BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman

Subject: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 03:54 PM

How much longer can the US justify supporting the Hamas terror against peaceful civilians?







"Hamas claims responsibility for attack on Israelis
         
JERUSALEM – The Islamic militant Hamas is claiming responsibility for a shooting attack that killed four Israelis in the West Bank.

Hamas military wing spokesman Abu Obeida told The Associated Press late Tuesday that Hamas carried out the attack near the West Bank city of Hebron.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

JERUSALEM (AP) — A Palestinian gunman opened fire Tuesday on an Israeli vehicle in the West Bank and killed four passengers on the eve of a new round of Mideast peace talks in Washington. The Islamic militant Hamas praised the shooting.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility. But in the past, militant groups have staged attacks in an effort to sabotage peace efforts.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the gunman opened fire at a vehicle traveling near Hebron — a volatile city that has been a flash point of violence in the past. Some 500 ultranationalist Jewish settlers live in heavily fortified enclaves in the city amid more than 100,000 Palestinians.

Israel's national rescue service said the victims were two men and two women. It gave no further details. Israeli media reported that one of the women was pregnant and that the dead ranged in age from mid-20s to mid-40s. The reports said everyone in the car was killed.

The attack occurred as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was en route to Washington for a White House summit launching peace talks on Wednesday. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas was already in the U.S. capital meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

President Barack Obama hopes to forge a peace agreement within one year.

Asked about the shooting, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said the U.S. is aware "there are those who will do whatever they can to disrupt or derail the process."

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak promised a tough response to an attack he said was aimed at sabotaging the talks.

"Israel will not allow terrorists to raise their heads and will exact a price from the murderers and those who send them," he said in a statement.

There is widespread opposition to the resumption of the peace talks among Palestinians. Hamas, which rules Gaza, opposes any contact with Israel and has harshly criticized Abbas for agreeing to resume the negotiations.

Hamas is considered a terrorist group by the U.S., Israel and European Union and is the main rival of Abbas and his Fatah movement. Hamas expelled Fatah forces from Gaza in its violent takeover in 2007.

In a statement, Gaza Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said the group "praises the Hebron operation." He did not claim responsibility or mention the peace talks.

Netanyahu, leader of a hard-line coalition of religious and nationalist parties, has said that protecting Israel's security interests will be his top priority as he negotiates with the Palestinians.

Before leaving for Washington, Netanyahu told his Likud Party that he would seek "real arrangements on the ground" that ensure the security of Israelis.

"True peace is not a short break between wars, it's not a short break between terror attacks. True peace is something that persists dozens of years, that stands well for generations," he said.

Education Minister Gideon Saar, a member of Netanyahu's Likud Party, denounced the shooting. "This is not the first time, especially with peace talks in the background, that the automatic Palestinian reaction is terror attacks against Israelis," he told Israel's Channel 10 TV.

The attack disrupted a relative lull in the West Bank. The last fatal attack occurred in June, when Palestinians opened fire on a police vehicle near Hebron and killed one officer.

It was the deadliest Palestinian attack against Israelis since March 2008, when a lone assailant gunned down eight students in a Jerusalem rabbinical seminary.

Opposition to resuming talks is also coming from within the Palestine Liberation Organization, an umbrella group headed by Abbas. Some Fatah activists threaten to try to depose him if he makes concessions, and several hard-line PLO groups plan a demonstration in the West Bank administrative capital of Ramallah on Wednesday to protest resumption of negotiations.

A previous U.S. launching of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was also accompanied by deadly violence. Palestinian gunmen shot and killed an Israeli in the West Bank before then-President George W. Bush convened Israeli and Palestinian leaders for a summit in Annapolis, Maryland, in November 2007. The gunmen said the attack was "an act of protest against the Annapolis conference."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100831/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_talks

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: Paul Burke
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 04:25 PM

Want to swap atrocities?

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 04:26 PM

"A rally in Gaza to celebrate the attack drew about 3,000 people. At the gathering, Hamas military wing spokesman Abu Obeida told The Associated Press: "The Qassam Brigades announces its full responsibility for the heroic operation in Hebron.""

