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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Ebbie Date: 10 Oct 10 - 12:57 AM Neither Canada nor Alaska got what they could have wished for out of the boundary disputes. Alaskans bitterly resent the need to go through a foreign country to get from one part of Alaska to another part of Alaska. Skagway is just 15 miles from the Canada border- if you have a criminal record they won't let you through and if you are carrying firearms in your vehicle you can't go through and for such a hunting land as Alaska is that is a pain. I met a couple of men in Juneau who had taken the state ferry up the coast to Juneau, where they became stalled. One of the men had a criminal record and knew he couldn't go with his friend through Canada; he didn't have the money to fly to Anchorage so they were waiting for the ferry that travels through the Gulf of Alaska- which it did every two weeks. As for the Malaspina/Ketchikan hostage taking incident, Canada got off lightly on that one. When it comes down to it, those fisherman engaged in an act of war. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: olddude Date: 09 Oct 10 - 06:44 PM So I go salmon fishing with my buddie Red , this was back in the 70's. Red casts his lure in the river loaded with salmon .. it was a pretty large river and had fishermen on both sides. One of Red's cast landed all the way on the other side of the river and snaged on the bank . I didn't know this until I came walking down and heard Red cussin out this guy and chucking rocks at him. I guess when he got his lure stuck he asked the guy for a little help. The guy said, sure and took out his nail clippers sniped off Red's lure and stuck it in his own pocket ... Red was so pissed LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: gnu Date: 09 Oct 10 - 06:29 PM It was windy. I couldn't chuck a fly very well. But, I was between Tom and Ted at Grey Rapids, Main Sou'west Miramichi, both famous fly fishermen. They were whippin out line and I tried my best. At one point, I could here the gust of wind in the trees upstream... I knew it was comin... but I needed one more cast to get a respectable cast and I went for it. I lost. The last 15 feet wrapped around my head at a million miles an hour and the fly smacked me in the forehead so hard it left a mark. Me buddies joked they could tell it was a Green Machine fly. Tom said, "Good thing that didn't hit you in the eye." Ted said, "I used to wear my ballcap low when I did something that fucking stupid." Yeah, Ted was, ahhh, "blunt and to the point". He could cast a fly better than he could bat. A joy to watch. Fact is, when he was on that pool, many peeps would stop fishing and just watch. He owned the land across the river shown in my member's photo of me casting on that pool. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Ed T Date: 09 Oct 10 - 03:57 PM Sort of salmon related historic article: THE ALASKA-CANADA BOUNDARY DISPUTE(S) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Ed T Date: 09 Oct 10 - 03:43 PM A woman goes into Wal-Mart to buy a rod and reel to go salmon fishing. She doesn't know which one to get so she just grabs one and goes over to the register. There is a Wal- Mart "associate" standing there with dark shades on. She says, "Excuse me sir...can you tell me anything about this rod and reel?" He says, "Ma'am I'm blind but if you will drop it on the counter I can tell you everything you need to know about it from the sound that it makes." She didn't believe him, but dropped it on the counter anyway. He said, "That's a 6' graphite rod with a Zebco 202 reel and 10 lb. test line...It's a good all around rod and reel and it's $20.00". She says, "That's amazing that you can tell all that just by the sound of it dropping on the counter. I think it's what I'm looking for so I'll take it." He walks behind the counter to the register, and in the meantime the woman breaks wind big-time. At first she is embarrassed but then realizes that there is no way he could tell it was her...being blind he wouldn't know that she was the only person around. He rings up the sale and says, "That will be $25.50." She says, "But didn't you say it was $20.00?" He says, "Yes ma'am, the rod and reel is $20.00, the duck call is $3.00, and the catfish stink bait is $2.50." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Desert Dancer Date: 09 Oct 10 - 02:18 PM typos? and here's me thinkin' it was patois. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: gnu Date: 09 Oct 10 - 01:33 PM Beautiful. Thanks DD... for the link and the compliment. Oh, and sorry for all the typos. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Desert Dancer Date: 09 Oct 10 - 01:09 PM getting here late... Here's Jennie G's salmon. Gnu, thanks for that 05 Oct 10 - 04:11 PM fishtale! There's been some research on the quantity and value of salmon nutrients to the surrounding northwest forest from bits dropped by animals before and after eating. :-) ~ Becky in Long Beach |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Crowhugger Date: 08 Oct 10 - 07:33 PM That's true--one way the dead fish serve the cycle is that during spring thaw the nutrients from sunken, rotted carcasses may get scraped off creek bottoms along with silt etc. by ice chunks and then sluiced over nearby low lands. I found it to be most impressive and frightening to watch over a few days, usually late in March in the creeks around here. Once humans build a dam to control flooding, this nutrient replacement system vanishes completely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:14 AM Any salmon that aren't caught on their way 'home' or that are not collected by eagles, bears, ravens and seagulls in the stream will die in the same water in which they spawned - and in which they themselves were spawned some years before. You'll see salmon bodies littering the banks of the rivers or crumpled behind boulders or rotting where they were dropped by the replete bears. It is not in any sense a waste because the elements are released into the water and will feed the fry in time to come. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Crowhugger Date: 07 Oct 10 - 11:37 PM That answers a lot, olddude...I think they probably snag the salmon with a net when they're jumping the shallow parts (4"-6" deep in places) but I couldn't say what's legal or when, I haven't fished since I was a kid going with my dad. Certainly people fish for trout but I don't know the season. I wonder if this year the salmon run doesn't mesh with the usual trout dates, because I haven't seen fishermen yet, just salmon jumping their way upstream. My dad's dead now but his best friend loves fishing as much as you do I think! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: olddude Date: 07 Oct 10 - 07:35 PM Mg, LOVE IT !!! Thank you |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: GUEST,mg Date: 07 Oct 10 - 07:14 PM Well aren't you guys in luck because here is an authentic Fisherman from Way Back aka Deckman singing a little song I wrote..Bring the salmon home.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tkgKqoA-nc Handsome man with a guitar There are a few more verses if anyone wants them. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: olddude Date: 07 Oct 10 - 05:44 PM Not a typical practice to leave them at all, depends on how long they are in the creek, if they are there for more than a day or so they just won't eat so you can't catch them cause they won't bite. Some guys snag them and that is legal in some places but not in my county. The salmon are followed up by the big rainbow trout, they come up to feed on the roe ... so what happens is you get a mix, I normally will get salmon and then several huge rainbow trout on a streamer fly or lure. Depends if I use my fly rod or spinning outfit. In any case I always keep the roe for bait for other fish. Yup it is the best bait for trout in the spring you can get ... We make what is called egg sacks. You preserve the roe in borax, scoop some in some cheese cloth and tie it into a small fingernail size bait. works great. Every bait shop sells it but it is very expensive so fisherman make their own. I have a friend that makes caviaer (sp) out of salmon eggs. yuk not for me . For salmon only the best place is right at the mouth of the creek, they will bite and they are fresh. In the creek they will bite for a day then just go on with their business of making baby fish . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Crowhugger Date: 07 Oct 10 - 05:32 PM Yup they're running up Duffins Creek from Lake Ontario too, usually lasts about 2 weeks. I wouldn't eat them though, they're pretty well spent, better to stick to taking pictures. Someone told me that folks who fish that creek use salmon roe as bait for other fish (I dunno, bass or trout maybe?) and leave the rest to rot on the shore--is that typical practice? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: gnu Date: 07 Oct 10 - 04:44 PM Smoked salmon with the munchies can be downright carnivorous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Charley Noble Date: 07 Oct 10 - 04:37 PM I hear tell that some folks even smoke salmon. How they do that? Do they grind 'em up first and then stuff 'em into a pipe and tamp 'em all down? Love to see some Coho smoke rings! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: ClaireBear Date: 07 Oct 10 - 12:20 PM Hey, I did some salmon art once! Brined with brown sugar, salt, allspice, bay and ginger; brushed with honey; and then smoked over applewood, wild salmon is beyond wonderful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting Date: 07 Oct 10 - 11:46 AM By the time they get to the making love part, gnu, most of the salmon are so bedraggled only their mothers and mates could love them. Get 'em while they're still bright. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: frogprince Date: 07 Oct 10 - 11:27 AM Dan, I hope you let them make luv one last time before you take 'em home and smoke 'em. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: olddude Date: 07 Oct 10 - 11:15 AM Ok, shushhhhh, very quitely, I have this secret stream. While all the guys are shoulder to shoulder on the big creek fighting for a spot to fish. I go to this creek that has 2 decent holes in it and about 3 inches of water up to them ... people don't think they can go up that creek ... ahhhh wrong ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting Date: 07 Oct 10 - 11:07 AM Salmon don't run- they leap |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Oct 10 - 01:37 AM I finished smoking a small batch of fish, and now that I and everything I'm wearing smells like alder smoke, I'll hit the shower before bed. Tomorrow the fish will get wrapped and frozen so they're ready for the kids are here for a visit. They are both away at school right now, but will be back over the holidays, and they love smoked salmon (this was the more affordable coho, at $10 a pound at the local high-end market. I can't afford to smoke the $35 a pound King salmon. . . ) SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: JennieG Date: 07 Oct 10 - 01:19 AM Fish art........ Cheers again JennieG still slavering at the thought of maple glazed salmon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: JennieG Date: 07 Oct 10 - 01:14 AM Maple glazed salmon....yummmm.... Cheers JennieG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting Date: 07 Oct 10 - 01:08 AM Preciousssssss |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: olddude Date: 06 Oct 10 - 07:38 PM Oh yea I got my smoker ready, I usually do a couple for my old uncle who lights a candle in church when I do that for him. Gotta do one for frog prince ... first I gotta catch some, this weekend oh yes you will be mine oh yes ... catch ten, keep two ... I will |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: open mike Date: 06 Oct 10 - 06:26 PM ♫ music: Where the coho flash silver, all over the bay.....♫ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: GUEST,mg Date: 06 Oct 10 - 02:16 PM people here swear by smoking the chum salmon..mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: olddude Date: 06 Oct 10 - 02:07 PM Some of them must wear their new nike running shoes or something cause they move pretty darn quick ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: gnu Date: 06 Oct 10 - 01:43 PM Yeah... them thar sPacific Salmons is just plain stunned as me arse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Ernest Date: 06 Oct 10 - 01:40 PM Yes, but what happens to them when they have reached their destination, Ebbie? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting Date: 06 Oct 10 - 12:34 PM The salmon runs [are] very strong in Alaska, Ernest. So they must be healthy. We have to look to other causes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Ernest Date: 06 Oct 10 - 02:00 AM In the end the fate of the salmon shows that running is very bad or one`s health. ;0) Ernest |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: catspaw49 Date: 06 Oct 10 - 01:31 AM So how fast do they do the hundred? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting Date: 06 Oct 10 - 12:38 AM Good lord, she says, startled. Your salmon are different. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: frogprince Date: 05 Oct 10 - 10:50 PM If the salmon get tired of running, they just stand around |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting Date: 05 Oct 10 - 07:34 PM Since I haven't seen one in Juneau, I went looking online, Bill D, and found this: " In SE Alaska, Juneau to be precise, I've seen the rotted remains of several less than 20 year old geodesic dome houses. They handled the rain (80+ inches/yr) OK, but the real problems occurred from the inside out - ventilation problems are inherent in the design. Cool to look at and an interesting concept, but I think perhaps fatally flawed in execution. I'd spend some serious time researching and finding people who have owned them and talking with them about maintenance." Not too hopeful, eh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: gnu Date: 05 Oct 10 - 06:32 PM Minds me a the time me old man taught me how to get trout in a low water hole, Dan. A bit more complicated than just a net. Good story... maybe later. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: olddude Date: 05 Oct 10 - 04:14 PM A couple of years ago I walked down to the creek during the salmon run. There was a group of folks (family) standing in small fishing hole with one big arse net, they were driving the fish and then netting them ... ahhhh .. really bad idea ... as i was leaving I saw the game warden running down ... expensive dinner I bet .. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: gnu Date: 05 Oct 10 - 04:11 PM I was at da Couglhan Pool at da Grey Rapid on da Main Sou'west Miramichi an I ad me a Green Machine on. Is good but I fish all day but nutting eh? I try lots of udder flies too. So, juzz when da sun was at da treetop I say BROWN BOMBER icit la. I am tying da Bomber on an da airs stand up on my neck like dat la. I tink someone is looking at me. You know dat when you get dat eh? I look in da shadow behind da big rock and ees staring at me an ees a size eh?. I act, ow you say en Anglise, not chalent. Not at all me. So, I trow da Brown one out wit a roll cast juzzzz de udder side da rock an ees float bye easy an I drag da curl and up ees come for da roll. Again I feel da airs and I see im out da corner my eye. I wonner ees fuckin wit me eh? I do it again tree time and same ting. So, I take a real big suck on da Morgan and I spit on dat fly. I roll again an ees go for it. I wait to set but out da water ees come right at me so da line is slack an ees spit da fly at me. Tree time ee does dat. So, I tink I got a plan. I soak da Bomber in da rum and old it over da back of da rock. Ees come up and sees a drop drip off da fly and makes da jump for it and ees on! What a scrap dat!! Ees up an down da pool and out and in an down and back again. Took me a hower to bring dat fish. I was gentle me. Ees was tired. I could feel da fish wit da shakes eh? I got da hook out and held him by da tail, stroking him to calm im an make sure ees okay before I ook and let go. When I feel da fish is good to go, I take da Morgan and give him a good sip. I catch dat fish every weekend all summer. So, now, me, I never use da dry fly eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Art Thieme Date: 05 Oct 10 - 03:11 PM A salmon fly is a zipper about 3 or 4 inches long... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: gnu Date: 05 Oct 10 - 02:56 PM Seen a lad hook a fourty pounder behind the dorsal fin. I was aghast when he reached waaaay back in the back of his vest, tie it on and throw it. But, as he was my host and it was hix Argo that had brought us 30km back.... That salmon jumped about two dozen times until I said I had seen enough and wanted to get back to fishing. Buddy snapped the leader. I was a tad pissed off. Oh, I should mention... it is illegal to keep a salmon that size so he was only doing it for amusement. The lad also had a leaded truncheon. He caught the one we dashed home with, measured it, proceeded to beat the nose off it, and measured it again, announcing with a big smile, "Now it's legal." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: olddude Date: 05 Oct 10 - 02:15 PM Gnu LOL ,, yup I bet it works really well too LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: gnu Date: 05 Oct 10 - 02:02 PM HEAR tell... LH might be around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: gnu Date: 05 Oct 10 - 01:48 PM Brilliant Salmon for me. On the Mighty Miramici. From the salt waters seas. Brilliant Salmon for me. Ted Williams is gone. But the Brilliant swims on. From the salt waters seas. Brilliant Salmon for me. I can still see Ted's line. Floating in my mind. Well, you get the pic... I wish I could remember the rest (or even exactly how it went as the scanning above ain't worth a) or at least where the hell it is. I know it's within 40 feet of me because this house isn't that big. Best salmon I ever had was in NF, boiled with a salt beef dinner. I was in charge of holding the tag (through the gills) until it was in the kitchen. >;-) Dan... you ever here tell of a salmon fly called the "Silver Illegal"? Only ever heard of it in NF. It's a weighted tri-hook. >:-0 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: Bill D Date: 05 Oct 10 - 01:41 PM I have eaten wild Alaska salmon just a few miles from where Ebbie lives, and she is SO right. YUM! (This was right near the Geodesic house back in he woods, Ebbie...if it's still there.)(I have slides of it to scan if I get a scanner.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: olddude Date: 05 Oct 10 - 12:56 PM I tend to throw everything right back except those I give away .. I keep some in case folks here want em when I do get a chance to fish. Right now I am thinking build the ark, build the ark ... cold arse rain here been going strong for days ... helps the fish get up the creek but not so good for use fishermen. I know Ebbie you are right, my doc buddie goes out to Alaska and comes back with a ton and he goes nuts over them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting Date: 05 Oct 10 - 12:31 PM I'm glad you Easterners get at least an approximation of the taste of salmon, but I'm sorry you're not eating wild Alaska salmon. The difference between wild and from a hatchery is dramatic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh Yea the Salmon are Running From: open mike Date: 05 Oct 10 - 12:10 PM we have a hatchery here and record numbers of fish are swimming now. this is good news because the numbers have been so low that salmon fishing season was closed for the past few years. I'll take mine smoked or grilled with lemon and dill, please... salmon make it really difficult to be a complete vegetarian.. maybe they bite in the rain.....they are always wet anyway.. |
