Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)

Subject: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Sooz
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 05:16 AM

Theres going to be a folk festival at Butins (Skegness) in December

Interesting?

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: JHW
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 05:38 AM

Bracing

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 05:39 AM

uummm... Wow!   too bad it is over 3 hour drive and TSO has to work both Friday and Monday.   le sigh.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: My guru always said
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 05:49 AM

Haven't been to Butlins since I was knee high, how tempting! And on my birthday weekend too.....

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 07:22 AM

The beer is always awful at these places.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 07:31 AM

And a remarkable lack of Programme info !

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: matt milton
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 07:44 AM

interesting that it's happening.

not a very interesting line-up though

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: mayomick
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 10:01 AM

Great that it should be taking place at Butlins all the same . People here shouldn't turn their noses up now that the folkies are finally getting a chance to meet the folk .Skegness makes it sound even better doesn't it - more authentic . I'll have to try to dig out a fifty verse ballad that gives Skeggers a mention.(I'm sure locals must call it Skeggers ) . Mudcatters could go along as redcoats to keep everyone happy and clapping along.
I just come across a ballad that might fit the bill :it's called The Ballad o' Nobbly-on-the-Naise . Isn't Nobbly-on-the-Naise supposed to be somewhere around Skegness ?

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 10:34 AM

The last time I stayed at Butlins about 4/5 years ago, it was about the same time December.

We left early, because of the drunken louts and the voilence, which Butlins seemed unable to control. In our block, 2 apartments were trashed including windows smashed and drunken yobbos bawling their head off about 3 in the morning till they collapsed.

Now I know that folkies are not normally like that, but I swore that Butlins would never get another penny out of me and they won't.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: GUEST,qtwf
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 10:48 AM

There used to be a folk festival at Butlins, Bognor Regis - ran for about four years in the early nineties?

Surreal, but huge fun :)

Cheers,

Q

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: GUEST,Guest Betsy
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 11:50 AM

I'll give that a miss - Jeez who picked THAT lot ?????

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: mayomick
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 03:15 PM

Seriously ,I really can't see anything wrong in having a folk festival at Butlins with good performers , if you could get the venue cheaply enough . I'd rather stay in a chalet than a tent nowadays .

For Americans who may not know about the Butlins phenomenom :the Butlins company had a chain of about twenty holiday camps around British coastal resorts where a lot of working class families used to take their summer vacations . The advent of cheap package flights to sunnier climates put many of the sites out of business in the seventies, but before that ,they were very popular. They had the reputation of being cheap and cheerful ,but also a bit over-regimented.
Two English comedians ,Eric Sykes and Hattie Jacques, did a very funny send-up of the camps in their TV show .

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 07:21 PM

Ruth Madoc did it better! All together now - "Good Morning Campers"!

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Will Fly
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 04:27 AM

Locals, as I recall, call Skegness "Skeggy". Reading this thread I'm transported back to 1965 when, for a student summer job, I worked as a seaside photographer in Skegness - for a now defunct firm called Wraites. I had to don the red and yellow striped blazer on a Friday and Saturday night and do the rounds at Butlins. I thought it was a fairly crappy place but it was packed to the gills, as were the "happy campers" themselves.

No sign of folk though. The records of note being played over and over again were the Byrds' version of "Mr. Tambourine Man" and - quite appropriately, I thought - the Animals' "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place".

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 04:52 AM

I'm local(ish) and call it Skeggy. Will's description above is about right I think!

We went to the Rock and Blues event at Skeggy Butlins a few years back. Found Butlins itself to be fairly reasonable, but the bands got a bit repetitive, to say the least. About the only difference between the bands was the colour of the stratocasters...

If you like the look of the line-up for the folk weekend though you will probably have a good time.

Pete.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Fran
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 04:56 AM

More info and additions to the line up here

http://www.ukpressreleases.co.uk/THE-GREAT-BRITISH-FOLK-FESTIVAL-Folk-music--with-a-twist~123.htm.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: GUEST,Johnjo
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 01:05 PM

Twas always 'Skeggy' when I went there as a kid. Never stayed at the Butlins, but went once as a day visitor.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Sooz
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 02:07 PM

Over the years Skeggy has become Skeg!

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: glueman
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 02:44 PM

Stackridge are playing. My Butlitz cynicism just turned to enthusiasm.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: nutty
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 02:57 PM

Seems a bit too concert based for me .... where are the dance teams, the workshops, the singarounds. Unfortunately many festival organisers forget that folk music appeals to different people in different ways.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: nickp
Date: 26 Jul 10 - 04:24 AM

I used to go to the Butlins Folk Festival when it was in Bognor at Easter. Interesting...

It was paired with a Country & Western Festival. For some reason they got all the good venues and we had what was left...

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Nick
Date: 26 Jul 10 - 09:47 AM

Cheggers Plays Pop
Skeggers Plays Folk

It's got a ring to it. Perhaps a TV program there.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Kampervan
Date: 26 Jul 10 - 04:20 PM

I love the fact that the organisers are trying to link Skegness with a "local" song from Horkstow.

Horkstow is 65 miles away, and much closer to Grimsby/Lincoln/doncaster/Leeds/Scunthorpe/'you name it', than to Skegness.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this looks like a folk weekend organised by someone who doesn't know a lot about folk.

