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Subject: BS: She's at it again From: GUEST,Kendall Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:22 PM Sarah Palin stated that Obama doesn't know much about foreign affairs, yeah, like she does? At least he knows how to pronounce "Nuclear" properly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Charmion Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:51 PM Perhaps her problem is that he doesn't "know" the things she "knows". |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: gnu Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:51 PM Good lord. What an airhead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Wesley S Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:04 PM You expected something different? |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: akenaton Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:27 PM Not another "Lets all piss on a woman" thread. The next US Pres has GOT to be a woman, and if the choice is between Hillary and Sarah, I'd like it to be the real thing! |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:32 PM A choice between Hillary and Sarah? And it would be difficult to choose? Surely you jest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: gnu Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:40 PM I believe it's a piss on SP thread... well deserved, I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:49 PM I cant believe that anyone with an IQ over 60 would vote for that flange head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: akenaton Date: 11 Apr 10 - 01:53 PM gnu....the last few anti- Sarah threads have been so foul and personal....it has to be more than politics. Ebbs....If I was American I would vote for whom I thought actually believed what they said... and Hillary is too much of a professional politician for my taste.....more faces than Big Ben! Dont suppose Sarah will make Pres tho'....you folks haven't the guts! Just keep on keeping on with the weasels!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Apr 10 - 02:07 PM From over here, the impression is often that it's not always the most intelligent & aware who make your best presidents, but those with some other sort of Ingredient XYZ which can emerge after election. Mrs Palin looks as if she just might have it ~~ just see, why dontcha, the way she's got all of you lot reacting on all these threads ~~ if she is such a patently and self-evidently airheaded idiot, how come you can't all just STFU about her & leave her to stew in her own juice, eh? Why even bother to start another thread with a title like this one's? But, then, waddoo I know; just a dumb Brit. Pay me no mind... ~Michael~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: gnu Date: 11 Apr 10 - 02:13 PM It is more than politics, Ake. She just plain stunned as me arse. Aim your flame thrower elsewhere. Oh, yeah... goodbye. Have fun kids. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Apr 10 - 02:26 PM Sarah Palin ranks third, behind Romney and Paul, as a Republican presidential candidate choice for 2012. Given the present mood of the American public (not the lefties who fill up the below-the-line posts on Mudcat), she has a good chance of being elected if nominated. I think her chances of nomination are slim; Romney looks like the next Republican candidate and the next American president (of course J. Bush of Florida might enter the ring, but I think he will wait for the next round). |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 11 Apr 10 - 03:44 PM I started this thread because I damn well felt like it. Where I come from, we have something called the 1st amendment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 11 Apr 10 - 04:15 PM Someone, styling him/herself an undifferentiated GUEST, said: Not another "Lets all piss on a woman" thread. Not just "a woman", nor yet "women"; this is Palin, who deserves treatment just for who she is, and the persona she individually offers. Being "a woman" does not, and should not, serve as a shield against criticism and dislike. She Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: beeliner Date: 11 Apr 10 - 05:22 PM ...she has a good chance of being elected if nominated. Right-wingers were saying the same thing about Goldwater in 1964, and if nominated, she will probably do about as well as he, IF - and it's a big IF - the GOP remains united. If there is a splinter party, "Tea" or whatever, to split the vote, a Democratic victory is assured. American voters don't like nor trust extremists on either side, and no one who could reasonably be so described has ever been elected US president. FDR probably came closest, but those were times when extreme measures were deemed necessary. Also, she has established herself as a quitter. When the governorship of Alaska became too much for her, she walked away. Not a good qualification for a presidential candidate. Finally, nearly every time she opens her mouth, she shows herself to be not only boorish but extremely stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: katlaughing Date: 11 Apr 10 - 05:22 PM Thank you, Uncle Dave O! Couldn't have said it better m'self. Michael, dear, we've got nothing on you Brits and your endless piss-up threads...we're just trying to catch up!*bg* kit, kat Oh, ake, tsk, darlin'...SP *believes* she can see Russia from her front door in Alaska; she believes in creationism, wildlife slaughter and environmental destruction. For all we know, she may believe the earth is flat, too! So, those are good enough reasons to let her lead the world to hell in a salmon basket? Jeepers, that's some process there you have for choosing a candidate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: mousethief Date: 11 Apr 10 - 05:32 PM beeliner: Finally, nearly every time she opens her mouth, she shows herself to be not only boorish but extremely stupid. And yet wins hearts and minds in so doing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Apr 10 - 05:37 PM You too Kat darling ~~ Choccie-bar 〠 |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: beeliner Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:00 PM And yet wins hearts and minds in so doing. H. L. Mencken would love it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:24 PM I cant believe that anyone with an IQ over 60 would vote for that flange head. Well, she has the entire Tea Party voting block then. |
