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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: GUEST,kendall Date: 21 Apr 10 - 07:12 AM Our dog is a coward. They don't call them Yellow Labs for nothing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Wesley S Date: 21 Apr 10 - 10:53 PM Should any of you dog lovers be interested - PBS has started showing a program called "Through the eyes of a dog". It's about an organization the trains dogs to assist special needs kids and adults. It was shot here in Georgia. One of the trainers featured is my niece's husband Chris. These dogs are trained to do amazing things. And the care they take to match the right dog with the right client is inspirational. It really is a show worth watching. And I'd say that even if it didn't feature a family member. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Lox Date: 22 Apr 10 - 06:34 AM Wesley, A good point well made and a superb perspective setter and mind opener. Thanks for your contribution. And it leads me to ask an important question. Wy don't dogs that have been bred as fighters dogs ever get used to help the blind? Is it because their breeding was succesful? Which brings us nicely back to the matter of some dogs being more dangerous than others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: kendall Date: 22 Apr 10 - 06:47 AM You won't see a Pit Bull assisting a blind person anymore than you will see a Labrador Retriever in the dog fighting ring. Neither qualifies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Richard Bridge Date: 22 Apr 10 - 08:50 AM It seems to me that (apart from some religious nutters) we accept that the behaviour of humans is part nature and part nurture, and that it would be sensible to infer the same about dogs. Consequently, while I still believe (as I said in my post that was deleted for no obvious reason) that the vast majority of dogs are safe with the vast majority of humans the vast majority of the time it seems to me irrational to say that all breeds are equally safe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Sorcha Date: 22 Apr 10 - 10:07 AM If you think 'pit bulls' can't be service dogs, you'd best do some research. To make it easy, start here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Sorcha Date: 22 Apr 10 - 10:11 AM In Denver, the manager of the Denver Animal Control denied to license a disabled Gulf War Veteran's APBT, this dog has served as his service animal in his two previous residences in California and Arizona. He was told to get rid of his dog or move out of Denver Also in Denver another disabled person wanted to visit her sister and attend some UKC events with her APBT, this same Animal Control Person told her that he would not give her the necessary permit for her service dog, so she could not go to visit her sister. In the last case in Aurora, another veteran had his pit bull mix seized by animal control as a banned breed, despite his pleas that it was his service dog. The dog was finally released after he paid fines and sent the dog out of the city of Aurora. Now he has to depend on friends to help him, he goes to visit his dog, but can't afford to move. Both the veterans have written prescriptions for their service dogs from their VA doctors. http://www.examiner.com/x-41147-Bull-Terrier-Examiner~y2010m3d13-Bully-Breed-Service-Dogs-Removed-From-Owners-Suits-Filed |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Maryrrf Date: 22 Apr 10 - 10:20 AM I have a friend who owned two pit bulls. Both were rescued as tiny pups(her daughter is a vet - owners dropped sick puppies off and then never picked them up, so she took them home and raised them.) One was never able to be socialized, either with people or with dogs, and was so volatile he couldn't be trusted with anybody outside the family, nor could he be allowed to be with the other dogs they owned. The other is friendly, well adjusted, loves people and plays well with the other pets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Dave the Gnome Date: 22 Apr 10 - 11:18 AM will the thread bear another 100? Who are the threadbare 100 and why are they so poor? We must do something about it! :D (eG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Sorcha Date: 22 Apr 10 - 01:21 PM And thank you Richard. Just like humans, every case should be judged on it's OWN.....not a blanket statement that ALL _____ (fill in your breed of choice) dogs are just nasty, bad, vicious,evil things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Lox Date: 22 Apr 10 - 04:48 PM Interesting site. It contained no examples of Pit-bull Dog-guides for the blind. So we continue not to hear about them. The dogs featured were good for giving blood and sniffing out drugs, with the exception of one who allegedly turns lights on and off and retrieves things that have been dropped - according to its affectionate