K/van

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: GUEST,I Don't Know
Date: 27 Jul 10 - 03:44 AM

I will be there, booked at the weekend, very few rooms left. The main reason I am going is Oysterband & a cheap weekend break in the lead up to the winter.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Carol
Date: 27 Jul 10 - 09:13 AM

Sounds interesting, they used to have singarounds at the
Bognor Regis one I wonder if they still take tourers in
December, they don't have chalets now it's apartments but some of them aren't much cop.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: GUEST,I Don't Know
Date: 27 Jul 10 - 09:57 AM

Just had an update on the festival & the line up is Oysterband, Kate Rusby,Donovan, The Gathering, Acoustic Strawbs, Sandi Thom, Richard Digance & The Dylan Project also John Renborn & Jackie Mcshee,Away with the Faeries,Jiggerypipery & more. It should be really good.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Fran
Date: 27 Jul 10 - 11:40 AM

So all names I have seen so far

DONOVAN
KATE RUSBY
ACOUSTIC STRAWBS
SANDI THOM
JOHN RENBOURN & JACQUI McSHEE
OYSTER BAND
HUNTER MUSKETT
DEBORAH BONHAM ACOUSTIC
RICHARD DIGANCE
GARY FLETCHER BAND
PHIL COOL
THE DYLAN PROJECT
GORDON GILTRAP
JIGGERYPIPERY
SHINJIG
AWAY WITH THE FAERIES
LEGENDS OF FOLK ROCK – The Gathering
(inc current of former members of – Lindisfarne. Steeleye Span, Jethro Tull, Fairport, Magna Carta)
ROD CLEMENTS
STACKRIDGE
NINE BELOW ZERO UNPLUGGED….

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Leadfingers
Date: 27 Jul 10 - 01:41 PM

But NO mention of Any Sessions or other 'Normal' festival events ??

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: GUEST,DICKY BOY
Date: 27 Jul 10 - 02:57 PM

All paid up and looking forward to it.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jul 10 - 07:08 PM

The Bognor version had sessions and dances.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: GUEST,Cats
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 12:18 PM

Just had a look at the website. As I am on my own and all the 'room only' is now booked the cheapest I can get is £231 which is alot different from the £69 in the advert. Add the travel up from cornwall and it makes it over £500 before I add in food or drink. Sorry, shan't be going

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 12:37 PM

Thats not true Cats

Select Skegness, then Big weekend 18+, then make sure you have the right dates etc.

Where it says How many people are coming? change it to 1

Then click on Choose your accomodation

Then select Dinner Bed and Breakfast and click on Check Availability

Then check options 1, 2, 6, or 7

You may get a surprise. Remember the price includes all your food.

Need to hurry though as they are running short.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: GUEST,bigdrummergirl
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 11:30 AM

Two of us booked apartment and all food for £180. Don't think that's bad at all.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Cats
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 12:34 PM

Have tried again and am still getting a price of over 250. could be something to do with having a single supplement added on. don't want dinner bead and breakfast much prefer self catering

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 01:35 PM

Self catering is more expensive Cats for one person

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 12:03 PM

…….. I swore that Butlins would never get another penny out of me and they won't.

I'm with Arthur on this one.

I went to Butlins at Skegness not too many years ago, staying in a reasonably new apartment block. We arrived just after a heavy rainfall to find water dripping through the apartment roof. We were moved to different apartment but this was worse with mould growing on the walls in the shower due to a leak of wastewater from the apartment above. They had no other accommodation to offer, so I asked to take the first one. They refused and said that they would fix the problem in the second one. "Fixing" consisted of one coat of white paint straight over the mould. When I complained, they were extremely unsympathetic and gave me two choices – accept it or take a refund and clear off. As my kids had been looking forward to the weekend and I didn't want to disappoint them, I reluctantly accepted but we didn't dare use the shower for fear of the biological hazard.

If you go to the folk weekend, I hope you enjoy yourself but be wary of any problems that may arise because, from my experience, Butlins customer relations stink.


DC

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins
From: GUEST,eliza c
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 10:16 PM

A very odd lineup I thought. Very one-dimensional. Still, if they asked me to play there I'd give it a go for the curiosity factor-never been to a holiday camp before! I would be looking out for Ruth Madoc round every corner...
x e

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 05:18 AM

I took my son to Butlins and its gone right down hill since I was a kid and went with me parents? That was when Billy owned it mind back in the late 60s?
I swear the bumper cars I took my son on were the same ones when I was there back in the 60s.
They really ought to splash out on some new bumper cars the one we eventually got in after a endless wait only went backwards when you put your foot on the pedal? caused chaos got thrown off too boot and none of it was my fault.
I wouldn't go to Butlins again if they had the biggest line up in folk history. The staff are kids the red coats are kids the beer is crap and I got skin irritation from the bed sheets?
Regards Pierre.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 09:50 AM

I take that back I have seen the folk line up and its brillient
Regards Pierre.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 12:14 PM

I was getting quite interested until I saw the little disclaimer "All guests must be 18+". If we can't bring Holz, they can get stuffed.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Armanaya
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 04:28 AM

I was quite interested in reasonably priced all in weekend in dull December but having seen some of the above comments not so sure.
As anyone else had experience of Butlins Food and accomadation particularly in winter!

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Desi C
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 08:54 AM

Actually not a bad line up includes Donovan, The dylan project and Kate Rusby and cheaper than most Folk Festivals

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 09:38 AM

if it was nearer, or train travel across country were more affordable,
me and the mrs would risk a weekend at butlins for such a reasonably priced
line up of 'established' popular 'folk' artists....


maybe Minehead next time if the festival is a success ???

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Pguest
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 07:44 PM

Hi

Has anyone got any idea what time it starts and finishes? I'd love to go but need to book a specific train time on Friday and Monday.

Also - should my friends and I go self-catering or take their meals?

Advice welcome, Ta.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,bigdrummergirl
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 08:28 PM

Not sure about this particular weekend but normally book in from 4 pm friday and leave at 10 am monday hope this helps . We are taking the half board option but as there are only 2 of up this is the cheapest. My advice would be to check out all the pricing and then decide on which is the best for your group.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Joules
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 04:32 PM

I have not been to Butlins since I was 16 ( thats at least 10 years ago ) when I used to work at Derbyshire Miners Holiday Camp and the lads used to sneak us in through a hole in the fence on a Friday night cause the entertainment was better. I remember it as being very dire but I have booked and we are hoping to have a good weekend. Surely it is what you make it and I, for one, am hoping there will be enough folks bringing instruments and voices to make our own sessions. Here's hoping the insect spray won't be neccesary.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 08:54 PM

Latest advertised price: £59.
Latest lineup:
Sandi Thom Kate Rusby Acoustic Strawbs The Legends of Folk Rock: The Gathering Donovan Gordon Giltrap Hunter Muskett Phil Cool The Dylan Project The Gary Fletcher Band John Renbourn & Jacqui McShee Richard Digance Nine Below Zero Rod Clements Shinjig Stackridge Away With The Faeries Oyster Band Jiggerypipery Deborah Bonham Acoustic Ay Ducane The Unthanks

Cat, I asked for a quote for 2 people, 3 nights, with food = £180, of which some £70+ is for the food. Very reasonable, I think. It works out at £30 a head per day, including breakfast and dinner!

