New Gospel Song Research

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 04:08 AM

Perhaps of interest:

B-side of civil rights movement reaches new audience

By Katti Gray
8:09 AM on 02/28/2011

... Baylor University 2-year-old Gospel Music Restoration Project, which recently has been unearthing what its chief archivist says are lesser known "B-side" recordings of civil rights protests by famous and obscure gospel artists alike. "No Segregation in Heaven," "The Alabama Bus," and "Assassination" are a sample of the 78s, 45s, LPs and tapes in assorted formats, dating back to 1919, that are among the roughly 1,600 songs cataloged thus far.

"That they were on the B-side suggest a couple of things: Few radio stations, which mainly were white-owned, were doing playing gospel music at all, so they were not widely circulated. And what was on the B-side mostly was being listened to in the black community," said Robert Darden, 57, a Baylor journalism professor who founded the archives. "It was a kind of private message."

Private, perhaps, but only to a point. In the 1920s and '30s, Birmingham's arm of the white-dominated AFL-CIO actually hired the local CIO Singers, a gospel quarter, to open its union rallies with a combination of straight-out, heaven-bound gospel but also protesting gospel songs. "Every community -- places where there was no other entertainment--had one of these quartets. The unions used them to promote their cause, but, more centrally, they had a lot to do with battling Jim Crow," said the Rev. George Stewart, 57, a former radio broadcaster and record company executive who founded the American Gospel Quartet Convention.

Along with lay singers, gospel artists were among those who opened for civil rights pioneers such as Martin Luther King Jr. "They we would preach and we would sing. It would be a whole concert sometimes. That's how we played a part in the movement," said Roscoe Robinson, 82, of Birmingham, Ala. He sang with, among others, the prominent Blind Boys of Alabama and Blind Boys of Mississippi, Sam Cooke and the Soul-Stirrers and Highway QCs.

Baylor's restoration aims to identify, legally acquire and preserve that music, made by legends such as the Blind Boys, Hummingbirds and Della Reese, artists with regional followings and those suspected of working under an assumed name, fearing what they might suffer if their true identities got out …

Right now, 30-second clips of the songs can be accessed on their website. Available on iTunes are 15 songs that the archive's lawyers have concluded are so-called orphans, with no authors, copyright owners or artists' heirs who are still alive. (In Black History Month 2010 and 2011, iTunes promoted the 15 on the Web site's front page.) Lawyers are still trying to determine the manner and extent to which the broader catalogue might eventually be made available to the public.

To hear the recordings in their entirety, "right now, you have to come to Waco," Darden said.

Once the legalities are settled, Darden hopes that universities whose musicologists have expressed interests in the archives might make them accessible through listening stations.

Meanwhile, in addition to the music, the project also aims to collect press packets, photos, packets, taped interviews, tour books, souvenir journals, news clippings, sheet music and such that scholars can review.

Baylor University Black Gospel Restoration

John

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 07:13 PM

Hi,

Here's a video of my arrangement of "Come Over Here":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwQtV1PTsQ

This part of my video series teaching people how to play some of these early spirituals and songs. I usually play five or six songs one after the other and don't practice them much but you can learn the song even if it's rough. Here are the lyrics and chords:

COME OVER HERE- Elder Richard Bryant (arranged Matteson)

Come over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Come over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [C]on.

Preacher over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Peacher over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [C]on.

There's joy over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Joy over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [C]on.

Shoutin' over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Shout over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [C]on.

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 12:57 AM

Hi,

I just put my last C title song lyrics in "Cool Down Yonder", so I'm through with my C gospel songs- for now.

http://bluegrassmessengers.com/cool-down-yonder--marion-williams.aspx

Marion Williams spirituals is simply awesome. You can watch it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn4Ap3vIc6s

Here's my transcription- also on my site:

COOL DOWN YONDER- Marion Williams

Cool down here along the banks, banks of Jordan
It's cool down here along the banks of Jordan
Cool down here along the banks, banks of Jordan
Jesus gonna meet me there-
He's gonna meet me there.

It's so cool down there- the chilly Jordan
Cool down there- the chilly Jordan.
It's cool down there- chilly Jordan
But Jesus gonna meet me there-
He's gonna meet me there.

Well I stepped in water up to my knees
I cried, "Lord have mercy, if you please,"
Stepped in water 'round my head,
Spirit make it but my, child is dead

And it's cool-----,
Yeah it's cool down there- the chilly Jordan
Chile it's cool down here- chilly Jordan.
Jesus gonna meet me there-
He's gonna meet me there.

I said,"Meet me, my Lord meet me,
Meet me in the middle of the air.
If these wings should fail me,
I'm gonna try me another pair.

