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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 12 Jun 13 - 03:15 PM I was reminded of the old quote about the pen and the sword by a good friend today and I replied... Gonna need a LOTTA ink! This pic was taken several days ago about 30km from me. http://www.flickr.com/photos/15565423@N05/9025962117/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Donuel Date: 27 Mar 13 - 11:15 PM The complete list of chemicals that the Southern TIER New York fracking company uses are available for view. Yes the ground water is harmed. Yes the produced water is reintroduced at the surface to seep down even after evaporation. But the silent damage of the huge plumes of methane that is released from 10 thousand fracking wells will help speed up all all anticipated global warming estimates by double digit factors. Methane is over 10 times more powerful a green house gas than CO2. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 27 Mar 13 - 10:00 PM Wyoming requires analysis, but I don't know how good the statute is. Different companies use their own formulas, which they maintain are proprietary. The mixtures contain several compounds, which could mean that the reaction products could be worse than single chemicals, and are often difficult to analyse for. in any case, when the oil mixture is removed, it is doubtful that the pressure can be equalized even if substitute mixtures are inserted to restore the balance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 13 - 08:14 PM Yeah, Lizzie... The Gas & Oil people won't even disclose what chemicals they are pumping into the ground... They say its none of our business... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 27 Mar 13 - 08:01 PM gnu, Youtube knows who you are, where you're from, and what interests you've looked up on Youtube in the past. That's why they now put one or two videos they think you'll be interested in, to the side of the one you're actually viewing... It kinda freaks me out to be honest..Big Brother is everywhere..Youtube's now part of Google, so they'll also track you from there.... Halliburton are now claiming to have developed non-toxic fracking fluid... Yeah, right... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 27 Mar 13 - 12:47 PM Now if Western Canada could just get rid of those damn easterners..... (Sorry, gnu, I couldn't help it) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 26 Mar 13 - 08:01 PM Q... sorry, bud. I know you said it was bad shit. My "dig" at you was about Your Lord and Saviour letting PQ separate... with all that water to feed that BIG water project in The States. Anyone who can help La Belle separate will be OODLES RICH! Tarsands pale! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Bobert Date: 26 Mar 13 - 07:58 PM Me thinks that some where down the road we are going to have a major "Opps" moment... Too bad that we just allow BIG OIL & GAS to run the show... This is suicide wrapped up in fancy wrapping paper with a big bow... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 26 Mar 13 - 07:52 PM In another thread, fracking has been approved for Great Britain. Dangerous, as I noted early in this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Bobert Date: 26 Mar 13 - 07:28 PM The back up plan is to take big ships up to the polar ice caps and bust up big chunks of it, tow it to where it can be converted back to water and use it as the new water source??? Hey, wait... The polar ice caps are already melting and receding at an alarming pace??? Back to square #1... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 26 Mar 13 - 07:23 PM Bobert... the largest civil engineering project ever undertaken on the earth is the northern water supply to the Tr-State area of the US, Where do you think it will come from in future? And, how do you ensure they will have to buy it? Yes, Q... that IS a conspiracy theory. It's almost as if I think someone is frackin things up for all the money they can and WILL get. Ye western types better not let La Belle Province separate like Stevey boy said he would unless ya get some post dated cheques from him. Yeah, I am full of conspiracy theories... just as full of them as the frackers are full of shit - gas is lighter than water and it don't take an engineer to do the simple arithmethic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Bobert Date: 26 Mar 13 - 06:44 PM Hey, wait... What's this about the next big war being fought over water??? So, if water is good stuff then it seems that mixing it with a bunch of poison and pumping it into the ground where we keep the rest of the good water is, ahhhhhhhh... ...purdy fracked up!