Shan't be going myself, as it's purely concert based, no dance, sessions etc. But money is no reason, it's cheap! So cheap, that I wonder what they are paying the multitude of performers booked...

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Fidjit
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 04:03 AM

I did a season as a "Stallion" at Minehead in'68.

Chas

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Fidjit
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 04:06 AM

And got to see Derek Brimstone when he did Minehead Folk Club. Outside the camp.

Chas

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 01:24 PM

I've booked. 4 days at £238.70 total for 2 people full board, 2 bedrooms and a line-up that interests me. I think that's Brilliant! Good on ya Butlins! I'll support any organisation that provides for the folk enthusiast. Shame on you that knock it before it happens.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 02:30 PM

Its Skeggy round Grimsby and Skeg to the Yorkies in Donny...
Butlitz !
Pulseroom you go have fun there are probably more knockers on here than on Skeggy beach even in the summer.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,sumyob
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 02:20 PM

I can't think of a better use for a holiday camp in winter.

I know blokes who attended Butlins Bognor-as previously stated they lumped folkies in with c/w (US:Grand Ol'Opry)people-a la BBC.
Participatory certainly,as there were many fully kitted morrismen(baldricks,flowery hats),likewise westerners(stetsons,boots etc).
A performer-no name as still working,albeit in a slightly modified form and not wishing to jeopardise a return gig for them,observed
(UKers read this in Lily Savage's voice,overseas try Lennon's):

'The morris types were wandering around eyeing the westerners and muttering: Would yer just look at the state of that...'

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 02:44 PM

maybe Pontin's administrators could learn something useful here..???

.. re-site the Priddy Folk Festival at Sand Bay Holiday Camp ?????

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Fran
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 06:18 AM

Not long now, hope the snow does not affect it too much.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: I don't know
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 06:26 AM

Rung a short while ago & they say to ring from 9.00am Tomorrow for an update as they are expecting more snow today & overnight.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 06:27 AM

' hope the snow does not affect it too much'

proof that hope really does spring eternal in the human breast.

That stretch of the A52 was always a favourite for motorbikers - seeing how close they can get to the ground as they negotiate the many twists and turns. I bet its like a toboggan run in this lot.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 07:12 AM

The event is going ahead and the artists are arriving. The person at Butlins did say that Pentangle had to cancel, but the rest are fine at this point.

Butlins have said that conditions are good in Skegness.

Anybody that can't make it becuase of the road conditions, can get in touch with Butlins and they will issue a letter to confirm that and that can then be claimed against your holiday insurance (assuming you have paid for that).

If you make it, I hope you all have a great time.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Fran
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 07:22 AM

Pentangle not booked?

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 01:48 PM

We will make the best of what we have, it'll be fun. My wife has just bought me The Glenlivet 15 years of age. Cold? Nah!

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 02:33 PM

Are you there already Pulseroom?
If so, how is it going?

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 02:40 PM

No I'm off there in the morning Arthur, can't wait. Whoop Whoop! Bring it on.............

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 02:55 PM

Where are you based?

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 03:23 PM

Mexborough Nr Rotherham/Doncaster

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 03:27 PM

Phew, you have a lovely journey ahead of you.

Take care and make sure you get there safely.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 03:30 PM

I will thanks.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 03:38 PM

In the chilly hours and minutes,
Of uncertainty, I want to be,
At Butlins Festival at Skeggy beside the sea.

Whooop Whooop! Bring it on.........

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Fran
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 04:22 PM

Oysterband are there already, they have a night off and are in a chalet with booze awaiting curry.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Strummin Steve
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 04:58 PM

I've got tickets but I'm not sure I can see myself getting there in view of the road conditions.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 08:50 AM

One word sums up this event *****Phenomenal*****

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: I don't know
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 11:34 AM

Just got back. Left Friday morning after ringing & being told roads good & yes all the roads heading north were far better than expected.
The accommodation was as expected, food good for what we paid & yes despite a few changes to the line up I have to agree with Pulseroom this event was   PHENOMENAL. For the first time ever we have booked already for next year without seeing any artist line up.
It is a shame that Butlins said approximately 800 other people were unlucky in not arriving. Hope you all consider it for 2011.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 12:19 PM

Sounds like it was a good event. We would have considered going if they'd allowed children. I can't believe that, in this day and age, there's a folk festival that doesn't allow anyone under 18. Needless to say, we won't be going until that policy is changed.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 12:23 PM

No children allowed ? right, I'm definitely booking for next year !

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 12:41 PM

http://www.butlins.com/whats-on-when/2009/Whats-on/activities-and-sports/Great-for-Grown-ups/adult-big-weekends.aspx

thank you Butlins

"On key dates throughout the year our Resorts go adults-only with our Big Weekends. No kids, no taxis, no worries....

... Just pick the kind of music you like, round up your mates, head down to Butlins and party all weekend."

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 01:06 PM

Yes I have also booked for Dec 2nd 2011. Just £50.00 deposit secured and rest to pay in October 2011. Fantastic deal. A big thank you to Butlins from me also.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010
From: GUEST,bigdrummergirl
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 02:17 PM

I have booked for next year and, judging by the queue at the holiday shop so have lots of others. We had a fantastic weekend.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 05:19 AM

What have you got against children, erbert? Not interested in the next generation of folk musicians? How very selfish of you. I have an 11-year old daughter who has been to every festival with us and who loves the music, plays cell and fiddle, sings and just loves the whole vibe.

