BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?

Subject: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: DougR
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:02 PM

One would think the Chicago Mafia (Obama administration) would have learned from the experience of the former governor of Illinois that trying to influence an election is not a good idea. But then the recent experience of former President Clinton offering Rep. Joe Sestak a position on an advisory board to the President in exchange for his dropping out of the Pennsylvinia Democratic primary to assure a win for Sen. Specter argues otherwise. It appears the Administration may be in violation of Section 600 of the federal criminal code, which makes it illegal to promise anyone an appointment in exchange for political activity or in exchange for supporting or opposing a candidate.

According to an article in today's issue of the Wall Street Journal, another "possible legal avenue for a probe could be to look into whether Rahm Emanuel's actions (sending his former boss to sound out the possibility with Rep. Sestak)might be in violation of the Hatch Act.

I guess time will tell, right?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: michaelr
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:11 PM

Hey Doug, if your darling Dubya could get away with the crimes we all know he and his administration committed, it's clear that no offense is impeachable anymore. So just forget about it, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:18 PM

Doug boy, perhaps you would like to explain how Obama is responsible for the actions and promises of a discredited ex President, who has no place in what you call the "Administration", and no authority to promise anything on its behalf.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:20 PM

And of course that is assuming that Sestak is telling the truth, and I kinda think that's one helluva big assumption.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:24 PM

I bet there hasn't been a single USA administration in the last hundred years that hasn't committed a number of impeachable offenses. ;-) The chance, however, of such events ever leading TO a successful impeachment appears to be virtually nil, if I can go by past examples.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:31 PM

Yeah, okay, Obama probably did ask Clinton to talk with Sestak... Okay, maybe it was Rahm Emanual but...

... after Bush taking the US into an illegal war and killing upwards of a million people, hey...

... this is small potatoes... No, make that microscopic potatoes...

Get real, Dougie...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:38 PM

You know, it's amusing (and sad) watching the partisan divide nattering away at each other in the USA. I don't think any other nation presently has such a bitterly divided public as Americans do, and the hostile reactions of one side to what the other side is doing in Washington are as predictable as the reactions of the average watchdog. They start barking furiously and leaping around on the end of their chain yelling things like "Unconstitutionality!" and "Impeachment".

They vow terrible a vengeance at the polls when the half-term elections come. They accuse the president (if he's not on their own partisan side) of every horrible vice and character fault imaginable. They watch like hawks for his popularity to slide in the polls...as it inevitably will not too long after he's been elected....and then go "Na-na-na-na-na-NAH!" when it does.

Anyone watching from the outside can only shake his head, because there appears to be no cure for your chronic national divide...short of a Pearl-Harbour style attack on the USA by some foolish nation...and there's no one out there dumb enough or suicidal enough to do that, in my opinion. So if you need one, you're going to have to have some of your Black Ops people do it themselves, and then blame it on Iran (naturally).

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: pdq
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:43 PM

A presidential press release stated that the offer did not violate ethics laws because the job offered was a non-paid position.

That statement was an admission that the offer was, in fact, made.

Lawyers who have read the law point out that the salary (or lack thereof) is not even mentioned.

It's the offer that is a crime, even if made through a third party (here, Clinton).

Obama is (most likely) in no trouble because he is an expert at making the decisions and then putting distance between himself and the consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:44 PM

I'd have to say, LH, that the UK situation is rapidly catching up to the US of A in the political hatred department.

Since our election, it is impossible for anybody who voted Tory to have a civil conversation with the other side who are all frothing at the mouth because their side lost.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: olddude
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:46 PM

compromise is the way to solve conflict, so I will say this. I will support an impeachment proceeding against Obama as soon as the entire Bush Administration is brought up on charges of war crimes including torture. If that happens then I say go ahead ...

how is that deal ...

some folks have far too much time on their hands I think

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 May 10 - 07:50 PM

""Obama is (most likely) in no trouble because he is an expert at making the decisions and then putting distance between himself and the consequences.""

And you can produce examples (not from Faux News) of occasions when Obama can be shown to have done this pdq?

