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Subject: BS: Bill 'n Hill still on track. From: akenaton Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:46 PM The Cuckoo, or should I say the Hawk in the nest of Mr Obama's administration, Hillary Clinton, appears to be positioning herself for a run at the US presidency. As I forecast over two years ago, Mr Obama is about to find out, that inviting the Clintons into his team was one great big mistake. Mr Obama's political capital has been all but expended on the failing economy and politically poisonous domestic problems, while in the State Dept Mrs Clinton walks on water....never putting a foot wrong on foreign affairs and remaining insulated from the Medicare arguments, unemployment,Afghan War ect. "Last week, the bad news for Mr Obama came in bushels, as a new poll showed plummeting support for his War policy....36% from 48% in Feb....While his approval ratings in other polls flirted with record lows" "Analysts argue that the vice-president issue is a red herring, and that the next election will be a referendum on Obama, whoever his running mate is. Nor do many Democrats believe Obama wishes to be remembered as the president who merely interrupted the Clintons' grasp on power.While Clinton and Obama are said to be on good terms, and Mrs Clinton has unfailingly dismissed all talk of any challenge to her boss, they remain unlikely running mates in 2012. Obama would become a lame duck for the next four years,as America prepared for her firsy female president in 2016....when Mrs Clinton will be 68. Yet Hillary has publicly acknowledged that she cannot see herself remaining as secretary of state for two full Obama terms." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill n From: akenaton Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:53 PM Could someone please fix the thread title. Should read....."Bill 'n Hill still on track." Thanks.... Ake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill n From: Ebbie Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:55 PM Would you like to share from where you got this piece? And may I remind you that you have not yet been right even ONE time? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill n From: akenaton Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:06 PM Sorry Ebbs.....It's from today's Sunday Times, I can't link to the article as I've mislaid my password to the Times website. Things have worked out pretty much as I said they would with the Obama administration,his supporters are deserting him in droves! Mind, I think Obama would be slightly better than another eight years of the Clinton Dynasty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Bill D Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:26 PM These stories get started by some pundit 'wondering' if Hillary 'might' run, if Obama seems shaky, then several OTHER pundits chime in, saying "It is being asked whether....", and soon there are 20 sources, all quoting each other or "unnamed sources". So far, I have seen NO credible answers from anyone who is likely to really have any evidence that such a thing is possible. Somtimes this is merely a 'trial balloon' be interested parties to see what the response is to planting the story. *I* happen to think that if she actually challenged Obama, the negative publicity would be a disaster.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:40 PM Would that be the British Sunday Times or the New York Sunday Times ? Never mind. No importa. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Bobert Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:43 PM And, for the record, Hillary Clinton is pregnant and Obama is the father... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Aug 10 - 08:37 PM You heard it from Bobert- it must be true. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Ebbie Date: 08 Aug 10 - 08:44 PM Right. That's what I heard too. I think the story came from Akenaton. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Bill D Date: 08 Aug 10 - 10:30 PM They were BOTH abducted by aliens and their minds replaced by clones of Bertrand Russell and Marjorie Main. You heard it here first...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Ebbie Date: 08 Aug 10 - 10:50 PM Now there is a match made in heaven. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Bill D Date: 08 Aug 10 - 10:57 PM No stranger than some of the other things attributed to Heaven.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Ebbie Date: 08 Aug 10 - 11:34 PM Oh, ho, ho |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Aug 10 - 12:17 AM She doesn't have to challenge Obama, Bill. That wouldn't be the right approach at all. She merely has to be there when the circumstances move in such a way that Obama can't...or won't...run for office again. Such things have happened before. Presidential incumbents do not always elect to run for a second term. I also have the impression that the public mind is being prepared, via the mass media, for Hillary Clinton to heroically step up to the plate and (like all her predecessors) "save the nation"...ho! ho! How droll. As if...! Note: I merely said I have that "impression". No, I do not have any specific evidence to offer you in support of it nor would I dream of spending my time looking up any either...because it wouldn't