Well, I'm pleased that we won't be able to go to Butlins if we have to mix with twats like erbert. Plenty more festivals that welcome children.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 02:07 PM

If it included friday and Monday the children should have been in school.
FloraG.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Yvonne
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 02:37 PM

So tell us..why was it so good?

'Phenomenal' is just not enough.

Who played what where?
How many people were there?
What were the artists like..were they all good?
Were there any ballads sang.
Was it mainly traditional folk music or not?
Was there any 'fringe' where people could do their own thing?
Was everything perfect or were there areas that were not so good?
Was it like Shrewsbury festival or Sidmouth or Cleckheaton or was it not really like any other folk festival?

Yvonne

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 03:35 PM

'Phenomenal' will just have to do Yvonne, because that's how much I enjoyed it because I was there.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Armanaya
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 02:25 AM

WE were a little worried about the weather but travelled via Newark and Horncastle, the roads were clear and arrived at 6.30 it was very cold outside but the apartments were very warm. after a good meal (we booked the Full board package eating in the coat resurant) we went to the Centre stage concert (capacity 2500 a 3000 I think)
Gary Fletcher was OK, stand in band Pie were not to my taste so went to see the Strawbs in the second venue reds which is also very large. I really enjoyed them before returning to the Centre Stage to see the Oyster band perform a blinding set and back to the cozy apartments to bed.

Saturday started with a full breakfast (worth the price of the meal ticket alone)
The afternoon concert was all very good with Ey Duncan, Phil Cool and Richard Digence. The evening we opted for Reds and and enjoyed The Gathering, Sandy Thom very much but soon tired of Jiggerypipery and retired to bed.

Sunday afternoon opened with the Gordan Giltrap who was outstanding followed by Shindig a ceilidh band in a concert? final act in the afternoon was the new to me Nine below zero they were very good.

Before leaving to be home for work Monday we saw Kate Rusbys first set

There are some things that could be improved but overall a great good value weekend. For our party of 6 we paid £123 each including silver a accommodation and meals in the coast restaurant.

I would like to see a few more younger acts, a ceilidh or two and more open mics and will be booking for next year.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 07:03 AM

ok, theleveller, I'll try not to resort to being insulting back to you..

"We would have considered going if they'd allowed children. I can't believe that, in this day and age,
there's a folk festival that doesn't allow anyone under 18. Needless to say, we won't be going
until that policy is changed."

"On key dates throughout the year our Resorts go adults-only with our Big Weekends.
No kids, no taxis, no worries....
Just pick the kind of music you like, round up your mates, head down to Butlins and party all weekend."

well you see, that's the entire point of Butlin's "Adults-only Big Weekends"

Its a holidy camp, its a once in a blue moon weekend break specifically catering for adults to get away
from all the demands and stresses of their kids
and let their hair down for a rave up with other
temporarily care-free grown ups.

Its also a extremely rare opportunity for adult music lovers to avoid the perpetual tyranny
of self-rightious pompous middle-class parents
and their over-indulged noisy nuisance cute little spoilt brat darlings.

'Folk' is only one of many different music genre oriented Adult music weekends presented at these holiday centres.

Its Butlins, a big corporate holiday and entertainment company,
not Cambridge, Sidmouth, or any of the many smaller 'Folk Culture'
family festivals and events throughout the year.

You have every other festival bending to your 'family friendly' demands:

and fair enough, to a certain extent, most people, including me,
would agree entirely with your reasons and motives..

"What have you got against children, erbert? Not interested in the next generation of folk musicians? How very selfish of you. I have an 11-year old daughter who has been to every festival with us and who loves the music, plays cell and fiddle, sings and just loves the whole vibe."

well thats fantastic, and you've every right to be proud of your folk musically inclined child.

But should that give you any right or privilege to arrogantly expect every effin folk event to cater only for your personal selfish family arrangements ?

tough, Butlins know their market, and the reasonable requirements of their target consumers;
exhausted stressed out parents treating themselves
to a weekend away from the family to just be themselves !!!

and for many other music fans, its an additional bonus that for once they can enjoy
a line up of popular performers free from the distraction and irritation of other peoples over-indulged noisy kids.

Hence, these very popular and successful Adult-Only Weekend music Breaks.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 07:56 AM

I don't think anyone can argue at your points there Erbert, well said. However! Isn't it a shame that you have to go to so much length to explain yourself? I chose not to answer the questions from Yvonne, I'm sure there is a lot more I can say about this lovely event. This is certainly the last message I will post on this thread. I'm sure there will be another thread for next year's event as soon as we know who the performers will be.

Be there or be square....

Bring it on........ Whoooop Whooooop!

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: mayomick
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 08:48 AM

I'm very pleased everyone seemed to have enjoyed themselves so much despite the weather . Fair play to Butlins for putting this kidless weekend on -the price was good as well. Perhaps the company is able to keep the prices down because they don't have to provide child-minding facilities .

I share Yvonne's sentiments on the younger generation of folk , and personally wouldn't like to go to an event that specifically excluded kids , but can understand how others might want to let their hair down and boogie -or whatever the folk equivalent to boogie is .

I'd like to see Butlins putting on a folk weekend that did cater for kids - perhaps with some workshops geared towards musically-inclined children . I thought that one of the big selling-points of Butlins when it was originally set-up was that it gave people with children the chance to get away from some of the responsibilities of parenthood in the knowledge that the kids were being supervised and entertained by friendly redcoats and elves .

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Banjiman
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 09:01 AM

"But should that give you any right or privilege to arrogantly expect every effin folk event to cater only for your personal selfish family arrangements ?"

Something against kids then?????? erbert? Or do you work for Butlin's?

Must have been a pretty sad event with no kids there. Not really in the spirit of "folk" music is it?

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 09:34 AM

"Something against kids then?????? erbert? Or do you work for Butlin's?"

no, not really, *
it's mainly a particularly smug conceited self-righteous type of over-indulgent parent I unfortunately tend have a problem with..
Their kids can't be held to blame for the way they are brought up to behave so selfishly in public.