Cause it's cool-----, the banks of Jordan
Cool down there the banks, banks of Jordan
Chile it's cool down there- the banks Jordan
Jesus gonna meet me there-
He's gonna meet me there.

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 08:14 PM

Hi, the last chord should be a C chord sorry- here it's fixed:

COME OVER HERE- Elder Richard Bryant (arranged Matteson)

Come over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Come over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [C]on.

Preacher over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Peacher over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [C]on.

There's joy over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Joy over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [C]on.

Shoutin' over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Shout over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [C]on.

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 04:35 PM

BTW, this is how I play the song. Listen to the song by using the link in my last post which goes to Juneberry's. The Am is not actually there I added it for interest. To play with the recording Capo 1:

COME OVER HERE- Elder Richard Bryant (arranged Matteson)

Come over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Come over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [G]on.

Preacher over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Peacher over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [G]on.

There's joy over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Joy over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [G]on.

Shoutin' over [C]here
The table is ready
And the [F]feast of the Lord is going [C]on.
Shout over [C]here
The table is [Am]ready
And the [C]feast of the [G]Lord is going [G]on.

I'll probably to a youtube vid of it to show people how to play it. Even tho it's easy, many people on youtube don't know the song.

Rcihie

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 04:11 PM

BTW Susan, I just added "Come Over Here" which is one of the few gospel songs by a jug band circa 1926:

http://bluegrassmessengers.com/come-over-here--from-memphis-jug-bands-1926.aspx

I'm about through with my C songs having added 5 more.

Richie

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:21 PM

I've done most of my "Traditional and Public Domain Gospel -C" songs now. below is a list. If I've missed anything or there are suggestions , let me know. Anyone is welcome to use these lyrics, many of them are not on the internet. There's probably 100 African-Aemrican spirituals in the C songs.

http://bluegrassmessengers.com.temp.realssl.com/traditional-and-public-domain-gospel--c.aspx


