BS: Is George Osborne Brainless?

Subject: RE: BS: Is George Osborne Brainless?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 10:20 AM

Everyone knows that the tories have always detested the idea of anyone getting something for nothing, this especially applies to people unfortunate enough to be claiming any form of state benefit, BUT they are well content to let their rich friends get away with not paying millions in UK taxes at the same time as persecuting benefit claimants for a few measly pounds.

The tories hate the working class and will always take any opportunity to punish them every time they are in power.


Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Is George Osborne Brainless?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 08:39 AM

Quoting from Osborne himself:

"This is a fight. We are really going to go after the welfare cheats. Frankly, a welfare cheat is no different from someone who comes up and robs you in the street."   Source New Statesman.

and referring back to my original statement:

my question is what guarantee is DWP prepared to make to ensure that those that lose benefits will not rob people in the street to make up for loss in benefits. My line comes from someone who has been mugged 5 times, one time having my face kicked.

It is all very well for those who are driven around in the chauffeur driven limos.

And my other question is what safeguards will be put in place for the children of those that have benefits stopped?

Subject: RE: BS: Is George Osborne Brainless?
From: Silas
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 05:53 AM

Hi Eric

Where do you get the idea that mtability cars are free?

Subject: RE: BS: Is George Osborne Brainless?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 05:12 AM

No, George Osborne is not brainless - he an ideologist, i.e. one who chooses to switch off parts of his brain in order to make all of his thinking conform to a narrow and restricted model of reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Is George Osborne Brainless?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 03:25 AM

Express on the subject

New Statesman

Talktalk

Please note - the £50 fine can apply to any "avoidable error". Well, as a matter of logic any error can be avoided - but benefit claimants are probably less likely to be Vulcans and so more likely to error. And I am quite sure that the benefit Gestapo will take a different view of what is "avoidable" from that taken by the ordinary, and even more different from the less able.

This is a disgusting piece of bullying. It will discourage those entitled to benefits from taking them up, and unclaimed benefits already exceed incorrectly claimed benefits by a large margin.

But more, incorrectly claimed benefits are a drop in the ocean beside tax avoidance and evasion. Do we see an equivalent attack on "avoidable errors" made by the rich? No? Well there's a surprise, isn't there?

Subject: RE: BS: Is George Osborne Brainless?
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 12:49 AM

I have just heard on the radio Osborne plans to (1) Fine claimants for making mistakes filling in forms, and (2)stop benefits for three years for those who fraudulently claim benefits.

It is the first four words of this that are the most significant. Because what follows is incorrect as points 1) & 2) are linked.

Claimants deliberately supplying false information on forms - not simply making a mistake on a form.

And 2) of course ommitted the word "repeatedly" actually stated by Osborne.

The big problem is people repeating what they heard inaccurately, what they thought they heard, what was reported as having been said as opposed to reading or listening to what actually was said.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 10:39 AM

Politicians who make solemn pledges when running for elections, and then trash them once they are elected and do things they have promised not to do should surely be classed as fraudulent claimants: "I pledge to vote against any increase in fees in the next parliament."

As for "efforts to catch ... tax cheats" the worst offenders here are at the heart of government, or bankrolling the Tory party.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 10:33 AM

Such talk leads to revolution.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 09:36 AM

On the other side of the balance sheet what will be the cost to victims of crime where this becomes the last resort of those who have no other means to sustain themselves. Will the fat cats give up the keys to their gated estates so that those who are on lower incomes don't bear the brunt of the impact of the policies?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 09:16 AM

This is a TORY government, the Lib Dems will do as they are told by their paymasters, that is their price of office.

I'm sure no one is under any illusion that under a Tory goverment it's always the poor and worse off in society that will pay.

They will let their rich banker friends get away with anything they want, Thatcher started it ' greed is good ' in fact it's probably changed now to ' greed is god '

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 09:08 AM

Steals from the poor, gives to the rich...

Stupid bitch!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: Stu
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 08:34 AM

No, he's not brainless but the's no great or original thinker either. He just could't give a toss for a large proportion of the population as he can't relate to their lives at all. He's far more interested in keeping the fat cats in their kitty litter happy than the proles looked after down there in the mud.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 08:20 AM

From aol's page...