No, of course you can't. You've already said how good he is at doing this, so presumably you don't even know whether he has, let alone when.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 May 10 - 08:00 PM

Is that right, Don? Hmmm. Well, it's unfortunate. The partisan system is a very destructive one, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: kendall
Date: 29 May 10 - 08:04 PM

Old Dude, I am with you on this.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 May 10 - 08:39 PM

I can think of several times in the past when like offers have been made by both Democrats AND Republicans. Go look them up; I'm retired as a librarian.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 May 10 - 08:40 PM

"the partisan system is a very destructive one"

... and when there can 'officially' be only two parts, either destruction or paralysis will eventually result.

Which is why the Aussie compulsory proportional system is better - even Britain is thinking about it now.... it takes away the static power of the bigots who will always vote, and ONLY for their own side, and makes the pollies try to woo the more open minded 'centrists', who are not bigots.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 May 10 - 08:43 PM

Yeah, let's swap a few prisoners in the middle of the bridge... Maybe Cheney/Rice/Wolfy/Pearle/Bush fir Obama/Emanual/Clinton... Of course, seein' as the Cheney group's behavior resulted in people, actaully being killed that their offenses will be considered capital offenses and seein' as the Obama team didn't kill anyone we'll be lookin' as some community service and maybe a couple days in jail...

yeah, I like the deal...

b~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 May 10 - 08:46 PM

Pretty late with that analysis, Doug... It was already examined, explained, and 6-7 prior examples noted, with clear explanations of why there was nothing illegal about it.
You just need to watch the right news programs, instead of 'that one' that tries to find impeachable offenses under every Democratic rock.

Trying to find 'better' positions for certain people goes back to Andrew Jackson, and includes BOTH parties. Sestak was offered no bribes. Even Republicans are agreeing on that....(besides, THEY might need the option one of these times)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 May 10 - 09:14 PM

This appears to be the company that DougR keeps (And not a one would be able to tell you coherently what terrible things Obama has done):

* Are you serious! How convenient it is to have such a smooth talking scapegoat! What a joke...this is nothing but a democratic strategy to get out of this pickle!
*    Stir up vats of kool aid for the left. Even the moderate left will need hugh gulps to buy Obama's fairy tale staring a brave Admiral with a glass of kool aid in hand going down with his ship, USS LIES.

* I do believe Clinton was voted out a long time ago.We don't want him involved in the middle of government business or politics.
Liberals have no level too low for them to slither under. I hope people are getting their eyes opened to the reality of what Obama has done to the White House in a record length of time. He's corrupt, cowardly, and incompetent...most of knew he was from the very beginning.

* What a stupid pile of liberal feces you are. Whether they used Clinton as an intermediary or not, the offer is illegal. And Clinton doesn't drive us conservatives crazy. He was a perjuring pile of horses--t and got caught with his unit in the mouth of a fat intern. It just pisses you lib dung off that you guys have a serious problem putting a President in power who isn't the most ethically challenged pile of rat droppings that ever existed.

* I think you misunderstood, I am on your side. I think Clinton is a piece of excrement. He is an embarrasment! Obama has alredy been crowned "Worst POTUS in History!

 * I bet Fox 'News' leaves this as front page news long after most Americans realize this is a non story. There's a chance they may be able to hurt President Obama so they will continue to run with it. They have probably already spent more air time on this than they did on the firing of US Attorney's that carl rove talked george bush into
 
* More of the same with this administration.....Why does anyone act surprised.....you got what you voted for.... 

* IMPEACH THIS ADMINISTRATION NOW!!! This is not how politics should be run they should be run on who wins...wins and not who's best for the Administration! I still don't understand why we still have Bill Clinton making headlines he was IMPEACHED he should be looked down upon greatly not envied and loved! SICK!!! Republicans will show them how it's done come November!

* sorry i think you are trying to rewrite history those numbers came from senate records they even tell who voted to raise the debt in the bush years every rep. senator voted to raise the debt even dick army the tea party guy voted yes please look pass both sides and to get your info from places other than fox msnbc and try even factcheck.org or any government site

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/29/clintons-role-sestak-controversy-stirs-questions-white-house-motives/#content

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 May 10 - 09:51 PM

One look at this thread and I could tell who started. Never mind the facts, just a chance to slam the party.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: LadyJean
Date: 29 May 10 - 10:50 PM

ANY DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT WHO GETS HIMSELF ELECTED IS FLIRTING WITH IMPEACHMENT.
Because the Republicans will dig and dig and dig until they can find some dirt on him, and if they can't find any they'll make some up.