Btw I'd suggest the good folk who actually enjoyed this weekend event should be the ones to address such asinine snidery as..

"Must have been a pretty sad event with no kids there. Not really in the spirit of "folk" music is it?"





[* work for Butlins ?, well I did spend a summer washing up in one of Butlins larger 'Cabaret Nightspots' when I was a student]

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 06:59 PM

As I said on another thread, one of the things I enjoyed most was the lack of children. Just about every other festival these days is family friendly so I don't see anything wrong with there being one just for adults.

I think that the prices would have been much higher if they'd had to cater for children. There wasn't much for them to do and it was very cold outside.

Before anyone starts on me, I used to take my daughter to every festival that I went to when she was a child.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 07:09 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed the weekend but was disappointed that The Unthanks, Stackridge and Renbourn/McShee didn't show up.

Donovan was great as was Gordon Giltrap, The Strawbs, Kate Rusby. I did wonder why it was called 'The Great British Folk Festival' when there were hardly any Scottish or Irish musicians (those that were there were mostly in Kate Rusby's band) and no Welsh!

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 07:27 PM

I think the organisers' mistake was calling it a festival. Butlins do loads of these events and I don't think any of the others is called a festival. A festival leads people to make assumptions about what would be there. Perhaps they could call it a folk event, or something like that.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Joules
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 07:41 PM

I didn't enjoy this event to any great extent and I would love to know who actually organised it as I don't think they were folkies. The idea was good and I think it could be made in to a brilliant weekend if a folkie did take it in hand. It was lacking in stuff like workshops, celidh dancing, sessions, morris men and having an open mike next to the slot machines aws never really going to work. I also found the big venues to be a little bit impersonal, but I did enjoy the adult only side of it, and before anyone has a go at me I have spent years taking my 3 daughters to festivals and my eldest sings, plays and performs because of that experience ( and because she has a very good voice ) but I don't think that this sort of festival would work for children.
It was also really nice to have a proper bed, toilet and home comforts.
It will be interesting to see next years line up

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Guest - Betsy
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 07:56 PM

I think it was a great effort of the camp - to try to fill it, at this most unpopular time of the Year, but why - oh why - are Folkies reduced to taking 3rd best at all these promotions regarding time of the year .
For Chrisake - put IT on at a time of the year when ALL can attend - and all your performers ,when travel might be SO difficult.
Put it on a different time of year instead of in the middle of Winter -
when performers, punters and EVERYONE can turn up with no bother and in addition, we folkies will out drink any of your other theme weekends.
As for non-turnouts - if the Unthanks were at home - the same as I , my car hasn't moved for the last two weeks - the housing estate in which I live has so much snow and packed ice it is impossible to move the damn thing - impossible.
Butlins , have a look at the Calender - there IS aMarket there .

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 04:28 AM

But isn't the problem that the good-weather-months are already full of Folk Festivals and events every weekend that cater for kids and campers? Therefore, it makes sense to run the Butlins Bash at a time when there's little or no competition, and people wouldn't be camping.

Simples (to anyone who understands running a business, which is what they're doing).

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 05:11 AM

Butlins does a lot of these weekends, always out of peak season. They don't need to do them in the spring/summer/autumn as their resorts are full. It wouldn't make economic sense to them.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 06:07 AM

Well, erbert, your ridiculous typecasting of all children and their parents totally undermines your argument. And if you come on here spoiling for a fight, as you did with your initial comments, don't be surprised when you get one!

However, I wonder if we'd have artists like Kate Rusby and Eliza Carthy - and many others - if they hadn't been brought up in the folk tradition and taken to festivals from an early age.

What would be your attitude if, for example, an upper age limit had been imposed and people over 60, say, had been excluded? I think the outcry would have been rather louder.

I agree with Banjiman's comment. What a sad event - and what a sad precendent to set for folk-loving youngsters, especially when so many people are trying to encourage their participation for the future good of the music. What it says is: "bugger off youngsters - we don't want you in our ageing, elitist little folk world". It's pretty obvious that it wasn't organised by folk-lovers, but just as a moneygrubbing commercial event.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 06:51 AM

Just to clarify my position.

What particularly annoys me is that this type of event spits in the face of those of us who are fighting not only the negative stereotyping of folk music but, more importantly, the negative stereotyping of the mature generation – yet people happily go along with it!

As someone who is rapidly approaching my 62nd year, I work for an organisation that is active in the promotion of the rights, image and integration of older people. I spend much of my time battling against the idea that older people are out of touch, over the hill and objects of derision. We don't want to be sidelined and isolated – we want to be included in the activities that are enjoyed by younger people. Therefore, I will continue to actively oppose events that exclude youngsters and, therefore, also exclude those adults who have children and are not prepared to leave them behind, because they are actively promoting age segregation. It is blatant age discrimination. It is reinforcing age barriers. It is against everything that I, and many other older people, are fighting to banish from our society.

So, if you support this type of event, don't ever complain about ageism or about negative stereotypes of folk music as the domain of 'old gits' portrayed in the press. You have only yourselves to blame!

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 08:24 AM

Agree wholeheartedly, Leveller. The best events are those which are all-inclusive, and where -isms of any kind are discouraged.

However, it's undeniable that there exists a certain kind of parent whose obsession with their own children reaches such a pitch of besottedness that they are incapable of recognising when the behaviour of their children is detracting from other peoples' enjoyment of an event, and who take great exception to this being pointed out to them.

So maybe the answer is to encourage that kind of parent to recognise their childrens' failings and take responsibility for their behaviour? In that way, the objections of adults to child-inclusive events could be forestalled.

I say this from the POV of a 63-year-old parent of two boys (now adults!) who took them with him everywhere he went (and that was to a lot of places and events, of all types) but who always tried to ensure he kept firm control on them when they were wont to behave badly or in an inconsiderate manner (as, indeed, all children do from time to time).