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 04:39 PM

Hebron is a sore point with its fortified illegal Jewish enclave. Unfortunate, but Jewish colonists have been attacking Palestinians for several years and vice versa.

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: bubblyrat
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 04:42 PM

It just goes to show how utterly opposed the Palestinians are to any kind of peaceful settlement to the never-ending Arab / Israeli conflict.Still, never mind .....Armageddon is drawing ever closer.

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: mousethief
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 04:45 PM

The US supports Hamas? You mean compared to the (roughly) $2+ billion it pours into the Israeli government every year?

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:10 PM

With all due respect, BB, surely the key question is whether the Israeli settlers in or near Hebron are indeed innocent settlers, or enemy occupiers.

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:20 PM

With all due respect, Richard, surely the key question is whether the Palestinian settlers in or near Hebron are indeed innocent settlers, or enemy occupiers. After all, those Palestinians ** I ** know were driven from their homes in Ramallah in 1948- because they were Christian ( Lebenese Orthodox).

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 06:32 PM

With all do respect, why does anyone bother to respond to Beardie's consistently skewed & bigoted bullshit?

A deep-seated masochism?

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 07:30 PM

This was an atrocity. So was the one that Paul Burke linked to, and which bruce ignored.

The response to this latest atrocity will no doubt be a further atrocity in reprisal. That's how the war is kept going.

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 07:37 PM

Old saying: "It all depends on whose ox is being gored."

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:43 AM

There are some distinctions between this crime and Paul's.
That one was 5 years ago.
It was one individual soldier who went beyond his orders.
Children have been used as suicide bombers before.
Those who persuaded the girl to enter the security zone must share in the blame.

This crime was timed to disrupt peace talks.
It was a planned Hamas operation.
Far from putting the killers on trial, they are hailed as heroes and Hamas invites its people to celebrate the murders in the street.

Otherwise, very similar.

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 08:17 AM

The important thing is not to justify atrocities, it is to recognise why they occur.

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: Ringer
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 09:18 AM

"to recognise why they occur?"

I don't agree, McGrath. To recognise why they occur is, surely, half-way to justifying them (or at least faux-justifying them). Surely the important thing is to condemn them.

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 12:20 PM

Re: Hebron and Jewish "settlers"

"In 1835, Mr Fisk, an American missionary, visited Hebron. He estimated that there about 400 Arab and 120 Jewish families; the Jewish population having significantly dropped since the 1834 rebellion.[81]

In 1838, Hebron had an estimated 1,500 taxable Muslim households, in addition to some 240 Jews, 41 of whom were tax-payers. 200 Jews and one Christian household were under 'European protections'. The total population was estimated at 10,000.[82] At the time the population of Hebron was given according to the number of taxpayers, i.e., male heads of households who owned even a very small shop or piece of land.

On July 25 1834 Ibrahim Pasha's Arab[83] army attacked the Jews of Hebron. [84][85]

When the Government of Ibrahim Pasha fell in 1841, the local clan-head Abd ar-Rahman Amr once again resumed the reins of power as the Sheik of Hebron. Due to his extortionate demands for cash from the local population, most of the Jewish population fled to Jerusalem.[60] In 1846 the Ottoman Governor-in-chief of Jerusalem (serasker), Kýbrýslý Mehmed Emin Pasha, waged a campaign to subdue rebellious sheiks in the Hebron area, and while doing so, allowed his troops to sack the town. Though it was widely rumoured that he secretly protected Abd ar-Rahman,[86] the latter was deported together with other local leaders (such as Muslih al-'Azza of Bayt Jibrin), but he managed to return to the area in 1848.[87] By 1850, Hebron had grown to the point where it was considered a large village or small town.[60] The Jewish population consisted of 60 Sephardi families and a 30-year old Ashkenazi community of 50 families.[60]

In 1855, the newly appointed Ottoman pasha ("governor") of the sanjak ("district") of Jerusalem, Kamil Pasha, attempted to subdue the rebellion in the Hebron region. Kamil and his army marched towards Hebron in July 1855, with representatives from the English, French and other Western consulates as witnesses. After crushing all opposition, Kamil appointed Salama Amr, the brother and strong rival of Abd al Rachman, as nazir of the Hebron region. After this relative quiet reigned in the town for the next 4 years.[88][89] Hungarian Jews of the Karlin Hasidic court settled in another part of the city in 1866.[90] Arab-Jewish relations were good, and Alter Rivlin, who spoke Arabic and Syrian-Aramaic, was appointed Jewish representative to the city council.[90] From 1874 the Hebron district as part of the Sanjak of Jerusalem was administered directly from Istanbul.[91]