The Republican Party had become the Party of Nixon. It revolts me. My parents were Republicans. My Mom was green before it was called green. She was pro choice. She was pro gay rights.

Dad was my first history teacher. One of my lessons was on the Scopes Trial. The heroes of that story, as Dad told it, were Scopes and Darrow. (In part because Clarence Darrow was a good lawyer.)

The Republican Party isn't theirs anymore. It isn't a party of decent people, who believe in fiscal responsiblity. It's a party of dirt diggers, scandal mongers and rat f*ckers.

In the end it will hurt them. People will get tired of their lies and dirty tricks. But until that time we're in for some very ugly politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: MarkS
Date: 29 May 10 - 10:58 PM

Nah
Just does not seem to be any stomach for a bill of particulars in the House and a Senate trial
Impeachment?
Never happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: mousethief
Date: 29 May 10 - 11:17 PM

If the Republicans can impeach a president for a blowjob, they'll impeach a president for anything. Anything to get themselves back in power because they have no idea how to be a loyal opposition, or to support a president not of their own party. They could learn a thing or two from the Dems' tenure under the last 3 Republicans. Did the Dems throw their toys out of the pram when Bush was elected? Did they filibuster every Senate vote? There's one obstructionist party in this country and it's the GOP.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: DougR
Date: 30 May 10 - 01:31 AM

Bill D: Oh, right, The White House Counsel announced they did nothing wrong. So that's it?

Would that be the case were it was the Bush Administration we were discussing rather than the Obama administration?

Suppose the White House Counsel, under Bush, had issued a statement that all of the terrible things you folks think the Bush administration did was simply not true? Would accept that as the final "end of the story"?

If they did nothing wrong, they shouldn't fear having a special counsel look into it.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 10 - 01:34 AM

If they did nothing wrong, they shouldn't fear having a special counsel look into it.

That would be true if special counsels were reliable and objective. As it is, it's a lot like "if you don't do anything illegal why should it bother you to have your phone tapped."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Arkie
Date: 30 May 10 - 02:44 AM

I need to understand something here. Exploiting a terrorist attack as an excuse to invade Iraq on trumped up charges, hiring Cheney's company for government work without bids or oversight, putting an FBI agent at risk as revenge against her husband, endangering the country by running up a deficit higher than any two or three previous administration, putting the country in debt to China, endangering the value of the dollar and leading the country into massive financial turmoil does not warrant impeachment. But trying to persuade a member of one's political party not to run against another member of the same party is an impeachable offense. I am really confused.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 10 - 03:16 AM

Here, drink this tea.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 10 - 08:36 AM

What Arkie said...

But beyond that, me is a little worried about Dougie... I mean, in the past he has represented the moderate/conservative views of the Republican Party and not the loonie ones... Seems he has crossed over to the loonie side and that does not bode well for him in terms of being a "respected" Republican...

Come on back, Dougie... You don't ***have*** to drink the Limbaugh/Beck coolaid... You ***do*** have a choice... Come on, Dougie, just step back from the ledge and let's atlk about this...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 May 10 - 08:57 AM

LH, don't confuse statements made by various toothpaste and bra sales outlets (aka "the media") - or those of Mudcatters - for the opinions of the US population on the whole. We generally remain firmly in the middle.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 30 May 10 - 09:35 AM

From DougR:

"If they did nothing wrong, they shouldn't fear having a special counsel look into it."

That is Dougie quoting the East German Stasi motto again. I remember him spouting that one on another thread a few years back.

No time time nor inclination to find it though...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: DougR
Date: 30 May 10 - 11:11 AM

Arkie: If the Bush Administration committed the horrendous crimes you site, why doesn't the Obama Administration appoint a special prosecutor to investigate it? They are in the majority in both houses, and own the White House so the Republicans couldn't stop them.

Conversely, when the Republicans regain control in November (of both houses at least)they, too, can appoint a Special Prosecutor to look into the charges being made into the Sestak affair. So, if the Democrats don't clean up the mess they made, the Republicans can do it later.

None of you have pointed out why you believe the Administration did not possibly break the law that is on the books against tampering with elections.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bill D
Date: 30 May 10 - 11:52 AM

"Suppose the White House Counsel, under Bush, had issued a statement that all of the terrible things you folks think the Bush administration did was simply not true?"

