition, of taking sides. Never in the video does the protester fill his mouth with a breath or anything like that to propel any intentional spit. Look closer, with an mind for impartial observing.

Then, let it go.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 12:48 PM

"nor has anyone caught people spitting on each other..."

Look here ...

Now some are claiming that it was just spray from the shouting the guy using his hands as a megaphone was doing, but to me, any shouting that gets that much spray is as violent and virulent as a deliberate spitting action. Maybe even worse than just spitting, since it indicates a pretty-nearly-complete loss of control of onseself, a rabid-dogism that speaks of uncontrollable emotions, and I'm sorry, but uncontrollable emotions are not something a civilized society should promote in the nature of public discourse.

That is, if you're crazy enough to be shouting and spraying your elected representatives, you probably shouldn't be out in public. It speaks ill of your upbringing, and ill of any side that promotes it. It was wrong for the hippies, and is wrong for the Tea-gaggers, too. It harks back to the genuine Klan, and should be shunned by all thinking people, not apologized for and subtly (or not-so) encouraged by those seeking political power.

In other words, if you have to rouse the rabble to get power, you are probably not worthy of that power, and you also will find it harder to keep it, since a roused anti-government mob will likely still be anti-government when that government is in your hands.

Can you say, "playing with matches in a dynamite factory?" I thought you could.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 08:43 AM

The bullet that hit Cantor's window did so at a downward angle like you would get from a gun fired into the air from a distance away. It was almost certainly not targeted at his office, it just happened to come down there. Cantor was trying to use the incident to create a false equivalency with the Democrat legislators whose offices and homes really were targeted. Repubs would rather fool the public into thinking these attacks are coming from both ends of the political spectrum than acknowledge that THEIR supercharged rhetoric is causing the fringe of THEIR base to act out violently.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:17 PM

If a shot pierced the glass but not the blinds, I wouldn't go out and say that Democrats are shooting at themselves and blaming the Republicans. That would be a stupid thing to do. If I were to do it, I would expect to be ridiculed. Is it possible that in this instance at least, I'm smarter than Cantor?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:08 PM

Jack the Sailor...."A somewhat apt comparison considering his hysterics over a bullet that did not even penetrate his blinds."

GfS: ......and, from reports in, was from a randomly fired shot........
but then, I'm sure when a shot comes into your home, one would at least wonder where it came from...and why.

Considering the recent hysterics, and fanned hostility amongst the radically divided extremes..............well, you fill in the blanks!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:47 PM

I think the picture makes a very valid point, GfS. Perhaps you are unaware of the background of what the picture is representing.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:42 PM

Gfs,

Its humor. It is equating Cantor with the woman, during the Presidential campaign who mutilated herself and blamed it on a made up Obama supporter. A somewhat apt comparison considering his hysterics over a bullet that did not even penetrate his blinds.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:11 PM

I guess posting that Photoshop doctored pic is a promotion of peace, tolerance, and good will amongst our pro-'love' liberal constituents.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 03:35 AM

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w161/kynandog_photos/CantorBk.jpg

(This is one of those times when I wish we could embed pictures in threads.)

Subject: RE: BS: Democrat's Reichstag fire?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:33 AM

Thanks, Bobert.....just wanted to clear things up.

Regards,
GfS