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Greg F. Date: 26 Mar 13 - 05:24 PM You think you got problems, gnu? Down here South of the Border we've got what is called the "Halliburton Loophole" - legislation passed during - you guessed it- the Baby Bush administration EXEMPTS fracking companies from the requirements of the Safe Water Drinking Act. Nor are manufacturers and operaters required to disclose the ingredients in the crap they pump into the ground. And what few regulations there are are set up so that the industry id "self-policing". Yeah, right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 26 Mar 13 - 04:36 PM So, I am lookin at screw type log splitters on You Tube for any ideas I can use and I see a frackin video by ******** Oil! ??? Why does that appear? Odd innit? The ad says frackin has been tried and true and tested for years! and here's how it SAFELY works! and Canada has enough gas for 100 years! Canada? Why does the ad cite Canada? Odd innit? Only thing is, I don't think it takes a soils engineer's hat (I just happen to have one of those in my engineering hat collection) to pause and ask, "Gee Mister Oilyman, what about ALL of the gas in the shale layer that lies above the extraction pipe? Praytell, where does SOME of that gas go and when does it go there?" If I was to take wild guesses, I would say "up" and "immediately". YT "Hydraulic Fracturing: How it works". Just don't say the name in this thread. It'll take them longer to find you. Of course, as to when it will get to the water above and, eventually, to the surface, well, that depends on all the strata above the shale layer. Could take a thousand years or it could get there just after Mr. Oilyman leaves and has no assets to be siezed by a court of law to pay for fouling the water and the land above his extraction pipe. Even if the frackin gas fouled the water before the well ran dry, Mr. Oilyman is cool because he's only responsible for fouling water wells less than one spit metres away from his well, which begs my next question, that being, "Thanks for all the reassuraces, Mr. Oilyman, but why is water testing only done on water wells within one spit metres of your gas well when your frackin pipe goes a load a spit metres further than that? Why isn't water testing done on the entire aquifer that may be affected by the fact that natural gas is lighter than water?" I may be paranoid for wondering why an advert by Imperial Oil appears on my YT search for logsplitters but I am rather "scared" by the inattention to detail of anyone who doesn't realize that natural gas is lighter than water and EVENTUALLY will get to where it is required to go by the simple laws of physics. Your mileage may vary. Oh, BTW, IF they frack us, I am applying for a job. Gonna need the coin if I have to move. Gotta make hay while the sun... still shines. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Janie Date: 08 Jul 12 - 11:19 PM I agree. From a purely geoethnocentric perspective, the figures I have seen published indicate the natural gas resources available through fracking in North Carolina are sufficient to meet the natural gas demand/need within the state for a mere 5 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Jul 12 - 10:54 PM Gas prices are historically low. In the long run it might be better for this state to sit on the resource and wait for higher prices and cleaner extraction methods. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Bobert Date: 08 Jul 12 - 10:02 PM Thanks, sis... That is what a lot of us have been sayin' all along... Lets get the science right... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Janie Date: 08 Jul 12 - 09:54 PM Thanks Jack. BTW for other readers, Hamilton is not the Dem. Assembly woman who hit the wrong button. Such occurrences are not unusual, especially late at night at the end of a frenetic session. The Republican leader of the Assembly used House rules to be able to ignore her "game changing" request for correction. I'd be offended by that except that if the rules had been used to override a veto I thought should be overridden I am aware I would simply be shrugging and saying "too bad, rules is rules.YOu hit the wrong button Thanks, and live with it." I am also not offended by "horse trading" per se. That is part and parcel of the democratic, legislative process. But Hamilton's arguments in her own favor are as disingenuous as they come. Perdue vetoed the bill not because she is opposed to fracking, but because she is aware there is not yet sufficient research available to do an informed short term cost-benefit analysis, and therefore certainly not enough information available to develop regulations to insure fracking can be done without serious threat to water supplies in the short to mid-term. The United States does not yet have the technology and infrastructure in place to use significantly more cleaner natural gas. Most of the increased production of natural gas brought about by fracking is currently being sold overseas, very profitably for the companies involved and their shareholders. I also understand that it is a temporarily significant economic engine for land owners and economically depressed communities where shale deposits exist. What is clear, however, is that it has not yet been demonstrated that fracking can occur without jeopardizing water resources over the long term, and in the long term, water resources are going to be the most