"Repeat benefit cheats will have their welfare payments halted for up to three years as part of a tough new crackdown announced by Chancellor George Osborne.

And the Chancellor said that every wrongful claim for benefits - including avoidable errors made when filling out forms - will in future be punished by a £50 fine.

Comparing the cheats to muggers robbing taxpayers of their hard-earned money, Mr Osborne said Britain "can't afford to waste any more time" in reducing a £5 billion annual bill for fraud and error in the benefit and tax credit system.

The new crackdown, to be formally launched tomorrow, will include mobile hit squads of inspectors being sent to areas where the problem is rife. A "three-strikes-and-you're-out" rule will strip repeat offenders of benefits for up to three years.

And some 200 additional inspectors are to be recruited to a new investigation service, which will detect the patterns of fraudulent activities by looking at shared data from government offices and credit reference agencies.

Investigators will also aim to seize more of the assets of those found guilty of benefit fraud.

Mr Osborne told BBC1's Andrew Marr Show that the tough new rules were "perfectly reasonable", adding: "We have a benefits system. I want it to be on a sustainable footing for the long term, but it has to go to the people who need it, because the people who pay for it demand no less."

The Chancellor has said that bringing down the welfare bill will play a crucial role in easing the impact of state spending cuts as he tries to pay down Britain's structural deficit over the coming four years.

Fraud in the benefit and tax credit system is estimated to cost the taxpayer around £1.5 billion a year, while a further £3.5 billion is accounted for by errors by officials or claimants.

Mr Osborne told the News of the World: "This is a fight. We are really going to go after the welfare cheats."


I'm sooooooooo looking foward to them rounding up all the Wanker Bankers and the Politicians and making them pay back every single penny they've stolen from us! (yeah, right)

And today they were saying on BBC Breakfast News that politicians used to be able to claim around £86 a day for their second home expenses, even if they never lived there..but now they've brought in new rules where they can only claim up to £300 a week...

So that's OK then....sigh....

The guy speaking about it, can't remember his name, said it was a Cheat's Charter...

What a surprise, huh?

I'm off to continue making a practice Guillotine... ;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 07:51 AM

Oh damn, the post eating monster is at it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 07:51 AM

Red Hot, Little Hawk, if you don't mind...ice cold is way too good for these weasels... ;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 07:49 AM

I had to laugh out loud about this, even through my anger, because not long before I heard this, the news folk had been talking about three peers who'd fraudulently stolen hundreds of thousands of pounds from the taxpayers in the MP Claims Fiasco...They're being made to pay the money back and have been suspended for 3 months.

So that's OK then...they just get that, whilst 'the people' get 3 years of punishment?

As for this part..

"Fine claimants for making mistakes filling in forms"

He can fine me whatever he wants, I'll sue him for penalising and discriminating against people with dyslexia, because forms make my head spin, and I so often have to re-write them....I struggle to put letters into 'boxes' on forms, makes my brain go nuts..so my forms end up looking very untidy and crossed out..

The Little Hitlers are getting way above themselves.

I suggest they spend time turning in their own Tribe rather than getting Joe Public to turn in his Neighbour...

Big Society?????? My arse!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 07:47 AM

Does he react to standard stimuli?

For instance, what would he do if an ice cold poker were suddenly inserted in his rectum?

Subject: BS: Is Geoge Osborne Brainless?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 07:31 AM

I have just heard on the radio Osborne plans to (1) Fine claimants for making mistakes filling in forms, and (2)stop benefits for three years for those who fraudulently claim benefits.

I am not suggesting that benefit fraud is acceptable, but, I am surprised, (actually not surprised) that a cabinet minister is incapable of thinking through the implications of policy.

(1) From my limited mathematical skills, the amount of food that can be purchased for £0.00 is err... none. Does that mean that the Condems plan to exterminate children of benefit fraudsters?

(2) On the assumption that benefit fraudsters and there families will need some food over three years, will the Comdemns guarantee a job for every benefit fraudster, and also guarantee a job for every other person. So how will the government both cut and expand the public sector at the same time?

(3) In the event of more people turning to serious crime in order to eat, i.e. mugging, drug pushing, burglary, etc. will the condmns publish the names and addresses of their supports to be preferred crime victims?