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 08:42 AM

Relax a bit theleveller , you are in danger of letting your job get to you, affecting your personality
in quite negative intolerant antagonistic ways.

Perhaps you need a weekend break ?

It is possible to be a positive ideological activist without becoming an over-defensive obnoxious combative fool,
imagining enemies and hidden agendas where they do not exist.

I am not far off your age, and equally proud of a campaigning lifetime of politicized progressive 'issues' involvement.

Sadly, I have also encountered far too many self regarding complete knobheads
who do more counter-productive harm for our causes than if they were actually working for the 'other side'.

Look at yourself and what you are saying here.

You truly begrudge one specifically Adults Only 'Folk' event
in an entire calender of family friendly Folk Festivals ?

I am personally simply sick of my enjoyment of live Folk music being constantly spoiled
by the disruptive antics of spoiled children, encouraged by selfish inconsiderate middle-class 'creative artsy hippy' type parents.

I don't care how they try to justify and rationalise their anti social attitudes and behaviour
with unconvincing glib 'pop' theories & idealism.

I, for one, refuse to be bullied pigeonholed and denigrated for stating not unreasonable opinions.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 08:55 AM

Don't try to be patronisng, erbert, it's not funny and it's not clever.

The biggest problem with trying to change people's attitudes to issues such as ageism is apathy - until, that is, they find that it is actually being used against them. Like I said before: what would your attitude be if you were excluded from an event because of your age?

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 09:28 AM

I am already excluded from far too many events I'd like to attend because I'm too skint !!!
I don't expect too be invited to many other social functions because of my stubborn refusal to wear a suit and tie.

I really don't anticipate much practical difference to my social life when I retire.
In fact, it might even pick up a bit with the local U3A widows.

"The biggest problem with trying to change people's attitudes to issues such as ageism is apathy"

well no one will ever achieve much positive change in social attitudes
by hectoring and nagging, and presenting one's genuinely valid arguements
in abrasive self-defeating ways that alienate public sympathy.

Also consider how many folk music aficionados and activists are overworked overstressed teachers
and other education and social child service workers.
Please spare a thought for their leisure time relaxation requirements
in you almighty plan to save the world from 'ageism'.


Maybe a lot of active older folk would find your overzealous professional concern on their behalf
somewhat patronising.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Frug
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 09:42 AM

Hmmm....Amazing how the heat on this one has cranked up more than a touch!! However it would be naive to assume that Butlins were in this for their commitment to the folk music tradition or any other philanthropic or indeed artistic motive. Nor do I believe that there is any consideration other than generating money from a resource that would remain un/under-used in out of season months of the year. In economic terms it would appear to be a sensible commercial decision to maximise potential revenue by experimenting with different forms of entertainment. The decision to make it adult only may well stem not from an exclusivity principle but rather cost effectiveness. Perhaps they feel that it is easier/cheaper to police a load of old folkies rather than to cater for younger folk. Given that this was their first attempt it seemed to work at a certain level. For the most part the music was good, the facilities good and the accommodation good. Was it a festival in the generally held sense of the word, probably not. But it was a very cost effective way of seeing some great artists in a series of concerts in a short space of time and in comfortable surroundings. Certainly there is a lot of scope for further development and that has been alluded to in a number of posts above. It would make a lot of sense if those who have strong feelings about changes to the set up articulated them to the organisers but in a constructive way rather than with some of the vitriol that seems to have crept into the analysis. Lets face it a lot of the established folk festivals receive loads of criticism all the time e.g. Cambridge, Broadstairs etc. Its abundantly clear that one size doesn't and won't fit all. Nor should they. In the same way that folk clubs, sessions etc. are constructed in different ways so festivals or mass folk events should be encouraged to have their own focus and personality. All in all I feel that any attempt to facilitate the enjoyment of music is to be encouraged and I worry when such attempts become denigrated because they don't conform to someone view of a formula. Personal tastes and preferences inform our choices. I shudder to think that all festivals throughout the year would be carbon copies of each other.......variety and spice of life etc. As to kids at festivals...that's fine as long as they want to be there and haven't just been dragged along kicking and screaming. My kids were raised on music and concerts and festivals and are both now at the stage where they are starting their musical careers.....not exactly in the folk tradition but they are bloody good at what they do and have learned a lot from listening and attending events. I feel that its unfortunate that some people posting above can't see the positives of a new initiative........there may be scope for influence and evolution but for gods sake give it a chance. I was very sceptical about the weekend initially but it was enjoyable and cost effective and potentially could become better. So lighten up folks, be positive and keep asking yourselves.......

what is a folk festival?

Frank

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 09:44 AM

Well it certainly isn't a Folk Festival at Butlins. More like a weekend Concert

100

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Frug
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 09:54 AM

And on what do you base that statement Arthuritis

Frank

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Chordcrasher
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 09:56 AM

It was certainly in the could do better catagory but any music this time of year is a bonus. There needs to be more joiny in bits. The open mic thing was just lame run by the twat that made a complete bollocks of the band Pie that filled in for the Unthanks. The Oysterband saved the weekend for me they were as usual just excellent. Sandy Thom who knew she was a great blues player if you had never seen her?

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:06 AM

So why no kids? Are we talking car keys in the goldfish bowl? A swingers weekend cunningly disguised as a folk event? Adult-only fun, eh? Well, I guess there were a lot of 70s throwbacks on the bill...

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:12 AM

Because, as I understand it,the only thing people got was Concerts.

A folk Festival is not just Concerts. There are lots more things involved, such as Morris Dancing, Ceilidhs, Educational things for children and more, Workshops, Stalls and above all Singarounds and Sessions etc etc. And don't forget the real ale.

If it was a Folk Festival it would be something like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PUif4un3Vg

When you have had time to watch all of it (and I mean all), come back on here and we can discuss further.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:40 AM

oops, silly culturally inexperienced Corporate Leisure & Entertainments Butlins marketing team,
using the word 'Festival'
in a way incompatible with the severe dictates of Mudcat Folk Legislature..