precious and valuable resources we have. My sister is a water resource engineer. Now retired, she spent most of her working career designing water and sewage treatment plants as a partner in an engineering firm. I was often taken aback by her stance that the first responsibility of corporations was to the partners in privately held companies and to stock holders in public companies, and not to the common good, but I will say that she is pretty objective about weighing the science involved with the management of water resources, and always aware that good business and engineering management of water resources must put quality of water ahead of everything else. Good for business. Her take on fracking is that it has not yet been demonstrated that fracking does not threaten water supplies and the science does not yet exist that permits the development of regulations that require measures to reasonably protect water resources. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Jul 12 - 05:10 PM more news. Carols says. "She's a politician." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Jul 12 - 04:47 PM Susi Hamilton, Carol has voted for her until she heard about this. This is the worst kind of political horsetrading and to break a veto no less! I don't agree with her actions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Bobert Date: 08 Jul 12 - 01:14 PM The larger problem here is that fracking is potentially dangerous... Big Oil says, "trust us"??? Yeah, right... I mean, why are we making decisions on technologies that scientists tell us can poison our water??? Why aren't the real scientists getting heard... Yeah, we hear Big Oil's scientists... Hey, they represent less than 3% of the science community... Many, when it comes down to it aren't scientists at all... My late father-in-law worked for Big Oil (API - American Petroleum Institute), a K Street lobbying organization that spent a lot of Big Oil $$$ on Congressmen and women... When the Exxon Valdez oild spoill occurred he was sent to the Hill to testify about the effects of oil on the environment... He sat in hearing and in essence told Congress, "Don't worry, be happy, nature has a way of taking care of itself..." Was he s scientist??? Hell no, he wasn't... He had an undergraduate degree in "horticulture" from Cornell College in Iowa??? Yet there he was, an "expert" advising Congress on this massive oil spill... This shit is occurring today... The real scientists aren't being called upon for their expertise... Might of fact, there is an article in the Washington Post today about all the real scientists who can't get a job today... "Real" scientists need not apply... Grrrrrrr.... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Janie Date: 07 Jul 12 - 09:00 PM Yeh, Bobert. That was a shame, but if the same had happened on a close vote with the Dems in power, on another issue, I suspect the Dem speaker would have acted the same as the Repub. speaker did. Also note (and now I can't find the Rep. maybe you or Jack can.) the Democratic Representative from the Wilmington area who apparently voted for fracking in exchange for an addition to another bill that helped her district re: dollars for the film industry. I can't believe I can't find the info. now with Google. An NC conservation organization revoked a "Green" award she had received previously as the result of her change of vote. She had previously been quite vocal in opposition to the legislation regarding fracking. (I feel like an idiot for not being able to search out the details to name names.) Republicans are in control of the NC General Assembly for the 1st time since 1870. Understand that in terms of North Carolina, at least during the 26 years I have lived here, there is no discernable difference between a majority of Democrat legislators and what people in other parts of the country would consider moderate to mildly conservative Republicans in terms of positions and votes on either the State or the National level. A Republican controlled General Assembly in North Carolina = a reactionary right-wing Assembly. That has been quite clear by their votes. Don't ever forget this is the State that elected Jesse Helms to the Senate for 5 terms. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 07 Jul 12 - 07:36 PM She pushed the wrong button? How many buttons do they have? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Bobert Date: 07 Jul 12 - 07:11 PM But, Janie, the Repubs in the statehouse won the override bill by one vote and one Democrat said that she accidentally pushed the wrong button and asked to have it corrected... The Repubs said, "tough"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Janie Date: 07 Jul 12 - 06:46 PM North Carolina is now set to join in the disaster. Fracking had been banned. The Republican legislature passed legislation removing the ban a week ago. Gov. Bev Perdue, not necessarily opposed to fracking but mindful there is not enough research and the state does not have sufficient information on which to formulate environmental regulations vetoed it. The Legislature very quickly passed an override. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Desert Dancer Date: 07 Jul 12 - 12:44 PM For music content, video at the link: Songs Against Drilling: With interviews and concert footage, the filmmaker Alex Gibney covers a rally against hydraulic fracturing and accompanying benefit concert featuring Natalie Merchant and Mark Ruffalo. One day in April, I got a call from Natalie Merchant wondering if I would round up some volunteers to film an anti-hydraulic-fracturing concert and rally in Albany. I couldn't resist. First of all, I had thought for some time that the rush to hydraulic fracturing was reckless. Second, I really liked Natalie's idea: mounting a kind of "teach-in" about the topic and a celebration of the activists who had spread the word about the dangers of hydraulic fracturing . Most of the recent political discourse is so grim, shrill and angry. Here, wonderful rocking voices — and man do they soar! — would shake the windows and rattle the walls in Albany, even as Gov. Andrew Cuomo was deciding what to do about hydraulic fracturing . The last song is Sly and the Family Stone's "Everyday People," which includes the lyrics: "My own beliefs are in my song." ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 11 May 12 - 09:40 AM Thanks, but not us-- we're grateful to be here. The locals, tho. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 10 May 12 - 06:17 PM My heart goes out to you, Susan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: wysiwyg Date: 10 May 12 - 12:17 PM People in southern PA with friends in not-yet-fracked-up NY state asked me to say what it has been like in our neck of the dust: The Nutshell Version: We failed to understand what the massing of white trucks on the county's borders portended. For us (we rent our home), it all "started" one day when we happened to witness a Land Grab (we actually saw one of the coordinating meetings) in progress (over coffee) at our favorite Mom-n-Pop diner. The next clue was like War of the Worlds. Then we started gathering information and by then it was too late for clean water-- our local help-yourself spring suddenly sported a "Do Not Drink the Water" sign when I went to fetch our supply of drinking water. Now we fetch from a friend's roadside spring an hour west, but the white trucks began massing on his county's borders last fall. My house is full of nasty dust-- we sit between two nearby wellpads, a new "pond" for them to suck all the local groundwater out of, and the farmers who can at last pay off their tractors and who are diversifying from dairy into other means of having grocery bucks. Up the road is the dirt-moving company whose trucks' wheels leave their drying mud all over the road, to be pulverized into... more dust blowing all over my porch storage and into my house. Tourism is nearly defunct. Only a few hunters came last fall. Apartments are perma-booked with revolving groups of gas workers. A one-sleeping-room/houseshare is $600-$1,000 a month (goodbye student housing). TBTG our landlord is also a principled friend, or St. Paul's Canon Rector would now be homeless-- IF we could find housing it's way over our pay grade. I have understated each point. John will recall how hard I tried to get to H'burg for meetings... now I travel to the 'burg and Lancaster just to see frack-free zones and get fresher air. You must understand that our fracked-up water flows SOUTH to.... y'all. Some of it also flows north into NY state. Bear in mind that what will happen in your area has actually already been decided by Big Money, long before you will see the white trucks (that are now red trucks here). It is far bigger geographically and economically than was the strip-mining (rape) of the Appalachians.... If you hear the helicopter traffic suddenly increase bigtime overhead, that's the seismic crew planning where they will be digging. It has all slowed a tad due to price manipulations (there's a current "glut" on gas), but it will come back up soon I am sure. The gas peeps are sure enough they'll be here for a long time that they have bought and built their own hotels and barracks. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: eddie1 Date: 08 May 12 - 06:49 AM From BBC News this morning: Environment Agency head Lord Smith supports fracking expansion The chairman of the Environment Agency, Lord Smith, has given his support to the expansion of the controversial "fracking" method of extracting natural gas from shale rock in the UK. Energy companies say the use of fracking will lead to cheaper supplies. Lord Smith told the BBC it could be a "useful addition" to the UK's "energy mix" if certain requirements were met. But critics say there are risks from the process, which has been linked to two earth tremors in Lancashire. The process of fracking (hydraulic fracturing) involves pumping water and chemicals into shale rock at high pressure to extract gas. There has been a boom in the process worldwide, as nations seek new and less expensive ways to increase their energy