It wasn't just the White House Counsel I was referring to...it was several analysts and respected legal scholars also.

And what IS it with you and beardedbruce wanting to make irrelevant "double standard" comparisons to every issue? What Bush & company did - not what we "think" they did....what they were proven to have done...was not even in the same category as this little non-item. It is simply not comparable. As a matter of fact, the Bush administration DID do similar things, and the Democrats merely shrugged at most of them, except the ones that clearly were instances of 'revolving door' appointments for lobbyists...etc.

(Oh...and your icon, Reagan, did similar things, but he was 'teflon coated' and just grinned in his engaging manner whenever anyone tried to get answers.)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:21 PM

Arkie: If the Bush Administration committed the horrendous crimes you site, why doesn't the Obama Administration appoint a special prosecutor to investigate it? They are in the majority in both houses, and own the White House so the Republicans couldn't stop them.

You'd like that, wouldn't you, DougR? Because then the current administration wouldn't make any forward progress, they'd be busy dredging up the sewers of the Bush II legacy. I'd like to see some of them take a fall for their acts, but I'd REALLY like to see health care reform go into effect, the banks screech to a halt in their reckless ways, those wars of Bush's end, and clean up this oil mess (probably set in place by Bush's folks with haphazard permits and certainly mitigated by Cheney's Halliburton sloppy cement work).

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:22 PM

"Joe Sestak claims the White House offered him a job if he declined to run against Arlen Specter. The White House denies it. Darrell Issa, the ranking Republican on the House Oversight Committee, has declared this a bribe and is demanding investigations. Yesterday, he even used the "I"-word.

"Leaving aside the fact that the White House denies this ever happened, there's no way on Earth a vague "job offer" in exchange for leaving a Senate race constitutes a "bribe," let alone a violation of the law. If that's the case, we should probably appoint a special prosecutor to investigate whether Sen. Judd Gregg committed extortion when he demanded that the White House force a Democratic governor to appoint a Republican to his seat if they wanted him to be their commerce secretary.

"The White House gave in to his outrageous demands. And then Gregg backed out of the job after accepting it! Perhaps he should also be investigated for "breach of oral contract" or something, as long as we're in a special prosecutor-appointing mood."

More at Salon.com


More at San Francisco Chronicle

"Sestak said that he did not think it was a crime for Clinton to call him up on behalf of Emanuel to suggest an unpaid position on a presidential advisory board. "If I ever thought anything had been wrong about this, I would have reported it," he said. "I understand Washington, D.C., is often about political deals."

"Political deals offered in a particularly raw way have gotten officeholders in trouble before:

"In 2004, the House ethics committee admonished Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, then the Republican House majority leader, for offering to support the congressional campaign of a fellow lawmaker's son in exchange for a critical vote on a Medicare bill.

"In 2008, the authorities arrested former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, accusing the Democrat of trying to sell the appointment to fill the vacated Senate seat of President Obama.

"So what about this case?

"Federal law makes it a crime for anyone "who directly or indirectly promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or any other benefit" to someone else "as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office."

"The legal question comes down to the White House's intent and Sestak's understanding of what the White House wanted from him in return," said William Burck, a white-collar defense attorney at Weil, Gotschal & Manges and the former deputy White House counsel under Bush.

"If the position was offered as a quid pro quo to induce Sestak not to run in the Democratic primary, then it could be viewed essentially as a bribe," he said. "If the job was offered to him without conditions, then it would be harder to prove any law was violated."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:36 PM

Well, Dougie... As SRS said in so many words... Obama and the dems can try to clean up Bush's messes or they can investigate Repubs but...

...they can't do both...

Of course I would expect a Republican controled Congress to rtreat into an investigate mode... They do that well... Can't govern fir shit but sho nuff can waste taxpayers money with bogus and endless investigations...

$40M for Ken Starr and look what it got US??? Nuthin' at all except $40M more tacked onto the National debt... $40M might not mean much to you, Dougie, but it means alot to me...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: DougR
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:46 PM

Well gee whiz, Bobert, that's a lot of money to me too! Half my monthly income!