Traditional and Public Domain Gospel -C

Cain and Abel- Spiritual (Different Versions)
Call Him by His Name- Spiritual- Lucille Barbee
Call on Me- Gospel song- Pilgrim Travelers 1949
Called to Foreign Fields- Sarah Gunning 1974
Calling Jesus- Christ Memorial Singers 1963
Calling The Prodigal- Charles Gabriel 1889
Calling Thee- Mr. and Mrs. Floyd Lacy 1925
Calvary- Dock Boggs 1968 Calvary- Sacred Harp (Two Versions)
Calvary- Spiritual- John Work; Modern versions
Camp A Little While in the Wilderness- Cas Wallin
Camp Meeting Jubilee- Little Wonder Records 1916
Can I Count On You?- Spiritual 1957
Can The Circle Be Unbroken? Carter Family
Can The World See Jesus in You? Leila Morris 1917
Can You Tell- Starlight Spiritual Singers 1951
Canaan- Hymn "Bound For the Land of Canaan"
Canaan Land- Spiritual- Gospel Songbirds
Canaan's Happy Shore- Revival Hymn 1860
Canaan's Land- Golden "Where The Soul Never Dies"
Canaan's Land- Shaped note "Oh for a Breeze"
Can't Cross Jordan- Brown Collection 1922
Can't Do Without the Lord- Spiritual
Can't Do Wrong and Get By- Jackson Gospel Singers
Can't Feel At Home- Carter Family 1931
Can't Feel at Home- Marie Knight 1956
Can't Hear Nobody Pray- W.P. Detherow 1952
Can't Hide Sinner- Spiritualaires of Columbia, S.C
Can't Nobody Do Me Like Jesus- Spiritual
Can't You Live Humble?- Spiritual- Work 1907
Careless Soul- James H. Stan­ley 1909
Carry Me- Spiritual- Ensley Jubilee Singers
Carry Me Down To The Burying Ground- 1952
Carry Me, Good Lord- Spiritual- Lomax
Carry Me Home- Shape Note- Jackson "Penick"
Carry Me Safely Home- Spiritual- Tartt Collection
Carry Me To The Burying Ground- Spiritual 1859
Carry Your Cross With A Smile- Ogdon 1916
Cast Thy Bread upon the Water- Red Sovine 1978
Certainly Lord- Spiritual
Changed Mah Name- Spiritual- Jennifer Bynum
Charge To Keep I Have- W.P. Detherow 1952
Chased Old Satan Through The Door
Chatter With the Angels- Spiritual- John Work
Cheer the Weary Traveler- Heavenly Gospel Singers
Cheer the Weary Traveler- Spiritual- Bryant
Cherokee Hymn- Brown Collection
Cherry Tree Carol- Traditional Folk Ballad
Child of the King- Buell & Sumner 1877
Children, Did You Hear When Jesus Rose?
Children Do Linger- Spiritual 1867
Children Go Where I Send Thee- Spiritual
Children of the Heavenly King- Wisdom Sisters 1926
Children of the Lord- Traditional Praise Song
Children Wade in the Water- Blue Jay Singers 1932
Children, We All Shall Be Free- Jubilee Singers
Children, You'll Be Called On- Jubilee Singers
Child's Desire- Bela Lam and his Singers 1927
Chillun Ob Duh Wilduhness Moan Fuh Bread
Chilly Water- Spiritual- Jubilee Singers 1883
Choose You A Seat 'N' Set Down- Spiritual
Christ Arose- Robert Lowry 1874
Christ Child's Lullaby- Ranald Rankin 1855
Christ Is Coming On The Cloud- Spiritual- Lomax
Christ Returneth- Turner 1878
Christ Was A Wayworn Traveler- Sarah Ogan Gunning
Christ Was a Weary Traveler- Brown Collection
Christ was Born in Bethlehem- Folk Hymn
Christ Was Born on Christmas Morn- Spiritual
Christian Home In Glory- W.P. Detherow 1959
Christian Band- Millennial Harp 1843
Christian Hold Out Your Light- Max Hunter Coll.
Christian Race- Revival hymn- C. G. Wells 1870
Christian Soldier- Sacred Harp
Christians Hold Out Your Light- R. E. Winsett
Christians, Hold Up your Heads- John Work 1907
Christian's Hope- Folk Hymn- William Walker
Christmas Anthem- James Denson, 1844
Christmas Holiday- Pug Allen
Christmas Is Coming- Traditional- Kingston Trio
Christmas Time Is Near- Stanley Brothers
Christmas Time Will Soon Be Over- Carson
Church Across the Way- W. B. Gray- 1894
Church At The Foot Of The Hill- Dixon Brothers
Church Bells- Spiritual- Kid Prince Moore
Church, I'm Fully Saved Today- Willie Johnson
Church in the Wildwood- Carter Family 1932
Church of God- Spiritual- Fenner 1874
Church of God is Right- Otis and Tom Mote
Circle Be Unbroken- Bluegrass Messengers -Matteson
City Called Heaven- Marian Anderson
City Called Heaven- Jessye Norman
City Four Square- Horton Barker
City of Refuge- Spiritual- Brown Collection
City of Refuge- Spiritual- Nick Cave
City of Refuge- Spiritual- Willie Johnson 1928
City of Refuge- Spiritual- Rev. C.J. Johnson
City On the Hill- Wade Mainer
Clear The Line Before You Call- Spiritual- Tartt
Clear Title to a Mansion- Mainer's Mountaineers
Climbing High Mountains- Spiritual
Climbing Jacob's Ladder- Vocal-Aires of Birmingham
Climbing Up All Day- Capitol City Four
Climbing Up the Hill O' Mt. Zion- Spiritual- Lomax
Climbing Up The Golden Stairs- Versions- 1800s
Climbing Up The Golden Stairs- Happy Four
Climbing Up The Golden Stairs- Hawker
Climbing Up The Mountain
Climbing Up To Glory- Putnam & Sawyer 1883
Climbing Up Zion's Hill- Wellborn Waters
Climbing Up Zion's Hill- Carter Family 1952
Clim'in' Up De Hills- Spiritual- Tartt Collection
Cloud and Fire- Ernest Phipps 1928
Clouds Gwine Roll Away- Jubilee Song
Coffin To Bind Me Down- Spiritual 1899
Cold Icy Hand- Spiritual- 1898
Come- Mrs. James Gibson Johnson
Come All Dear Brethren- Sacred Harp 1928
Come, All of God's Children- Jubilee Singers 1874
Come All You Friends and Neighbors- Brown
Come Along- Spiritual- Barton 1898
Come Along and Shout Along- Jackson 1933
Come Along Moses- Spiritual 1867
Come Along Sinners- M.H. Rosenfeld 1881
Come Along You Prayin' Father- Max Hunter
Come And Dine- Grandpa Jones 1975
Come and Go with Me to My Father's House
Come and Go with Me to That Land- Spiritual
Come and Jine- Also "Come and Join"
Come, Angel Band- W.P. Detherow 1952
Come By Here- Spiritual 1931 "Come By Yuh"
Come By Here- Spiritual- Blind Wonders 1953
Come, Come Ye Saints- William Clayton
Come Down- Spiritual- John Work 1907
Come Down, Angel, And Trouble The Water- Perkins
Come Down, Angels- Jubilee Singers 1874
Come Down, Sinners- Spiritual- Southern Workman
Come En Go Wid Me- Gullah Spiritual
Come Friends Go with Me- Shape Note Folk Hymn
Come Go With Me- Spiritual 1867
Come Here Jesus If You Please- Work 1940
Come Here, Lord!- Spiritual- Work- 1907
Come Home- Spiritual- John Lomax 1911
Come, Humble Sinners Come In The Room- Hightower and Massey 1967
Come, Let Us All Go Down- Jubilee Singers 1874
Come Let Us Sing- Folk Hymn "Twelve Apostles"
Come, My Heart- Primitive Baptist hymn
Come Now My Dear Brethren I Bid You Farewell
Come On And Bow Down- James "Iron Head" Baker
Come on Board The Ship Of Glory- Clyde Maness
Come On Children, Let's Sing- Jackson 1960
Come On, Come On- Straight Street Holiness Group
Come On in This House- Spiritual- Fairfield Four
Come Out of the Wilderness- The Cathedral Quartet
Come On See About Me- Swanee Quintet
Come Over Here- Spiritual Singers for Christ 1951
Come Over Here- Mello-aires of Rochester, NY
Come Over Here- Starlight Gospel Singers 1954
Come Sinner, Come- Spiritual- Odum
Come, Sinner, Come- Witter and Palmer 1887
Come Tell Me Of Your Ship- Shape Note- Davis
Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing
Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing- Brown 1924
Come to Jesus Just Now Come Trembleing Down- Krehbiel 1914
Come Ye Sinners Poor and Needy
Come Ye That Fear the Lord- James Montgomery
Come, Ye that Love the Lord- Watts & Lowry
Come, Ye that Love the Lord- Starlight Singers
Comfort In Heaven- Spiritual- Barton 1898
Comforter Has Come- Bottome & Kirkpatrick 1890
Coming Day, The- Spiritual 1867 Higginson
Companions Draw Nigh- W.P. Detherow 1952
Companions Draw Nigh- Randolph 1921
Condescension- Southern Harmony
Constantly Abiding- Anne S. Murphy 1908
Conversation with Death- "Oh Death"
Couldn't Hear Nobody Pray- Spiritual
Count Your Blessings- Oatmna and Excell 1897
Coventry Carol- Traditional Folk Carol
Cross Me Over- Odum & Johnson 1925
Crossed Old Jordan's Stream- Bird's KCC
Cry from the Cross- Stanley Brothers
Cry Holy- Spiritual- Higginson 1867
Cryin' Holy Unto My Lord- Bill Monroe 1940