supplies. But fracking has been blamed for the pollution of underground and surface water supplies, as well as causing minor earthquakes. Lord Smith told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that he would not stand in the way of fracking in the UK, as long as certain requirements were met. The former Labour cabinet minister said the process was capable of causing environmental risks, but with careful monitoring these may be overcome. He insisted that power firms should be required to capture the carbon emissions from burning gas and store them in underground rocks to prevent them contributing to climate change - something power firms are not currently obliged to do. "We need to do all the tests. We need to be very careful about how we do them. My expectation is that they will be able to do them safely and, if they can, then it would provide a useful addition to our energy mix," he said. However, he added that fracking "has to be done safely and we have to develop carbon capture in the storage to enable us to reduce the greenhouse gas impact that it will have". Lord Smith also gave his backing to nuclear power, saying "it has to be part of the overall landscape of the provision of energy". Admitting that he had changed his mind on the issue, he told the BBC: "Twenty years ago I would have said 'over my dead body' for nuclear power. "Now climate change has made a realist of many of us and I have to say it has to be part of the mix." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 28 Apr 12 - 06:33 PM Yes, it is. thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: michaelr Date: 28 Apr 12 - 05:23 PM Interesting article here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge Date: 28 Apr 12 - 10:52 AM I ad` that Mrs.Verdant, the Green Party activist in my cab the other day. She`d said been seeking nomination to represent `yde Park in Parliament. I think sh`es a little off target since it aint a constituency. I said, "I reckon you ought to get on that Mudcat with your convictions. They`re all on about "fracking" now, `specially since Lancashire`s in the frame." She said, "Tell me about it, Jim. I just don`t know what we`re doing to ourselves and the planet. Fracking causing earthquakes and tsunamis, wind factories doing the birds in, `ydro electric plants draining the lakes, oil and gas drilling polluting land and sea and over`ead cables causing `eadaches. Oh dear, Oh dear. When I `ave my fifteen minutes in charge I`ll get shot of the lot of it. Names will be called, `eads will roll and strings`ll be pulled." I said, "I s`pose you`ll be able to survey the "New World" from your cave." She said, "Oh, I `adn`t thought of that!!" Whaddam I Like?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 27 Apr 12 - 03:06 PM Got a link? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Donuel Date: 27 Apr 12 - 09:29 AM Having started this thread, the salient points still remain while being highly redacted. Another excellent PBS expose' on fracking, primarily in PA, is available to watch on their website. Again I remind you that the fracking plan and the special exemptions to clean water laws happened under Cheney's watch during those secret energy plans which should have been open, transparent and up to discussion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Apr 12 - 05:13 AM With some amusement I must agree with Wildebeest. We have much the same process going on in the UK now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 26 Apr 12 - 10:39 PM Here's an addition.... Oh, one more thing. Will all of the members of the legislature who support fracking put their personal fortunes and properties up for compensation to those negatively affected by fracking? After all, those members are asking New Brunswickers who may be affected to do just that and beyond... their land, their livelihoods, their health and their children's health and futures. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 26 Apr 12 - 07:35 PM Soooo... the federal governement of Canada is gonna conduct "studies" to see if fracking causes an increase in earthquake frequency. BUT, there are no intentions, as far as I know, to monitor groundwater during these studies. So, is this a good idea? Can you guys critique this, offer me advice, ideas, whatever? When it's ready, will you guys help me get this in the newspapers across Canada?...... An open letter to Premier(s) Whoever/Prime Minister Harper/federal Minister of the Environment Kent: I read in the Moncton, NB Times&Transcript that NB will participate in a study of the correlation between fracking and earthquake frequency. Will these studies also monitor groundwater quality? If so, will the results of the pre-study and post-study groundwater tests be published in the NB newspapers on a timely basis (that is, pre-study results before the study)? Will the chemicals used in fracking during the study be the exact same chemicals in the exact same concentrations during and after the study? Will the frackers be required to supply samples of the fluids injected during