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Subject: BS: She's at it again From: GUEST,Kendall Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:22 PM Sarah Palin stated that Obama doesn't know much about foreign affairs, yeah, like she does? At least he knows how to pronounce "Nuclear" properly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Charmion Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:51 PM Perhaps her problem is that he doesn't "know" the things she "knows". |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: gnu Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:51 PM Good lord. What an airhead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Wesley S Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:04 PM You expected something different? |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: akenaton Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:27 PM Not another "Lets all piss on a woman" thread. The next US Pres has GOT to be a woman, and if the choice is between Hillary and Sarah, I'd like it to be the real thing! |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:32 PM A choice between Hillary and Sarah? And it would be difficult to choose? Surely you jest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: gnu Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:40 PM I believe it's a piss on SP thread... well deserved, I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:49 PM I cant believe that anyone with an IQ over 60 would vote for that flange head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: akenaton Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:53 PM gnu....the last few anti- Sarah threads have been so foul and personal....it has to be more than politics. Ebbs....If I was American I would vote for whom I thought actually believed what they said... and Hillary is too much of a professional politician for my taste.....more faces than Big Ben! Dont suppose Sarah will make Pres tho'....you folks haven't the guts! Just keep on keeping on with the weasels!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Apr 10 - 02:07 PM From over here, the impression is often that it's not always the most intelligent & aware who make your best presidents, but those with some other sort of Ingredient XYZ which can emerge after election. Mrs Palin looks as if she just might have it ~~ just see, why dontcha, the way she's got all of you lot reacting on all these threads ~~ if she is such a patently and self-evidently airheaded idiot, how come you can't all just STFU about her & leave her to stew in her own juice, eh? Why even bother to start another thread with a title like this one's? But, then, waddoo I know; just a dumb Brit. Pay me no mind... ~Michael~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: gnu Date: 11 Apr 10 - 02:13 PM It is more than politics, Ake. She just plain stunned as me arse. Aim your flame thrower elsewhere. Oh, yeah... goodbye. Have fun kids. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Apr 10 - 02:26 PM Sarah Palin ranks third, behind Romney and Paul, as a Republican presidential candidate choice for 2012. Given the present mood of the American public (not the lefties who fill up the below-the-line posts on Mudcat), she has a good chance of being elected if nominated. I think her chances of nomination are slim; Romney looks like the next Republican candidate and the next American president (of course J. Bush of Florida might enter the ring, but I think he will wait for the next round). |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 11 Apr 10 - 03:44 PM I started this thread because I damn well felt like it. Where I come from, we have something called the 1st amendment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 11 Apr 10 - 04:15 PM Someone, styling him/herself an undifferentiated GUEST, said: Not another "Lets all piss on a woman" thread. Not just "a woman", nor yet "women"; this is Palin, who deserves treatment just for who she is, and the persona she individually offers. Being "a woman" does not, and should not, serve as a shield against criticism and dislike. She Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: beeliner Date: 11 Apr 10 - 05:22 PM ...she has a good chance of being elected if nominated. Right-wingers were saying the same thing about Goldwater in 1964, and if nominated, she will probably do about as well as he, IF - and it's a big IF - the GOP remains united. If there is a splinter party, "Tea" or whatever, to split the vote, a Democratic victory is assured. American voters don't like nor trust extremists on either side, and no one who could reasonably be so described has ever been elected US president. FDR probably came closest, but those were times when extreme measures were deemed necessary. Also, she has established herself as a quitter. When the governorship of Alaska became too much for her, she walked away. Not a good qualification for a presidential candidate. Finally, nearly every time she opens her mouth, she shows herself to be not only boorish but extremely stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: katlaughing Date: 11 Apr 10 - 05:22 PM Thank you, Uncle Dave O! Couldn't have said it better m'self. Michael, dear, we've got nothing on you Brits and your endless piss-up threads...we're just trying to catch up!*bg* kit, kat Oh, ake, tsk, darlin'...SP *believes* she can see Russia from her front door in Alaska; she believes in creationism, wildlife slaughter and environmental destruction. For all we know, she may believe the earth is flat, too! So, those are good enough reasons to let her lead the world to hell in a salmon basket? Jeepers, that's some process there you have for choosing a candidate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: mousethief Date: 11 Apr 10 - 05:32 PM beeliner: Finally, nearly every time she opens her mouth, she shows herself to be not only boorish but extremely stupid. And yet wins hearts and minds in so doing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Apr 10 - 05:37 PM You too Kat darling ~~ Choccie-bar 〠 |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: beeliner Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:00 PM And yet wins hearts and minds in so doing. H. L. Mencken would love it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:24 PM I cant believe that anyone with an IQ over 60 would vote for that flange head. Well, she has the entire Tea Party voting block then. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Lox Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:31 PM "I cant believe that anyone with an IQ over 60 would vote for that flange head." I think you should put music to that line and release it as a single. I'd buy it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: olddude Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:39 PM it would take me 1000 years to write all the reasons she is not qualified for any office |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Amos Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:41 PM This is not a "dump on women/a woman" thread. It 's a "dump on blatant stupidity" thread. Glen Beck gets the same treatment, for the same reason. This issue is not whether she believes what she says or not, but whether what she says parallels reality of not. Many pof Sarah's most famous remarks are completely divorced from reality. You don't want a massively delusory case making policy decisions; we tried that for eight years and had miserable results. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:50 PM "too much of a professional politician for my taste" ... means 'would be happier with an ignorant loud mouth lunatic, more like himself'? sigh.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Apr 10 - 07:20 PM "MtheGM" "if she is such a patently and self-evidently airheaded idiot, how come you can't all just STFU about her & leave her to stew in her own juice" Ah! we Aussies had 'Pauline' over here - the problem with following your good intentioned advice is that she DID get elected - once in, she never 'improved' - not even her display of 'excellent language' - and she was the reason that the Aussie 'Liberal Party' then moved so far to the Right (to claw back votes from HER followers!) under Johnny Howard - and it took long enough to undo THAT damage - including having this turkey be one of the few ever sitting Aussie Prime Ministers to lose his OWN seat (in his own party stronghold!) that they made even Sarah Palin look 'Left of Centre'... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bill D Date: 11 Apr 10 - 07:31 PM I repeat, over & over, repetitiously.... Sarah has no interest in being president. It would be too much work and pays much less than she is making just allowing the idea to She is doing what SHE wants now....just causing controversy and pushing right-wing causes....and collecting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Apr 10 - 08:05 PM Going Rogue has sold 2.2 million of a press run (so far) or 2.7 million. The advance to her on the book by Harper-Collins was $7 million. Her literary agent will get about $2.5 million of that. These figures are averaged guesses from several sources; NY Times, ABC, CNN, Daily Finance and Politico. Lets say that these figures are overblown, but she still became an instant millionaire even if the figures are cut. Book companies seldom give out full figures until the last dog barks, but the above are the estimate from followers of the market. If the buyers of her book have an IQ of below 60 (Greg F.), pity the US; thats an awful lot of ignorance. On the other hand, what it really reflects is the anger of the middle-of-the-road American at the failure of their expectations and a search for any cure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 11 Apr 10 - 08:35 PM On another thread I made a staement that what we are perhaps seein' is the "Epsilon Revolt" (my term, BTW) which alludes to Aldous Huxley's 1932 novel entiltle "Barve New World"... In that novel, Huxley suggests that in the future people will be *produced* based on the needs of society... The various levels that Huxley talks about certainly mimick the real world as we know it with the "Alphas" being at the top and given the DNA that allows them to be creative and leaders... Then there are various levels of other people from Betas, to Gammas all the way down the I.Q. chart to the Epsilons... I've been giving a lot of thought to the Tea Party people and, okay, some might say that I am being an elitists here but Sarah Palin is like the Queen of the Epsilons and the Epsilons are unhappy so they have banded together to try to t5ake over the show... The problem here, I hate to say it, is that these people are not intellegent enought to govern... They act on emotion first, second and third and bring nothing to the table in terms of understanding real world problems or the complex solutions... Yeah, they can recite bumper sticker positons but that's about as far as they got... It's sad... Not because these people are so ill-infomrmed and ill-prepared to govern but t5hat they are so easilly manipulated by people who have money to make offf these poor people's ignorance... I find it very interesting the the silver-spooners have so easilly manipulated the plastic-spoon Epsilons to do the silver-spooner's bidding??? As for Sarah??? She looks good but like someone allready pointed out, she is indeed an "air head"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 11 Apr 10 - 08:36 PM So, she will get rich. Good for her, considering she can't hold a job. I was going to send her an e mail to correct her grammar, but the only way to do that is to sign up as a fan. Not bloody likely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 11 Apr 10 - 08:58 PM "Sarah Palin stated that Obama doesn't know much about foreign affairs, yeah, like she does?" Well, we really don't know what she knows. We do know what he doesn't know, which has proven to be quite a lot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: olddude Date: 11 Apr 10 - 09:24 PM Meaning no disrespect to anyone, the biggest problem I have from the republican is as Bob said the "bumper sticker mentality" I want to see an idea, any idea, any suggestion, good or bad ... but all I hear is a non stop criticism of those who are actually trying to do something .. to address the many problems. The NO party really is just that, no ideas, no suggestions, just NO for anyone trying to do anything to fix any issue. Bumper stickers don't get anything done that needs done .. I think anyway |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 11 Apr 10 - 09:33 PM Yeah, oldster... That is about it... That makes me revisit my thinking about timing of the "Epsilon Revolt"... When I hear folks like John "Bonehead" Beahner speak in Congress I'm thinking to myself, "This man is mentally challenged"... Maybe that is whay we aren't getting mush in the way of any new ideas from these people??? Maybe we are asking them to offer soemthing they are not capable of offering??? That is scarey... Yeah, maybe this sisn't about politics, afterall??? Maybe this is about some severly stupid unenlightened people??? Like I said, this is scarey... And here's the kicker... I think they have a clue just how stupid they are so in order to try to hide it that accuse anyone with an IQ over 100 of being elitists??? Beam me up, Scottie... The dumbed down are trying to take over... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Don Firth Date: 11 Apr 10 - 09:37 PM Ake: "Dont suppose Sarah will make Pres tho'....you folks haven't the guts! Just keep on keeping on with the weasels!!" Suh-weet Jesus!!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Apr 10 - 09:51 PM "various levels that Huxley talks about certainly mimic the real world as we know it with the "Alphas" being at the top and given the DNA that allows them to be creative and leaders... Then there are various levels of other people from Betas, to Gammas all the way down the I.Q. chart to the Epsilons..." Ha! The world (especially the USA) IS RUN mostly by no better than Betas (just making money doesn't mean you are an Alpha!)... who through "The Peter Principle" have got themselves up to a level where they can suppress any 'dangers' to themselves - they can easily SPOT those who are even potentially brighter than themselves, and easily eliminate them from 'the system' for their own protection. Mensa - you don't have to be very bright at all to get in - has a wide range of members, many of who are bus drivers and housewives, etc, the percentage that are 'in high positions' is rather low. I'd guess that is also partly because the Epsilons would try to tear them down once it was proved that they were 'elitist' - as that word is used as a derogatory put down regularly in the BS threads... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:17 PM ... Sarah's most famous remarks are completely divorced from reality. Just like our own DougR, Ya mean? She's no more delusional then he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:18 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:18 PM Yer right again, F-troupe... Thanks for helping me get this entire "Epsilon Revolt" in prpoer perspective... Heck, I just thought of the concept last night and there are alot of levels to what is happening here... Yeah, "Betas" at best... This is perhaps why America is screwed... They demonized the government ot the point wher the really smart people don't want any part of it... Sad thing about this is that the demonizing began with Ronald Reagan and has been purdy much going on ever since??? But let yer Social Security check ba a day late and it's gonna be Hell to pay??? So now the smart people have purdy much given up and so the next level is having to do what the Alphas used to do: govern??? (Geeze, Boberdz... Maybe that's why the last guy thought that he could start two expensive wars at the same time he was passin' out big tax cuts to the wealthiests???) Ya' think, Vern??? Geeze, looks like the meek-minded may not inherit the Earth but they sho nuff want to mess it up... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:46 PM "...3rd behind Romney and Paul for the Republican nomination." Would that it were so. But as I've explained more than once, it's not. She is in fact at this point way ahead. Yet again, primaries and caucuses are about passion--and that means Palin at this point. 1) abortion: the only one to "walk the walk" 2) gun rights: Who's the poster girl of the NRA? In addition to that, her views just about parallel those of the "Tea Party"--which is not in fact a party, but a bunch of hothead malcontents. But if there's one thing Palin has mastered, it's articulating resentment of Washington. And with the "Tea Party" that pays off big. If "Tea Party" people decide to do anything but yell helplessly at both parties, she will benefit. Also, she stands to inherit the votes of a lot of non-liberal women who voted for Hillary in the Democratic primaries-and think it's time for a woman president. And as far as Romney and Paul: Romney: good luck to him in Republican primaries trying to separate "Romney-care" in Massachusetts from the loathed "Obama-care". Paul: considered by lots of Republicans to be a loose cannon---and no Republican. If anybody would care to offer a rebuttal of my thesis, I'd be pleased to entertain it. But let's have some logic and facts--and a minimum of wishful thinking, for a change. So for the general election it will come down to the old question: Are you better off now than 4 years ago? And even if unemployment comes down from the current ghastly 9.7%, many of the jobs now offered are not the good-paying manufacturing jobs, but more poorly paying service jobs. It will come down to whether each voter thinks that his or her own position is better than in 2008. And that will not be answered by statistics quoted at them. At this point however, dear Sarah is in the catbird seat for the Republican nomination. And there are no obvious strong challengers. Jindal or the MN gov (Pawlenty?) are possible--but have their own liabilities. And neither can compete with Sarah in the top two true-believer Republican primary issues. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Apr 10 - 11:28 PM QUOTE (Geeze, Boberdz... Maybe that's why the last guy thought that he could start two expensive wars at the same time he was passin' out big tax cuts to the wealthiests???) UNQUOTE Bloody Hell bobert - don't know enough letters of the Greek Alphabet for him ... wait on "The Alpha and Omega" ha! He was an Omega... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 12 Apr 10 - 02:52 AM I tend to agree with Bill D and others who say that she will not run for the presidency; she can make bushels more money free lancing. But maybe she plans to be an advisor in the *next* administration? Or perhaps.... brace yourself.... become Secretary of State? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 12 Apr 10 - 03:11 AM I was going to post something that rhymes with "Secretary of War", but fortunately good taste prevailed, and I didn't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: 3refs Date: 12 Apr 10 - 06:38 AM 'I started this thread because I damn well felt like it. Where I come from, we have something called the 1st amendment." While the United States Constitution's First Amendment identifies the rights to assemble and to petition the government, the text of the First Amendment does not make specific mention of a right to association. Nevertheless, the United States Supreme Court held in NAACP v. Alabama that the freedom of association is an essential part of Freedom of Speech because, in many cases, people can engage in effective speech only when they join with others. Which, in my humble opinion, is closely guarded by the 2nd Amendment! "....every time on election day all the little mice used to go to the ballot box and they used to elect a government. A government made up of big, fat, black cats." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST, RBotob Date: 12 Apr 10 - 08:00 AM Mostly white cats I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Apr 10 - 08:58 AM Ebbie-- Why do you think she doesn't have ambition to be the first female president, with the historical importance that would bring? Look at how she reacted to the adulation of the crowds she spoke to as VP candidate. And she no doubt already feels she has been through the grinder as far as her family being dragged into the spotlight-- (which she is of course totally blameless for--just ask her--)-and examined under the harsh scrutiny of the media. So she has nothing to lose there. She's already a multimillionaire, while still quite young, on the strength of her book and speaking tours. And when money is no longer an object people tend to shift to other goals. Look at Romney. This is not a gotcha question. I really would like to hear your thoughts. You're one of the few people who may well have insight into her that nobody else has, since you've had the unmitigated joy of having her as your governor. The rest of us can only listen to her and read about her, and I have seen nothing that indicates she will just be satisfied with money--unfortunately. And rightly or wrongly, President Obama is still perceived by his opposition as vulnerable. In fact I'd say the opposition is right to see him that way--as long as unemployment remains stubbornly high. And as I noted, the jobs coming back into the economy do not always pay as well as the jobs lost. Mudcatters seem to do a lot of whistling in the dark. But what are your views on all this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,kendall Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:06 AM Maybe Obama will start another war to save his second term. It worked for Bush. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: 3refs Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:15 AM "You see, my friends, the trouble wasn't with the colour of the cat. The trouble was that they were cats. And because they were cats, they naturally looked after cats instead of mice." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: 3refs Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:29 AM I know that most Canadians have seen, or heard, Tommy Douglas's speech on "Mouseland". I'll suggest that Sarah Palin is a "mouse that roared" and the little people are finding that some of the things she's saying are resonating with them. Much like Jessie Ventura, she speaks a language that can be understood by most(and ridiculed by others). "Presently there came along one little mouse who had an idea. My friends, watch out for the little fellow with an idea. And he said to the other mice, "Look fellows, why do we keep electing a government made up of cats? Why don't we elect a government made up of mice?" "Oh," they said, "he's a Bolshevik(communist). Lock him up! So they put him in jail. But I want to remind you: That you can lock up a mouse or a man but you can't lock up an idea." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:39 AM Anybody who feels Sarah will not run for president in 2012 should also explain phenomena like her support of McCain in his primary. Contrary to Mudcatters' vain hopes, she is not stupid. She knows she can pick speaking engagements off the trees--at $75,000 or $100,000 a pop. And she knows support of McCain does not sit well with her natural base--the "Tea Party" and other malcontents. She could easily just pick speaking gigs before friendly audiences. Thus her support of him looks remarkably like building up debts with rank-and-file Republicans--and office holders--which are then cashed in when the run for President starts. Also, anybody who thinks she does not have charisma should do more reading and monitoring the news. President Obama of course also has charisma. But any sitting president cannot run as the candidate of charisma--he must run as the candidate of competence. Also look what happens when charisma goes up against competence. Not usually a good outcome for the competence candidate. Finally look at the fact that the President does not have unified support from left of center--to say the least. Consider, for instance all the whining we have seen from left of center just on Mudcat. The president will need the votes of the whiners--and if somebody like Nader runs again, he may not get them. And Sarah and her advisors no doubt are noting all of this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:41 AM "he (the President) may not..