and loyal owner. It is also worth noting that the site was not neutral, being all about giving goood press to pit bulls. A more useful site would have been one that provided some kind of research or government statement regarding pitbulls as service dogs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Richard Bridge Date: 22 Apr 10 - 06:11 PM I think you mistake my view Sorcha. I think that the statistically more dangerous breeds should be more controlled and that a case can be made for controlling general public ownership of attack-type dogs. THe UK's Act is not well assembled but that does not (as RomanyMan points out) undermine its objectives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Sorcha Date: 22 Apr 10 - 06:26 PM Well, Lox...the point made was that there are NO 'service dogs' that are 'pit bulls'......said nothing about blind. Sorry Richard. I think we DO agree on that point, the problem is the definition of 'dangerous breeds'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Lox Date: 23 Apr 10 - 12:23 AM "Well, Lox...the point made was that there are NO 'service dogs' that are 'pit bulls'......said nothing about blind." You mean this point? ... "Wy don't dogs that have been bred as fighters dogs ever get used to help the blind?" Or this one ... "You won't see a Pit Bull assisting a blind person anymore than you will see a Labrador Retriever in the dog fighting ring." Hmm ... So who cn it have been that referred to "sevice dogs" ..... ? Ah yes ... it was you: "If you think 'pit bulls' can't be service dogs, you'd best do some research." ... you were saying? ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Lox Date: 31 May 10 - 05:55 AM Oh look - another one. "I don't understand it - fluffy was always so loving and blah blah blah ..." poor iggle fwuffy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: VirginiaTam Date: 31 May 10 - 08:40 AM Yes to animals being treated individually and not based on their breed A friend has adopted her son's American Mastiff / Boxer (they think) mix. Her son got the dog appx 2 years old from an acquaintance who didn't want him any longer. I suspect both young men just wanted a big tough looking dog. But this animal has the sweetest disposition. He is also terrified of other dogs, hides behind his current owner. Though he was very good with my friend's ageing female springer spaniel. The springer was his boss and he was quite upset when she passed away a few months ago. As soon as someone says a sharp word to him, his hind legs start to shake, drops his head and makes the big, "I am so sorry" eyes. He eats things he shouldn't like items of clothing and shoes which gets him into trouble. He loves people and may lick them to death if they show him any kind of positive attention. He loves rough and tumble play, which may be safe enough with a 25 year old man but not with children. We suspect his original owner must have been trying to train his gentle loving personality to be a killer. This may account for the timidity with other dogs and shaky leg thing when he is disciplined. He really is a lovely lovely dog. For all that... he is a big dog and is easily frightened which means he is likely to be unpredictable. So he is watched very carefully around children and strangers and always walked on a lead. An account not long ago locally, of a 7 year old girl kneeling down to pet a Jack Russell being walked on a path. Her parent did not stop her, nor did the owner of the dog which attacked her. The dog owner claims the parent should have controlled the child as the dog was on a lead and under control. The parent claims the child did not behave in a threatening manner to the dog. The thing is, children do need to be instructed how to behave around all dogs, especially strange dogs and they should never be left alone with them. Even a trusted family pet should be monitored for the safety of both child and animal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 May 10 - 06:18 PM Lox, you can find anything when you're looking for it. Whether it adds up in the end, that's another matter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 May 10 - 06:34 PM I'd like to see a dog owning licence, analogous to a driving licence. To get one you'd have to pass a test designed to show whether you were a safe person to allow to have a dog. And if at a later stage it became clear you weren't, you'd lose the licence, and be barred from owning a dog. And a dog licence as well, with similar requirements. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: gnu Date: 31 May 10 - 06:46 PM McGrath... Bang on! Far beyond time to wake the sods up. I have felt this way for years as I have seen FRIENDS that were incapable of judging and training and seen one of their dogs attack an 83 year old woman and cripple her. AFTER the dog attacked their 86 year old aunt and mess her up a bit. To wit... Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: gnu - PM Date: 17 Apr 10 - 05:05 PM Dog license? Surely. Dog owner license... even better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Janie Date: 31 May 10 - 09:02 PM I'm a "dog person." I got nipped by a little terrier mix (10-12 lbs) the other day who was tied up to a news rack immediately beside the entrance to a local coffee shop. I had extended my hand, which was grasping my car keys, to the little dog, and one of the keys slipped and rapped the dog on the head. It startled the dog. Now, I am a dog person, and I usually have the sense to not directly approach a dog unless the owner is present and indicates it is ok to do so, no matter if the dog is wagging and looking quite approachable. I allowed the small size, "cuteness" and wagging rear-end of the dog to rob me of my normal good sense about dogs. Even so, a dog so easily provoked should never have been tied up outside that shop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 May 10 - 11:55 PM My dogs were both in the house visiting this evening, and ended up rolling on the floor in a scratch and tickle episode with my ex. They've convinced him that dogs are great pets (I'd had cats for years, but dogs can be so much more in the here and now with you, if that makes any sense). But I know that these animals, out of the range of my influence, could be entirely different. Years ago I used to walk my dog to the corner store and tie him outside while I went in. I wouldn't do it today, for the reasons Janie gives, plus I'd be afraid of theft. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: LadyJean Date: 01 Jun 10 - 12:13 AM I was working in my garden last week, when I turned around and found myself face to face with a pit bull. I spoke to the dog, something in the line of "Hey pups, what are you doing here?" He wagged his tail and looked friendly. I headed for the front of the house. I don't know where he went. My sister owned an incredibly stupid rottweiller. When the dog bit, he BIT. My sister likes to wrestle with large dogs. She tried that with Mongo, and he left a huge bruise on her leg, that was just playing. Mongo didn't like men. Every now and then he'd take a chunk out of one. My sister would pay their doctor bills, assuring Mongo's continued existance. In the midst of all this my sister's partner's daughter became a mother, giving birth the night she was supposed to graduate from high school. I came out a month later for the combined graduation/new baby party, and somehow found myself doing the 3:00 a.m. diaper change and bladder refill. Each night I was carefully supervised by the rottweiller. He never harmed the baby. He took a chunk out of a lawyer. But he never harmed the baby. Mongo finally died from drinking Chicago river water. No great loss. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: VirginiaTam Date: 01 Jun 10 - 02:06 PM owner of dangerous dog received four month sentence Reportedly dog did not appear to have been used in dog fights... In our local paper there are loads of complaints that that playground swings are damaged by the dogs as owners use them to strengthen the jaws of the dogs. Those swing seats are going to smell of children. If this little boy was asleep when he was attacked as the BBC radio report said, perhaps that dog attacked because he associated smell of child to swings he may have been trained to attack. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: deepdoc1 Date: 01 Jun 10 - 03:16 PM I'm a dog person. I have a 14 yo German Shepherd named Sam. His temperament is similar to Joe's Shite Zoo's (grin) in that he will bark frenziedly at the window at any threat real or imagined, but once in the door he's your good buddy. I remember when he was much younger watching Sam with my granddaughter, bottle in one hand, other arm across Sam's back (her head reached to about his back level), being properly escorted about the 'castle'. And yet, no matter how much I love my dog, he's still a dog. When confronted by a situation which seems to require a response, he will invariably respond as a dog, without reflection or reason, within the general confines of his personality. Sam never leaves the front door without being on a leash due to a penchant for chasing anything that moves, regardless of size difference. He has never bitten anything but his dinner. I never take him for a walk without carrying a stout cane due to the ability of otherwise sane people (I may be too charitable) to rationalize that it's ok to let their dogs off the leash while out on the trail. So far I've been fortunate not to have had to harshly deal with bad-mannered dogs, but have had words with ignorant owners. So anyway, as I wander around to my point eventually, this thread got me wondering what is the actual toll taken by dogs. A casual Google found DogsBite.org