make any difference anyway if I did...no one would change their mind...and it doesn't matter what you or I or Ebbie or Ake think about it in the first place. What will happen will happen regardless of what we think. Our opinions don't mean squat to the future of the US presidency. We all just like to talk, that's all...and that's why we type all this stuff here. ;-) Talking is a way of unburdening and expressing oneself, therefore is its own justification. That is why we all come here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Ebbie Date: 09 Aug 10 - 02:31 AM "I also have the impression that the public mind is being prepared, via the mass media, for Hillary Clinton to heroically step up to the plate and (like all her predecessors) "save the nation"...ho! ho! How droll. As if...! "Note: I merely said I have that "impression". No, I do not have any specific evidence to offer you in support of it nor would I dream of spending my time looking up any either...because it wouldn't make any difference anyway if I did...no one would change their mind...and it doesn't matter what you or I or Ebbie or Ake think about it in the first place. What will happen will happen regardless of what we think. Our opinions don't mean squat to the future of the US presidency." Little Hawk. Little Hawk. May I ask when you will start differentiating between an "opinion" and a "gut feeling"? Do not tell me you have an opinion that the media are preparing us to have Secretary Clinton "step up the plate". You have no such opinion. And may I say that you have no such evidence at all. You, if I may be so bold, only have a niggling feeling. Which,. for either you or ake, means squat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Aug 10 - 02:46 AM Bill 'n HillClinton still on track GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Ebbie Date: 09 Aug 10 - 02:50 AM Guest, in my opinion (and this is a valid one) I think your connecting to that tragedy is beyond tasteless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: akenaton Date: 09 Aug 10 - 04:09 AM I always find it interesting as to what really motivates polititians. Little Hawk is again the most insightful, there would not require to be any direct challenge.....just the creation of the right conditions. The Clintons are without doubt still ambitious for power, like the Kennedys, they are steeped in political chicanery. The glittering prize for Hillary the "Hawk" is her place in history as the first woman president. If a political "idiot" like me could work out the chain of events from Obama's election till now, don't you think that "Team Clinton" and ther advisors would be able to reach the same conclusions? Besides, if Sarah does decide to run, it will take another woman to come anywhere close......sniff the wind folks! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Aug 10 - 04:24 AM Ebbster: "Guest, in my opinion (and this is a valid one) I think your connecting to that tragedy is beyond tasteless." Again, you shot yourself in the foot!...That was done, in front of a crowd, on purpose,..I guess for 'entertainment'. Watch it again....then give yourself a break, listen to some dulcimer CD, and bake whole wheat muffins! So much for..".....in my opinion (and this is a valid one)..." GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: akenaton Date: 09 Aug 10 - 04:27 AM Sorry, had to link the Times story through an American website??? link |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: akenaton Date: 09 Aug 10 - 04:32 AM Damn!! still doesn't work! Maybe some UK member who is registered on the Times website could link the article? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Bobert Date: 09 Aug 10 - 07:56 AM Actually, I have to agree with LH on this one... I remedmber back during the primaries that the Repubs here, rather than say they hated Obama, adopted this "I'm a Hillary Democrat"... Yeah, there was aalot of that going around... Of course these people weren't for Hillary any mofre than they were for Obama... I reality, it could have been Jesus Christ running for president and these Repubs would have been sayin' the same thing about being Hillary supporters... So, yeah, a BIGASS PR LIE has settled in and, yeah, Hillary is just trying to look as qualified a Secretary of State as she can as a longish audition for the presidency and, hey, I'd have to give her high marks... Now, if she were to run against Obama all those "warm and fuzzies" that people have, or say they have, for Hillary would go down the drain so she is being a good little prisoner... I'd think she's saty into a 2nd Obama term (should there be one) for a couple of year... That would give her 6 years in the public eye and if she is healthy and Bill is healthy (which is part of the deal here) then I think she would give it a run with ***Obama's blessings***... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Ebbie Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:00 AM In my opinion - sorry, Guest - Secretary Clinton is giving her current job her all. Have you seen how exhausted she sometimes looks? She must be experiencing continual jet lag,for one. I don't doubt but that she is politically ambitious- for a politician, there is nothing whatever wrong about that. She is good at it, she is bright, she wants to go down in history as being the best. Again, there is nothing wrong about that, and if she were a man, it would not even be an issue. Would she take the job away from Obama if she could? Again, I have no doubt whatever that if something happened to him she would try very hard to get the job. If Obama has no chance of getting the nomination from his own party for a second term (It has happened to other presidents), would she present herself as a viable candidate? I have no doubt but that she would. Again, there is nothing wrong with that. In the meantime I think she is doing everything she can to be the best Secretary of State this country has ever had. But for believing that the "mass media" is preparing us for a Hillary Clinton takeover (at the behest of the Illuminati, no doubt) - dammit, the woman is good at what she is doing as Secretary - why isn't that enough? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Bill D Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:03 AM I got... lemme count.... 27¢ here that says Hillary doesn't run and will not be president.....I might come up with another dime to bet that Obama will get a 2nd term, and she will remain Sec. of State. Is it possible? It's politics in America.... (Hey...what the Democrats really want is a Sarah Palin/Sharron Angle ticket!...with Michelle Bachmann as campaign manager!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: akenaton Date: 09 Aug 10 - 11:34 AM Don't knock Sarah Bill, the Dems seem to have enough problems without you raising her ire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Bill D Date: 09 Aug 10 - 12:13 PM Her ire? *grin* I'd love to raise her consciousness, but I think she had it frozen off while moose hunting. I think if her ire is raised enough, she'll toss off some REALLY stupid remarks and help the Dems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: akenaton Date: 09 Aug 10 - 12:28 PM To late im afraid, the Dems are settling in for a destructive power struggle, while Sarahs base is rock solid.....she's not a politician, but knows that she has to keep her base united...the cardinal rule....most women are good at that, Sarah is an expert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Aug 10 - 12:36 PM Fine, Ebbie. ;-) I'm not in the least troubled by you calling what I have "a gut feeling". Yup, that's exactly what it is. And like you said, it doesn't mean squat...and here is the hilarious counterpoint to that: neither does anything anyone else here have to say here mean squat!!!! ;-D But let's all enjoying sounding off, eh? I mean, hey, it gives us that momentary sense of satisfaction and righteous assertion, right? You don't need any "illuminati" behind what's happening. All you need is a great power intent on securing and enlarging its supposed place in the world. The USA, since 1945, has occupied the heady position of #1 power in the world, a position the British Empire held from 1815 until the onset of WWII. Like the British once did, the USA now dominates events in the world through having the largest navy, the most extensive overseas military bases, the deadliest weapons, etc... When a country is in that position, it's playing the big imperial game, that's all. And the game requires a lot of military expenditure, some nasty little wars here and there (where the wretched peasants resist) and a constant flow of subtle and not-so-subtle propaganda to convince the great power's public that its octopus-like grip on the world and its violent policies are driven by idealism, altruism, a love of liberty, the rights of man...bla, bla, bla, etc... When in fact they are driven by nothing but sheer pragmatism. Electing a president is a huge mass media selling operation. It must be done in a way to restore public confidence when the public is feeling troubled. In times of uncertainty and economic woe, there must be a presidential candidate brought forward who promises "real change" and who seems like he (or she) will genuinely change things. Obama was that candidate to the epitome, and his campaign was brilliantly orchestrated to arouse the highest hopes in people. I was very impressed...though not entirely convinced. I liked the man but I wasn't so sure I liked his policy positions, specially in regard to Afghanistan. Whatever. He seemed slightly right of center to me when it came to actual policy. Standard fare, in other words, despite the vague outer appearances of radical progressiveness. Anyway, the huge pragmatic geopolitical interests that stand behind electing Obama...or anyone else to the presidency...do not care about you or me or the rights of man. They care about playing the great imperial game and winning. Period. I think they will usher in Hillary after Obama and engender massive enthusiasm for "the first female president" and that sense of "change" will excite people once again...and everyone's hopes will again be raised very high. And the Great Game will continue. And Third World people will get blown up real good. Hillary may indeed be very capable. I think she is. And I think she works very hard, yes. And she's smart and tough. I have no personal objections to Hillary. (shrug) She isn't the problem. The problem is the great imperial order that will place her in the White House and will keep doing the same damn stuff it has always done, regardless of Hillary Clinton. And she'll work with them, naturally...one: because she has to...two: because she would anyway. And if for some reason Hillary doesn't prove electable...well, they'll put someone else in the White House, whoever is most marketable at the time, but they will still call the shots. And who is "they"? Well, nothing all that mysterious. It's simply the major corporate, banking, and military/defence interests who have been the premier power in the world since 1945 and who wish to continue holding (and enlarging) their position. You don't need "illuminati" for that. You just need naked self-interest on the part of the most powerful 1% of the population, same as you did 500 or 1,000 years ago, long before the USA existed. It's sheer momentum. You cannot stop a billion-ton "ship of state" from remorselessly plowing on along the path it has long been set upon. Will the people at the top infight among themselves? Sure! They always have. Some will win and some will lose. But the Great Game will go on. One day I think that China will become the number 1 Great Game player and the USA will lose top spot. But how soon that happens, I couldn't say. They won't be any nicer than the present lot of imperialists are. They might be worse. Hard to say. ********* Gosh! I enjoyed typing all that. It gave my mind something to chew on and filled up a little piece of my empty day. And you know what? It doesn't mean squat to the future of humanity. Just a bunch of bla-bla. But it was fun. And now it's YOUR turn to do the same..... ;-) Enjoy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: akenaton Date: 09 Aug 10 - 01:07 PM Yes Hawk, it really is that simple, yet intelligent people have fallen for the politicians pitch....they create hate figures just as most here have done with Mrs Palin, when the only things worth hating in political terms are corporate global capitalism and its crude use of power and deception. Mrs Palins positive values are hidden under a veil of abuse...every excuse to use her lack of education to diminish her as a person. They do notr seem to realise that she, or someone very like her could be their only chance to break the mould that you have illustrated in your post above. Mrs Palin believes in her values....and as far as I can see truly believes...maybe that's naivety on her part, but through someone like her power can be wrenched away from corporate America ...and corporate Britain....and returned to those from which it springs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Aug 10 - 04:35 PM Well, I don't think Sarah Palin or any other single person like her can wrench that power away, Ake. I really don't. I believe that anyone who genuinely tried to do that and had the ghost of a chance of succeeding...would not be allowed to continue. They would either be destroyed professionally (by the power of the mass media and their colleagues in government) or disposed of in a more covert and violent fashion. I think Sarah Palin, if elected, would either cooperate willingly with the system as it is or be destroyed by it. There are only 2 things that can bring down the "ship of state" that is a great imperial power. 1. a major and decisive defeat in a major war with another great power (as happened to both Germany and Japan in the '40s). 2. a revolution In the case of example 2, the revolution, that will not occur until the general mass of the ordinary people become so desperate under bad economic conditions and their masters become so confused, impotent, weak, and incompetent that things fall apart and the public takes up arms and sweeps away the ruling system. That happened in the case of the French and Russian revolutions. I don't see that happening at this time in North America. Things aren't nearly that bad yet for the general public. They're bad...but they're not that bad. Hate figures, by the way, are a standard political tactic used to polarize people and get them onside to back some aggressive agenda or oppose some other agenda. In recent times we have seen those hate figure tactics used against Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, George Bush, John McCain, Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, Iran's Ahmadinejad, Saddam Hussein, and a variety of other famous people. Single, complex individuals are thus turned into one-dimensional demonic figures of evil in many people's minds...not because they are one-dimensional demonic figures of evil...but merely because it's very handy for someone's political purposes to use ONE SINGLE person as a focal point for all the inarticulate frustration, fear, and rage that's out there. I'd call it "Dick and Jane" level politics. It's damn silly, but it's the standard propaganda technique used to harness the political anger in people. Find a reconizable "face" for them to attach it all to. Osama Bin Laden was another such recognizable face. That's the primary purpose Mrs. Palin serves at the present time on this particular forum. She's just the most convenient symbol of what most people here hate and despise....thus she is very handy indeed, specially for jokes, and she would be missed sorely if she decided to retire from public life. George Bush used to serve the same purpose Sarah now serves on this forum spectacularly well, but he's obsolete now, so someone had to step in and assume the role. And who best serves that role for the Republicans? (Aside from Al Gore, I mean...heh!) Barack Obama is their number 1 choice for "beast of the hour". ;-) Same tactic, different agenda. When he's not in power anymore, they'll find another such bogeyman to bellyache about all the livelong day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: MarkS Date: 09 Aug 10 - 04:57 PM Don't sell Sarah Palin short. As the parties approach the time to select the next nominee, she will have had several years of coaching, reading, study, and time to reflect on what went wrong last time. I have a vision of the NEXT Palin/Couric interview. I suspect Palin will be much better prepared, and have memorized all the buzz phrases which will wipe the floor wiith Couric and endear her to the wider Republican base. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Ebbie Date: 09 Aug 10 - 04:58 PM I suppose that only a "great ship of state" has this power? It must be satisfying to have these black and white ideas of government. I advise you NOT to go into politics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: mousethief Date: 09 Aug 10 - 05:32 PM Her ire? *grin* I'd love to raise her consciousness, but I think she had it frozen off while moose hunting. Let alone her conscience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: akenaton Date: 09 Aug 10 - 05:53 PM Ebbie, you present Mrs Clinton as a woman of principle, but I have seen nothing which would suggest that. In the race for the Democratic nomination, the Clintons' loathing of her opponent was palpable. I am quite sure she feels that he is in her rightful place, hence the cuckoo analogy in my opening post. At the moment Mrs Clinton does not have to do anything, but sit back and watch the shit hit the fan, but come election time if things continue to deteriorate domestically, Team Clinton will be in a perfect position to assist Mr Obama's demise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Aug 10 - 05:55 PM I would not go into politics, Ebbie, if it were the last job on Earth, and I feel some sympathy (or perhaps empathy) for the brave souls who do. (Bankers, by the way, worry me more than politicians do.) Yes, only a well-armed empire has that sort of power. You have to have huge material, military, and financial resources to hold power like that, and you also have to be pretty well organized...or someone better organized than you will soon bring you crashing down. Most of these wars right now are, in my opinion, about oil, natural gas, and nuclear power...energy sources, in other words. Those energy sources are what fuel the vital machinery of both civil life and war. To call it a War on Terror is absurd. War itself is the primary instrument of terror. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Ebbie Date: 09 Aug 10 - 08:29 PM As they say, you cannot make war on a metaphor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:02 PM Nope. ;-) But you can pretend to be doing so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Bobert Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:20 PM Yeah, being a politican would be like being in helll. I have been approached several times over the years to run for this or that and I've never given it a second thought... My business partner on the hotel project that I've been involved with ended up being elected to town council back in Leesburg, Va. and toward tghe end of her term she had a calendar, much like in an inmate serfving time, markin' off the days until it was all over... Nope, not fir me... So I do have a lot of respect for them... Even the knothead Repubs... They all gotta do what they gotta do and what they gotta do, ahhhhh, sucks... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: mousethief Date: 10 Aug 10 - 02:28 PM I was on the church council once and felt the same way as your friend. I felt I couldn't decently not stand for reelection but was relieved when I was replaced. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Aug 10 - 04:07 PM It's like putting yourself in the target's bullseye on the local firing range. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: akenaton Date: 10 Aug 10 - 05:21 PM If only!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: akenaton Date: 10 Aug 10 - 06:01 PM That remark was aimed at politicians....not little Hawk! :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Ebbie Date: 10 Aug 10 - 06:21 PM There is nothing wrong, per se, with being a politician. Whatever goes wrong later, I do believe that most of them go into that field with the idea of helping make things better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Aug 10 - 06:32 PM Yes. I think that many of them start with quite high ideals, and I've said that before. They want to improve things. It's the system they find themselves IN that is the problem. Everything in that system conspires against the idealist, in my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bill 'n Hill (Clinton) still on track From: akenaton Date: 10 Aug 10 - 06:49 PM Yes Hawk....but surely they all know what the system is...and does. They are complicit in concealing the real nature of the system from people like 90% of the mudcat membership. Any politician who tries to blow the whistle is immediately ostracised and marginalised (Mr George Galloway a typical example) Although seemingly at war, the political parties will unite and attack anyone who questions the system. Criminals all!! |