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Subject: RE: BS: She's at it again From: Lox Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:31 PM "I cant believe that anyone with an IQ over 60 would vote for that flange head." I think you should put music to that line and release it as a single. I'd buy it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: olddude Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:39 PM it would take me 1000 years to write all the reasons she is not qualified for any office |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Amos Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:41 PM This is not a "dump on women/a woman" thread. It 's a "dump on blatant stupidity" thread. Glen Beck gets the same treatment, for the same reason. This issue is not whether she believes what she says or not, but whether what she says parallels reality of not. Many pof Sarah's most famous remarks are completely divorced from reality. You don't want a massively delusory case making policy decisions; we tried that for eight years and had miserable results. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Apr 10 - 06:50 PM "too much of a professional politician for my taste" ... means 'would be happier with an ignorant loud mouth lunatic, more like himself'? sigh.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Apr 10 - 07:20 PM "MtheGM" "if she is such a patently and self-evidently airheaded idiot, how come you can't all just STFU about her & leave her to stew in her own juice" Ah! we Aussies had 'Pauline' over here - the problem with following your good intentioned advice is that she DID get elected - once in, she never 'improved' - not even her display of 'excellent language' - and she was the reason that the Aussie 'Liberal Party' then moved so far to the Right (to claw back votes from HER followers!) under Johnny Howard - and it took long enough to undo THAT damage - including having this turkey be one of the few ever sitting Aussie Prime Ministers to lose his OWN seat (in his own party stronghold!) that they made even Sarah Palin look 'Left of Centre'... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bill D Date: 11 Apr 10 - 07:31 PM I repeat, over & over, repetitiously.... Sarah has no interest in being president. It would be too much work and pays much less than she is making just allowing the idea to She is doing what SHE wants now....just causing controversy and pushing right-wing causes....and collecting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Apr 10 - 08:05 PM Going Rogue has sold 2.2 million of a press run (so far) or 2.7 million. The advance to her on the book by Harper-Collins was $7 million. Her literary agent will get about $2.5 million of that. These figures are averaged guesses from several sources; NY Times, ABC, CNN, Daily Finance and Politico. Lets say that these figures are overblown, but she still became an instant millionaire even if the figures are cut. Book companies seldom give out full figures until the last dog barks, but the above are the estimate from followers of the market. If the buyers of her book have an IQ of below 60 (Greg F.), pity the US; thats an awful lot of ignorance. On the other hand, what it really reflects is the anger of the middle-of-the-road American at the failure of their expectations and a search for any cure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 11 Apr 10 - 08:35 PM On another thread I made a staement that what we are perhaps seein' is the "Epsilon Revolt" (my term, BTW) which alludes to Aldous Huxley's 1932 novel entiltle "Barve New World"... In that novel, Huxley suggests that in the future people will be *produced* based on the needs of society... The various levels that Huxley talks about certainly mimick the real world as we know it with the "Alphas" being at the top and given the DNA that allows them to be creative and leaders... Then there are various levels of other people from Betas, to Gammas all the way down the I.Q. chart to the Epsilons... I've been giving a lot of thought to the Tea Party people and, okay, some might say that I am being an elitists here but Sarah Palin is like the Queen of the Epsilons and the Epsilons are unhappy so they have banded together to try to t5ake over the show... The problem here, I hate to say it, is that these people are not intellegent enought to govern... They act on emotion first, second and third and bring nothing to the table in terms of understanding real world problems or the complex solutions... Yeah, they can recite bumper sticker positons but that's about as far as they got... It's sad... Not because these people are so ill-infomrmed and ill-prepared to govern but t5hat they are so easilly manipulated by people who have money to make offf these poor people's ignorance... I find it very interesting the the silver-spooners have so easilly manipulated the plastic-spoon Epsilons to do the silver-spooner's bidding??? As for Sarah??? She looks good but like someone allready pointed out, she is indeed an "air head"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: kendall Date: 11 Apr 10 - 08:36 PM So, she will get rich. Good for her, considering she can't hold a job. I was going to send her an e mail to correct her grammar, but the only way to do that is to sign up as a fan. Not bloody likely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 11 Apr 10 - 08:58 PM "Sarah Palin stated that Obama doesn't know much about foreign affairs, yeah, like she does?" Well, we really don't know what she knows. We do know what he doesn't know, which has proven to be quite a lot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: olddude Date: 11 Apr 10 - 09:24 PM Meaning no disrespect to anyone, the biggest problem I have from the republican is as Bob said the "bumper sticker mentality" I want to see an idea, any idea, any suggestion, good or bad ... but all I hear is a non stop criticism of those who are actually trying to do something .. to address the many problems. The NO party really is just that, no ideas, no suggestions, just NO for anyone