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 05:43 PM

Beeliner-
Gospel music,

At least as I define it really started around 1921 with Gospel Pearls, maybe the first gospel songbook. The old African-American spirituals are in my opinion gospel and have been redone by different groups.

Southern gospel is alligned with the Vaughans and fits a similar time frame. The Vaughan southern gospel record label started around 1922.

The music is older and traded among white a black groups to some extent. The Carter Family and Bill Monore borrowed from the African-American tradition

Haruo-

America, should be included and I've thought about it and think it fits also.

Mainly I'm going for religious songs that are folk in nature. There were probably 100,000 hymns written from 1860 until 1923, some of them should be included if they were recorded by southern/gospel groups.

I'm sticking somewhat with Meade/Tony Russell's list of recorded songs.

TY

Richie

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: beeliner
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 03:59 PM

Also also, there are a lot of 'spirituals' which cannot be considered 'gospel' songs since their references are specifically to the Old Testament.

"Ezekiel Saw the Wheel", "Dry Bones", and "Little Moses" are the first three that come to mind, but there are many others, and you have already listed some, the Adam and Eve songs and the Jonah for example.

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Haruo
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 02:05 PM

Richie, what sort of line are you drawing between "Gospel Song" and anything else? I certainly think of "A Charge to Keep I Have" as a straight hymn, especially sung to BOYLSTON, which I assume is the Mason tune you're thinking of. Your last comment suggests that anything that's been done by bluegrass and country and African-American singers might qualify in your book. Is your "Amsterdam" the hymn tune, or the song that goes "Amster, Amster, dam/dam/dam" or something else? You don't have "America the Beautiful" (or maybe we have to wait till you get to "O"?), though it's certainly been done by the three "kinds" of singers you referred to.

Haruo

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 01:45 PM

Hi,

TY

I considered it, and didn't think it should be included. Now think it should qualify since it has been done by bluegrass and country and African-American singers. I like the song and used to play it.

I've found several more, which I'll add later.

Richie

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: beeliner
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 05:28 AM

"All Through the Night" would seem an obvious omission, or doesn't it qualify as a 'gospel' song? And if not, what are the qualification?

Must there be an actaul reference, direct or indirect, to Jesus or to a gospel verse?

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 12:43 AM

This is what I'm doing, "A Beautiful Life" is listed in the A section but aslo as "Beautiful Life, A" in B section.