"Folk Concert Weekend" sounds plenty good enough to me if I can afford the good value for money entrance ticket
for next Year.

Though in the real world where the word 'Festival' is now just another 'letraset' marketing adjective to dress up
any large commercial leisure event.. can they not be forgiven such a careless crass misdemenor ?

..and as for the enticing notion of steamy all-in open singaround sessions
in the spa and sauna !!!???

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Pulseroom
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:48 AM

Is this saga still going on? Be careful! If Harry Hill gets involved there could be a ******FIGHT******.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:52 AM

It hasn't even started Pulseroom. :-)

We haven't discussed what Folk Music is yet LOL

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:58 AM

"******FIGHT******"


yeah.. Butlins Holiday Campers versus posh Folk Fest snobs;

cartoon Class War combatants battling it out on the village greens of rural 2nd Homes Albionshire..

must dig out some old CRASS LPs.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 12:13 PM

Cor! I didn't know you had to be posh to go to a folk festival. You learn something new every day.

And never mind Crass. Gimme The Mob and The Astronauts anyday - anarchy always sounds better with tunes you can whistle...

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 12:54 PM

Now there's an idea; wondering if Butlins are ever considering staging a...

"Big Weekend Anarchy Nostalgia Music Festival" !!!???

must be a fair few grey haired crustie trustifarian's up for a weekends all-in catered entertainment,
pockets bulging with a few spare quid to splash out on CDs and Teeshirts...

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Banjiman
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 01:31 PM

"Big Weekend Anarchy Nostalgia Music Festival" !!!???

must be a fair few grey haired crustie trustifarian's up for a weekends all-in catered entertainment,
pockets bulging with a few spare quid to splash out on CDs and Teeshirts... "

Yeah, but can I bring my kids?




"Butlins Holiday Campers versus posh Folk Fest snobs;"

That's a bit cheap even for you isn't it 'erbert?


"I am personally simply sick of my enjoyment of live Folk music being constantly spoiled by the disruptive antics of spoiled children, encouraged by selfish inconsiderate middle-class 'creative artsy hippy' type parents."

So which is it you really hate- children, the middle class, creative people, artsy people, hippies, parents........ or just everyone who isn't exactly like you??

And you dare to lecture theleveller about how to deal with 'isms?

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 01:38 PM

Word up, Banji!

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 02:22 PM

"So which is it you really hate... ??"

hmm.. well.. seeing as you've asked,

smug self-appointed 'culture' bullies;
affluent alternative lifestylers with no clue about real world employment and housing conditions;
intolerant sanctimonious idealogues who are a potential liability for any progressive cause they condescend to 'fight for',
folk expending most of their effort on jostling for personal position and scoring points
in there own self generated & perpetuating public disagreements...

Oh and definitely must not forget your average right-wing pub bores
and any other not particularly bright puffed up self-righteousness egotists and hypocrites:


they all tend to get on my tits a bit.

but hatred ?

not really, that's too much negative effort and far too stressful to maintain long term.

But I don't know if I like you because I don't know you..
so, live and let live ???

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 02:38 PM

sorry, missed out..

antagonistic moralistic people constantly on the look out for things to make a public show of taking offence at;
and those who habitually attack others for things they completely misconstrued or imagined they heard them say..

think I'm done for now, it's dinner time.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 04:30 PM

ROTFLMAO erbert

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Frug
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 06:57 PM

Be interesting to hear a few more comments from people who actually went to the event rather than speculation and presumption. Oh and Arthur thanks for the link......given the support and informed input of aficionados such as yourself maybe the seeds of a new folk experience could lead to the Butlin's gig being elevated to the status of festival.

Carpe Diem !!

Frank

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 01:20 AM

Your welcome Frank :-)

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Harry H
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 02:50 AM

I'm afraid some of you are so keen to debate semantics that you overlook the obvious....

You can't have kids at Butlins without Billy Bear.

The Great British Folk Festival is a winter event.

Bears hibernate in the winter.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: melodeonboy
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 03:17 AM

Have they got woods at Butlin's then? :)

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Banjiman
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 03:27 AM

"You can't have kids at Butlins without Billy Bear.

The Great British Folk Festival is a winter event.

Bears hibernate in the winter."

OK, fair point well made!!!


'erbert, did everything at Butlin's come with chips....... or did you have to share the ones on your shoulders?

I'm confued, on the one hand you're saying live and let live..... on the other you're attacking whole groups of people. Including some that I belong to.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: I don't know
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 04:06 AM

This debate seems to be getting silly, with talks of bears & woods & whether or not kids should be aloud.
It is simple Butlins supply a mixture of ADULT only weekends at times when the camp is not being used to help keep there staff employed & YES TO LINE THERE OWN POCKETS. We all realise that, but for Three nights Bed, Breakfast & evening meal complete with entertainment my husband & I paid £180.00
The accommodation was far better than we expected & the food had a good selection, not just chips.
As I said earlier I agreed with Pulseroom it was phanomenal & as much as I love kids & believe they should be included in events this was lovely, not having to worry about what they were up to or missing an artist because of bedtime or better still no tantrums because they could not do what they wanted.   A peaceful weekend were we could unwind & have adult company & conversations without interruptions from our kids was heaven.
Anyone that was there also had the opportunity to book for next year(we have) at this years prices.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: melodeonboy
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 04:15 AM

"This debate seems to be getting silly"

Oh, goodee! :)

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 04:32 AM

LOL! Look, I'm not begrudging people a pleasurable weekend and I'm pleased that the majority seemed have enjoyed it. If erbert hadn't come in as so aggressively anti-children (ot to mention anti-just about everything else) I'd have left it at that. But........well, you know the rest.

""Big Weekend Anarchy Nostalgia Music Festival" !!!???

Yeah, but can I bring my kids?"

Hey, Paul, I've a suspicion one of mine might be out there making his own anarchy nostalgia.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 04:38 AM

BTW - do you know how much I hate people who start sentences with "look"? Going to have to watch that!!