Releases 3-Year Fatality Study: U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities January 2006 to December 2008 - 88 deaths in three years from dog attacks. Lest someone fly into a rage that I might think 88 deaths is acceptable, I don't. In a fit of perspective, I discovered that 716 bicyclists died on US roads in 2008 (698 in 2007, 1,003 in 1975) and that even when chained a dog can kill or maim. From Selected Causes of Death, Ages 0-19, per 100,000 Population (2006), dogs didn't make the list. Turns out that cribs kill kids. Pools and spas kill kids. Falls, scissors, outlets, ice, kid's drugs, plastic bags, and way too many other everyday items kill kids. When I see that 20 - 30 kids are killed by dogs in a three year period, I think we dog owners are one of the least threats to the continuation of our species. I refuse to lump myself and the vast majority of responsible, attentive, caring dog owners in with the scurrilous bastards that create situations in which dogs can wreak a terrible havoc. Every case of a dog attack on a child (or anyone else) evokes extreme emotion, but I do not want to give that emotion undue power; I will continue to at least try to evaluate a situation and respond appropriately, and do what needs to be done. If an owner is criminally negligent or abusive, I would absolutely favor jail time, just as I would favor jail for a drunk driver. I believe that most of the dogs involved in attacks could be rescued and rehabilitated by the right people, but the rat bastard owners probably can't. If you own a dog, treat it right, exercise due diligence, and enjoy your good buddy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Jun 10 - 03:26 PM A dog owner's licence would also be a way of protecting dogs against the wrong kind of owners. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Jun 10 - 03:35 PM Gun licences ensure that only the wrong sort have guns. Difference? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: mg Date: 02 Jun 10 - 12:27 PM Some incident in Portland recently where a pit bull attacked two people, one with serious injuries, and went after a police officer, if I read it correctly. Fortunately the dog was shot before doing further damage. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Lox Date: 02 Jun 10 - 04:24 PM Licences as described by McGrath and Gnu among others are the solution. Often the police in the UK will catch crimiinals when their onboard car computer notices an irregularity in a car. It begins with stopping the peson to ensure they have insurance, a licence etc. Most honest law abiding people do. Most crims don't. I suspect the same would be true of people with dogs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: gnu Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:36 PM Richard... ??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: mousethief Date: 02 Jun 10 - 07:33 PM If a pit bull attacks someone, put the owner down. Problem solved. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: ranger1 Date: 02 Jun 10 - 11:24 PM I've restrained myself from posting to this thread up until now. I work as a park ranger in an area where leashes are required, yet somehow people still think it's ok to let their dogs run loose. Of the three occasions where I have been menaced or bitten by unleashed dogs, two have been labradors and the third wasa golden retriever. I've never had a problem with any of the so-called dangerous breeds, it's the "safe" breeds that have been the problems. Any dog can and will bite under certain circumstances and cause major damage while doing it. I trust pitbulls more than I do retrievers at this point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Jun 10 - 02:33 AM When I am out walking my dogs I occasionally meet people who are afraid of pit bulls. Their responses always hurt my dog's feelings. She looks so sad when people aren't as thrilled to see her as she is to see them! (Mine are always on leashes.) SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: catspaw49 Date: 06 Oct 10 - 06:58 PM Went back to this thread as an incident just happened about 30 miles north of Columbus in Delaware, Ohio. Read about it here The owner needs to do some serious time for this one. The Cane Corso Mastiff is a very powerful animal and I can't imagine a pack of 6 of them runnong loose. My only hope would be that they would retreat at the smell of human feces as I am sure I would shit myself if a half dozen of poorly trained and socialized Cane Corso Mastiffs strolled up to me! This can be a wonderful dog but here is a perfect example of what an owner can do by failing to fulfill his responsibility. The Cane Corso is a massively powerful dog. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: katlaughing Date: 06 Oct 10 - 07:36 PM They are beautiful dogs but I don't think most people have a clue as to how strong they are, esp. in a pack. That man is lucky to have survived. I hope he recovers fully and I hope the dogs are found good homes with strict training. The owner does not deserve to have them and, yes, he should do some serious time/restitution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: GUEST,mg Date: 06 Oct 10 - 08:00 PM No amnesty for a dog that has injured someone on public property. I say put them down. A young man on the bus this morning informed us all that he had MRSA from an infected dog bite and the dog had essentially attacked him. I walk at night and am afraid more of the dogs let loose by crazy owners than I am of the bears walking the streets. I have no sympathy, no compassion at all. One infringement and they should be put to sleep. No second chances. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: olddude Date: 06 Oct 10 - 08:06 PM I am with you Spaw, I could handle multiple assailants of the human kind pretty well but ... dogs of that size ... ahhh NO ... I would be a milk bone for sure ... the guy needs jail time ... period. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 06 Oct 10 - 08:14 PM Dangerous owners should be jailed. No excuse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Slag Date: 06 Oct 10 - 08:38 PM Ok, if Silas looks in on this thread he'll probably call me a liar BUT wehn I was 3 we went to some kind of gathering at a home in the country and the owner "Pop" Jeffries had several large dogs, large to me. I was scared and said so and my Dad told me not to be afraid, they were friendly dogs. Well I was standing right by dad's leg and that friendly dog bit me. I sure let out a cry and my father hadn't even seen the attack! Just that quick. Any dog can be dangerous. They are animals. Now on the other side of the coin I had a little pound dog, Sarsaparilla, and she was a lover. When my daughter was born I wasn't sure of how accepting she'd be. I didn't let them meet until my daughter was crawling and then I didn't let them near right away but made the intro slowly. "Sass" loved my daughter. She's let her pull her hair and get away with any kind of mistreatment a baby can dish out. I NEVER left them alone. Sass was an "outside doggie" and that was all to that. She was little, smart and loving and I made sure there would never be any other way I would remember her. This kinda reminds me of that other thread about being responsible with children and, are certain risks worth it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:45 AM There was a program on my local NPR station recently, and they were talking about "dangerous" dogs. They interviewed the author of the book about the pit bulls rescued from Michael Vick's compound. He said that dogs that are dangerous telegraph long before they attack, but most owners don't realize or apparently care. People need to pay attention when dogs aren't socialized correctly. If the dog charges the gate or fence, snarling, snapping, that dog is dangerous. When I switched companies last year, my new insurance company sent an inspector to check out the house, but their main reason to come out is because I have a pit bull. If these dogs see someone in the yard or a neighbor's yard who doesn't belong there, they have a special bark that transmits to any listener the "what are you doing over there?" bark. If someone they don't know comes up to the gate, they stay a few feet back and bark, to alert me to the presence. They don't charge the gate and snarl. The difference is a dog who announces the problem and a dog that takes it really personally and is ready to attack if only they can get out. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: GUEST,Patsy Date: 07 Oct 10 - 09:17 AM It is a shame that because of some irresponsible owners all of these dogs get such a bad press. For every 'bad' one that gets into the paper resulting in a ferocious attack on a child or passer by there is a lovely one with a great nature but unfortunately people tend to be on their guard slightly such as in circumstances for example when an owner with pit-bull or a similar kind of dog boards a bus full of people. But then I am sure an owner would know his or her dog well enough to know that he can do that with no worries and I have not yet seen a situation like that arise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Greg F. Date: 07 Oct 10 - 09:33 AM Save your sympathy for the human victims. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Oct 10 - 10:52 AM Save your ire for something you understand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: olddude Date: 07 Oct 10 - 11:41 AM for me there are no bad dogs, none .. only bad humans who don't know responsibility. My 4 dogs are treated like kids ... spoiled rotten. I grew up with dogs ... yes you can have a dog that is disturbed, usually from in breeding ... and sadly the only thing one can do is put the animal down ... I would not and will not own a dog that was dangerous ... it just isn't safe and things like this occur. It is very sad for the person who gets his or her life destroyed ... and unfair also to the animals that deserve a better owner who knows how to train and can recognize a problem before it gets to this stage. Everyone loses especially the one being mauled. my opinion for what it is worth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Wesley S Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:27 PM One of the countrys near Atlanta just had a vote this week about wheather they would limit the number of pit bulls in the county. In other words - no NEW pit bulls would be allowed. All of the current ones would stay. It was voted down. The very next day day a young girl ran into the street to escape a pit bull that was charging her. She was hit by a car and killed. It must have been the car that killed her..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: GUEST,mg Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:46 PM ANd exactly what would a pit bull be doing on a bus? Oh, yes..a companion dog. Well, said dog should have a special I.D. collar, should be muzzeled and of course on a leash. I do not believe for a minute that all owners are in total control of their dogs. For one thing, many are mentally ill. Poeple where I live can claim that companion animal thing and not have to show papers or anything..tend to be a lot of college scraggly looking students that bring their animals on public buses. LAny animal on public transportation, other than seeing eye dogs, should be muzzled and owner should have to present papers and of course it should be on a leash..but what about the many people with allergies and phobias? A pit bull or other breeds considered dangerous should never ever be licensed as a companion dog to be taken out in public. There are other breeds that can do the job. I have nothing against pit bulls and I know they can be very sweet and well trained and it i9s the owner etc...too many nutty owners then is the problem and too many babies with their faces ripped off. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Oct 10 - 01:50 PM My first dog was a pit bull, from a kennel at Ft. Riley, KS where my father was posted. I was about 4, this was 1927. A great dog in every way. In a small nearby town, where my daughter lived, an older lady comes to an outdoor snack and icecream place. She orders two cones, for her and her pit bull. The dog sits quietly and licks the cone held for it. I reiterate, there are only dangerous owners. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: GUEST,mg Date: 07 Oct 10 - 01:59 PM There are..but there are also dogs that can do more damage than others if they have the opportunity and lack of good ownership. lmg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Lox Date: 07 Oct 10 - 04:42 PM . "I reiterate, there are only dangerous owners." Yeah - except when "nice" dogs in "nice" families suddenly go berserk for no apparent reason and tear childrens heads off. Then there are dangerous dogs. Funny how exceptions never disprove the rule though eh ... . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: Slag Date: 07 Oct 10 - 05:54 PM There is a segment, a large segment of the population that has the attitude that they are somehow "special". The rules that apply to other people don't apply to them. Their kids are special too. They would NEVER do THAT! No, not their little dears. And their dogs? No, that must be your other neighbor's dog that continuously barks when they are gone, It's the other neighbors' dogs that crap all over your lawn and dig up your flowers. After all, my dog would never do that. And bite? My dog would NEVER bite. He's a good dog. That's why there are so many dog bite stories. Anybody you know? I'm a dog lover. They are wonderful pets and a help to mankind. I don't know how far along the path to civilization we would be without them. The do have their own society and their own rules and when it comes down to survival they obey that fundamental law, not me! I'll go down fighting. If you are in their society, the pack, you are OK. If you are alpha you're the boss but you aren't totally expemt if you push too far. You can make a dog mean and enhance what ever tendencies it may bring to the situation or you can treat it fairly and lovingly but you must be consistent in all things in the doggie's world. If you are not and you display weakness it will fill the niche with it's power. You HAVE to be a responsible dog owner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ... From: GUEST,mg Date: 07 Oct 10 - 06:25 PM You have to know that a dog is a dog and not a human, not a baby, not a lchild, not a friend. It is a dog, wonderful in its own right, but people are going off the deep end sometimes. mg |