Late in the 19th century the production of Hebron glass declined due to competition from imported European glass-ware, however, the products of Hebron continued to be sold, particularly among the poorer populace and travelling Jewish traders from the city.[92] At the World Fair of 1873 in Vienna, Hebron was represented with glass ornaments. A report from the French consul in 1886 suggests that glass-making remained an important source of income for Hebron: Four factories were making 60,000 francs yearly.[93]

The Jewish community was under French protection until 1914. Hebron was highly conservative in its religious outlook, with a strong tradition of hostility to Jews.[94]

[edit] British rule
The British occupied Hebron on 8 December 1917. Later, this was sanctioned as a part of the British Mandate of Palestine. The Palestinian Arab decision to boycott the 1923 elections for a Palestinian Legislative Council was made at the fifth Palestinian Congress, at which most of the Palestinian Arab political organisations were represented. It was reported by Murshid Shahin (a pro-zionist activist) that there was intense resistance in Hebron to the elections.[95] At this time, following attempts by the Lithuanian government to draft yeshiva students into the army, the famed[who?] Lithuanian Knesses Yisroel, relocated, after consultations between Rabbi Nosson Tzvi Finkel, Yechezkel Sarna and Moshe Mordechai Epstein, to Hebron.[96][97][98] The majority of the Jewish population lived on the outskirts of Hebron along the roads to Be'ersheba and Jerusalem, renting homes owned by Arabs, a number of which were built for the express purpose of housing Jewish tenants, with a few dozen within the city around the synagogues.[99] In the 1929 Hebron massacre, Arab rioters killed 67 Jews and wounded 60, and Jewish homes and synagogues were ransacked; 435 Jews survived by virtue of the shelter and assistance offered them by their Arab neighbours, who hid them.[100][101] Two years later, 35 families moved back into the ruins of the Jewish quarter, but on the eve of the Palestinian Arab national revolt (April, 1936,) the British Government decided to move the Jewish community out of Hebron as a precautionary measure to secure its safety. The sole exception was Ya'akov ben Shalom Ezra, who processed dairy products in the city, and resided in the city on weekdays. In November 1947, in anticipation of the UN partition vote, the Ezra family closed its shop and left the city.[102]"

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 05:05 PM

More "peaceful protests" from Gaza...


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Rocket, six mortars hit southern Israel
Sep 15 09:13 AM US/Eastern

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A view shows a smoke trail from a rocket launched from the Gaza Strip towar...

A Qassam rocket and six mortar rounds hit southern Israel on Wednesday morning, the Israeli military said, with the rocket landing near the southern Israeli port city of Ashkelon.
A military spokeswoman said the Qassam had slammed into an open area just south of the city at around 1:30 am (2330 GMT), after which six mortar bombs landed in open areas near Gaza's northeastern border with Israel.

"None of them caused any injury or damage," she said, indicating that 12 projectiles have been fired into southern Israel since Sunday morning. So far, no one has been hurt.

Israel police also confirmed that a rocket had landed near Ashkelon. "It exploded in a field without causing any injuries or damage," police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld told AFP.

The flurry of rocket and mortar fire came as US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton prepared to meet the Israeli and Palestinian leaders in Jerusalem to advance peace talks.

It follows months of relative calm since Israel's devastating offensive against Gaza at the turn of 2008-9, which it said was aimed at stamping out rocket fire from the territory.

The conflict cost the lives of 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis.

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 09:03 PM

"The conflict cost the lives of 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis"

And you still don't get it?

Subject: RE: BS: New Palestinian atrocity- Preg. woman
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 10:44 PM

I love how anti-Palestinian self-appointed pundits love to "remind" us that Hamas aren't nice guys, as if people who speak up for the rights and well-being of the Palestinians thought they were. The not-getting-it runs very deep.