It will be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:57 PM

The funny thing, Dougie, is that other than about the 20% of the population who listens to Limbaugh and Beck no one else really cares about this non-issue... I mean, as far as I can see it's the loonies trying to make chicken salad outta chicken poop...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 10 - 03:20 PM

It occurs to me that being elected president, if you're a Democrat, is flirting with impeachment. The Republicans can't stand to be out of the WH and will stop at nothing to get back in, being willing to stoop so low as to impeach a sitting president for getting a blowjob. Being black doesn't help Obama either, given the Republicans' relationship with the non-ivory contingent. No, Obama doesn't need to actually DO anything to flirt with impeachment. That just helps the process along.

Gee why mightn't Obama want a special Starr-chamber, I mean special investigator, appointed? They'll eventually get one anyway and hound him for 8 years (well, 7), until they find something, anything, they can pin on him. That's the history, deny it if you have the balls to lie through your teeth. Oh wait, it doesn't take balls to do that, just membership in the GOP.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: DougR
Date: 30 May 10 - 03:52 PM

That's funny Mousethief. You write as though the Democrats never insisted on Special Prosecutors. Does the name Valeri Plame strike a chord with you?

Answere this, please, and this is not just directed to Mousethief, if the laws stipulating penalties to those who tamper with elections are not going to be enforced, why not repeal them?

As to the former president's participation, I would imagine he was a willing accomplice. After all, he's a big boy and nobody could make him get involved.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 May 10 - 03:57 PM

"Since our election, it is impossible for anybody who voted Tory to have a civil conversation with the other side who are all frothing at the mouth because their side lost."

Rubbish. Any conversation about politics is almost certain to end up with agreement that they're all a bunch of incompetents, whether in government or opposition.

And "the other side" in the election included the Lib Dems, who appear to be having some very "civil conversations" with their erstwhile enemies. Perhaps the expression "civil conversation" will start ton have a similar significance to that old favourite of Private Eye, "Ugandan discussions"...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 10 - 04:33 PM

You write as though the Democrats never insisted on Special Prosecutors.

You read wrong. I write as though Democrats never pursued a president for years trying to find something, ANYTHING, to pin on him. Because they haven't. The Starr chamber proceedings were shameful and the fact that they haven't been renounced by the Republicans is to their eternal shame. Once Starr happened, "special prosecutor" doesn't mean quite the same thing, at least when the Repugs are calling for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: DougR
Date: 30 May 10 - 07:14 PM

Valerie Plame, mousethief?

You sound kind of hung up on the Clinton years. At least I assume that's what you are refering to. Ole Bill got his comeuppance, though, didn't he?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 10 - 07:46 PM

Well, yes. But being impeached didn't remove Clinton from office. Basically, it amounted to little more than a few people going, "Tsk tsk tsk."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 10 - 08:03 PM

Getting a blowjob is hardly high crimes and treason.

I'm not hung up on anything. I was answering the question why Obama might not want a special prosecutor appointed. In order to see what happens when the Republicans drive a special prosecutor at a Democratic president, I had to go back to Clinton, because he was -- you guessed it! -- the last Democratic president. If you don't feel qualified to debate about this I can always leave you to your delusions.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 10 - 09:06 PM

What is missing here, Dougie, is the time line... Starr was hired well before anything was out there to suspect... Yeah, there were Repub rumblings about some land deals that the Clintons lost money on but nuthin' that would warrent a "special prosecuter"... But the Repubs pushed for one anyway and so we had a 6 or 7 year fishing expedition by Starr...

Valerie Plame was an entirely different situation... Her outing was all over the media long before the dems pushed for a "special prosecuter"... Long before...

Point is, the Repubs are willing to spend gobs of tax payers money on anything in the world (without restraint) and the dems have purdy much taken an opposite track in only going after folks after the media has blown the story up...

I mean, let's get real here, Doug... If the dems wanted to play those silly Repub games they could have the entire "C Street House" investigated and prolly get a good number of Repubs in an extreme defensive posture... Oh, sure, there were a couple dems in the "C Street" deal but this was mostly Repubs...