and after the study for analysis and will those analyses be published in the NB newspapers on a timely basis? Will you allow sufficient time after the study fracking to monitor and assess the long(er) term affects on groundwater? If so, have you determined what that time period should be? If so, upon what research do you base this time period? If groundwater analyses before, during and after the study are not to be included in this research, WHY NOT? If I am remiss in not being up to date on the details of the studies to be done, please accept my humblest apologies. Also, please reference me as to where I might find this information if previous published. Sincerely, One seriously pissed off citizen... >;-) Nooooo. Ain't gonna do that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Janie Date: 29 Dec 11 - 10:42 PM The debate regarding the pros and cons is starting to generate considerable heat in North Carolina. Jeez. 40 years worth of natural gas (if used domestically) vs. how many potential years of loss of safe water, not to mention other environmental concerns? http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10243004/ Have had some "interesting" conversations with my sister - a retired water resource engineer - retired from being a partner in a financially successful firm on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. She primarily dealt with municipal water and sewage treatment. Not unmindful of environmental concerns, but definitely has a bit of a corporate perspective, i.e., the gas resources are going to be exploited so we may as well promote policies that increase domestic consumption so that we benefit domestically. In her limited view, the environmental degradation is inevitable. If the USA is to experience the degradation, it should be off-set by reaping the benefits of natural gas production via fracking. Currently, and for the near future, the domestic market for natural gas is significantly lower than the capacity for production - so many of the corporate players in natural gas production via fracking are seeking permits and regulations to develop production for export. That short- term cost/benefit analysis is what she focuses on. Sister's position is based on her informed opinion (perhaps assumption) that increased natural gas production will proceed and that it will have significant environmental consequences,especially on water resources. Based on her concrete perspective, she is excited about technologies that increase the domestic use of cleaner natural gas over coal. Because she is a concrete thinker, she does not factor in the very finite realities that 1. natural gas will also soon run out (within 40-150 years,) 2. with the increase in world (and/or regional) populations and climate change water resources are becoming increasingly scarce. I love my sister. I respect her. She is a fine musician and especially a talented fiddler. She took the all natural Christmas wreath she brought to our family vacation home to toss into the woods where it will decay instead of dumping it into a plastic bag to be picked up by the garbage men. She recycles with almost religious fervor. And she is absolutely myoptic in some respects. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Dec 11 - 08:35 PM Although this is a somewhat older thread, the subject is still alive. Those concerned might be interested in the recent news item at MSNBC 100 years of natural gas? Hype gets reality check. The more complete analysis, referenced at the above link, is at Slate, What the FRAC. Several other articles of interest are cited (and most are linked) at the above links, and I'll leave it to those concerned to read and pick out the details useful to them. There have been a number of other reports, but mostly related to isolated incidences of methane in the water supplies and the like. These reports take a general and analytical view of the whole business, and stronly imply the there is reason to suspect that claims by those seeking fracking permits (in the US) would find mining the BULLSHIT at the feedlots/stockyards about as productive as what they propose (but that's just my one interpretation). John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Richard Bridge Date: 22 Sep 11 - 08:06 PM Oh shit! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Van Date: 22 Sep 11 - 03:34 PM Just read in my local paper that a different compny has applid for a licence to carry out this type of exploration near Sandwich (Kent). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Van Date: 22 Sep 11 - 02:07 PM Could give a whole new meaning to Blackpool Illuminations. It would be good to think that it could be stopped but highly unlikely. Think economic recovery, growth rates, GDP etc. etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 22 Sep 11 - 01:51 PM They pulled out of here short of full exploration. Said thay had enough info for now. The government is negotiating with them for full liability IF there are any screwups... yeah, right. They had to pull out. Equipment sabotage... gunfire. We are talkin some pissed off good ol boys. One lad is probably goin ta jail. I dunno... the gas companies have the RCMP ($$$$$) on their side. It's a tough call. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: GUEST,Eddie1 sans Cookie Date: 22 Sep 11 - 06:40 AM From today's Telegraph (UK) "Cuadrilla Resources' huge gas find in Blackpool could create 5,600 jobs A company backed by former BP chief Lord Browne claims to have found a gas field near Blackpool that could be the largest ever discovered in Britain. By Rowena Mason 6:00AM BST 22 Sep 2011 Cuadrilla Resources believes there are 200 trillion cubic feet of "shale" gas in the Bowland basin, which could result in a Lancashire gas boom creating 5,600 jobs at peak production. Shale is a type of onshore gas common in the US, which is extracted by blasting apart rock in a process called fracking. More testing is needed, but the estimates suggest Britain could have more shale gas than Poland, which has been considered Europe's biggest holder of probable reserves. Cuadrilla hopes to start work on more test wells this autumn. However, it is currently banned from drilling over fears this caused a tremor in Blackpool earlier this year. It is waiting for the Government to decide whether it can restart. Its 200 trillion figure has not been independently verified and often only a small percentage of a probable reserve can be extracted. Current estimates for UK shale gas potential are just 4.2 trillion cubic feet. Executive director Dennis Carlton said initial results show a basin five to 10 times thicker than America's Marcellus shale. Discoveries of shale have tranformed the US gas industry – though, at some sites, there have been claims that fracking contaminates drinking water. Cuadrilla is part owned by Riverstone, where Lord Browne is a partner, and engineering group Lucas." Of course, the "spin" focusses on the 5,600 jobs although only 1700 of these will be in Lancashire. I'm writing to my MP but it will take more than my small voice. Eddie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 30 Jul 11 - 04:35 PM This is a video, filmed on Thursday morning, by a FB friend of mine, a really decent guy called John LaRose. Fracking Trucks - around 40 passing his house within 5 minutes... As you can see, his once peaceful town is now ruined by a new kind of hell, known only to those who are unlucky enough to live where the Fracking Wells dwell. He's put a few videos such as this on his page, all filmed on different days at different times. Always, they are the same. He and his family are being driven mad with the noise. The community is doing all it can to try and stop this, but so far with no luck. He's also distressed by the amount of wild animals who are getting knocked down by these trucks.. It's insanity to me.... The world is drying up, getting hotter, and here we are, as a species, being led by people who want to either dam the entire planet, or blast millions of gallons of fresh water down into the ground, loaded up with chemicals....and that water will never be seen again.... Drought, drought and more drought....and John is almost weeping at times for what is happening in his state of Pennsylvannia...He's American Indian, so his Spirit lies in the Earth, making all thise even harder for he and his family to endure, and to understand... What the frack are we doing to our planet and to ourselves??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Donuel Date: 13 Jul 11 - 04:33 PM A bit off topic but Exxon's Yellowstone river oil spill is a perfect example of our nation's response to oil disasters. The EPA has taken not merely one water and soil samples to determine the spread and danger of the spil THEY HAVE TAKEN ZERO. Exxon reports that 46 K gallons spilled. It seems that the spill took place over 14 hours, 7 hours or 3 hours. But it doesn't matter since Exxon has refused to measure how much oil arrived at the other end of the pipe at 90 dollars a barrel. Despite the fact that the flow continued from its source under pressure we are told that the amount of time does not matter. When I fill my pool it has always mattered how long I let the hose run, but I guess oil is different. To find the exact ammount of oil "lost" in the pipeline one would need one of those calculators that do subtraction. So Exxon is sticking to their original story, much the same way BP did last summer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: gnu Date: 13 Jul 11 - 03:30 PM vectis.... THANKS! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: vectis Date: 13 Jul 11 - 02:59 PM I eventually found a link that worked, thanks to Donuel. It runs for about 1.5 hours and each section seems to load automatically. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgreop_gasland-vostfr-1-6_news It is scary stuff and shows how powerful industrial lobbys can ride roughshod over the general public. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gas Fracking disaster looms From: Janie Date: 26 Jun 11 - 09:49 PM And a good one, John. Thanks for posting the link. |