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 06:10 AM

'erbert DOES have a very good point about SOME children and their parents . Personally I would rather NOT have to entertain badly behaved children - When Mummy and Daddy think it's FUNNY when their litle bastard pulls the microphone stand away from a singer or musician , it's beyond a joke ! I have had that happen more than once .
And the behaviour of SOME Brats in pubs leaves a lot to be desired as well .
I have NO problem with well behaved youngsters , and actively encourage the younger musicians at our session at Sidmouth , so dont take this as a blanket denouncement of children , any more than (I think) 'erberts was a blanket !

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Banjiman
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 06:16 AM

Leadfingers........ the point is that it is SOME children, some adults are a pain in the backside as well!


I'm glad the event went well, just sad that me and mine were excluded.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 07:03 AM

"some adults are a pain in the backside as well!"

As is demonstrated every year at Cambridge - and one of the reasons we've stopped going.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 09:48 AM

Some grown ups spend way too much time in the company of children.
I know a middle aged nursery school teacher who acts up like a spoiled 3 year old
whenever she can't get her own way.

Likewise, some grown ups here seem to be behaving like playground bullies picking on the new kid.

"miss, miss, missss.. it's not my fault, he started it"

"now come along little theleveller, teacher saw everything from the classroom window, thats not really what happened,
is it ?
.. and Banjiman just because you saw theleveller pick on erbert, you shouldn't have joined in and ganged up on him as well.
Sit down quietly Spleen Cringe, stop sniggering while I'm talking.
I don't know, what am going to do with you all ? I'm going to have to write letters to your mums and Dads..."


Come on theleveller you seem to have gone a bit potty on this thread.
Your extremist ideological stance on this issue you have created re: Adults only weekends at Butlins
is just exposing you for ridicule.
You really should read back to see where any hostility eminated from.
Likewise any selective misinterpretation of what I actually wrote and meant.

If you do decide to mount a lone vigil outside Bulins next winter,
defiantly holding a placard in protest on your solitary picket line.
Don't feel too proud if some of the good generous hearted folk here
bring you out the occasional steaming hot mug of Butlins tea or coffee.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: I don't know
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 10:19 AM

Don't you mean a pint of that nice REAL ALE they were serving. Few expected that.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Banjiman
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 10:33 AM

"If you do decide to mount a lone vigil outside Bulins next winter,"

He'll not be alone....... solidarity comrade, solidarity!

We'll probably bring the kids as well, get them to play their fiddles to the chosen few who ARE allowed into Butlin's hallowed halls as they pass us all on the roadside.

Afterwards, we'll write folk songs about our struggle for equality for the excluded, younger members of our society..... and bask in the rosy glow of radical, direct action - remembered.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 10:55 AM

brilliant, looking forward to the CD.

..not enough good new songs of militant resistance and defiance!!!

However, maybe just a little clear perspective is due on on all this nonsense.

It is after all only just one solitary 'Adult Only' event in an entire calendar
of nationwide family friendly "Folk" 'Festivals'.

Millions of deserving citizens of all ages get economically 'excluded' every single day
from all kinds of activities they aspire to but can never afford.

Why not qracefully count your blessings, and stop being so begrudging about one single event
you feel personaly irked by.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: theleveller
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 11:14 AM

My perspective is perfectly clear, thanks, erbert. Your approbation or otherwise makes not a jot of difference to me.

Hey, Paul, the kids could busk outside - we'd make a fortune, especially if we dressed them in rags with no shoes. Probably be even more profitable than sending them up chimneys like this year.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 11:15 AM

Quote
If you do decide to mount a lone vigil outside Bulins next winter,
defiantly holding a placard in protest on your solitary picket line.
End of quote

Maybe Jim Causley will lend you his new placard :-)

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=508777539

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 11:17 AM

Ooops that's not going to be very good idea if you bring the kids along. :-)

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 11:35 AM

"one two three four...

Didn't we have a miserable time the day we picketed Butlins
A Cold Winter's day, we had greasy chips on the way
and all for sake of
Dad's bloody-minded ideological point of principle you know.."


etc etc ....

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Banjiman
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 11:39 AM

Arthur itus..... you have a sick mind my friend!

"Hey, Paul, the kids could busk outside - we'd make a fortune, especially if we dressed them in rags with no shoes. Probably be even more profitable than sending them up chimneys like this year."

Oh no, we couldn't do that with our pampered little darlings (Tarquin & Tara), they'll be too busy breaking into Butlins..... to run about, shout & scream- especially during the quieter songs..... and we'll laugh especially hard as they interfere with the mic's and other sound gear.

I mean, as they've never been to any gigs, festivals or folk clubs before they just won't know how to behave.... and we wouldn't dream of interfering with them expressing themselves. It might stunt their arty, creative development..... us being middle class, hippy parents and all. (actually the last bit might be true, sorry 'erbert).

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 12:01 PM

Yep aplologies there Banjiman. Unfortunately, we don't have edit or delete buttons on Mudcat.

The post was in response to erbert's post to leveller. It's not my placard, but Jim seems to be proud of it.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 12:11 PM

Hi Arthur_itus ..

wish I could see the Placard but I'm excluded from 'facebook' !!!???

any other links ? cheers.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Banjiman
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 12:11 PM

"Yep aplologies there Banjiman. Unfortunately, we don't have edit or delete buttons on Mudcat."

Don't worry, I got your drift...... I completely accept that you didn't mean anything untoward.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,Banjiman
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 12:13 PM

.... in any other context except kids being involved, it's a very funny placard.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 12:43 PM

Just thought it might keep erberts hands warm.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 12:57 PM

erbert, I not sure where it originated from, so can't really help. Maybe somebody else can capture it and put it up on Flickr or something like that.

Subject: RE: Folk Festival at Butlins Fri-3-Mon-6 Dec 2010 (UK)
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 01:02 PM

thanks Arthur_itus,
but no need for anyone to go to any special effort for me.
If I miss out on this little bit of a weekend laugh,

well tough, I can't complain if i'm too stuborn to join any social network sites.

cheers..