Sometimes the A makes the title easier to understand. In general it's not necessary. "The" also is a word that most of teh time should be removed from the title. However a title like "The End" wouldn't make much sense as "End, The."

BTW I've put all the songs from my database in the AB section now:

http://bluegrassmessengers.com/traditional-and-public-domain-gospel-a-b.aspx

I can't find the lyrics to the following AB songs:

A Littel Talk with Jesus- Rev. Gay Davis
After A While- Monroe Brothers
All My Friends (to tune John henry) Wade Mariner
All I Have Belongs To God- The Consolers
Angels Backing Me- The Singing Crusaders
Arm of God- Brown's Ferry Four
Be A Man- Godfrey 1910
Be Mindful of Your Sacrament- Rev Gary Davis
Believe in Jesus- Norfolk jubilee"
Bells of Love- Middle Georgia Singing Convention No. 1.
Beyond the River- (Recorded for victor) vaughan 1907
Bloom Brightly Sweet Roses- Fowler 1894
Book Of The Seven Seas- The Dixie Hummingbirds
Born to Serve the Lord- E. C. Ball

It's a good start, for now.

Richie

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: beeliner
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 09:21 PM

I guess it would be up to the preference of the one making the list (unless constrained by a publisher's guidelines).

Agreed, and by the way, referring to your earlier post, the Winsett song is usually identified as "Tramp on the Street", without the article at all.

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 08:25 PM

Beeliner- That has become common practice, but many of the 19th C. indexes start with the A; e. g., song index in The Story of the Jubilee Singers and their Songs begins with "A Great Camp-meeting in the Promised Land."
A. E. Brumley, in a gospel book I have, starts his index with 'A'.

I guess it would be up to the preference of the one making the list (unless constrained by a publisher's guidelines).

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: beeliner
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 07:49 PM

Richie, I hesitate to bring this up, because it's not the law or anything, but titles beginning with an article are usually alphabetized by the word following the article, e.g. "A Beautiful LIfe" would normally be listed as 'Beautiful Life, A'

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 01:02 AM

Thanks for the comments and the link Susan,

I've put about 50 more songs on since my last post and might be able to get most of the B songs on that I have up tonight.

http://bluegrassmessengers.com.temp.realssl.com/traditional-and-public-domain-gospel-a-b.aspx

You can see the ones I've added at the end. Thanks for your suggestions Q,

Richie

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 07:51 PM

I noticed that you had Johnny Cash listed as an artist of one of your
songs listed. Johnny Cash and the Carters recorded a lot of Gospel
songs. "I Was There When It Happened", by Johnny and "Far Side Banks Of Jordan" by the Carter Sisters are some of my favorites. Johnny had an
album called "My Mother's Hymn Book". (One of his final recordings).

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 06:48 PM

Add:
A Tramp on the Street. R. E. Winsett, 1950, Sung by The Southern Gospel Singers, with Arlen and Jackie Vaden. About Lazarus.

Beautiful Isle (of Somewhere). Add to info- Music by J. S. Fearis.

Bringing in the Sheaves. Knowles Shaw 1874, music G. A. Minor 1880.

Blessed Assurance. F. J. Crosby, music J. F. Knapp. Southern Gospel Singers.

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 01:17 PM

In a comment on the song "A home in Heaven," the Williams said it was their version of an old gospel hymn. No further information, so don't know exactly what they meant.

Overwhelming is right! Like the Traditional Ballad Index, a page could be written about each entry.

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 01:09 PM

There is a piece on titling issues in the Spirituals permathread.

Of course it was written with the spirituals in mind particularly, Richie, but you might finds it helpful in thinking about cross-referencing your index. And yes, it IS overwhelming.... so good luck, my friend! :~)

~Susan

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 11:18 PM

Q,

I'm not sure of an earlier source of Hank Williams song. Is there a similar version that he used for his spiritual? If not- it's copyrighted and, in general, can't be included. What I want to do is give people songs that they can freely use.

The same title may be used for 5 different songs and in many cases it is. So titles are problematic.

Thanks for your help and imput,

Richie

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 11:13 PM

Hi,

I'm still working on the B list. I'm not planning on adding anything but you or anyone can add or use what I have. I'm just making it available.

There are probably 130 African-American Spirituals in what I've done so far (plus in many entries there are multiple versions).

There are proably 50 songs not available on the internet- at least in an easily accessible form.

I'm actually a bit overwhelmed by the amount of material- and realizing how much more there is. It's already taken me three weeks in my spare time and I haven't even done A-B...

Richie

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 10:27 PM

Richie, for some of the songs, title alone is insufficient for identification. "Home in Heaven" is an example. I have listed a few, but that line-stanza appears in several gospel-hymn-spiritual songs.