Ya' see, Doug... That's one major diff between the parties... The Dems try to fix stuff and govern and the Repubs just want to play Dick Tracy... What does the country need more of???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Amos
Date: 30 May 10 - 09:16 PM

Actually, he did not "get his comeuppance", Doug. He got hit with a shitstorm of rabid exaggeration and sheer enmity by those who wanted to be in power and were not. HIf the attacks had no been so vehement, hostile, and desperate to find anything they could, his little blowjob would have blown over (so to speak) with the likes of Kennedy's and other canoodlers who were in the White House.

Morality is not one of government's "weapons", but the Repubs keep trying to make it one--especially morality of the most unnatural and arbitrary kinds. It really has no business in government.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 May 10 - 09:41 PM

Remind me...how long before the end of his term was Clinton removed from office? Or was he he one who resigned in disgrace? Oh, you say - charged (aka impeached) but not convicted? Sounds a lot like innocent until proven guilty to me. Some comeuppance.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 10 - 10:16 PM

BTW, Dougie... Google up "C Street House" and you'll have some idea of just how many of yer fellow Repubs would get an ass whuppin' if ther Dems pushed fir a "special prosecuter"...

Ya'll oughtta lie low 'cause there's a major shitstorm headin' yer way if ya'll want to play these stupid games... Yeah, Google up "C Street House" for a sneak preview...

b~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 May 10 - 11:38 PM

This thread really needs badly to be satirized. I think I'll start a thread about Chongo flirting with insensibility. Or hatcheck girls. Something along that line. ;-) It would serve at least as much useful purpose as this one does and be a lot more fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 30 May 10 - 11:53 PM

Doug, Valerie Plame was a CIA covert officer "outed" by Cheney's crew for political purposes (essentially, her husband issued a report on one of the specious claims in the run-up to the Iraq war, and the Rethuglicans tried to make it sound like his trip (to Niger) was a luxury cruise arranged by his wife (a trip to Niger? Were they serious?). Pure unadulterated BS, but to make it stick, they released the classified information that his wire worked for the CIA. Since she was covert, it constituted a crime. Scooter Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice in the case, but his sentence was vacated by President Bush. No one else was convicted (that's what "obstruction of justice" can do for you), but that is why "Valerie Plame" is a sore point for Democrats.

So, your ignorance is once again made extremely evident. Till you can exhibit even a modicum of it, I, for one, will ignore you. Or, should it amuse me, mock you.

You ARE the weakest link. Good-bye.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: DougR
Date: 31 May 10 - 01:44 AM

Gee, Bob, you trying to hurt my feelings? Aw shucks.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 31 May 10 - 08:38 AM

Doug- You are parroting the Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity crap with no understanding whatsoever.
Here's a test- what election tampering law did the Sestak thing break?
Well?
Which one?
Didn't think you could answer that....

Nice try.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bobert
Date: 31 May 10 - 09:06 AM

Getting people to run (or not) for public office is as part of the American political sytem as in the Constitution itself... I mean, let's get real here... Happens all the time at every level of government...

As for Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity??? There are not news reporters... They are entertainers.. Nuthin' more, nuthin' less... Believing their crasp to be true is like going to see the movie "Alien" and beleiving that it's real???

Me thinks that this thread could easily be entered as "Exhibit A" in proving just how dumbed down many of our fellow citizens, who BTW vote, have become...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 May 10 - 10:38 AM

There are not news reporters... They are entertainers...

No, Bobert- they're mindless, ignorant, hate-mongering gobshites! and not in the least bit entertaining, even if Douggie-boy may find them so- which speaks to HIS level of intelligence.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Bobert
Date: 31 May 10 - 10:51 AM

Okay...

Let me rephrase that... They are entertainers for Redneck Nation... Kinda like Larry the Cable Guy... That better???

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 May 10 - 11:07 AM

You betcha! NOW yer talkin'!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 May 10 - 11:12 AM

It also occurs to me that Redneck Nation has a history of finding lynchings a real crowd-pleaser type of entertainment.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama flirts with impeachment?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 May 10 - 11:13 AM

""And "the other side" in the election included the Lib Dems, who appear to be having some very "civil conversations" with their erstwhile enemies.""

Disingenuous McG. You know damn well I'm talking about voters, not politicians.

Read some of the personal comments I've had from the rabid fanatics on your side of the fence, then look for any equivalent personal vilification from me.

Then come back and tell me that I get the respect for my views which they demand from me , and I'll spit in your eye and call you a bloody liar.

Don T.