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 12 Apr 10 - 11:15 AM I suspect Palin would rather support Hayworth, but she owes John McCain for her very political existance. She felt obligated to support McCain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 12 Apr 10 - 11:19 AM Leaving aside for the moment, what her plans are, here is a look at the reasoning of a man whom Palin appointed to office (He has been recently rejected by the legislature as the current Governor's pick for the Game Board position). God's Injunction to Humans |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Amos Date: 12 Apr 10 - 11:31 AM She has instincts, I allow. But when I call her stupid I am talking about her intellectual range of motion. There's a big world of difference between actual making important mythic-scale events occur, and using myths to think with. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 12 Apr 10 - 11:42 AM ""beeliner: Finally, nearly every time she opens her mouth, she shows herself to be not only boorish but extremely stupid. And yet wins hearts and minds in so doing."" WHAT MINDS? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 12 Apr 10 - 11:57 AM The minds of the folks who have them! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 12 Apr 10 - 08:16 PM You have heard of folks who don't know nuthin'? well, she don't even suspect nuthin'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Apr 10 - 08:46 PM Look, people, it's about time to stop underestimating your opponents. You would think Mudcatters would have learned this after Reagan and GWB. But evidently not. Sarah is, I repeat, not stupid. In fact she seems to have finely tuned political antennae. Anybody who thinks pronunciation of "nuclear" will alienate many voters needs to think again. In fact, it's more likely to make more voters identify with her. The course she has mapped out is, as I and others have noted earlier, essentially Reagan's trajectory. And it could work--if 2012 bears any resemblance to 1980. The blithe assumption that the US electorate would never elect somebody we despise is belied by very recent history. Try 2000 --and 2004. So the thing for us to do is to try to minimize her chances for ingratiating herself with more voters--which she can and will do through her planned Discovery show. We can't do much--but we could contact Discovery and tell them they should cancel that show. And possibly try to find out the sponsors and put pressure on them. The ostrich posture assumed by many Mudcatters does not help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 12 Apr 10 - 08:58 PM Stupid, Amos??? I donno... I'm sure that she wouldn't have gotten as far has she has if she were stupid... Ignorant??? Well, yeah... Capable of critical thinkin'??? Well, not really... But neither are the folks who support her... She ***is*** the "Queen of the Epsilons".... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:33 PM "She ***is*** the "Queen of the Epsilons"...." Bobert, don't you mean the Omegas... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Amos Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:35 PM Well you tell me the word. Canny, shrewd, instinctively clever, yes. Intelligent, no. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 12 Apr 10 - 10:11 PM Yer probably correct, f-troupe... Been a long, long time since I plowed thru "Brave Neew World"... Ya remember the themes and concepts but the deatils???? What can I say??? Yeah, Amos... That better nails her... I know, it's easy to just assume that thes folks are all stupid and... ...God knows... Most of them are but... ...me thinks that some of folks out there who act and sound stupid are really just slightly upwind of the truley stupid... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 12 Apr 10 - 10:26 PM "Brave Neew World" Well the Eps WERE the bottom class in his novel, but Omega is the last letter of the Greek alphabet.... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 12 Apr 10 - 10:32 PM Okay, ya' got me on that one, F-troupe, but... ... ya' had to use trickery on the ol' hillbilly... Fir shame... May a kangaroo.... Ahhhh, what do they do??? Nevermind... Think I've reached the omega of this day... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:37 AM Also, by the way: "her very existence". Sorry, Rig, you're off base again. There is still no love lost between Sarah and Sen McCain--she and her folks are still bitter at her perceived mistreatment by his campaign. If you think she supports him now from gratitude at her start on the national scene, you are even more naive than I thought. It's cold calculation on her part. She wants the support of Republican officeholders and rank-and-file Republicans---soon. For what?---well I've just told you. And she knows you have to take your chances when the best opportunity arises--you may never get another. President Obama was counseled to wait. He didn't. Worked out rather well for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:39 AM "her very political existance (sic)". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:17 AM Well, as long as Obama is going to continue to engage her on a one-on-one relationship, he'll keep her in the spot light and continue to fill her bank accounts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Lox Date: 13 Apr 10 - 08:01 AM I disagree with all this talk of Palin not running due to her greater interest in money. I would have said that her ego was a much more powerful motivator than her greed. The attention she'd get, from the whole world, and she'd get to look like a real executive type too ... ... and she could be a female Bruce Willis to counter Obamas Alan Rickman. Yiippee Kay-Ay Moose motherf****r |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Apr 10 - 08:08 AM Well, she discovered the downside of running for office without any personal money. Her political enemies brought multiple, frivolous suits and she couldn't afford to defend herself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 13 Apr 10 - 08:41 AM Frivolous? Hardly! Look, all the dems have to do in the next campaign is show that interview with Katie Couric in which she couldn't answer simple questions. She looked like the air head she really is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:40 AM Well, Rig, your average is--slowly--improving. "frivolous"---dead wrong. She abused her power as governor for personal reasons. As was found even by some Republicans. But I agree the President should not be responding to her directly. Came close to saying that myself in my last post. It raises her profile and makes her even more obviously the spokesman of the Republicans. And any Mudcatter who doesn't think her sarcasm about Obama's community organizing being useful in nuclear negotiations has no idea how well that played in certain quarters--the ones she wants to impress now. She is dangerous--because she's ambitious, and is doing--well-- exactly what needs to be done to realize those ambitions. And it's time for Mudcatters to acknowledge this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:43 AM "...negotiations was a good move has..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Amos Date: 13 Apr 10 - 11:34 AM OBama did not engage her. He was asked about her comments and said as far as he knew she was no expert on nuclear policy. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 13 Apr 10 - 11:35 AM In her defense, I guess: She will run for the presidency if she decides that it is what God wants her to do. The problem is that it can be awfully easy to convince oneself of that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Apr 10 - 12:18 PM Actually, it's god one has to convince. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Rapparee Date: 13 Apr 10 - 12:37 PM Sarah Palin: When the going gets tough, the tough quit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 13 Apr 10 - 01:08 PM God told her to, Rap. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Apr 10 - 01:53 PM Some of her lines will be quoted in future books of famous quotations. My favorite- Only dead fish go with the flow |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 13 Apr 10 - 02:07 PM Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a Governor. Nuff said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 13 Apr 10 - 02:22 PM Only dead fish go with the flow That's hardly original with her- she stole it. Or Or maybe she had it written on her hand by one of her handlers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Apr 10 - 02:24 PM Original source? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Apr 10 - 02:48 PM Her 'next door neighbor' comment, of course, is not original, it is said by Alaskans, and I have heard it in Fairbanks. Old, as well, often used by Americans stationed and living with their families at the air base near Fairbanks. And one can see Russia from Alaska, as she said "from an island in Alaska." (changed to 'out the window' or some such in an often cited example by Democrat supporters). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 13 Apr 10 - 05:53 PM From what I understand, Sarah Palin has never been on Little Diomede from which one can see mainland Russia, Siberia specifically, as well as the closer island, Big Diomede. Big and Little Diomede Islands are only a little over two miles apart. Siberia is around 30 miles from the US. My favorite image is evoked by her "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska." Her degree is in journalism. lol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:28 PM It's too bad the President, when asked about her comments, didn't just say something along the lines of "Nuclear negotiations are not a political football. That's all I have to say." This would have addressed the issue without referring to dear Sarah, even with a pronoun. It's just not a good idea to give her any premise for suggesting she is having a dialogue with him. Her profile is plenty high enough already. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 13 Apr 10 - 06:58 PM Here's 1989, Q, but its at least a dozen years older than this citation: "Only dead fish go with the flow" thus takes the old Christian adage and modernizes it with a rhyming colloquialism. This version has been floating around since at least 1989, when Bobbie Louise Hawkins used it in her collection of stories, essays, and memoirs, My Own Alphabet. http://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/wordroutes/1910/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:27 PM It sounds like Sarah Palin is pretty well read. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 07:31 PM I understand she has nearly a quarter of the table of contents to the Abridged Mother Goose memorized, albeit not in order and without page numbers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:47 PM It sounds like Sarah Palin is pretty well read. As long as its off the palm of her hand, Rig. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Apr 10 - 09:57 PM At least she wrote it. Better than a teleprompter, what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 13 Apr 10 - 10:06 PM At least she wrote it No evidence of that- was probably written for her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Apr 10 - 10:12 PM 1989! Thanks for the reference. Sarah has put it to good use. During the cold war, many Alaskans and the US Air Force personnel stationed near Fairbanks felt the Russians would come into their airspace first (although over Canada is more likely- Canadians had the same fear). The base was under constant readiness. Mentioning Putin just brings the feeling up to date, although tensions have abated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 10:24 PM People use teleprompters even for stuff they themselves write. The use of a teleprompter says nothing about who wrote the material. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Rapparee Date: 13 Apr 10 - 10:36 PM Not many politicians have written their own material for many years -- and that includes "The Great Communicator." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: mousethief Date: 13 Apr 10 - 10:40 PM Do we have any confirmed evidence that Palin can write? We know she doesn't read much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Apr 10 - 08:23 AM You all might take a break from your busy schedule of continuing to underestimate your opponent and note Sarah's "Tea Party" in (where else?) Boston--today, I think. What's intriguing is who will not be attending: the man who may want to be re-elected in liberal Massachusetts: Scott Brown. But it will be also interesting to watch her reception. It may give clues as to whether "Tea Party" folk will hold her support of McCain against her. Of course we really won't know much about the actual primary season til the Iowa caucuses. Unless of course she takes Mudcatters' advice and decides not to run. Somehow, at this point it don't seem too awful likely--to put it mildly. But I sure hope I'm wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Apr 10 - 08:27 AM And by the way, if she knew, she'd be absolutely delighted that people left of center continue to denigrate and underestimate her. It fits her plans perfectly. I'm a bit surprised that so many highly educated people (Mudcatters) don't seem to have a clue about this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 14 Apr 10 - 08:32 AM I can be dangerous to underestimate your opponent. As H.L. Mencken said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American people." Look at all the failures that made the big office. Harding Grant Pierce Buchanan To name a few. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Apr 10 - 09:12 AM Why would you pick those individuals out as failures? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 14 Apr 10 - 09:20 AM You left out The Shrub. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: beardedbruce Date: 14 Apr 10 - 09:35 AM He left out Carter, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Donuel Date: 14 Apr 10 - 09:47 AM __ __ 〠-〠 \ ...( ..@ "Yu Betcha" "if a simple carpenter was the son of God why can't a hockey mom be the daughter?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Apr 10 - 12:00 PM His Viagra quit working after the son. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 14 Apr 10 - 02:07 PM The list is too long. Thats why I added, TO name a few. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 14 Apr 10 - 02:09 PM Carter has more brains in his jock strap than Bush has in his wooden head. His main problem was, he tried to micro manage the government and that is impossible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Mooh Date: 14 Apr 10 - 02:12 PM Palin isn't the writer or orator that Pat Paulsen was. He would have at least provided some wit. Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Stringsinger Date: 14 Apr 10 - 02:43 PM Wait a minute! Palin is talking like the propagandists of the Weimar Republic in Germany of the Thirties. Don't dismiss her. In historical context, she is the same kind of populist movement leader that determined the "Putsch" in Germany. Watch out America! These people are "locked and loaded" albeit with B.S. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Apr 10 - 08:48 PM Stringsinger has it right. I hope you are starting to realize it may be fun to look down at dear Sarah, but she is a real threat. Crux of it is: propaganda works. You would think all Mudcatters would have learned this after 8 years of GWB, especially the propaganda campaign leading up to the Iraq War--and then the similar campaign of the 2004 election. If people are fearful or in distress, all you need to do is tell them who to hate and blame for their troubles. Remember all the people who heard, for instance, Cheney and the rest of the Bush team tell them that their marriage was in danger if homosexuals were allowed to marry, and that if they voted for Kerry a dirty bomb could be exploded here in (your town). The people who bought those arguments are still around--and they still vote. There are some new and some old versions of the villains: the Brown Peril (ask Rig), the government taking your health care options away, bureaucrat coming between you and your doctor. And anybody perceived as trying to deny the Christian background of the US--and, for instance, take "In God We Trust" off coins, "under God" from the Pledge, etc. You can argue Deism til you're blue in the face. But Sarah supporters don't do subtlety. And the history of the US is at any rate, believe it or not, more complex than it's often pictured on Mudcat threads. You can bet that any increases in health costs will be laid at the door of "Obamacare". And some people will in fact lose out, specifically those who now have "Medicare Advantage". I'd be willing to bet this includes our own Doug R. Not only is dear Sarah in the catbird seat for the Republican nomination, but the general election in 2012 will (as usual) depend heavily on the economy. And if for instance people have lost jobs and the new job doesn't pay anywhere near as much, they will be receptive to Sarah's list of villains. As I've said before, we can't do much about her. But one of the very few things we can do is to minimize her chances of ingratiating herself with more voters with her new Discovery show about Alaska--by contacting Discovery (and possibly the sponsors of said show) and trying to stifle it. I hope many are doing this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Apr 10 - 09:33 PM I suppose the question needs to be ask: She's a threat to whom? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Apr 10 - 09:59 PM Ah Rig, so perhaps you support her? This would be worth knowing. Simple question. Yes or no? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Apr 10 - 11:01 PM Ron - I have some empathy for her. After the failed VP attempt, she was besieged by by a number of law suits that Alaskan law let her polital enemies bring. She couldn't afford to deffend against the suits because all of the funds available to her were in the form of campaign funds and therefore untouchable. She resigned her post as the governor of Alaska, and has since generated 12 million bucks. The scum-bag-pig-fuckers who were bringing the suits have since been silenced. She has her own money now with which to defend herself, so like the hyenas they proved themselves to be, her political opponents have slunk off in search of easier prey. This says more about the political landscape in America than it says about Sarah Palin, but it tells me that this is somebody who can deal with adveresity, and who could be depended upon in a crunch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 15 Apr 10 - 12:53 AM Oh, Rig, are you ever wrong. Far from having "slunk off" one of the last suits brought has just been adjudicated- in Palin's favor. Many of these suits, incidentally, were brought before she became the vice presidential wannabe. Palin is not the picked-upon victim you yearn to console. She did many things awfully close to the line, and sometimes went over it. She had to pay some of the penalties the courts found her in violation of. By the way, two of the first laws this year's legislature passed were in direct response to Palin's tenure: #1: The Governor must live in the Governor's house that is provided and maintained by the state and #2: The Governor shall not live in his or her own home and charge the state per diem for being away from the Governor's house. But if this is how you wish to think of her, be my guest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Apr 10 - 07:28 AM Actually Rig's answer is quite revealing. He's obviously bought the propaganda of Sarah as poor persecuted--and blameless--victim. Anybody who doesn't think clearly or is unwilling to do research is likely to do the same. And there are lot of people by that description. As I said: propaganda works. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Apr 10 - 07:57 AM It seems to have worked on Ron Davies |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:03 AM Aside from all of that Palin and I don't agree on too much politically. But: I think there was an article circulating a few months ago about members of Congress who are being investigated by the House ethics committee. All of them were folks of meager means. They specifically decided not to investigate Jane Harman because she has so much personal wealth that they figured her legal team could beat the rap. People like Jay Rockerfeller and the Kennedys don't find themselves having to do things like charge per deim for their lodging because politics is just a game to them. Their money comes from someplace else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:07 AM I buy nothing of what Palin says--and I say she is a grave danger to the Republic. Rig--you obviously do buy the "Palin as victim" story. Next question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:36 AM What I buy is the political landscape in America has turned into a play ground for rich people--you either have to be one, or become a pawn of one to play. I'm encouraged when somebody has the gumption to buck the system. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:53 AM Rig- So you do buy the "Palin as victim" tripe. If not, please say so clearly. And--your batting average is sinking again-- at least since her selection as VP candidate, she has not "bucked the system" in the least. She has benefited hugely from it--and continues to do so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Apr 10 - 09:15 AM Look at Obama, for instance. He's a cog in a wheel. His handlers knew he couldn't run for office without some personal funds because of the way campaign funds are governed today, so they had some books published that were attributed to him, hyped the books and funneled money to him that way. Palin, on the other hand, walked into a buzz saw. They even went after her for her clothes. But she's a fast learner. She's not really a victim, any more than any other person trying to run for public office who is not part of a machine, but she overcame the adversity and moved on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 15 Apr 10 - 12:03 PM Rig, I said 'be my guest' in believing what you wish- but I do wish you would stay a little closer to solid truth. Shading the truth, i.e. "They even went after her for her clothes." is misleading, to say the least. Unless that is what you are after. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 15 Apr 10 - 12:23 PM Rig said, in part: His handlers . . . had some books published that were attributed to him, hyped the books and funneled money to him that way. Where and what is the evidence that Obama didn't write his own books, that they were merely "attributed to" him? Where is the evidence that "his handlers" (whatever that means) were behind the production and/or publication of the books? Where is the evidence that the books were merely a political front to funnel basically unearned funds to him? Bare charges and insinuations, based only on what you personally would like to believe or would like others to accept, don't constitute evidence to substantiate your position. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Apr 10 - 12:34 PM '"They even went after her for her clothes." is misleading, to say the least' Why is that misleading? There was a huge flap over the clothes that were purchased for Sarah Palin during the campaign. I don't recall anything like that coming up about any other candidate, ever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 15 Apr 10 - 12:38 PM Answer Uncle DaveO's question first, OK? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Apr 10 - 12:51 PM The books were sold, he got the money, he got elected, and he's serving in office now. What additional evidence would one need? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 15 Apr 10 - 12:57 PM oh. Good to know that we don't need evidence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Apr 10 - 01:06 PM We have the evidence. He shows up on television every once in a while. People say he's the president. I'm willing to believe them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 15 Apr 10 - 01:10 PM "Bare charges and insinuations, based only on what you personally would like to believe or would like others to accept, don't constitute evidence to substantiate your position." Unless they are against Palin: THEN they are perfectly acceptable, at least here. To demand a different level of evidence for those you like vs those you dislike is the very definition of prejudice,bias and bigotry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Amos Date: 15 Apr 10 - 02:40 PM Obama wrote his own books. Anyone who has paid any attention has seen this covered in the exhaustive media about him. Rig is just being snide and underhanded. Palin--a different kettle of fish. She may have written her own, or not, but anyone who has read some or all of the two authors would have to be totally tone deaf not to see the stark differences in their sense, perceptiveness, and humanity. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Apr 10 - 02:41 PM Obama declared $5.5 million income for 2009, and paid 1.8 million in taxes. Huffington Post 04-15-2010. They show his return in detail. Deduct his $1.4 million from the Nobel Prize, and that leaves $4.1 million from his books and investments. Not bad! Some writers are convinced that Bill Ayers wrote Obama's "Dreams....." some evidence in an article in the Washington Post, Short Stack, Book World editors, 2009-07. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Apr 10 - 02:44 PM I'm pretty much convinced, most recent political figures have ghost writers write their books. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 15 Apr 10 - 04:00 PM ,,,,, "Most" ,,,, That is a pure appeal to stereotyping and pre-judgment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Donuel Date: 15 Apr 10 - 04:02 PM Palin's Platoon only lefties may click here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: akenaton Date: 15 Apr 10 - 04:18 PM I'm with Rig here!....As a leftie, I dont agree with some of Sarah's ideas, but I do agree with her on others. I dont let my political opinions blind me to the truth....and there is a good bit of truth in "right wing" opinion, if the people holding those opinions are sincere. One large truth, is that Sarah has "guts a plenty" ande shares with most righties a true belief in what she stands for....she knows her vision is correct and make4s no apologies for holding her views. This is in direct contrast to most of the left, who are serial hypocrits... they like to talk about SOCIALISM, but it's the very last thing on earth that they want to live under. Sarah Palin....A woman from I suppose, a pretty ordinary background, who has produced and raised four children, keeps herself in great shape, has pushed herself on to become governor of the State of Alaska,while raising a real family. By force of personality and charisma, she has put herself into a position where a run for President of the United States of America is a distinct possibility.....This from an ordinary woman in a male dominated political class. It makes me laugh to see some of movers and shakers of Mudcat(irony)describe this phenomenon as .... Stupid! Boorish! Quitter! Airhead! Know Nuthin'/ Suspect nuthin'! Greedy! Egoist! Delusional! Can't hold a job! Flange head! Unable to read or write! I just wish we had a woman like Mrs Palin to inspire some of the apathetic people in the UK.....We are afflicted by a political class very much like yours. A class which spawned Blair, Brown, Clegg, Milliband, Cameron, Osbourne.....the list is endless.....weasel clones to a man!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 15 Apr 10 - 07:47 PM Ake, I am more of a socialist than anything, so you can include me out. (As Yogi Berra once said) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:33 PM Once in a long while, a little socialism rears its head, as in Wisconsin years ago, but soon the voters regain their sanity and whack it down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:50 PM "This is in direct contrast to most of the left, who are serial hypocrits... they like to talk about SOCIALISM, but it's the very last thing on earth that they want to live under." This can only be said by someone who does not realise/accept from His own recorded teachings, that Jesus was a total Socialist. (All that love/look after your neighbour nonsense!) :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Apr 10 - 09:00 PM Q-- "Some writers are convinced..."? Oh, c'mon. I have a lot of respect for your research above the line on Mudcat. But why is your standard for political threads so much lower than your standard for music threads? How would you like "some writers are convinced that Greensleeves was originally a Japanese tune" Source: Daily Mail.? Citing the Washington Post is not enough. Let's have a direct quote with exact source if you truly believe there is any evidence that Mr. Ayers wrote "Dreams" (should obviously be underlined, since it's a book, but I still can't figure that part out on this computer). Otherwise your offhand remark sounds remarkably like a smear. I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you never have liked Obama--you didn't try tremendously hard to hide your views on him in the runup to the 2008 election. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,TIA Date: 16 Apr 10 - 01:33 AM "they like to talk about SOCIALISM" BULLSHIT Fox News and their ilk love to talk about, and make accusations of, socialism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: akenaton Date: 16 Apr 10 - 02:57 AM FS....As an atheist, I have more faith in real Christianity than I have in "modern" socialism. In the UK the media is full of champagne socialists....harping on about public services and cant wait to send their kids to private schools.....they all use private healthcare. Socialism and Capitalism are incompatible. The media socialists and the chattering classes(mudcatters) all want the status quo.....Socialism is a great idea for everyone else! If you want real change, first you've got to be prepared to clear the ground......Slash and Burn! Kendall....I believe you are as you say, but supporting the one party Capitalist system or even "liberal democracy" will never bring about the sort of society you envisage. The real obstruction to change is in being sidetracked into policies...manufactured by those whole believe in the old divide and rule and their idiot assistants on the "liberal" loony fringe. Was Castro a liberal?.....well thats the closest thing to socialism that you are goin' to see for a while. I support the Cuban system but without Fidel as the strongman.....and the inspiration, would it have survived? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 16 Apr 10 - 07:45 AM Socialism seems to work in Sweden. They have the highest standard of living on earth. A combination of Socialism and capitalism works in the UK. "I don't want to see my party elected because of fear, bigotry and smear." (Margaret Chase Smith, republican from Maine during the McArthy hearings." We could use more republicans like her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:05 AM And Abe Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 16 Apr 10 - 11:30 AM The Republican Party left the planet with Ronald Reagan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 16 Apr 10 - 05:52 PM Ayers has been mentioned in the press as perhaps the ghost writer of "Dreams..." No positive information was implied. Getting back to Palin, future speaking engagements: April 22- Houston TX (Barbara Bush Literacy Foundation!) April 23- Eugene OR, Republican fund raiser April 29- Austin TX, Majella Society May 1- Independence MO, PAL (Preserving American Liberty) May 2- Wichita KS, Bethel Life School fundraiser May 13- Benton Harbor, MI, Economic Club of SW MI May 14- Charlotte NC, NRA National Convention. etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 16 Apr 10 - 06:39 PM First of all, Ake ol' buddy... I'm not sure where you are getting your information but most liberals that I know never discuss "socialism" in the context of their own persoanl politics... Ya' see, the word has been completely demonized her in the states to the point where folks on the left just don't use that term to any degree... As for Sarah Palin, Ake... Exactly what position is it that she has put forward that you agree with??? I mean, I've been waiting for a long time for her to articulate one real position but with the exception of that tricky PR slogane "Drill, Baby, Drill" she doesn't do positions... Oh yeah, she's for "freedom" and for "taiking our country back" but the just emot5ional empty rhetoric... Anyone can say those kinds of things without articulting one posotion on any real issue... BTW, "We don't like taxes" is not an issue, Ake, ol' boy... Or if one thinks it is then one has a responsibility to offer a a plan that deals with less revenue coming into the government... No plan, no position... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:03 PM "perhaps the ghost writer....". 1) Which "media"--with exact names and sources. As I said, "Washington Post" Book World doesn't cut it. A lot more specifics needed. 2) As it is, still sounds like a classic smear. You'll have to contact Rig to see if he has a franchise available in Smears R Us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:05 PM BTW, folks... Ms. Sarah is reported to have raked in a coool $12M in the last year... How you you spell "prostitute"??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:06 PM not "media", but rather "in the press" Same questions. Same diagnosis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:14 PM Bobert-- That's a bit harsh--she's no more a prostitute than any other politician. She's just exploiting the system. Does undercut her "victim" status a bit. And makes you wonder why anybody would be whining about how she was mistreated re: clothes, as we had just recently in the thread. Also supports what I said earlier--with no money worries, she's likely to turn to other goals to satisfy ambition. She is dangerous, as an accomplished demagogue-- and it's time for Mudcatters to wake up to that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:28 PM Also, Bobert, you better hope none of the womenz read what you wrote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Don Firth Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:29 PM Beware of the political figure who is all image and no substance. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 16 Apr 10 - 10:18 PM We've already experienced Ronald Reagan, Don, but some folks are too young to remember. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: beeliner Date: 16 Apr 10 - 11:17 PM Ake, I am more of a socialist than anything, so you can include me out. (As Yogi Berra once said) I think that was Sam Goldwyn, who also said (re TV), "People are staying away from the movies in droves!". I lived in a socialist country for almost ten years, the Federal Republic of Germany, and it was nice, for the first time in my life, to be able to say that I was a socialist without stopping conversation dead. Millions of American live in wretched poverty, sometimes for generations, unable to dig their way out. That is shameful. There's no poverty in Germany, not as we know it here. The president is nothing remotely like a socialist. Would that he were. He is, however, certainly an enormous improvement over that which preceeded him. The Germans think so too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Apr 10 - 12:26 AM Sorry, neither the Bundesrepublik nor Sweden are socialist. Both are mixed socialist and capitalist. To have socialist aspects you need financing from somewhere. Usually it's the tax base--which means taxing firms as well as individuals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: beeliner Date: 17 Apr 10 - 12:31 AM Germany is socialist in the sense that the society, not the individual, is considered the basic unit. I guess you could call that 'socialist by definition'. I've never been to Sweden. Nor have I ever been to Spain - but I kinda like the music. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: mousethief Date: 17 Apr 10 - 01:15 AM I hear the ladies are insane there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 17 Apr 10 - 09:25 AM Funny thing about Ms. Sarah and here followers is that I doubt seriously if any of them, Ms./ Sarah included" could come close to defining waht "socialism" really is... But there is a reason for this and it also is one of the reasons that the US is in decline internationally on lots of levels... We have a dumbed down population that has been slowly but surely striped of all abilities to think critically... That leaves only rote memory and, to be truthful, not alot of that... So these only understand bumper sticker lenght policy psoitions... Actually, that don't really understand them at all... They parrot them... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 17 Apr 10 - 09:32 AM Sorry, neither the Bundesrepublik nor Sweden are socialist. SHIT!!! Ya mean Rush and Glenn and the BuShites and the Teabaggers are WRONG?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Apr 10 - 09:34 AM There seems to be an amazing amount of fuzzy thinking about economics around here. For instance, Sweden is often cited as socialist. OK, Wikipedia is not reliable on everything. But on this it has the ring of truth. Sweden , prime example of the "Nordic model" has social security, health care and free education. However, also: "Sweden's energy market is largely privatized." "Sweden has always provided solid support for free trade (except agriculture) and strong property rights" " "Sweden's industry is overwhelmingly in private control; unlike some other industrialized Western countries, such as Austria and italy, publicly owned enterprises were always of minor importance." So it appears that in some respects Italy is far more "socialist" than Sweden. Will Italy now be the socialist paradise of choice for Mudcatters?. Face it, it's Sweden's capitalism in large part which makes its socialist aspects financially possible. And in fact may well be a reason it is better shape than Italy, which has much more state ownership of some firms. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 17 Apr 10 - 09:36 AM Blog-O-Pedia, Ron, is not reliable on many if not most things and is authoritative on none. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Apr 10 - 09:38 AM Yes, it's the very same evil capitalist system which makes Sweden's success financially possible. "Socialism", I'm sorry to say, does not pay for itself. Unless you think that for instance Cuba should be your model. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Apr 10 - 10:12 AM Fine, Greg. So you will now tell us where it is wrong on this. For instance; "strong support for free trade", "Sweden's industry is overwhelmingly in private control". We'll start with those. True or false? Why does it seem likely that it will take you a few eons to refute these? Looks like you've lashed yourself to the mast of another sinking ship. Situation normal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 17 Apr 10 - 02:29 PM More interesting than the material that one finds in Wikipedia files, is quit often the material that one determines to have been removed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Apr 10 - 03:07 PM Sweden, Canada and all countries that fall into that group are capitalist with a touch of socialism (medicare, etc.). True socialist societies are non-existant; they cannot exist in a competitive world. (The pueblo Indians of North and Central America, once moderately socialist, have become capitalist-socialist mixed societies). Communism is non-existant; Cuba has a strong centralized controlled government (directed from the top); North Korea is similar but much more repressive and tightly controlled. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Apr 10 - 04:12 PM Very true observations, Q, but it doesn't stop an amazing number of Mudcatters from seeing socialist paradises in an impressive number of places. They seem to have little clue what would finance socialist aspects of a society. Still waiting for Greg's refutation of my points on Sweden. It's gonna be a long wait. Wikipedia is just like any other source. Can't be accepted alone, but if supported by other sources, should not be rejected out of hand. And the data on Sweden can easily be confirmed. Much to dear Greg's discomfort. He does have a strange compulsion to lash himself to the mast of sinking ships. Pobrecito. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Apr 10 - 04:16 PM "masts of sinking ships." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 18 Apr 10 - 02:27 PM Sorry Simple Seeker, not playing your bait & switch & baffle 'em with minutiae games. Overall, I stand behind my analysis of Blog-O-Pedia. If they (or you, for that matter) would like to hire me as an editor and fact-checker for a decent salary, I'd consider the offer. Let me know, will ya? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Apr 10 - 08:39 PM Don't hold your breath, Greg. I'm afraid your track record on facts and logic is not the best--you're in no danger of being hired. It's actually fairly obvious that you've never done any research--otherwise you'd know the truth of my observation on determining the worth of sources. Yet you've told us you're a professor. A professor who's never done any research. Interesting. And you were going to tell us why my facts on Sweden are wrong. Can't imagine how that slipped your mind. Your ship is still sinking. Why don't you untie yourself from the mast? Just imagine--all you'd have to do is think before hitting "send". You'd cut down dramatically on your embarrassing errors. Just try it some time. Your whole life would brighten up. A bit of friendly advice--since you know we only want the best for you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 18 Apr 10 - 10:51 PM Haha... Here in Mudville, where the average I.Q.s tend to be in the high end, we have all this quabblin' over what and what isn't "socialism"??? So, with that as a backdrop, it is no wonder that Ms. Sarah with her 100 I.Q. (with a tail wind) could get a bunch of rednecks with collective I.Q.'s in the "dull-normal" range all lathered up over Obama tryin' to turn the country into a socailist nation... BTW, "dull-normal" I.Q.s ain't all that bad if all ya gotta do is figure out how to get 15 tatooes on yer arms, how to cut two holes in the bed of yer perfectly good pickup truck and run some chrome exhaust pipes thru them 15 feet into the air and spend every waking minute sittin' in front of a TV watching cars go round and round and round and round and round.... But, pleease, don't burden Billy Bob down with explaining what socialism is unless you just want a good laugh... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Apr 10 - 11:34 PM My point is that Billy Bob isn't the only one to be confused on "socialism". I gather that's your point too, Bobert? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,kendall Date: 19 Apr 10 - 05:31 AM Bobert, LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 19 Apr 10 - 08:30 AM Yet you've told us you're a professor. Absolutely untrue, Simple Seeker. I never claimed to be a piano player in a whorehouse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:23 AM Dictionary's definition of Socialism: A stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Apr 10 - 09:19 PM Mirriam Webster Collegiate- Socialism- 1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. 2a. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property. b. a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state. 3. the one cited by Ringinslinger. No matter how you slice it, it's still baloney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Apr 10 - 09:21 PM "...piano player in a whorehouse". Well, that's a relief. At least no students are being subjected to the patented Greg F method of teaching. But I'll have to admit I was unfair in stating that he has obviously never done research. It's certainly possible that he has attempted to do research. My assertion was not justified. So we must consider other reasons for his lack of recognition of my elementary observation on sources. 1) His fragile ego cannot stand the awful admission that somebody else may be correct--and that he is not. 2) His ideological blinders are on so tight that he cannot fathom anything outside his narrow world view. 3) He just likes to run off at the mouth, and doesn't mean to be taken seriously. Being full of the milk of human kindness, I will venture that the truth is probably mostly #2, with a bit of #3. (But who knows, #1 may play a role also.) I on the other hand am always willing to admit error. In fact I am still patiently waiting for the poster in question to tell me exactly why I am wrong on my data on Sweden--specifically that "Sweden's industry is overwhelmingly in private control" and "Sweden has always provided solid support for free trade (except agriculture) and strong property rights". But as I noted earlier, it looks like it will be a long wait for dear Greg to refute these points. His ship is still sinking. As I observed earlier, he could easily remedy his problem by the simple expedient of starting to think---before posting. Which, unfortunately, doesn't look likely any time soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 19 Apr 10 - 09:39 PM In fact I am still patiently waiting for the poster in question to tell me exactly why I am wrong on my data on Sweden... And you're going to have to KEEP waiting, Oh All-Knowing Simple Seeker, for the simple reason that I never said that your data on Sweden was wrong, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:13 PM Of course not. The poster just told us Wikipedia was authoritative on nothing--directly after I had cited it. I'm sure there couldn't have been an implication that therefore what I said was also questionable. Of course not. The difference between us appears to be that I deal in logic, common sense and research, while dear Greg appears to have no more than a passing acquaintance with any of the above. But at least he's comfortable back in the gutter. Above all else, we on Mudcat want Greg to be happy. What higher purpose could there be to life? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:22 PM Oh Omniscient and Infallible Simple Seeker After truth: By all means imagine and infer anything you wish. I would suggest, however, as a better alternative that you first learn to read and comprehend the English Language. Surely there is a branch of the Literacy Volunteers in your area? Their classes are free. You truly are in love with the sound of your own voice, aren't you? And you do go on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:50 PM Q - The point is, Socialism is not Communism. Some posters continue to try to make the case that it is. It's all a matter of degree. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Apr 10 - 11:41 PM So, it appears that my psychoanalysis of Greg was accurate after all-- the answer was #3--he himself says that his remark about Wikipedia was just to run off at the mouth, and should be ignored. It was not meant to have anything to do with the topic at all--no bearing whatsoever on whether Sweden is "socialist" or not. Though I do suspect that #2 (blinkered world view) plays a role--and possibly # 1. Well, at least we know how much weight to give any of his further contributions. If he's more comfortable just waffling on about nothing, that's fine. Obviously he's decided that actually trying to think before hitting "send" is just too demanding. And as I said, above all, we want him to be happy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 20 Apr 10 - 08:23 AM Oh, come on you two! Argue, debate, discuss all you want but please, knock off the name calling. It really detracts from your dialog. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Amos Date: 20 Apr 10 - 09:28 AM "Sarah Palin thinks Barack Obama is a wimp. She's been going around to Tea Party rallies, invoking the spirit of revolutionary Boston and castigating Obama for failing to exalt American power and punish our adversaries. She seems blissfully unaware that the imperial arrogance she's preaching isn't how the American founders behaved. It's how the British behaved, and why they lost. Palin represents everything the original Tea Party was against. "Two months ago, the modern Tea Party held its national convention in Tennessee. There, Palin ridiculed Obama for "reaching out to hostile regimes, writing personal letters to dangerous dictators and apologizing for America." "We need a strong national defense," she demanded. "We must spend less time courting our adversaries." "Last week, at a tax-day rally in Boston, she resumed her attack. Tea Party activists "will never apologize for being American," she snarked. Our military power is "a force for good throughout this world, and that is nothing to apologize for." She even implied a divine right to fossil fuel. "God knows we have the resources," she told the crowd. "He created them for our use right here in America." "On Friday, she lit into Obama for saying that America is a superpower "whether we like it or not." On her Facebook page, she asked, "Mr. President, is a strong America a problem?" She accused Obama of being "more comfortable with an American military that isn't quite so dominant," and she faulted him for trying "to apologize for America when he travels overseas." On Saturday, she told reporters, "I would hope that our leaders in Washington, D.C., understand we like to be a dominant superpower. I don't understand a world view where we have to question whether we like it or not that America is powerful."" (Slate) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 20 Apr 10 - 09:28 AM Kendall, Ron dubbed HIMSELF the "Simple Seeker Afrer truth"- so guess he's calling himself names. But then, most of his performances are staged primarily for his own enjoyment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Apr 10 - 04:28 PM Sorry, Rings, should have added communism. No matter how you slice it, it's still baloney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,kendall Date: 20 Apr 10 - 07:48 PM I have no problem with Simple seeker etc, but ASSHOLE? Yes I do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: gnu Date: 20 Apr 10 - 08:30 PM Left this thread long ago. BUT, I heard on the news today... she made $12M last year. $12M. A twit. Gosh. There are a lot of twits out there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 20 Apr 10 - 09:34 PM There are a lot of twits out there, but not very many of them make 12 million bucks every few months. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 20 Apr 10 - 09:50 PM I have no problem with Simple seeker etc, but ASSHOLE? Yes I do. I sympathiz ewith your problem, Kendall, but I've had problems with this asshole, too, for quite a while. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,kendall Date: 21 Apr 10 - 07:04 AM The fact is, we are ALL assholes to someone! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 21 Apr 10 - 08:48 AM Well, it's just slightly disappointing that one of Greg's posts, the one to which Kendall refers, has been deleted, it appears. At least I can't find it. It's a shame that's gone, since it illuminates the essence of Greg F so sharply--bankrupt of logic, facts and any debate skills, he returns to his true habitat---the gutter. Now let's just examine the initial exchange which has brought us to this point, since it illustrates Greg's MO so clearly--and not just with me. 1) A Mudcatter--I'm the one this time, but it's often Doug R--makes an observation contrary to Mudcat conventional wisdom. (I hasten to add that I disagree with Doug R on virtually everything--as he knows.) 2) Greg F responds, not directly, but in his patented approach--sneering at either the Mudcatter or the source--or both--with a snide, simplistic and at its base totally meaningless remark--contributing precisely nothing to the discussion. Here it was, as far as I remember: " Blog-O-Pedia, Ron, is not reliable on many, if not most, things, and is authoritative on none". A particularly gratuitously stupid and pointless remark--especially since, anticipating this, I had already prefaced my remarks about Sweden by saying that I realized Wikipedia is not reliable on everything. "But on this it has the ring of truth." 3) When challenged directly to tell us why the data on Sweden are wrong, he scuttles under the nearest rock, denying he said anything, and that anything he has been caught in behaving idiotically is "minutiae" And of course he falls into the gutter on the way to the rock. A fascinating case study. Many thanks to Greg for behaving just as predicted. The little mouse pushed open all of the right doors. Had this been an experiment, it would have been judged a rousing success. And, of course, even after all this, whether Greg will learn to think--before posting--is, as always--to put it mildly, still a very open question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 21 Apr 10 - 08:53 AM Thanks, Greg, for proving yet again that your true home is indeed the gutter. QED It's always a pleasure discussing with you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 21 Apr 10 - 09:10 AM ...one of Greg's posts, the one to which Kendall refers, has been deleted, it appears. At least I can't find it. Wrong, as usual, oh Omniscient And Pompous One- its right here: Date: 19 Apr 10 - 09:39 PM All that was deleted were the 2 words "comma, a$$hole" following the penultimate comma. Guess you still need to brush up on reading & comprehending the English language, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 21 Apr 10 - 09:41 AM We all know there is a law against name calling here, so no one should be surprised when a word such as Asshole is deleted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 21 Apr 10 - 07:12 PM Did I say I was surprised? Or bothered by its deletion? Nope- and I'm not either. Strange, tho, that much worse things don't get deleted.....one need not use vulgarisms to engage in "name- calling". All in the eye of the beholder, I suppose, Kendall. And you just used the naughty word- lets see what happens to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 21 Apr 10 - 08:19 PM The difference is, I did not direct that word as a personal attack. That is the key word..personal attack. They are not allowed. It is difficult, if not impossible to monitor all threads to delete all attacks. The volunteers have other things to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 21 Apr 10 - 08:50 PM "I've had problems..." Indeed? That sounds amazingly like: "I can dish it out but I can't take it." Well the poster might want to consider developing a thicker skin. And if that doesn't work--or if his ego is too tender--why does that come to mind?--perhaps starting to think and not lashing himself to the masts of quite so many sinking ships. Or of course he can always continue to whine, if that makes him feel better. I certainly hope it does. As I said earlier, our main goal on Mudcat is to make him happy. The poster might also want to consider standup comedy. Somebody who suggests that I need remedial English, while himself suffering from such a pathetic grasp of the language that he needs nearly constant recourse to vulgarisms, is obviously a brilliant comic talent and should look into this possibility. By the way, I've had absolutely no problems with the poster in question. I find our exchanges delightful and quite revealing. And fascinating, as I've mentioned before. By the way, how's the little mouse? Back to the actual topic of the thread: dear Sarah It seems that her Discovery show was recently screened for the prospective ad sponsors. They considered such a mismatch that they laughed at it. It's likely now to be consigned to the nether reaches of the schedule. Next best thing to getting it cancelled. She still gets her $2 million, no doubt. Only question now is: will people still watch it and be won over by Sarah's no doubt warm approach. But thanks to anybody who did contact Discovery and try to have her show dropped from the schedule. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 21 Apr 10 - 08:59 PM "they considered it such.." "no doubt warm approach?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 21 Apr 10 - 09:06 PM How tall are you, Simple Seeker? You present like one of those short, little men who are compelled to overcompensate due to deep feelings of inadequacy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 21 Apr 10 - 09:07 PM That is the key word..personal attack. They are not allowed. Yes, Mother. And by the way, how would you characterise Simple Seekers last 2 postings? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Apr 10 - 09:37 PM Frankly, I think she could narrate the show just fine without bringing a bunch of political overtones into it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 22 Apr 10 - 06:41 AM DONT MAKE ME CALL JOE! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 22 Apr 10 - 06:42 AM To answer your question, you both need to grow up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Apr 10 - 02:08 PM Certain sites claim to not open unless the applicant swears he/she is eighteen. Should mudcat have a similar requirement? (Sign me eighty going on eighteen). Palin sort of got lost as far as this thread is concerned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Apr 10 - 07:54 PM Bristol seems to be doing well too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 22 Apr 10 - 09:14 PM So the poster believes name-calling is possible without gutter language. I have no doubt. he also seems to imply that I have in fact done this. Exact quotes, please. I do not engage in name-calling. I do make pointed observations on behavior, without using barnyard language to do so--which is the refuge of the semiliterate. Perhaps the poster has learned a bit about Sweden--and a bit about debate. If so, our conversation has been more than worthwhile. If I can contribute in some small way to his education, it is an eminently worthy goal. Heaven knows his education appears to be sorely lacking up to now. Apropos of this, when suggesting remedial English, perhaps the poster should be looking in the mirror. I make no pretensions whatsoever to being a good Christian. It's far more fun to be a sinner--and I'm not in the least religious. But I'm a firm believer in "hate the sin, not the sinner" In this context, I'm sure the poster is a calm, well-informed, modest, easy-going, friendly individual. So it's quite a mystery why he has chosen a surly, sneering, intolerant, ignorant but arrogant (truly a winning combination), foul-mouthed persona on Mudcat. It's as if the persona is a Martin Gibson wannabe. I assure him this persona is not a good choice. We don't need "Martin Gibson: The Return"--though I'm sure it would be an exciting sequel. Re: Sarah Washington Post 22 April 2010: "None of the leading potential 2012 contenders has been as aggressive at the endorsement game as Sarah Palin, who has helped two dozen candidates so far." As I said, she knows how to play the game--and is making all the moves necessary to preface a 2012 run. Mudcatters will have to take her seriously--or pay the consequences. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 22 Apr 10 - 10:14 PM That sounds amazingly like: "I can dish it out but I can't take it." May sound like that to you, Little Man Seeker, but what it IS is "I can't be bothered. As Kendall reminded me: "He that wrestles with a turds sure to be beshit." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Apr 10 - 02:54 AM Ron Davies: "Mudcatters will have to take her seriously--or pay the consequences." I think they resent her so much, because dealing with her is having to make them THINK! ......and they are more emotional re-reactionary parrots, than thinkers of original thoughts!...or logic, out of that 'comfort zone'. Respectfully, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Apr 10 - 08:40 AM That's a goot point, Sanity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 23 Apr 10 - 09:25 PM I'd like to request a posting from the real Greg F--the knowledgeable, reasonable, even-tempered scholar---rather than the smarmy, hairtrigger, gutter-dwelling, would-be Martin Gibson persona. Seems a reasonable request. We'll see. Re: Sarah: Guest from Sanity, I think you've hit it dead on. Many left of center can't bring themselves to realize they may well have to deal with her---soon. I think they're starting to grapple with it, though. It took a while. After Reagan and GWB, you'd think they'd learn. Demagoguery and propaganda work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 23 Apr 10 - 09:31 PM "Parrots" is a bit strong though. Not all of them just spew leftist nostrums and wallow in conspiracy theories. Some do, but a fair number are willing to deal with reality--as we've seen on this thread. I just hope they realize that this fall they have to support Senators and Congressmen who support Obama--or Sarah and those of her ilk will get even more clout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 23 Apr 10 - 10:17 PM The key to almost all of these issues is--in my humble opinion--a lack of education, which I think the public owes to its young people. Yet school districts around the country are laying off teachers and talking about going to 4 day schedules and eliminating subject matter. Now that's a problem! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:00 AM Rigs: "....Yet school districts around the country are laying off teachers and talking about going to 4 day schedules and eliminating subject matter. Now that's a problem! " Being as the school systems are flooded with left wing teachers, and the teacher unions.....maybe not!!!! GfS P.S. Shit, their not learning much anyway!..maybe they should be home, helping mom and dad...probably learn more that way!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: mousethief Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:20 AM Education costs money. Sell all those brats to the Chinese as slave labour and have done with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:33 AM Mouser: "Education costs money. Sell all those brats to the Chinese as slave labour and have done with it." Gosh, why does that statement not surprise me, coming from a self proclaimed homosexual!?!?!?!! Ooops! Waving, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: mousethief Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:37 AM Put away the crack before the crack puts you away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Apr 10 - 01:21 AM Same to you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 24 Apr 10 - 03:20 AM Wow. Where did that come from? GfS, you are amazing. And I don't mean that in a good way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 24 Apr 10 - 08:30 AM I'd like to request a posting from the real Greg F... So, how tall ARE you, Simple Little Seeker? Seems a reasonable request, & seemed so when I originally queried 3 days ago... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 24 Apr 10 - 10:23 AM Even less to do with Palin than Sweden did--but 6 ft. Wonder why the scholar needs to know that. And how tall are you, Greg? Ebbie-- Do you still think Sarah won't run in 2012? Do you know something from her history that indicates she won't run? Since you may have information the rest of us don't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 24 Apr 10 - 10:50 AM Wonder why the scholar needs to know that. See: Date: 21 Apr 10 - 09:06 PM Then something else must be the cause. Simple. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Apr 10 - 11:59 AM Ebbie, where did that come from??..I don't find,'...selling the little brats to China' in the least way amusing! Obama is racking up our debt to China so huge and fast, we've already sold out our future generation, into Chinese debt already!!! Not that this present self absorbed, self entitled generation gives a rat's ass...and Mouser, on a previous thread question me on why didn't I think homosexuals would be 'good' parents. Couple those two together, and the reply speaks for itself! Don't like it???..tough shit! And at that, I'll let it go. I wasn't intending to do anything other than reply to that frame of mind that would even consider, or conjure up, such an ass-brained remark as selling one's kids, as slave labor!....satirical, or not!!!!! Most Sincerely, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:02 PM I gather you don't approve of Jonathan Swift, then? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Amos Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:04 PM GfS: Madma, you are bouncing off the walls, here. Mousethief a homosexual? His humorous remark, a brief fugue of fantasy, taken from its ground and used as an argument? Fie on you for short circuiting your presumed potential for rationality. The debt to China is largely an artifact of the Bush administration, in case you had not noticed. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:04 PM Nice try, Greg. "inadequacy"--not likely. How tall are you, by the way? Fair is fair. And how about it, Ebbie? Do you still think Sarah won't run in 2012? It would be good to just get back to the topic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:07 PM Ron, I don't have any more information than you, other than word of mouth from friends and acquaintances and from the occasional comic routine in town. I have to admit I would never have believed that she would accept the bid to become vice president either so perhaps it's all wishful thinking on my part. I do think that she is the Ronald Reagan of the distaff side. And we know how that turned out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: mousethief Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:23 PM Guest Far From Sanity: Same to you! I get it now. You're in junior high school. Much is explained. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:26 PM "inadequacy"--not likely. Classic denial. One needs to admit there is a problem before one can begin to address it, Little Simple Seeker. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: mousethief Date: 24 Apr 10 - 12:48 PM GFS: Couple those two together, and the reply speaks for itself! You really are too much. A confirmed homophobe, and entirely incapable of understanding reason or satire. Next you'll tell me what kind of car I drive based on a sarcastic remark about British footwear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 24 Apr 10 - 01:16 PM Greg, do you actually have anything constructive to say on the topic of the thread? It would be a pleasant change. I also note with interest that you have not answered the earlier question I put to you-which was after all your own question. At least we should not hear any more about Sweden being a socialist state. I suppose that's progress. You're right, Ebbie. As I noted before, Reagan's trajectory is the one Sarah has picked out for herself. And, depending on the economy between now and 2012, it could work--unfortunately. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 24 Apr 10 - 01:48 PM At least we should not hear any more about Sweden being a socialist state. Wrong One More Time, oh Omniscient Simple Little Seeker- Nowhere did I EVER say that Sweden was a socialist state. In point of fact, I never mentioned Sweden at all! Don't you ever tire of being wrong? More BS from a serial bullshitter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 24 Apr 10 - 01:59 PM Nor, Greg, did I ever say you said Sweden was a socialist state. You did however make a singularly pointless statement which a reasonable person would conclude was contradicting my statement just previous, based partly on Wikipedia, that Sweden was not a socialist state. (No I will not diagram that sentence.) And I have read on Mudcat that Sweden was a socialist state. Perhaps now I won't see it again. I'm interested in facts. Some people have other interests. You're a bit sensitive. Not enough sleep? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 24 Apr 10 - 02:01 PM And I would ask you--again--how tall you are. But that would be pointless. People can--and do--allege anything they want on the Net. Now, how about the actual thread topic? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,Guesr from Sanity Date: 24 Apr 10 - 02:05 PM Amos: "Madma,......Huh? Spelling problems again?? refer to the other post in regards to that! His humorous remark, a brief fugue of fantasy, taken from its ground and used as an argument? Fie on you for short circuiting your presumed potential for rationality.... Well, I suppose you found it humorous...as humorous as.........> "The debt to China is largely an artifact of the Bush administration, in case you had not noticed." What?????!!!???? Did you forget that Obama ran up more debt in his first year, that All PRESIDENTS BEFORE HIM combined????? WHO BOUGHT THE DEBT, Einstein? Now, back to the topic of 'morons'....... ..and stay tuned to the next episode of 'Amos and Obama, A Love Story' GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: gnu Date: 24 Apr 10 - 03:35 PM When does troll season begin? I got a whack of ammo I ain't gonna use for hunting anymore. Probably could be put to far better use. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 24 Apr 10 - 04:43 PM And the point Guesr was trying to make was...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 24 Apr 10 - 06:06 PM Now, how about the actual thread topic? Glad to oblige, Little Seeker! To whit: After studing both Sarah Palin's and Simple Seeker's speeches and writings at some length, they have much in common: vapid, bombastic, self-aggrandizing, somewhat pompous, and riddled with errors, wild assumptions, conclusions based on little or no evidence and other innacuracies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 24 Apr 10 - 06:13 PM Gads, you guys. Get a room. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 24 Apr 10 - 06:28 PM Over & Out, Ebbie- Ta- Greg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 24 Apr 10 - 06:56 PM Ronald Raygun spent more money that all other presidents combined. I didn't hear any outrage then. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: 3refs Date: 24 Apr 10 - 07:20 PM One question! Which among you, puts your political skills above hers? And, if your answer is me, then why don't I see your name up there?(that's two). I'll suggest that she is more like most of us are, than most of us are willing to admit! I'm a dumb, backwards-ass-canuck(according to some)nimblefuckinminded hillbilly and she can make her case to me in a language that I can understand! I say THANKS! It may not be the King's English, But I get her point! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Apr 10 - 07:26 PM I think maybe it's time to cool things down a bit, because a number of people are getting downright nasty. I'm going to close this thread. Feel free to start another thread on this topic (and provide a link to this one), but try to make it a bit more civil. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