"Ain't that Good News" as "Ain't Dat Good News " in McIlhenny "Befo' de War Spirituals."
----------------
"Home in Heaven"
Several of them.
Hank Williams version is the most sung of these songs.

"A Home in Heaven," James Montgomery (1771-18??), in L. C. Stedman, 1895, "A Victorian Anthology."
First two lines-
Forever with the Lord
Amen, so let it be.

"A Home in Heaven"
Version by Hank and Audrey Williams of old gospel song.
1
Round me many are building
Homes of beauty and wealth
But what of a home in Heaven
Where will you live after death.

"I am safely home in Heaven"

"There's a Home Up in Heaven," Clarence W. Duffer.

"Home in Heaven," Annie Rebekah Smith, 1855. "Home Here and Home in Heaven," Advent Review Office.

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: wysiwyg
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 08:35 PM

I just would hope that commentary and corrections on songs already posted would go in the threads where they are already posted, where feasible. (That would certainly be a help in not creating more threads to incorporate in the Spirituals index.)

~S~

Subject: RE: New Gospel Song Research
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 04:36 PM

An intereting list. Adding a few remarks to each title would fill out the listing (and add a few volumes to the research).

"A Little More Oil ..." is credited to Patrick Reid and also to Desmond Dekker of Jamaica, but probably earlier. The chorus is often used with other songs:
A little more oil in my lamp keeps it burning
A little more oil in my lamp I pray
A little more oil in my lamop keeps it burning
Keeps it burning to the break of day.

Give Me Oil in (for) My Lamp" could be the antecedent.

Subject: New Gospel Song Research
From: Richie
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 11:10 AM

Hi,

I've started my gospel song research and I'm on A-B song. These are mostly pre- 1923 or are traditional.

http://bluegrassmessengers.com/traditional-and-public-domain-gospel-a-b.aspx

If anyone has corrections or suggestions for songs that should be added in the A-B section let me know.

