Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: Joy Bennett
Date: 03 Apr 01 - 10:35 AM

Hi Jan - the second I read the first line of your last posting I knew who you were -- didn't realize before that though!!! Hope all is well with you -- I fired off an email to you earlier --take good care

Joy

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: Joy Bennett
Date: 03 Apr 01 - 10:37 AM

Hi Nutty -- check your personal messages -- I fired one off to you yesterday -- don't know how often you log on --

joy

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: GUEST,redraike
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 05:33 PM

So...
I've been looking for the midi of this song to translate it into another format so I can play it in a different program. The ABC file is helpful but not manipulateable.

Jeri - do you still have the midi file link? It's been 17 years...omg...@!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 05:55 PM

17-ish years later? No, I don't have the midi. I don't have a program that can make midis. The abc file is up there, if that's any help.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 07:03 PM

Have looked at the ABC and done a conversion to notation: the notes look about right compared to how I have heard it sung, but the note lengths and therefore timing is not as I know it. Will have a crack at scoring it myself, but I think it's mainly in 3/4, not 4/4 as the first 2 notes of many bars are quavers and not crotchets! (Tho' not waltzy as there are also some longer held notes!)

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 11:17 AM

Found this version on YouTube: sung in pretty free time: I think the "free timing" fits with what Nutty and Radriano were saying back in March 2001, and it would be difficult to pin it down to a definite meter in a written score: therefore best learned aurally and sung unaccompanied, as I have always heard it.
When All Men Sing

I also found the Johnny Collins version on his MySpace page but couldn't get it to play.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: severed-head
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 03:38 AM

Johnny Collins - When All Men Sing

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: Leadfingers
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 04:35 AM

There was a mention of a Malcolm Austen rewrite a way up this thread

The rewrite ( Then All Men Sing ) came about after a discussion on long sings at well attended singarounds , and is one verse shorter than the ( undeniably excellent ) original and is well up to Malcolm's usual standard

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 04:39 AM

It is a lovely song and I am happy to have met both Scowie and Gif when they were regulars at Swinton Folk Club.

Jeri, do you sing it now?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 08:16 AM

I sometimes get to the sea music sing in Dover, NH (formerly at the Press Room), but I haven't done this song in ages - for no reason other than I don't go places where I could sing it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: GUEST,Tatterfoal
Date: 20 Oct 18 - 03:52 AM

Could I ask Dave the gnome if Scowie and Gif would allow performance of this song by a male voice choir using transcribed sheet music?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: Gozz
Date: 20 Oct 18 - 05:26 AM

Tatterfoal,

I suggest you contact Giff via his website and ask him directly.

http://www.derekgifford.co.uk/

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: GUEST,Tatterfoal
Date: 20 Oct 18 - 06:25 AM

Thanks will do.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 20 Oct 18 - 02:58 PM

Derek turned up unannounced at our pub session one evening, and borrowed my guitar. Same guitar Will Fly once tried. I'm still chuffed.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 19 - 07:01 AM

Have posted this on another thread, but will also post here. Does anyone have the lyrics to Malcolm Austen's parody of this song?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: GUEST,Guest Tim
Date: 19 Oct 19 - 01:17 AM

In my opinion there are some songs that do not deserve to be parodied, this being one of them.
Others may have different opinions

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 19 - 03:36 AM

Sorry Tatterfoal. Only just seen your question. A year late!

I left Swinton some years back and rarely get there now. I suggest, as someone did a year back, that you contact Gif directly. If you have not done so already!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 20 Oct 19 - 10:58 AM

Makes sense to finally combine the two unwieldy threads - can this be done, Max/Joe?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 03:19 PM

Another iteration:

https://miguelheatwole.bandcamp.com/track/when-all-men-sing