trying to do anything to fix any issue. Bumper stickers don't get anything done that needs done .. I think anyway |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 11 Apr 10 - 09:33 PM Yeah, oldster... That is about it... That makes me revisit my thinking about timing of the "Epsilon Revolt"... When I hear folks like John "Bonehead" Beahner speak in Congress I'm thinking to myself, "This man is mentally challenged"... Maybe that is whay we aren't getting mush in the way of any new ideas from these people??? Maybe we are asking them to offer soemthing they are not capable of offering??? That is scarey... Yeah, maybe this sisn't about politics, afterall??? Maybe this is about some severly stupid unenlightened people??? Like I said, this is scarey... And here's the kicker... I think they have a clue just how stupid they are so in order to try to hide it that accuse anyone with an IQ over 100 of being elitists??? Beam me up, Scottie... The dumbed down are trying to take over... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Don Firth Date: 11 Apr 10 - 09:37 PM Ake: "Dont suppose Sarah will make Pres tho'....you folks haven't the guts! Just keep on keeping on with the weasels!!" Suh-weet Jesus!!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Apr 10 - 09:51 PM "various levels that Huxley talks about certainly mimic the real world as we know it with the "Alphas" being at the top and given the DNA that allows them to be creative and leaders... Then there are various levels of other people from Betas, to Gammas all the way down the I.Q. chart to the Epsilons..." Ha! The world (especially the USA) IS RUN mostly by no better than Betas (just making money doesn't mean you are an Alpha!)... who through "The Peter Principle" have got themselves up to a level where they can suppress any 'dangers' to themselves - they can easily SPOT those who are even potentially brighter than themselves, and easily eliminate them from 'the system' for their own protection. Mensa - you don't have to be very bright at all to get in - has a wide range of members, many of who are bus drivers and housewives, etc, the percentage that are 'in high positions' is rather low. I'd guess that is also partly because the Epsilons would try to tear them down once it was proved that they were 'elitist' - as that word is used as a derogatory put down regularly in the BS threads... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:17 PM ... Sarah's most famous remarks are completely divorced from reality. Just like our own DougR, Ya mean? She's no more delusional then he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Greg F. Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:18 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Bobert Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:18 PM Yer right again, F-troupe... Thanks for helping me get this entire "Epsilon Revolt" in prpoer perspective... Heck, I just thought of the concept last night and there are alot of levels to what is happening here... Yeah, "Betas" at best... This is perhaps why America is screwed... They demonized the government ot the point wher the really smart people don't want any part of it... Sad thing about this is that the demonizing began with Ronald Reagan and has been purdy much going on ever since??? But let yer Social Security check ba a day late and it's gonna be Hell to pay??? So now the smart people have purdy much given up and so the next level is having to do what the Alphas used to do: govern??? (Geeze, Boberdz... Maybe that's why the last guy thought that he could start two expensive wars at the same time he was passin' out big tax cuts to the wealthiests???) Ya' think, Vern??? Geeze, looks like the meek-minded may not inherit the Earth but they sho nuff want to mess it up... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Apr 10 - 10:46 PM "...3rd behind Romney and Paul for the Republican nomination." Would that it were so. But as I've explained more than once, it's not. She is in fact at this point way ahead. Yet again, primaries and caucuses are about passion--and that means Palin at this point. 1) abortion: the only one to "walk the walk" 2) gun rights: Who's the poster girl of the NRA? In addition to that, her views just about parallel those of the "Tea Party"--which is not in fact a party, but a bunch of hothead malcontents. But if there's one thing Palin has mastered, it's articulating resentment of Washington. And with the "Tea Party" that pays off big. If "Tea Party" people decide to do anything but yell helplessly at both parties, she will benefit. Also, she stands to inherit the votes of a lot of non-liberal women who voted for Hillary in the Democratic primaries-and think it's time for a woman president. And as far as Romney and Paul: Romney: good luck to him in Republican primaries trying to separate "Romney-care" in Massachusetts from the loathed "Obama-care". Paul: considered by lots of Republicans to be a loose cannon---and no Republican. If anybody would care to offer a rebuttal of my thesis, I'd be pleased to entertain it. But let's have some logic and facts--and a minimum of wishful thinking, for a change. So for the general election it will come down to the old question: Are you better off now than 4 years ago? And even if unemployment comes down from the current ghastly 9.7%, many of the jobs now offered are not the good-paying manufacturing jobs, but more poorly paying service jobs. It will come down to whether each voter thinks that his or her own position is better than in 2008. And that will not be answered by statistics quoted at them. At this point however, dear Sarah is in the catbird seat for the Republican nomination. And there are no obvious strong challengers. Jindal or the MN gov (Pawlenty?) are possible--but have their own liabilities. And neither can compete with Sarah in the top two true-believer Republican primary issues. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Apr 10 - 11:28 PM QUOTE (Geeze, Boberdz... Maybe that's why the last guy thought that he could start two expensive wars at the same time he was passin' out big tax cuts to the wealthiests???) UNQUOTE Bloody Hell bobert - don't know enough letters of the Greek Alphabet for him ... wait on "The Alpha and Omega" ha! He was an Omega... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ebbie Date: 12 Apr 10 - 02:52 AM I tend to agree with Bill D and others who say that she will not run for the presidency; she can make bushels more money free lancing. But maybe she plans to be an advisor in the *next* administration? Or perhaps.... brace yourself.... become Secretary of State? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 12 Apr 10 - 03:11 AM I was going to post something that rhymes with "Secretary of War", but fortunately good taste prevailed, and I didn't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: 3refs Date: 12 Apr 10 - 06:38 AM 'I started this thread because I damn well felt like it. Where I come from, we have something called the 1st amendment." While the United States Constitution's First Amendment identifies the rights to assemble and to petition the government, the text of the First Amendment does not make specific mention of a right to association. Nevertheless, the United States Supreme Court held in NAACP v. Alabama that the freedom of association is an essential part of Freedom of Speech because, in many cases, people can engage in effective speech only when they join with others. Which, in my humble opinion, is closely guarded by the 2nd Amendment! "....every time on election day all the little mice used to go to the ballot box and they used to elect a government. A government made up of big, fat, black cats." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST, RBotob Date: 12 Apr 10 - 08:00 AM Mostly white cats I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Apr 10 - 08:58 AM Ebbie-- Why do you think she doesn't have ambition to be the first female president, with the historical importance that would bring? Look at how she reacted to the adulation of the crowds she spoke to as VP candidate. And she no doubt already feels she has been through the grinder as far as her family being dragged into the spotlight-- (which she is of course totally blameless for--just ask her--)-and examined under the harsh scrutiny of the media. So she has nothing to lose there. She's already a multimillionaire, while still quite young, on the strength of her book and speaking tours. And when money is no longer an object people tend to shift to other goals. Look at Romney. This is not a gotcha question. I really would like to hear your thoughts. You're one of the few people who may well have insight into her that nobody else has, since you've had the unmitigated joy of having her as your governor. The rest of us can only listen to her and read about her, and I have seen nothing that indicates she will just be satisfied with money--unfortunately. And rightly or wrongly, President Obama is still perceived by his opposition as vulnerable. In fact I'd say the opposition is right to see him that way--as long as unemployment remains stubbornly high. And as I noted, the jobs coming back into the economy do not always pay as well as the jobs lost. Mudcatters seem to do a lot of whistling in the dark. But what are your views on all this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: GUEST,kendall Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:06 AM Maybe Obama will start another war to save his second term. It worked for Bush. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: 3refs Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:15 AM "You see, my friends, the trouble wasn't with the colour of the cat. The trouble was that they were cats. And because they were cats, they naturally looked after cats instead of mice." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: 3refs Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:29 AM I know that most Canadians have seen, or heard, Tommy Douglas's speech on "Mouseland". I'll suggest that Sarah Palin is a "mouse that roared" and the little people are finding that some of the things she's saying are resonating with them. Much like Jessie Ventura, she speaks a language that can be understood by most(and ridiculed by others). "Presently there came along one little mouse who had an idea. My friends, watch out for the little fellow with an idea. And he said to the other mice, "Look fellows, why do we keep electing a government made up of cats? Why don't we elect a government made up of mice?" "Oh," they said, "he's a Bolshevik(communist). Lock him up! So they put him in jail. But I want to remind you: That you can lock up a mouse or a man but you can't lock up an idea." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:39 AM Anybody who feels Sarah will not run for president in 2012 should also explain phenomena like her support of McCain in his primary. Contrary to Mudcatters' vain hopes, she is not stupid. She knows she can pick speaking engagements off the trees--at $75,000 or $100,000 a pop. And she knows support of McCain does not sit well with her natural base--the "Tea Party" and other malcontents. She could easily just pick speaking gigs before friendly audiences. Thus her support of him looks remarkably like building up debts with rank-and-file Republicans--and office holders--which are then cashed in when the run for President starts. Also, anybody who thinks she does not have charisma should do more reading and monitoring the news. President Obama of course also has charisma. But any sitting president cannot run as the candidate of charisma--he must run as the candidate of competence. Also look what happens when charisma goes up against competence. Not usually a good outcome for the competence candidate. Finally look at the fact that the President does not have unified support from left of center--to say the least. Consider, for instance all the whining we have seen from left of center just on Mudcat. The president will need the votes of the whiners--and if somebody like Nader runs again, he may not get them. And Sarah and her advisors no doubt are noting all of this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Apr 10 - 09:41 AM "he (the President) may not..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin: She's at it again From: Riginslinger Date: 12 Apr 10 - 11:15 AM I suspect Palin would rather support Hayworth, but she owes John McCain for her very political existance. She felt obligated to support McCain. |