Here the list:
A Beautiful Life- William Golden
A Charge To Keep I Have- Wesley & Mason
A Cross For Me- Sacred Harp
A Few More Beatings Of The Wind and Rain
A Great Campmeetin'- Hampton Collection
A Home in Heaven- Primitive Baptist Hymn
A Little More Faith In Jesus- Fisk Jubilee Singers
A Little More Oil In My Lamp
A Little Talk With Jesus- Doane 1875
A Little Talk With Jesus- Spiritual
A Picture From Life's Other Side- Charles Baer
A Poor Sinner- Brown Collection
A Sad Parting- Brown Collection
A Shelter in the Time of Storm- Sankey
A Sinner Made Whole- Charles Gabriel 1907
Abbeville- Sacred Harp "Come, Holy Spirit, Come"
Abide With Me- Lyte & Monk
Abounding Sin & Abounding Grace
Adam and Eve- Brown Collection
Adam in the Garden Pinning Leaves
After A While- Rev. JM Gates
After The Sunrise- Chuck Wagon Gang
Ain't Goin' Down To The Well No More- Leadbelly
Ain't Going To Tarry Here- Spiritual
Ain't Gonna Grieve The Lord No More- Smith
Ain't Gonna Grieve The Lord No More- Diton
Ain't Gonna Grieve The Lord No More- Mack & Mike
Ain't Gonna Grieve The Lord No More- Odum 1913
Ain't Gonna Grieve The Lord No More- White 1919
Ain't Gonna Grieve The Lord No More- Mudcat
Ain't Gonna Grieve The Lord No More- Randolph
Ain't Gonna Grieve My Lord No More- Max Hunter
Ain't Gonna Worry The Lord No More- Brown 1922
Ain't Gonna Lay My Armor Down- McVay 1929
Ain't Gonna Lay My Religion Down- Lunsford 1925
Ain't Gonna Lay My Religion Down- Alabama 1888
Ain't Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me Round- White 1927
Ain't Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me Round- Sing Out
Ain't Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me Roun- Johnson 1930
Ain't Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me Round- Work 1940
Ain't Gonna Study War No More- Standard Lyrics
Ain't Gonna Study War No More- Sandburg 1927
Ain't Gonna Study War No More- Diton 1916
Ain't Gonna Study War No More- Fisher 1926
Ain't Gonna Study War No More- Brown Collection
Ain't Gonna Study War No More- Texas 1966
Ain't Got Time To Die- Kuumba Chorus
Ain't I Glad to Get Out Of The Wilderness
Ain't It A Shame- Four Harmony Kings 1922
Ain't It A Shame- Fiddlin' John Carson 1927
Ain't It A Shame To Go Fishing on Sun.- Leadbelly
Ain't It A Shame To Work on Sunday
Ain't It Grand To Live A Christian
Ain't No Grave- Sturdivant 1942
Ain't No Grave- Claude Ely 1953
Ain't No Grave- Crooked Still
Ain't No Grave- Johnny Cash
Ain't No Grave- Delmhorst
Ain't No Grave- Paschal
Ain't No Stranger Here- Soloman
Ain't That A Witness- Odum 1909
Ain't That A Witness- Fisk Jubilee Singers
Ain't That A Witness- Wolf Folklore Collection
Ain't That A Witness- Pete Seeger
Ain't That A Witness- Arizona Dranes 1926
Ain't That Good News- John Work 1940
Ain't That Good News- Standard Versions
Ain't You Glad- Sonny Terry "Blood Done Signed"
Ain't You Glad- Leadbelly "Blood Done Signed"
Ain't You Glad You Got Good Religion- Work 1940
Ain't You Got A Right to the Tree of Life- Version
Alabama- William Walker 1835
Alas And Did My Savior Bleed- Watts & Hudson
Albion- Shape note "We're Marching To Zion"
All God's Children Got Rhythm- 1937
All God's Chillun Got Shoes- White 1925
All God's Chillun Got Shoes- Alison Krauss
All God's Chillun Got Shoes- Dett 1927
All God's Chillun Got Shoes- Johnny Cash 1992
All God's Children Got to Humble Down- Gordon
All Hail the Power of Jesus' Name- Perronet 1779
All I Do, The Church Keep A-Grumblin'
All I Want Is A Little More Faith In Jesus- JOAFL
All I Want Is That Pure Religion- Jefferson
All is Well- W. Clayton "Come, Come, Ye Saints"
All My Sins Been Taken Away (Mary Wore) Lomax
All My Sins Been Taken Away (Mary Wore) White
All My Sins Been Taken Away (Mary Wore) Sandburg
All My Sins Been Taken Away (Mary Wore) Brown
All My Sins Been Taken Away (Mary Wore) Henry
All My Trials
All Night, All Day- Rev. Clay Evans
All Night Long
All Ober Dis Yer World- JOAFL 1896
All Over This World- John Work 1940
All the Friends I Had Dead and Gone
All the Way 'Long- James McGranahan 1878
All The Way My Savior Leads Me- Crosby & Lowry
All Time Trouble In My Heart- Tartt Collection
Almost Done Traveling- Jackson "Rocky Road"
Almost Over- Ware 1867 Almost Persuaded- Bliss 1871
Am I A Soldier Of The Cross- Watts
Am I A Soldier Of The Cross- Spiritual 1899
Am I Born To Die- Shape Note "Idumea"
Amazing Grace- John Newton
Amazing Love- Sacred Harp
Amen- Spiritual
Amsterdam- Rev. Robert Seagrave
An' Am I Born To Die- Spiritual
An' He Never Said a Mumblin' Word
An' I Cry- Eva Jessye 1927
Ananias- Brown Collection (Two Versions)
Ananias, Ananias- Tartt Collection
Anchor in the Lord- Fisk Jubilee Singers
Anchored in Love- Carter Family 1928
And I Couldn't Hear Nobody Pray- Johnson 1925
And Don't Stay- Spiritual JOAFL 1914
And It's Christ's Love- Living Waters Church Choir
And Let This Feeble Body Fail- Southern Harmony
And Must I Be To Judgement Brought- Brown
Angel Band- Hascall & Bradbury 1862
Angel Band- Spiritual collected Odum 1925
Angel Gabriel- Norman Blake
Angel Hold De Way- In Old Alabama 1888
Angel of Death- Stanley Brothers 1959
Angel Roll De Stone Away- Johnson 1925
Angel, Sound That Trump- Spiritual
Angels Changed My Name- Fisk Jubilee Singers
Angels Done Bowed Down- John Work 1940
Angels Hovering Round- Bliss 1874
Angels In Heaven Done Signed My Name
Angels Laid Him Away- Mississippi John Hurt
Angel's Message to Me- Rev. Gary Davis
Angels Roll Dem Stones Away- Brown
Angels Standin' In De Water- Lomax 1939
Angels Waiting At The Door- Spiritual- Jubilee
Angels Watching Over Me
Ankle in Jesus- Tartt Collection
Another Day's Journey- Spiritual
Antioch- "Shout, Shout We're Gaining Ground"
Anybody Here- 1899 version "Is There Anybody Here"
Anyhow- Spiritual
Anywhere, Anytime- Tartt Collection
Arbacoochee- Sacred Harp "Behold The Love"
Archangel Open the Door- 1867 version
Are You Ready- Spiritual
Are You Washed in the Blood- Elisha A. Hoffmann
Army of the Lord- Jackson 1934
As I Went Down in the Valley to Pray- Brown
Ask the Watchman How Long- Spiritual
Asleep In Jesus- Sacred Harp
At Rest- Sacred Harp
At The Battle's Front- Welling and McGhee 1928
At The Bar Of God- John Work
At The Cross- Watts & Hudson 1885
At The Cross There's Room- Robert Lowery
Awful, Awful, Awful- Randolph 1929
Awful Majesty- Watts & Davisson
Aye Lord, Time Is Drawin' Nigh- Spiritual
Babe of Bethlehem- William Walker
Babel's Streams- William Walker 1835
Babylon Is Fallen- Shape Note W. E. Chute, 1878
Babylon's Falling- Spiritual Version 1 Fenner 1874
Babylon's Falling- Spiritual Version 2 Stickles
Balm In Gilead- 1854 version "A Sinner's Cure"
Balm In Gilead- Spiritual 1907
Band Of Gideon- Fisk Jubilee Singers 1872
Baptismal Anthem- B. F. White 1844
Baptist, Baptist is My Name- Brown 1922
Baptizing Hymn- Spiritual "Freely Go"
Bar of Judgement- spiritual- Tartt Collection
Bathe In That Beautiful Pool- Dock Walsh
Battle Ax- Spiritual Collected by Lomax 1939
Battle Hymn of the Republic
Be A Daniel- Deal Family 1927; Bliss 1873
Be Ready When He Comes- Daniel Teasley 1896
Be Ready When He Comes- Spiritual 1929
Be Ready When He Comes- Skip James 1931
Be Ready When He Comes- Louisiana Spiritual
Be Ready When He Comes- Spiritual Williams 1995
Be Ready When He Comes- Tartt Collection Spiritual
Be Ready When the Train Comes In- Spiritual 1925
Be With Me- Spiritual; John Work 1940
Be With Me Jesus- Spiritual; Angola Quartet
Beams Of Heaven (Some Day)- Charles Tindley
Bear Yo' Burden- Spiritual Odum 1925
Beautiful- Blue Sky Boys; B.E. Warren 1897
Beautiful City Called Heaven- Virginia Dandies 1931
Beautiful City of God- McKee & Geibel- 1901
Beautiful Garden of Prayer- Jenkins Family 1926
Beautiful Home- Sacred Harp- Culbreth 1902
Beautiful Isle of Somewhere- Jessie Pounds 1897
Beautiful Life- William Golden
Beautiful Morning- Jackson 1934
Beautiful River- Robert Lowry- 1864
Been A Listening- Spiritual, Fisk Jubilee Singers
Been Down into the Sea- Barton 1898
Been in the Storm So Long- Spiritual
Been In De War Too Long- Tartt Collection
Before I'd Be A Slave- Spiritual- Barton 1899
Before I'd Be A Slave- Spiritual- Backus 1884
Before I'd Be A Slave- Spiritual- Baez- Oh Freedom
Before This Time Another Year- Lomax 1934
Before This Time Another Year- Georgia Sea Islands
Before This Time Another Year- Louise Miller Cohen
Before This Time Another Year- John Work
Before This Time Another Year- Talisman
Begone! Unbelief, My Savior Is Near- Newton 1779
Behold The Love- Sacred Harp
Believer I Know- Spiritual from Georgia Sea Island
Bell Da Ring- Spiritual 1867
Bell Done Ring- Spiritual from Georgia Sea Islands
Beside The Gospel Pool- Newton- Sacred Harp
Bethel- William Cowper "O For A Closer Walk"
Better Live Humble- Spiritual JOAFL 1921
Better Land, The- Sacred Harp- O.A. Parris 1935
Beulah Land- Spiritual- Georgia Sea Island Singers
Beulah Land- Edgar Stites 1875
Beulah Land- Mississippi John Hurt
Bible's Right- Spiritual- Sister Ola Mae Terrell
Big Camp Meeting- Spiritual; Barton 1899
Big Fish Swallowed Jonah- Spiritual; Odum
Blessed Are The Poor In Spirit- Luther Magby
Blessed Be The Name- Spiritual- JOAFL 1914
Blessed Be The Name- Hudson and Wesley 1888
Blessed Be The Name- Hudson and Clark 1891
Blessed Be The Name- Spiritual- John Hurt 1928
Blessed Be The Name- Spiritual- Odum 1909
Blessed Hope- Rev. W. E. Bailey 1909
Blind Man- Spiritual- JOAFL 1914
Blind Man- Spiritual- Howard Odum 1909
Blind Man- Spiritual- Contemporary Christian
Blind Man- Spiritual- Clarence White 1927
Blind Man- Spiritual- Sandburg 1927
Blind Man- Spiritual- Lomax 1934
Blind Man- Spiritual- Park New Choir
Brethren, We Have Met To Worship- Atkins 1819
Brother Jonah- Spiritual from Gordon Collection